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Your blanking

I reverted your blanking of properly cited and related information to the subject. Nihonjoe asked me to give Korean citation, so I did. If you think the variant is too much irrelevant to the subject, it could be consistent that Korokke should be blanked out from croquette so does a Japanese variant from the Korean noodle dish, Naengmyeon. If you do not agree with my assessment, feel free to open a discussion. You can also invite Nihojoe since he asked me for citation. Regards.--Caspian blue 19:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

You mean the Tonkatsu article, don't you? At first, fish is not included in katsu in Japan. Fried fish is called sakana no furai or fried xxx like aji furai/fried Carangidae. And IMHO the Korean tonkatsu is different from Japanese dish. I think it's more like Wiener Schnitzel. Because we do not pound meat to make it thin. Besides, the sause is different too. Why don't you create an article about the Korean tonkatsu? Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 02:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Variant means variant. That does not need to be identical to the Japanese classification. That case is also the same as Korokke being not identical to the cooking method and classification of the original croquette. I have no interest in creating an article on saengseon kkatseu and do not think that the subject is worthy deserving an independent article like Jajangmyeon, a variant of Chinese Zha jiang mian given the its weak popularity in contrast to gimbap in South Korea. The information is a sketchy and just mentioning a brief mention on how another country has adapted the Japanese dish. The only reason I added the citation is just because Nihonjoe asked me to do so.--Caspian blue 03:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Then how about to put the dishes in a new section "Tonkatsu outside of Japan" like the Naengmyeon article? Oda Mari (talk) 03:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
That would be a wonderful compromise.--Caspian blue 03:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


I expect there's probably something I've missed, but what was the reason for this revert? It was a pretty legitimate edit. I've undid your revert, but if there's a good reason, I have no objections to your undo-undoing, Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 15:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out my mistake. No excuse. It was one of my simple and stupid mistakes. Sorry, but I'm not perfect. Best Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 17:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I understand completely. Well, thanks for clearing that up, and Merry Christmas! Lord Spongefrog, (I am the Czar of all Russias!) 17:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


commons:User talk:Elcobbola#Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Amagi class battlecruiser/archive1; have you gotten in touch with them yet? Many thanks, —Ed (talkcontribs) 21:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Ed! I posted a message and some additional information there yesterday. Check it out! Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 02:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


Can we have your opinion on both the terminology question and image question, in the last section of Talk:Bokeh? Dicklyon (talk) 23:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


-Risa Sekiguchi (talk) 17:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC) Oda Mari, thank you for your comments regarding adding links to the Japanese Cuisine, Japanese Ingredients, and Japanese Tableware pages. However, I wonder if you had a chance to review the website and compare it to the others listed? Savory Japan is no more of a soapbox than "Just Hungry." I respectfully ask that you please reconsider the link. Thank you very much for your consideration.

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Oda Mari, thank you very much for your efforts to successfully verify that those photos are PD. Much appreciated. Cla68 (talk) 06:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I'm glad I could help. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Oda Mari, thank you so much for the effort on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Amagi class battlecruiser/archive1; your diligence is appreciated! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, a thanks from me too. No, more than one thanks from me. :-) Just one question: by "The Japanese Government Agency said all the pre-war photographs are not copyrighted and are PD", did you mean all pre-war photographs or just the ones in the article? —Ed (talkcontribs) 22:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
All pre-war photographs. All of them are PD under the Japanese law. The protection period of photographs was, to be more precise, 10 years under the old law from 1899 to 1966. The law was revised in 1967 and the period was extended to 12 years. But I forgot about the US law! It's the US law which applies to the photographs at Commons, isn't it? Please see this. It looks like they are OK, but I'm not sure. The copyright issue is so complicated that my head is messed up now. Is there anything else you want me to check? Oda Mari (talk) 10:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


I am not so petty as to undo your revert (also being that you were right, it was not a consructive comment), however I would like to point out that I think you only reverted it for personal reasons, one's that are blatantly obvious. If you're going to revert things for real reasons, fine. If you're going to revert things because you happen to be Japanese, then that is fine to, but don't lie about it. By the way, while I have a deep respect for the Japanese people and culture, I must point out two things: 1. the bombings were the lesser of two evils (an invasion would have cost so many more lives on both sides, because let's face it, your leadership then did not know when it was time to give up) and 2. the revisionist history your academic institutions are teaching is appalling. Thank you and good day. (this is a public computer with a shared ip) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:51, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

You are wrong. I didn't revert "you are an idiot" for personal reason. It had nothing to do with my nationality. Other editor would have reverted the comment as vandalism. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 02:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

my removal of talk page comments

While I understand that in most situations, you should not remove talk page comments from other users' talk pages, it is however allowed to remove talk page comments that are personal attacks. The comments I removed claimed that I was a well known IP vandal, which of course I am not, so I removed them as they were a personal attack. I assume your edits were in good faith, and perhaps you did not notice the personal attacks, or you were unaware of the rules regarding removing personal attacks from user talk pages. Thanks (talk) 04:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I restored the edits, they weren't personal attacks. They addressed the IP's known behavior, not the IP person him/herself. If this IP continues with this pattern of vandalism, I recommend reporting it to WP:AIV. Cla68 (talk) 04:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
How did you find my edits to revert? Why are you talking about it here? (talk) 04:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
The reason I restored your removal is that you were not in a position to remove the content of other editor's posts on Kintetsubuffalo's talk page. IMHO, only the owner of the page, the original poster, and third-party editors can do that. If you thought the content was not appropriate nor correct, you should have posted your protest and proved yourself that you were not a vandal editor. Furthermore, as Cla68 pointed out above, they were not personal attacks. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

      • WARNING FOR REPEATED VANDALISM ON JAPANESE LANGUAGE PAGE*** —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trikemike (talkcontribs) 05:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

there is an ANI report that you may wish to comment on [1] (talk) 15:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for reverting my talk page. There's been several IP's doing that along with vandalizing Warped Tour 2009. Definitely personal attacks, most likely all the same person. I've asked for them to do a sockpuppet investigation and they refuse to. It's just getting really obnoxious at this point. One person dislikes one band that is listed and keeps removing them for no reason other than a dislike of the band. DX927 (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 05:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

East Asian age reckoning

Someone in New Mexico is adding ages at time to death to infoboxes of the Japanese Emperors. I have posted a message alerting him/her to the difficulties involved in East Asian age reckoning, but a new user may not appreciate or understand my warning:

See User talk: Asian age reckoning

If you are online, please do what you can. --Tenmei (talk) 01:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the articles, as long as the conversions of birth year and death year are correct, they look OK. Oda Mari (talk) 05:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
We each learned different things from Fg2. I had imagined my concern was reasonable in the context of Fg2's final paragraph at Talk:Tokugawa Ieyasu#Inaccuracy of dates. Your comment suggests an alternative which I had perhaps too quickly discarded.
Implicit in my thinking was an expectation that I would be the one to clean up any serial errors; but it doesn't have to play out that way. This has elements of a teachable moment which developed in unexpected ways. --Tenmei (talk) 09:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

You reverted 3 times in 24 hours

According to WP:NC-KO, there is no mention that using the "Sea of Japan (East Sea)" for a heading is prohibited as you misquoted. From what I remember, the subheading was once at Sea of Japan/East Sea just like other similar sections like Dokdo/Takeshima, so I one time reverted your edit to make consistent with the other section. However, I'm not gonna engage in your edit warring, but the "Sea of Japan naming dispute" would be actually the most accurate title. Please be reminded of WP:3RR since you've reverted 3 times on the article of Japan-Korea disputes in 24 hours. Since you have been recently violated 3RR to another article, using discussion would be safer for your own sake than just edit warring when it comes to editing very controversial topics. Regards.Caspian blue 08:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


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Simon in Sagamihara

Hi! You left a welcome message believing that Simon in Sagamihara was a new user. Anyway, I noticed this edit summary from him in response to your edit. I warned him, telling him that his edit summary was inappropriate. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Domo, domo. Thank you. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 04:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Japan-Korea disputes Third Opinion

Hi there, thanks for your response! I have copied the post you left on my talk page to the article talk page and responded there. Mildly MadTC 14:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

Thanks for the revert on my talk page. Looks like he's blocked. Cheers.  BC  talk to me wfo 01:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 04:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your kind sympathy, Oda Mari. Yes I look forward to going "pink" again. I was thinking about doing an outrageous, shocking film by Hisayasu Satō as my first article, as a sort of "revenge", but maybe I'll let it go for now... It wouldn't make me feel any better about the situation, and lots of more pleasant articles await :)... Best regards. Dekkappai (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Daiko Group

Any chance you can try to find some sources for this article? I'm having trouble finding any, and you may have access to more ways of finding them I do. It's currently up for deletion, so any help is greatly appreciated. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I tried, but I could find only this one. IMHO, since their business is a kind of background work, they are not covered by the media. Oda Mari (talk) 15:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Would you mind summarizing that article for me? It has too many business terms I don't understand. I appreciate your help. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Also, would any of these be useful as references? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Though Daiko is translated as Daxing, I think this G translation is not bad. Ask me if there are sentences difficult to understand. The company's site is here. As for the link you provided, they are all job information page links. Oda Mari (talk) 04:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Your POV deletion

I reverted your massive deletion without proper rationale on the properly sourced material to Kofun period. Such the "unexplained edit" labeling mostly applies for "unexplained blanking", not for additions of contents with academic sources. You can guide the editor Objectiveye (talk · contribs) in dispute with you, to use proper "edit summary", but that does not excuse for your wholesale deletion of the material for your POV. The article is already heavily biased for Japanese POV with a lot of primary sources. Since you're an established editor, I don't give a template warning like I gave it to some newbie today, but you should've behaved better than that. If you want to contest the edit, you're all free to open a discussion at the talk page and invited the said user. Good luck.--Caspian blue 18:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Goju ryu

I read your comments on the external links you deleted from the goju ryu page. There are several issues to discuss about those links. First of all, they do not convert the wikipedia in a repository of links since those two links you deleted were carefully selected by editors after some consideration. It would be nice to know why you replace them with links to some particular organizations. Specific Goju ryu organizations have their own section in the article; you can find it under "Branches of Gōjū-ryū Karate" at the tab on the bottom side of the page. So if links to specific organizations have a different place, then the purpose of the "informative links section" (or "external links section", as you call it) should be discussed before further editing. Please check the discussion page of the article. I will present the issue for editors to discuss. I will also delete the whole section until we reach an agreement. Alfredo elejalde (talk) 10:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Daiko Group

I have moved this article to User:Nihonjoe/Daiko Group to allow more time to find reliable sources. I'm positive that a company that's this large has to have some other references in magazines or newspapers which do not have online archives. If you can look around, call or email the company to ask if they have a list of any such articles, etc., that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

As it's a new year holidays, I'll call them after お正月. Oda Mari (talk) 05:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I sent the company an e-mail on Jan.3 or 4, but there's no reply so far. Please wait for a while, 穣. If they wouldn't reply, I'll call them. Oda Mari (talk) 10:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate your help. お返事を待ちしております。···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I called them yesterday. Unfortunately they didn't have any information about the media coverage on them. They said the reason that there were few coverage was their business was not conspicuous. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 04:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing a Japanese article well

Mari, I'm sporadically working on the draft for an entirely new article in ja:WP. This is going very slowly because my ability in writing Japanese is atrocious but also because I realize that I'm very unfamiliar with ja:WP.

One question: I'll have many notes citing online sources. For en:WP, for each one I'd probably say something like

Accessed 2010-01-09.

Amazingly few Japanese articles cite any online sources. And even WP:出典を明記する pays it cursory attention, not (as far as I notice) mentioning the access date. What do you suggest? 「2010年01月09日に言葉。」, I suppose, but what's the best word? (「アクセスした」?) -- Hoary (talk) 14:30, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Hoary! Here is the page you needed. They use "閲覧"/etsuran for accessed. Something like "2010-01-09 閲覧。" I think their templates should help you. Writing in English is sometimes a kind of torture to me. Happy translating! Oda Mari (talk) 14:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll use 「閲覧」, which I do now vaguely remember having seen somewhere. Isn't ja:WP terrible? A featured article can show signs of near complete dependence on a single published book (read by a single editor?), while other articles can be virtually reference free and still look far better than average. The only articles I see there that appear to have been put together with loving (or anyway obsessed) care are those on transportation and the like; I suppose that ja:WP, like en:WP, is a refuge for editors with Asperger syndrome. ¶ One thing I loathe more than "writing" in Japanese is actually (hand-) writing in Japanese, which I have to do for the few 年賀状 I force myself to write. There are loads of kanji that I recognize but about which I'm uncertain. So I resort to methods such as typing out my message and transcribing it from the screen by hand. Ugh. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC) ... amended Hoary (talk) 07:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
BTW, do you think this belongs to the article? It seems to me that's only 風俗. Someone pointed it out too. Oda Mari (talk) 15:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I really don't know. This is something that can be discussed intelligently among thinking adults. The objection you point to looks more like that of an affronted prude. ¶ It's certainly an odd article, and in various ways, among them: (i) its first item is ostensibly "Japanese language" (only "cultural" if "culture" has a broad sense), of which half is devoted to orthographic and other cultural aspects; (ii) there's not the slightest allusion to the work of any of these people. All in all it looks like something inspired by national PR at its staidest -- as I write, I have in front of me a copy of Kimono: Japanese Dress, vol. 13 of the "Tourist Library" published in the thirties by 國際観光協會 -- to which somebody has made a rather irreverent addition. (Irreverent but not irrelevant. This is after all the culture of the nation that has given the world such writers as Ihara Saikaku, Saitō Sanki and Nagai Kafū.) I find the irreverence rather attractive. (I wonder which aspects of Japanese culture our learned friend Dekka might add to this article.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I was hoping for an invitation to this discussion. Believe it or not, I tend to agree with the affronted prude. Obviously, I'm all in favor of covering every delicious, salacious detail of 風俗 life, but in a general "Culture of Japan" article-- supposedly covering, what? a couple millennia, and all aspects of culture-- it's a bit too trivial, isn't it? I took a glance at the "Korean culture" article and saw nothing similar there, and they've got a pretty active night-life too. (I had the pleasure of being introduced to their "Room salons" and "Hostess bar" culture by my future brother-in-law, a sweetheart of a guy if ever there was one :) I doubt I'd find similar things in articles on the culture of other countries... For "Culture of Japan", maybe just a brief passing mention of contemporary night-life, which would link on to a main article which covered the subject fully? It's not an article I'm going to be working on though, so I'll keep my nose out of it there, and I see it's been removed anyway... What aspects would I add? I see a nothing on any of my favorite ぽっちゃり ladies... Feel free to research them and add them for me, Hoary, and I'll go add a paragraph on Russ Meyer to the article on my own culture... and, glancing at that article, I'd be much happier presenting one of Meyer's images of Uschi Digard to represent the pinnacle of US culture than the current image of flag-wavers... but that one may be more accurate... and I digress, as usual... what were we talking about?... Dekkappai (talk) 04:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
To Hoary. Yes, it's terrible. Not entirely reliable though, but it is helpful when you want to know something quickly. Oh, writing kanji is difficult even for most native speakers. As for me, choice of appropriate kanji is not the matter. I simply cannot remember the structure/detail to write it like English spelling.
Hi and welcome here, Dekkappai! I'm glad to see the section was removed. The problem was the definition of "culture" and what it is and what is not. I thought the section was not, but custom. Because the profession doesn't need any training nor special skills. If there's something to add, it would be geisha. I think there should be other things, I can't think of what they are right now though, to add to the article, if that removed section should be restored. Mmm, probably Japanese tea ceremony. My friends, go ahead and expand Russ Meyer. Dekkappai, I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm not a pocchari type. More like Meiko Kaji. Oda Mari (talk) 06:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Oda Mari. Right-- I don't think there is anything wrong with covering the subject, I just don't think that particular article is the place for it, especially as an entire section... I didn't look at the article in detail, but, as a music person, I noticed the music section looks awfully weak-- no real coverage of traditional classical music, which should be the main emphasis in an article like this. (One of the downfalls of the Wiki-structure is that current, pop-culture gets the main coverage.)... Actually I've been thinking about working on the Meyer film articles. I was lucky enough to see most of those with him in attendance, to introduce them. Maybe the upcoming "drama-out" will give me a chance for that. I'm planning on doing the Zatoichi & Torasan series under my non-fuuzoku alias... Oh, and there's nothing at all wrong with Meiko Kaji! (I'm perfectly happy with my pocchari gal though :) Dekkappai (talk) 07:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Your reverts

Two sentences were originally unreferenced and Sir Edgar added the new material. If you want to be consistent with your own logic you should've either blanked out the unreferenced sentences together or left them together since the old and new sentences were all unreferenced. Phoenix7777's addition of "ref name" only cover "one sentence" to the [citation needed]. That's why your reverts look like you selectively blanked out the new addition. I did not say that you blindly revert the articles. Please carefully read my edit summary again. Regards.--Caspian blue 06:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to add "carefully check the source" in the edit summary due to the limited space, so I apologize for that part. However, I stand by my comment above since the selective removal of the unreferenced one does not look consistent. I don't mind the two unreferenced sentences are taken out all together but I think that info can be verified soon by anyone.--Caspian blue 07:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Korea under Japanese rule

Oda Mari, regarding the above article, may I kindly suggest that you read this blog?

I don't normally suggest blogs for reference, but as you may know there is a dearth of information on pre-colonial Korea on the Internet. It provides a good argument as to why it is highly likely that Korea would have developed into a modern and industrialized society on its own. It also dismisses the argument of the Japan apologists regarding Japan's role in Korea's modernization.

Anyhow, I don't understand how anyone can argue that Japanese colonization of Korea was actually good for Koreans... Please don't tell me you honestly believe this?

Thanks for your attention.--Sir Edgar (talk) 13:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


さて、いかが思いますか。 -- 宝離 15:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow! すごい。Excellent job! I could find no major fault. But do you mind if I'd do some copyedit? Oda Mari (talk) 05:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
On the contrary, I expect that it needs copyediting and I'd be delighted if you'd do some. Indeed, the more copyediting the better. Of course I hope it's as good as possible; this is one reason why I welcome copyediting. As for the other reason: Because I read and write Japanese slowly, I don't relish being drawn into discussions (of course in Japanese) about it at ja:WP. So the closer it is to perfection when it first appears as an article, the more confident I'll be that nobody's going to badger me with questions, and the happier I'll be. ¶ It's an extremely boring article, so the fact that I've never seen anything quite like it at ja:WP is not necessarily a criticism of ja:WP. ¶ Once it's up, it would be good to link to it from the article about his wife. ¶ If you'd like an additional chuckle, look at the edit history of "my" article and click on one or two of the versions made a day or more ago. -- Hoary (talk) 06:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
One likely question is about the pronunciation of his name. Note that I have the katakana form ending ンス but the pronunciation (in IPA) ending [nz]. I chose ンス because it's the form that's universally used, e.g. (a) for the Japanese translation of his Aghanistan book and (b) by Magnum. And I chose [nz], because, as a native speaker of English, I know that it's right. And I decided to stick the IPA there in order to do my little bit to counter pronunciation myth among readers of Japanese. -- Hoary (talk) 07:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I did some copyediting. As for his name, his wife uses パーキンス and most of the Perkins related articles use パーキンス. パーキンズ is only 52. So, even though it's not actually correct, パーキンス would be fine. Oda Mari (talk) 10:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you!
Edit conflict: I'll look at your edits an hour or so from now. (Dinner's just ready!) Meanwhile. . . .
At least with the little computer I'm using now, the footnote-indexing looks very odd. In English it would be:
. . . sentence ends.[1] Sentence starts. . . .
In Japanese I have:
. . . 文が終わる。[1]文が始まる. . . .
This looks to me as if the note applies not to the sentence that's just finished but instead to the one that's about to start. Maybe I'd better use:
. . . 文が終わる。[1] 文が始まる. . . .
I could stomach putting in all these changes, but not if doing so breaks some rule and it will later all be reverted. Presumably today's featured article meets their standards; it's 岡部幸雄, which uses:
. . . 文が終わる[1]。文が始まる. . . .
Well, that's OK too. But I'd also have to use notes within ローマ字 in the same article, and there I'm not so keen on:
. . . sentence ends[1]. Sentence starts. . . .
Any comments?

footnote dump:

  1. ^ a b c d e This is a dummy note
-- Hoary (talk) 10:19, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
サンタ・マリア・デル・フィオーレ大聖堂 is a featured article with a total of six (!) footnotes. And for these too, the number precedes the 読点. So I'll change this draft accordingly. - Hoary (talk) 13:49, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm one of the least qualified people within a one-kilometre radius of where I now sit to judge the quality of the copyeditor's edits. Hoever, almost all of them do look good to me. Thank you! Just one little point: you talk of a 長期滞在 in Bangladesh. Pretty obviously it would indeed be 長期滞在 by the standards of Japanese package tours or CNN reporting, but I haven't read (or don't remember having read) about the duration. Did you read something that I've forgotten about? -- Hoary (talk) 11:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I found it here on line 3, saying "1973年にバングラディッシュを長期取材するが..." Is it an excessive interpretation? Oda Mari (talk) 13:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
As I've said, I don't remember reading that it was a long time. -- Hoary (talk) 13:49, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

The article's up. -- Hoary (talk) 01:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations! I found nothing wrong with the article. But if anyone asks something, I'll take care of it. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 04:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Of course I'll keep an eye on it myself. Energy permitting, I might also try to add material to bring its content up to that of the English-language version. -- Hoary (talk) 05:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Composer's name

Hi Oda Mari. My alter-ego Otis has finished starting stubs for the Tora-san series, but now I'll ask a question I should have asked before starting them... The series composer's name (山本直純) is given at allcinema as "やまもと・なやずみ",[2] but English sources say "Naozumi Yamamoto"[3], [4]. Who's right? (I used allcinema, since it's a Japanese source, and more likely to be correct.)... ah, now I see JA-Wiki gives "やまもと なおずみ".[5]... looks like Otis has some correcting to do... Right? Dekkappai (talk) 18:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dekkappai! It's なおずみ. 直 never reads as なや. なやずみ is a typo. Oda Mari (talk) 04:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Oda Mari. I had never heard of "直 - naya", but then there are always "spelling" exceptions I don't know about. Have you ever heard the English spelling-joke? "Ghoti" pronounced "fish"? ("gh" from "enough", "o" from "women", "ti" from "emotion") ;-) Dekkappai (talk) 05:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
My pleasure. You are always welcome. English spelling itself is a nightmare to me. And "spelling exceptions"! There are too many in English. I didn't know the joke. It's funny. But actually it's not a laughing matter to a non-native speaker. Keep warm and happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 06:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Dekkappai, I e-mailed allcinema and pointed out the typo yesterday. They corrected it. Check out the link. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 04:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Great! I've seen other mistakes like this at allcinema-- I'll be sure to ask you next time. Happy editing! Dekkappai (talk) 05:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of German-Japanese relations

Hi there. Over the past weeks I majorly expanded the article on German-Japanese relations and really need people to go scan my contributions. I want to set a high quality standard since I'd love to have it featured some day. I'd really appreciate your participation on its nomination for a Good Article at Talk:German–Japanese relations. Thanks in advance! --Gliese876 (talk) 11:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


The previous Vank page edited by abusive sock accnt, and POV edits.Prickily catcus [6]660gd4qo (talk) 04:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I see. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 04:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
But I think the neutrality of the article is still in question. Oda Mari (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


For adding the internal link to the Sea Shepherd operations/detainment. I missed it. Oberonfitch (talk) 05:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Removal of 'spam' link.

As far as I can see those were just advertisements that are automatically generated by Google and thus occasionally as with even newspaper sites odd advertisements appear - for example the Guardian website since the first page has a dating service. If we are going to start prudishly removing links because occasionally ads produce 'inappropriate' text then we may as well remove links to every site that has any sort of ads. I certainly have never seen a 'meet Japanese ladies' link on that site when I've visited. I'm not sure how the Google algorithm works for producing ads, but it perhaps depends on your general surfing habits, and is thus independent of the site itself.

If you type, "Kanji Romaji" into Google it is the first link:

and it has around about 2,000 fans on Facebook alone (just look at the comments to see how much I and others appreciate that tool), so it seems to me absurd to remove a link to a free resource that converts Kanji to Romaji - a huge challenge no doubt and a useful resource. Especially, as that link has been on that page for at least 6 years.

And I disagree that this is a 'personal website'. 'Personal' does not mean 'created by an individual', and thus I don't see that link going against any of the guidelines mentioned. (talk) 15:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Did you really read Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided thoroughly? #11 says "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies.)" Isn't that the site a personal web page? I think it's a site built by Gary Ross. As for the advert, it's strange and funny. Because I am a Japanese woman. If you do not like the removal of the site, use talk page and ask for consensus, And please do not remove your previous post, I won't restore it though. Oda Mari (talk) 15:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
"personal web pages". You are defining a personal website as one that happens to be build by an individual, but that's not what 'personal website' means anymore than say Bob Dylan is a personal musician as opposed to say the Rolling Stones. A personal website is one that is promoting a personal viewpoint etc. Looking at the notes to J-Talk it is powered by chasen which is the University of Nara - thus is it no longer an personal website? The point here is that 'personal' and 'number of people involved in its construction' are in no way related. (The front page shows that it is a community too.) As for the "Japanese woman" thing, that would not be strange to me at all :-)
As for asking for consensus, surely it should be the other way round. I updated a link. It was removed. I fixed it with an explanation and it has been removed again. I don't want to get into an edit war, but as far as I can see the link should be restored as it's been there for years and years and thus already has defacto consensus. Thus I believe it should be restored and the consensus for its removal should be sought. Not consensus for putting back a useful resource that has been there for years. (talk) 16:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Akira Sugenoia

Hi, Oda Mari. Could you please help me to find the photo of this person in the title. I only know, that he (she) works (or worked) in the university in Matsumoto. This person achieved the s.c. Fransisc Scorina order (Belarus) and I am working in russian wikipedia under the list of those, who achieved it and need photos very much. I want it to become a featured list. Sorry, as I may have written japanese words incorrectly. The list is [7]SZv (talk) 21:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi! It was not difficult to find about him on the web. He is the mayor of Matsumoto city now. This is his official site and this is a message-from-mayor page of Matsumoto city. I called to the mayor's secretary and asked for a free image. But he said it would be OK if it would be only for Wikipedia, but considering the possibility of the abuse by someone, we couldn't offer any image. Sorry that I couldn't get his image. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 04:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

OK. Thanks a lot for links. I will add them as a reference and will write "Here you can see him and learn more". I think it will also not bad.SZv (talk) 07:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


Thank you very much for finding that!

Do you know if any written Japanese sources discuss the move to the utility center? I would like to have information on it at All Nippon Airways#Headquarters - Also is "Utility Center" written in katakana? I had requested a photo of the utility center on JA, so I might add that name to the request list so people will know exactly what I want a photo of.

Thank you :) WhisperToMe (talk) 08:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there's any. Because after I asked the questions, the ANA man, I have no idea what's his actual job, had to hang up for looking up the record and then he called back and gave me the answers. And he said there's no such record on their sites. Yes, he said "ユーティリティー・センター" in Japanese. It's not my translation. BTW, this is Domo kun in his new suit. According to the article, this one will be used for the PR of digitalization of NHK's BS channels. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 10:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Movie genre

Hi, Oda Mari. Do you know Yamatoya Atsushi's film 荒野のダッチワイフ (1967)? I'm starting an article on it, and I'm not sure whether to call it "pinku", and to list it in the Pink film article/templates/categories or not... allcinema calls it action/erotic. It was produced distributed by Kokuei, a major "pinku" studio, and Yamatoya did work on genuine "pinku"s and Roman Pornos... The Weisser book (one of the main English books on "pinku" includes a listing on the film, but notes it's not "technically" pinku, but it's so interesting they had to write about it... But the current main Japanese cite covering Pinku lists the DVD release [8]... So, to "pinku" or not to "pinku"? What do you think? Dekkappai (talk)

...Nevermind-- Jasper Sharp (author of the other main English book on "pinku"), outright calls it a pink film, "probably the most idiosyncratic work the genre has everproduced". I see a couple other Japanese sources call it "pink" this for example, and even the Weisser's-- though they say it's not pink-- note it it pretty closely linked to the genre... I'd say the scales tilt to "pink". Dekkappai (talk) 04:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I didn't know the movie. But it's interesting. Music by Yosuke Yamashita? Wow! And the original story was Ambrose Bierce's An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge? Was it good? BTW, the Western myth supporters have been quiet. Where did they go? Let me say thanks again for your posts on the talk page. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 05:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I haven't seen this movie, but from what I read about it, it looks very, very interesting, I hope someone releases it on DVD here eventually... I hope my comments at the discussion do some good-- I have no real knowledge of that particular genre, but what I've looked at seems to be quite at odds with what our article describes... Dekkappai (talk) 05:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I guess you know that the movie is also categorized as hardboiled. Very interesting movie, isn't it? There was a VHS version released years ago. But it seems to be very hard to get the used one today. As for the Western myth, I hope the origin and definition would be moved from the article. Oda Mari (talk) 10:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it's the inventiveness of these independent pink filmmakers that interests me as much as anything... I always feel a bit dubious about starting an article like Wife to Be Sacrificed... On the one hand, I think it's a masterpiece of exploitation/erotica/extreme cinema. On the other hand, I wonder, "Is some idiot going to think this represents the reality of a typical Japanese marriage in any way?"... Even SM-master Oniroku Dan, when he was asked if he ever thought about carrying out any of his literary/cinematic fantasies with his wife said, "No way! She would beat my ass." ;-) Dekkappai (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, Oda Mari. I've started the article at: Inflatable Sex Doll of the Wastelands. I relied a lot on English sourcing, so I'd be happy if you took a look and see if I've got anything wrong, and if you came across any good sourcing I left out. Best regards. Dekkappai (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dekkappai! Wow! I think it's wonderfully written and I couldn't find anything wrong. I searched for reliable sources but found nothing. I found these pages interesting though. Viewers' review and the ninth paragraph. As for the title, this man translated it as Dutch wife in the desert. Oh, the video is sold at Amazon. [9] and [10]. Oda Mari (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes, the title is a problem... I used the title the Weisser's gave ("Inflatable Sex Doll"), though some use a more literal "Dutch Wife"... my reasons were-- as far as I know, "Dutch Wife" is not an English term for this item. I've never heard it anyway-- it might be a British-ism. Maybe our colleague Hoary could offer input on that... "Inflatable sex doll" tells any English-speaking reader just exactly what is meant. But other writers-- Jasper Sharp, for example-- still use "Dutch Wife" because they think the Weisser article is awkward... Personally, I think Jasper Sharp-- though I like all his writings, and don't doubt his knowledge-- sometimes changes the Weisser titles for pink films just so that he can use a different title. Sometimes the Weisser titles are obviously better than his. And then, personally, I like the "Inflatable sex doll" title. Somehow it is both less obscure and more eccentric than the "Dutch Wife" variants... Anyway, I never care very much about what we call something, just as long as we're allowed to write about it :) So I won't object at all if someone wants to move it to another title... That article you link to looks especially interesting, and I'll see if I can find a way to put it into the article. Thanks as always! Dekkappai (talk) 17:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Warning error

Not entirely sure what that was doing on your page to start with. things seem to have gone astray Yesterday. Looking at it it seems you on the page at the same time so more than likley posted a warning just beofre me.--Wintonian (talk) 13:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

That was an allready blocked user who as soon as you cleaned the page would come and vandalise it again, so in the end I thought if they want to vandilise their own page so what they can't change anything else and will soon get board. Anyway I think it ended up on you page as you were the last to edit it (at the same time I was). --Wintonian (talk) 15:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Massive removal of referenced material at Ady Gil

Please discuss your recent removal of large amounts of referenced material about Peter Bethune's arrest and detention here: Thank you. Ghostofnemo (talk) 05:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


I'm not sure how to pronounce this. "Ganhi Koto Kanafu" doesn't seem quite right, but that's all I can think of...

You can find context at List of Maison Ikkoku chapters; it's a chapter title in volume 5. Any help is appreciated. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

It is negaigoto kanau in historical spelling. The convention in Japan is to render it in modern pronunciation. This is also the convention in romanization as well. If you need any historical linguistic details, feel free to ask. Bendono (talk) 01:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Aha, no wonder I didn't understand it. I'm not as good with the historical "spelling". :) ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi. 穣 and 弁殿! I edited the article. Oda Mari (talk) 02:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Cool, thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Please stop

Stop hand nuvola.svg This is the warning you will receive regarding your disruptive edits, such as those you made to Yoon Bong-Gil. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. You should not tweaking these articles on your own point of views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Oda Mari. I just poked my nose in to see what this is all about. The anon is no doubt well on the way to getting blocked, and the "Murderer" category will stick. But perhaps it's worth thinking about this: Of course a murder is a murder, but isn't an assassination a rather special type of murder? Do we categorize every General or soldier in a war as a murderer? And if an assassination is just a "murder", then why are none of the articles I've checked at Category:Japanese assassins not also included in Category:Japanese murderers? Why are John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald categorized as Category:American assassins but not Category:American murderers?... Why is, apparently, only the Korean assassin of Japanese government officials categorized as a murderer, while these others are categorized as assassins? Perhaps some nationalism is involved in the reasoning? I won't step in, because I'd probably be helping nationalism on the other side which I like no better than nationalism of any other stripe. And I see blatant nationalistic mythology spread around here on their side too, so I'll just keep out of it... But maybe this apparent inconsistency in the categorization of political assassins is something to think about? Or maybe it's not... Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 16:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dekkapppai! Oops! I didn't notice that he was already categorized as Korean assassins. I'm careless sometimes, you know. Thank you for pointing that out. I'm reverting my edit. BTW, I'm very thankful for your help on Bukkake. Without your knowledge and comments, the Western myth would not have been removed. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
No problem-- I apologize if I assigned to nationalism what was just a simple error :-) I think "Assassins" are a sub-category of "Murderers", which is probably as it should be... Glad to have been of help with the other issue! Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 18:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Sea(You don't neutral.)

Information.svg Hellow, Nice to meet you. I read your article. I think the Sea of Japan to the neutral position because you are Japanese. Don't you think? And the Sea of Japan is a neutral name. If you were in 3rd country people, which will have a neutral stance will not be known. An example of a neutral name, I mentioned South Korea's former president is a sea of peace. Please!, please!, I turn this around in the name of the Sea of Japan can not say as a neutral stance. First, why do not you wish you want a neutral position. Read NPOV now! Thank you! --Idh0854 (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Removal of referenced, relevant material at Peter Bethune article

Hello. You recently removed all the material and references regarding whaling at the Peter Bethune article. Please discuss this deletion on the article talk page here: Ghostofnemo (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

By discuss do you mean state relevant points that you choose to ignore in favor of arguing endlessly about the same thing? Because that seems to be what happens.--Terrillja talk 21:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Japanese gairaigo list edits

Would you mind justifying the removal of my addition of "lot up" and Gymnophoria's addition of "one set" from the article, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

As for your addition, it's not a standard noun. It's only a jargon used in eroge and not yet entered in Japanese dictionaries. This is inappropriate to add a word the majority of Japanese do not know. That's the reason I removed your addition. The list is incomplete and there should be a lot of more suitable words to add. Sorry, but no jargon please. As for the other editor's addition, I already explained about it on his/her talk page. Please do not restore your addition. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:35, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
BTW, the meaning of the word is inaccurate. It's not "sold out", but "end of life" Oda Mari (talk) 09:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Proper position of ja

Thanks :) Torne (talk) 16:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

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Korean Nationalism (2002 World Cup)

Hi, I saw the reverts regarding the claims of cheating in the 2002 World Cup and noticed that the text you were inserting had no citations. I have changed your text a little and added two citations, so I hope this won't get reverted again, take a look and see what you think. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! (talk) 07:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Originally it was an IP's addition. I just restored it because of the unexplained removal. But thank you for finding and adding two citations. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 15:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

A little question.

What is your opinion on this? Talk:Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Why_not_under_.22World_War_II_crimes.22_category.3F I have said that Japan officially regards the atomic bombings to be war crimes(decided as such by Ryuichi Shimoda v. The State). Thus, I have requested (and tried) to add the article to any kind of war crimes category. Unsurprisingly, I was met by resistance from others. Resistance consisting of mere personal disagreements. Not a single opposing source or reference was presented to me. Do you have any opinion to it? Perhaps any advice?--Raubfreundschaft (talk) 19:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me for sticking my nose in here-- this is the kind of subject I try to avoid like the plague, so I'm not going over to the "discussion". Let me just say, leaving a decision like this up to a "consensus" of a few anonymous editors is beyond absurd. Jimbo & whoever else should be in charge here really shirk their responsibility in areas like this. Editors should be editing, not making proclamations on history... Dekkappai (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I am notifying several users who have made contributions to the atomic bombings article at some point, in order to solve this issue(whether to add that the atomic bombings are officially considered a war crime in Japan or not) in a democratic fashion. Oda Mari is not the only one whom I have asked. You are correct, on the current small scale of the debate, a solution is not feasible.--Raubfreundschaft (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Right-- not criticising you, I just find the whole think absurd. This sort of decision should not be up to the whims of a mob discussion, which is bound to be biased. But that's how those in charge seem to want it, so I'll just keep my mouth shut... Dekkappai (talk) 20:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
You are most welcome to have your say in this discussion. I think of going with this to the Village Pump as well, if that is the right place to ask. Do you have any ideas to add, perhaps?--Raubfreundschaft (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, no, I'm not much on Wiki-politics, so wouldn't know how to pursue the case. Personally, I'd let it drop and go on to more productive editing areas... I think decisions like these should be made by authorities. If left up to merely "consensus" here, think it's doomed to be a U.S./Anglo-biased decision-- just as the one on JA-Wiki is just as likely to be biased for Japan. I think that's too bad, but that's just how things go around here... Dekkappai (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Very well. I agree, on the current (rather low) level, this is doomed to end in a pro-US decision, simply due to a prevalent POV. This is why I am trying to get more people into this, to achieve some sort of balance. If I still get shot down by the sheer amount of POV, I will try to pursue matters on a higher level. Mainly because I'm hoping that the higher echelons are sticking to NPOV rather than the POV of direct discussion. I'll have to see how this works out. I will not simply give up just yet, when I haven't even started.--Raubfreundschaft (talk) 21:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
OK, and now I bow out and apologize to Oda Mari for taking over her talk page for a little while ;-) Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Raubfreundschaft! I'm sorry but I'm not interested in that discussion. Hi, Dekkappai! It's OK. You are always welcome to come here. Happy editing to both of you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Very well. I contacted you because I have noticed you were active in the article at a previous point, and I thought you were that kind of person who had an interest as well as knowledge on the subject. Though since you have decided to stay out for whatever reason, I will respect that. --Raubfreundschaft (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the message on my talk page. I hope you are keeping well. I will modify the article as you recommended. Regarding the point raised about 着替える not being a compound verb - and the reason you put forward is that there is a noun 着替え - the simple fact is, it is a compound verb, made up of two separate verbs, and the fact that there is a noun derived from it is irrelevant. You would agree that やり直す is a compound verb, made up of やる+直す, even though there is a noun やり直し? Japanese has lots of these. Anyway, thanks. I shall fix the article today or tomorrow. --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 17:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me. Could you say if there's an article where I can find the meaning of the names in japanese? For example: Spider I know already they read it as suppaida, but what is the meaning of the word spider in japanese? How the japanese people name it? Did you understand me? Please, if you know about such articles, tell me. Thanks.Brazilian Man (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
It's one of gairaigo and it means "spider", 蜘蛛/くも/クモ in Japanese. There are examples in the gairaigo article, but there are too many gairaigo to include in the list. But most gairaigo are simple transliteration. So if the sound is similar to some foreign word, you can think it as it is. Or look up in a ja dictionary if you can type ja like "スパイダー". [11] Oda Mari (talk) 04:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Seeking a broadened perspective

May I invite you to watchlist Shinto Shrine?

Your comments or suggestions may be helpful at Talk:Shinto shrine#Revert. I am posting this as a kind of "heads up;" however, I do not anticipate you will need to intervene. If something does develop, I want to learn from your point-of-view.

The contributions history here + an old dispute thread at Talk:Iwashimizu Hachiman-gū#Top three shrines cause me to guess that this is precisely the kind of problem which calls for a bit of worry. For more background, see also here

In response to an early-2009 dispute, I created Hakozaki Shrine, Usa Shrine and Modern system of ranked Shinto Shrines. The research which went into developing these articles informs my reaction to an otherwise trivial edit here. The small change suggests that this may have something to do with pre-1947 State Shinto ranking.

From 1871 to 1947, the Kanpei-sha (官幣社?) identified a hierarchy of government-supported shrines most closely associated with the Imperial family. Included in the highest ranks were these three:

  • Usa Shrine, Usa, ŌitaKanpei-taisha (官幣大社?)
  • Iwashimizu Shrine, Yawata, KyotoKanpei-taisha, 3rd among the most highly ranked Imperial shrines
  • Hakozaki Shrine, FukuokaKanpei-taisha

Before 1947, the mid-range of ranked, nationally significant shrines or Kokuhei Chūsha (国幣中社?) included Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gū at Kamakura, Kanagawa.

Maybe nothing will come of this. We'll see. In any case, thank you for your investment of time and concern across the past few years. --Tenmei (talk) 17:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi! As far as I know, the big three are Usa, Iwashimizu and Hakozaki traditionally/generally. But it's a fact that some say the third one is not Hakozaki but Tsurugaoka probably because of its today's popularity. Here's the latest news on the tree. The tree is still alive. Both the root and the trunk. See the middle of the trunk, [12]. and [13]. Oda Mari (talk) 06:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Producer name

Hi, Oda Mari. I'm working on an article on the early "Pink" studio Million Film, and found that Kurosawa's producer, 本木荘二郎, directed many films there. My question is the name. My English reference transliterates the name as "Jojirou Motogi", but our articles on Ikiru and Seven Samurai both give the name as "Sojiro Motoki". Which is correct? Thanks! Dekkappai (talk) 19:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

According to AllCinema, it's Sōjirō Motoki. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Joe! Actually, Oda Mari and another native Japanese editor have shown me where allcinema has got these names wrong sometime... and I suspect that our Kurosawa articles got the transliteration from allcinema. So, no offense, but I'll wait for Oda Mari's response before going with that officially ;) Dekkappai (talk) 19:56, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Sure, any site can be wrong. The following sites also list him as Sōjirō Motoki: CD Journal, DMM, Denton Public Library, and Movie Fan. In fact, I can't find any Japanese sources which list his name any other way. Not even one. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 20:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
OK, looking like Sōjirō Motoki it is then. Thanks for checking! Odd though, I got the other transliteration from Jasper Sharp, and I've found him pretty reliable before... Dekkappai (talk) 20:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Oops-- I was working from my typed notes from the book, and "Jojirō Motogi" is a typo. Sharp actually has it as "Sojirō Motogi". Still some question though: is it "Sojirō Motogi" or "Sōjirō Motoki" Unless you have better evidence, I'll go with the latter per NihonJoe's searches... Dekkappai (talk) 02:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi! I think it's "Sōjirō Motoki". But according to this page, it's Motogi. I'm not sure that whether that wiki is reliable or not though. Oda Mari (talk) 05:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in, but we cannot tell his real registered name anyway. Interestingly, please see the Google book results.
  • "Sōjirō Motoki" including "Sojiro Motoki" 61
  • "Shōjirō Motoki" including "Shojiro Motoki" 62
By the way, There is a French article fr:Sōjirō Motoki. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Ah well, I'll go with Sōjirō Motoki. Easy enough to change later if that's decided... Yes, he certainly deserves an article. I notice the French one says nothing about his pink film career though, which was quite significant-- he directed one of the only 4 such films made in 1962, the first year of the genre's existence, and then went on to direct over a hundred more until 1977... Anyway, many thanks to all for the input! Dekkappai (talk) 14:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

New NToJ

Hi! You informed me a while ago about new National Treasures to be designated in 2010. I've been monitoring the news items at the Agency for Cultural Affairs, but did not see anything. Do you know if they've already been officially designated? bamse (talk) 11:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I don't think they've already been officially designated. Looking at this pdf, they are still in the state of recommendation. And this exhibition in May didn't say they were designated. I have no idea how often bunkacho designates national treasures and other bunkazai. I'll ask bunkacho on Monday. Oda Mari (talk) 15:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
I am a bit confused: why were they exhibited in a "new national treasure exhibition", if they are still in a state of recommendation? This page with data as of June 1 2010 still has the old statistics (i.e. before any 2010 designations). Let's see what bunkacho says. Thank you for taking the trouble to call them. As for the frequency of designations, in the 21st century they designated between one and five national treasures per year. According to Mantokun, there are quarterly council meetings where they discuss additions to the list of national treasures (see this discussion). bamse (talk) 20:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
They are not officially designated yet. The date of the official designation is when it appears on the Official Gazette. Bunkacho told me those recommended treasures would be on the gazette at the end of June or early next month and then Bunkacho would update their sites as soon as possible. This is the gazette page on the web and this is the free search for major pronouncements within 30 days. Bunkacho also told me the designation is irregular and recommended treasures have never been refused to designate so far. Oda Mari (talk) 05:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! If I understand correctly, being a recommended treasure means that they are at the stage of "report" or "report of investigation" in this diagram (page 2 bottom)? bamse (talk) 09:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Right. I'm sorry I didn't check English pages and pdfs. I didn't think using just the word "report" could convey the meaning of the stage, a J to E dictionary says 答申書 is "report" in en though. Oda Mari (talk) 09:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Whaling in Japan article

Hey, I noticed you placed a citation after the claim I edited. Thank you for doing that. I have one minor concern though: do you think citing The Institute of Cetacean Research's website is acceptable? It's hard to quote that as proof that they have indeed halted when the ICR is accused by some (namely the government of Australia and numerous scientists) of enabling commercial whaling to continue. Its state sponsorship by the government of Japan in addition to the millions of dollars it receives in government subsidies creates a conflict of interest I think. Is there any other source (preferably a neutral one with no incentive to lie) that can be sourced?

In fact, here is a recent news article (a biased one I admit, but the subject is more important than the way it's written) that shows the exact conflict of interest and accusations of corruption that make the ICR, as a source, suspect at best. I just wanted to run that by you to see what your thoughts are. Thanks Wikipediarules2221 02:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi! IMHO, ICR is an acceptable source at present. Because the corruption is not yet proved at court. As far as I know, the Kyodo Senpaku whaling fleet is the only one fleet which hunts whales in the Antarctic Ocean and IWC accepts it as scientific research. I understand whether it is scientific or commercial is a controversial subject. But if the government of Australia and numerous scientists have objection, they should go to IWC. Regarding the proof that Japan have halted commercial whaling, the ref. who hunts whales in the Antarctic Ocean and the North West Pacific Ocean except Kyodo Senpaku is needed. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


If you don't want to clean up, just don't. It will be done eventually. On the other hand, if someone added useful information, then it is not recommended that one delete it. You are free to improve it if you wish but deleting it would not be good thing. 06:47, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

You have a Japanese name but then you may not have grew up in Japan. Shiri nugui is not same as cleaning up mess. It means "wiping someone's asses". Please be civil in wikipedia.

If you believe that shiri is not a vulgar word, then I would accept that your use of language was not intentional. However, Shiri is a vulgar word (卑・俗語) as can be seen from this[14]. If you meant "bottom", then you should have said お尻。However, there is no such phrase as お尻ぬぐい. 「後始末」would have been a better choice of the words. Japanese are sometimes quite subtle so if you are not a native speaker you will miss out on nuance.
As of footnoting, I'm not that good at wiki code. If wiki code is simple one like [citation needed] or Vapour (talk) 05:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC) or [], I can sort of deal with it but I am not that great with "ref"Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

or various tags. I tend to mess it up so I still stick to the basic one. When people occasionally sent me message asking to use "ref" I usually apologise politely because I do appreciate you or other people correct my English or coding. But then your attitude was not necessary in my view. If your attitude start to prevail in wikipedia, people whose English or coding is not up to your standard would not feel welcomed here. Would it be o.k. to say "don't be anal"? ;) Vapour (talk) 05:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I have cited English/Japanese dictionary which show that shiri, without polite form 0-shiri, is a vulgar word in usage. In Japanese, words used in neutral manner are sometimes seen as too direct and upfront. Anyway, there is no need for you to make a case for a finer point of bottom/ass or to prove your Japanese skills by writing in Japanese. Since neither of us are Japanese linguist, I consider this discussion to be pointless and essentially over. As I said, if you did not mean to cause offence, that is all you had to say. By going on and on about this, you sound irritated. It really does not matter what shiri means. What matter is what you intended.
Also, in regard to "wiki coding", please assume good faith of the other wikipedians. Yes, I have been editing wikipedia for few years, but when I started it, things were simple and good. There was no "ref". I'm not really an IT type of a guy. And I, for example, still haven't learned how to use tag properly. I honestly cannot use anything other than Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

which is not at all different from []. Once in a while, some people offered to help and I manage to do it with some difficulty. I basically have to copy someone else's reference and then replace it with mine but sometimes that doesn't work well. Also it is just too time consuming because I have to find a reference which is exactly the same with my ref. Also, I found that when I use bear minimum "ref" the citation stay bear minimu but if I use [], sometimes, someone actually do a proper citation with author, quote, link, etc, which is pretty much beyond me. So it is my experience that the end result is better with []. And I'm usually apologetic about my lack of wiki skills but I do not appreciate if someone have a go at it. And lastly, you seemed to be annoyed that you have to write a line of code in "ref". For that, you ended up writing quite a lot. That does not quite make sense. Vapour (talk) 15:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

RefDesk on JP Wikipedia

Hello Mari,

I have recently been looking for the RefDesk on the JP Wikipedia, and just can't find it. Would you be able to show me a link to it? Cheers. --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 11:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi 影虎! The ja RefDesk is here, but the page is different from here. Questions must be only relating to ja Wikipedia articles and general questions are not allowed. I have no idea what you want to do at ja Wikipedia, but this page might be helpful. Sometimes en editors use the page. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 14:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Raid at Cabanatuan

Thank you for providing that link, I have added it to the ELs in the article. I have also sent an e-mail to the site's administrators to see if they can possibly assist in any research. I would appreciate any further information you can find if you are able. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks again. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 03:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Four-character idiom

Hello. I see that you have reverted my edit on Four-character idiom, and I wish briefly to talk about the edit. Korea has a dictionary chock full of four-character idioms that are often used in Korea that can be seen on this page [15]. I do not see any reason for removing the Korean name if Korea also uses four-character idioms (故事成語) , seeing as Japan enforces four-character (四字熟語) and China enforces a more lenient structure on idioms (成语). Therefore, I'd like to revert your edit on Four-character idiom. If not replied within three days, then I will revert the last edit. Thank you, and happy editing! (talk) 14:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I understand that there are a lot of four-character idioms in Korean language. But that page is a disambiguation page and we don't have the "gosaseongeo" article. I checked the linked hanja article, but there was no mention about the idioms. There should be needed a directly linked article page if you want to add an entry to a disambiguation page. That is the reason I reverted your edit. Why don't you create the "gosaseongeo" article, then restore the edit? Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 14:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: your message

Thanks for clearing things up. TEK (talke-mail) 21:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'v notice you focus on Korean and Japanese historical linkage; These books may help

Hong Wontack (1994). Paekchae of Korea and the origin of Yamato Japan. Seoul Kadura International

Covell, Jon Etta Hastings Carter; Covell, Alan Carter (1986-12-01). Korean Impact on Japanese Culture: Japan's Hidden History (2001 ed.). Elizabeth, New Jersey, U.S.A.: Hollym International Corporation

There are also many research articles regarding Japanese sculptures/archetiture/pottery links to Korea and the Japanese language being associated with ancient Korean language.

It would be very difficult to study Japanese culture and ancient history without mentioning Korea, I know that seems to be the goal of some editors and it makes the articles seem odd. Currently there is a book in the works by professors at Stanford and Seoul Univ focusing on tracing Japanese culture and it's timeline to Korea. We will see how that goes. But I hope these books help, since you are very focused on Korean links to Japan. -- (talk) 00:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

First of all, your restore was inappropriate. Clicking the ref.11 brings you to the Kofun period. As for Jon Covell, her book was not a RS. It was already pointed out here by another editor. Be sure to see this too. Yes, she is a joke. If you think she was correct, please show me other references which support her claim. I have read the linked pages you provided above, but both of them do not support her. So please do not restore the dubious information again. It would be thought as vandalism. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 04:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete my references

The site you linked about looks like an opinion site and the link after that is a trojan site, were you trying to crash my computer, luckily McAfee stopped it, please do not do that to me again or I will report you. I am hoping that was a mistake since you only linked it and probably didn't try to read the information. Try it yourself if you do not believe me, but next time please read before you send people to a trojan site. The other site is an opinion blog written by a guy named Fuga, who is suppose to take that seriously.

My reference is a published book still used in universities, if you do not agree with what is stated please put in published books that universities use which state such things. Until then I will revert to the reference material. Why are you trying so hard to disconnect the flow of China to Korea to Japan. You seem to skip Korea and go from China to Japan. I do not know if this is intentional, if it is that would be vandalism on your part. please provide references that are published and used in universities before you delete, just because you found sites that have opinions against it doesn't mean the source is incorrect. -- (talk) 06:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Seriously your objection is Fuga's blog, that is all you have? -- (talk) 07:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

  • If Oda skipped from China to Japan without Korea, that is actually called censorship, not vandalism. TEK (talke-mail) 12:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
    • UPDATE:At a glance, your edit looked more like a copy-and-paste, which is forbidden unless your book is out of copyright. TEK (talke-mail) 12:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Question for you

Would you be willing to come over here and help me get all the title right? Discussion can happen here. I appreciate any help. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 08:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Of course, it's OK. But what do you want me to do? I don't know what to do. The page looks fine to me. Yes, it's beautiful. Specify, please. Translation? Well, "Did you know..." is "新着記事"/new articles in the ja main page. Oda Mari (talk) 10:19, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I was mainly looking for confirmation/correction of titles like 抜粋本伝 (Selected biography). Would that be correct? If not, would there be something similar? Here are a few others:
  • 抜粋引用句 (Selected quote)
  • 抜粋作品 (Selected work)
  • 抜粋画像 (Selected picture)
  • Possible futures (not sure on this one)
  • 新着記事… (Did you know..., which you already mentioned)
  • カテゴリ (Categories)
  • スペキュレイティブ・フィクションの主要項目 (Speculative fiction topics)
  • Related portals (haven't got this one yet)
  • Associated content (haven't got this one yet, it would be related content on sister sites like Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, Commons, etc.)
  • On this day... (not sure on this one, basically anniversaries of births, deaths, book, film, and other releases, firsts that occurred sometime in history on this day, etc.)
  • Upcoming conventions (maybe something like 大会のお知らせ, perhaps?, not sure how many conventions there are in Japan)
  • スペキュレイティブ・フィクションのお知らせ (Speculative fiction releases and news, lists of upcoming new book, film, video, and related releases, also best seller lists if I can find sources, and important news)
You can see the same sections in the same order as on that page by looking here. I'm basically trying to translate it over to jawiki since there isn't one there yet. I appreciate your help. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Also, is 出版品 good for "Publications"? And 人物 for "People"? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I tried to translate some.

  • Selected quote 厳選引用句 引用句選
  • Selected work 厳選作品
  • Selected biography 人物紹介 (See ja:Portal:化学)?
  • Selected picture 今週の一枚 厳選画像
    ja:Portal:日本 and ja:Portal:中国 use "今週の一枚"/this week's ichimai and ja:Portal:食 uses "画像紹介"/image presentation.
  • On this day... 今日は何の日[[[8月8日]]]
  • Upcoming conventions 予定されている(各種)大会?
  • スペキュレイティブ・フィクションのお知らせ (Speculative fiction releases and news). How about スペキュレイティブ・フィクションに関する新着情報?
    Looking at ja:Portal:ヨーロッパ and ja:Portal:北アメリカ, they use "特集項目/とくしゅうこうもく", feature article or feature entry/topic for "selected xx". Different from the main page, 新着項目/記事 is a list of newly created articles. Maybe it's better to forget word-for-word translation.
    Publications is 出版物. カテゴリ is OK. Oda Mari (talk) 06:51, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Check this out

Since you are interested in Korea-related topics too, and this "article" also talks a bit about Japan. The article was created few days ago and was recently nominated for deletion at here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pure blood theory in Korea, It would be nice if you can join the discussion since we need different opinions from different perspective. --LLTimes (talk) 07:04, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Third Largest Economy

Every major news paper from the Seattle times to the New York times has declared China the 2nd Largest economy because of the 1st and 2nd quarter results. It would take a rise of 10 percent or more for Japan to overtake China in 2 quarters for China not to be the 2nd largest economy in both Nominal and Purchasing Power. One of the front page articles on Yahoo declared China the 2nd Largest economy in the world in Both Nominal and Purchasing power. Should be update this info, or are we going to wait until 2011 in March when the World bank compiles the info. That would seem a little late for information we already know. What do you guys think, should we update or wait. I know you and Nihonjoe will be all over it, if you don't like what it states so you guys should discuss. --Objectiveye (talk) 01:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea when is the appropriate time to update this kind of information and don't mind if it is now or later. Please ask someone else. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Help

He has been blocked indefinitely. Thanks for letting me know. :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 07:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I kind of wonder how the heck he lasted this long. --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 08:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

History of Japan

Hi there ^^ May I ask, why you reverted the change of the misspelled city names (it was my edit btw)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belikel (talkcontribs) 16:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi! The answer is here. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 18:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Didn't know about that... still not a fan of this >style< decision though :/ But thanks for the hint ;) Belikel (talk) 05:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010

Information.png Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Sea of Japan naming dispute has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you.660gd4qo (talk) 19:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Requesting your attention/advice on Sea of Japan naming dispute

So.....yeah. As you can see, myself and the User:660gd4qo have continued to go back and forth on his/her additions. I agreed with your idea that s/he needs to back up and discuss the changes first before making them. I feel like s/he's "cheating", by saying that he gets to add whatever he wants, then it's up to us to challenge any/all of it. Any ideas about where to go from here? Qwyrxian (talk) 01:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

tag play? See, WP:MEAT, Wikipedia:Tag team. 660gd4qo (talk) 01:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not asking Oda Mari to tag team: note very clearly that I did not ask Oda Mari to revert. I asked for advice to figure out how to go forward from here, because Oda Mari has a lot of experience editing in contentious articles related to Japan. I actually have one or two ideas, but I chose not to mention them to not effect what Oda Mari might have to say. And I strongly recommend that you not make accusations of meat-puppetry. Better yet, I recommend that you read WP:MEAT. That refers to the act of recruiting people from outside of Wikipedia to come on to the site to help push a POV. I'm not asking for any POV from Oda Mari. I noticed that Oda Mari and I seemed to agree that the method that you used to make a very large change to a very controversial topic was not the right way to go about making such a change (note again, very carefully, that I'm not saying your additions are bad, merely that the way in which you made them is bad). So that I don't clutter up Oda Mari's talk page, I'm now going to go write a comment on your talk. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
660gd4qo, bad faith much? -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 05:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
660gd4qo, please assume good faith. I've never played in a tag team. benlisquare, I'm not sure about it. Now I think it's appropriate to talk about the recent changes one by one on the article talk page, not on users' talk page. 660gd4qo, please do not leave messages on this page regarding to this matter. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 07:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


Hello, Oda Mari. I'm requesting your help in translating for this user. I have posted a final warning on their user talk and would like you to post a translation there. I feel that this user's English competency is fueling their frustration to a point where drastic measures must be taken. If you're busy with other tasks, I understand. Thanks Tiderolls 13:56, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Oda Mari. Unfortunately, I see very little prospect that this editor will be able to contribute here. I'll listen to any feedback you have to offer on the matter and would appreciate any glimmer of hope you see that their effort would be helpful. See ya 'round Tiderolls 15:55, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Japanese battleship Haruna

Just a question. It was stated at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Japanese battleship Haruna/archive1 that you have confirmed the status of the photos used in Japanese battleship Haruna. Do we have a reliable source to verify this status? According to the copyright template in use, if we can confirm that Shizuo Fukui is both dead and that he died before 1960, then any of his photos are in the public domain in Japan. Can you please comment at the FAC about this? Imzadi 1979  23:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, one more question about these photos: Would you happen to know the publication date of the book they're a part of? It's become an issue at the FAC. Thanks; Cam (Chat)(Prof) 13:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Akira Kurosawa

The article Akira Kurosawa, formerly a B-class article (rated as of Top Importance by Wikiproject:Japan), has recently been nominated by me as a Featured Article. As a member of Wikiproject:Japan, and as an editorial contributor to the Tōru Takemitsu article (because Takemitsu worked with AK), you might be interested in going to the Featured article candidates page and having a look.


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More on crickets!

Thank you for your suggestions on crickets at refdesk! The article is now at Crickets as pets and needs some attention to grammar and flow. The section on Pet crickets in Japan may need factual corrections: the principal source is dated 1898, the only recent source says that the cricket craze has largely gone but maybe it's not the case?

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@Odamari. I focus on editing muslims in China, just as many other editors focus on certain topics. Some gun enthusiasts exclusively edit on gun related articles or add weapons related content to other articles, while not focusing on other areas on the same article, does that mean they should be banned?
And that wasn't just a murder case. It caused a diplomatic incident which contributed to the outbreak of war, due to anti foreign sentiment in China. That would be like saying that the assasination of Ernst vom Rath by a Jew was not relavant to the Kristallnacht.Дунгане (talk) 20:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I thought the murder case should be mentioned in Anti-Japanese sentiment in China. That was why I reverted your addition. Your addition was abrupt and incoherent in the section. Not all readers know who was Sugiyama and the background and influence of his murder. You had to add something like " His murder was one of incidents that led to the declaration of war on the foreign powers in 1900." Besides, the section should be an outline/survey of the matter in China. You should take a good look at articles and sections and be careful where, what and how to add information. Please create a new section about the historical sentiment on the main article and add it to there. I'm not excluding Muslims in China. It's a matter of balance. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:59, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Words of Portuguese Origin

My contribution to the "Arigato" section of this article was recently reverted by user Oda Mari. This contribution was made in good faith, however Oda Mari incorrectly identified it as vandalism and reverted it. Please see the Wikipedia article on Wikipedia Vandalism, specifically the section "What is not Vandalism". It will be obvious to anyone who reads this section that my contribution was not vandalism. Oda Mari also did not cite any sources as her basis for reverting it, and in fact deleted the reliable source I provided to substantiate my contribution. If after 3 days no valid reason is provided to discredit the source I provided, I will restore my contribution. If it turns into an edit war, the matter will be brought to the attention of the administrators. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Arigatō does not derive from Portuguese. Its usage is recorded in the Man'yōshū, which predates first European contact by a long stretch. If there is any coincidence, it is irrelevant. Otherwise, it's just like saying that the English word "yeah" derives from Korean 예 ye (meaning "yes"), simply because it sounds similar. Things don't work that way. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 08:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that you also tried to add the same to Wiktionary, which I reverted and added a more detailed explanation why it is wrong. It's complete nonsense with no linguistic or historical basis, so please just drop it. Regards, Bendono (talk) 09:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I find nothing more to say. OP, see the article's talk page. Oda Mari (talk) 16:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

Hi Oda! It's really easy to upload pictures.

  1. Save a copy of the picture to your hard drive/desktop.
  2. Click on "upload file" on the left hand side of the Wikipedia screen.
  3. Click on "upload form", as it's easier to fill the information in yourself.
  4. Add the file using the "browse" button.
  5. Change "destination filename" to something meaningful, but don't enter any spaces or delete the file extension.
  6. Add relevant information to the summary box - i.e. what it is, date of publication, etc. If it's more maps from the PRC map authority, use the tag I put on the image I uploaded. If it's something else, it depends when it's published.

I'd rather not visit a website I don't know, but you can always send me details of what the image is and then I can decide on an appropriate tag. John Smith's (talk) 15:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

User: and kanji names

Hi, I was just wondering if you can tell what this user is doing to the articles s/he is editing. I can't really tell the difference between edits even after looking at the diffs. Colincbn (talk) 01:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The user inserted a space between family name and given name. Just like this: 徳川家康/Tokugawa Ieyasu to 徳川 家康. Oda Mari (talk) 04:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Ah! Thanks! I don't know if there is a style guideline for that, but either way it seems fine to me. Colincbn (talk) 04:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Good judgement?

Seki Takakazu + Japanese yen + Eulsa Treaty

There are exceptions to every rule, but it is not alway obvious. Will you help me think through the way three unrelated articles are different and alike?

A. Seki Takakazu. I don't doubt that you will remember proposing that the name of the article about Seki Kōwa (関孝和) should be changed to Seki Takakazu. Your rationale for this change was based on something other than WP:V. As you may recall, Nihonjoe summarized the issues:
This has been a problem for a long time with Japanese names due to the fact that the characters used for names can be read several different ways. It is likely someone unfamiliar with Takakazu used the "Kōwa" reading, and someone in the west caught onto that and used it as well (two someones, apparently). As has already been pointed out, both readings of the name appear to be used more or less equally in English writings, so even going by the "most common" won't help here. In this case, it is best to default to the actual and correct reading of the name. [emphasis underline added]
I accept that your view prevailed at Talk:Seki Takakazu#Move discussion.
B. Japanese yen. May I ask you to recall when you encouraged me to delete a sentence from the etymology of Japanese Yen? The sentence was:
"In 1695, the character 元 (ghen), signifying "round or rounded") was placed on the obverse of copper coins.<:ref>Titsingh, Isaac. (1834). Annales des empereurs du japon, p. 415.</ref>
Your judgment was grounded in conventional wisdom. Also, you were unable to find confirmation in what you considered standard numismatic sources. You will recall that I deferred to your point-of-view until many months later when you saw something on television which confirmed the validity of the Nihon Odai Ichiran cite.
C. Eulsa Treaty. I contributed to a discussion thread about the Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905. I am unable to distinguish between the quality of your reasoning and the quality of unsupported assertions offered by those who want this bilateral convention to be called the Eulsa Treaty.

In sum, I construe these as circular arguments. It is hard for me to guess how to parse the differences and similarities?

In this context, can you offer a useful comment or suggestion? --Tenmei (talk) 17:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Please understand that this is not urgent. I appreciate that there are other issues which do require immediate attention. --Tenmei (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Sea of Japan naming dispute

Just wondering--were your comments on the lead for my draft of Sea of Japan naming dispute your only concerns, or were you implying you'd only had a chance to look at the lead so far? If you're still working your way through it, that's still totally fine. Please don't take this as any kind of pressure, I just wasn't sure how to interpret the first sentence of your comment. If you have looked through the whole thing (as much as you intend to), then I think I'm going to go ahead and ask to have the protection removed so that I can move over the draft. But if you're still planning to make more comments, I'd much rather hear your points first, as your insight is very helpful. Thanks, Qwyrxian (talk) 04:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: I have this haunting feeling that I'm about to become involved in the Senkaku Islands article (or subarticles, if it gets split about), too...I didn't intend to have a content focus....but that article has a number of similar problems, at least in terms of formatting and potential for NPOV editing, as the SoJ naming article. Luckily, though, it has a much more active set of people talking, so it's not as easily victimized by drive-by POV pushers (I think).Qwyrxian (talk) 04:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to comment on other sections too. Probably little by litte. Unfortunately I'm a sloth. Though SoJ is in a terrible state, it is being protected, but SI is not and a lot of things are going on there. Watching the article is more important to me right now. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Alright, I'll let it stay as is for a little while longer. Eventually, I can always ask to put it up. I assume it won't be protected after that point, so it will be back to open editing and you can always continue to make changes then. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905

I am contacting you because you participated in a discussion thread about changing the name of Eulsa Treaty to another name.

Summarizing the so-called discussion which began at Talk:Eulsa Treaty in early August here:

A. In an attempt to help us start discussion, options were proposed here and refined here.
  1. Leave it at its current name?
  2. To Japan-Korea Protectorate Treaty?
  3. To Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905?
  4. To 1905 Protectorate Treaty?
  5. Or what?; see the second paragraph of page Eulsa Treaty.
B. Valentim presented the results of a Lexis/Nexis search here. This supplements several Google searches.

In the many weeks of so-called discussion thread development, those opposing the move have either been unwilling or unable to present refutation or counterargument; and therefore, I propose we delay no longer.

In other words, I suggest that there is a consensus to act now on the basis of the Lexis-Nexis search outcome. The time has come for this article to be renamed Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905. --Tenmei (talk) 19:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


I am wrapping up a few issues for Senkaku Islands dispute. Since you are a regular participant of the page in the recent times, it would be appropriate to notify you of the discussion I started. Bobthefish2 (talk) 23:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

You have not yet provided further reasons to veto those contents. If I don't see any given in the near future, I will assume you agree with them and add them to the list of things to be included after the page is off protection. Bobthefish2 (talk) 12:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

editing discussion posts?

Do you make a practice of editing other users discussion comments? To accuse me of vandalism for restoring my own comment is beyond proper for a wiki editor. (talk) 06:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


In part, this is a follow-up to the problems you are helping to resolve at Senkaku Islands and Senkaku Islands dispute.

I wonder if you have previously stumbled across this quote?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him. -- Leo Tolstoy, 1994

For me, this concept has resonance in a variety of Wikipedia settings. These sentences were introduced to me by someone interested in Metonymy and WP:Polling is not a substitute for discussion WP:Straw poll. Although I still haven't resolved what I think about the context, I do come back again and again to Tolstoy's words.

Perhaps these words might be usefully stored in the back of your mind? --Tenmei (talk) 15:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC)



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On Karate MMA article

I've done quite some research on it, and i feel that there's a need to cite some famous examples.

I'm sorry. but I don't know what you are talking about. You mean my removal on Karate article? I did not revert an IP editor's revert again. I think it's OK if other editors think the addition is needed. But I just thought that was an excess. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 16:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Greetings & question

Hi, Oda Mari. Long time no see. I hope all is well with you and that you're having fun editing. I've stopped editing here and moved over to a Japanese film-specific wiki. (There are several reasons for my departure. The main one is that I believe, Wikipedia's "notability" criteria make all non-English, non-mainstream film articles easy targets for deletion, unless they have been extensively written about in English.) Unfortunately, so far, the editors only consist of a native English-speaker (myself), and (I believe) a native Czech-speaker. So, with no native Japanese-speaker, we sometimes have to wrestle with the Japanese language a bit ;-) A question has come up at:

Would you be kind enough to offer input? Best regards, and take care. (I hope you might consider looking in on Eigapedia from time to time also. I am "Tokkan Kozo", and I do not limit my work there to "Pink"-- I work on all the colors of the rainbow ;-) Dekkappai (talk) 14:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I'm doing fine, but sometimes feel wiki stress. I'm too shy to post my answer there. As for 公, it's a suffix. See 3-2. Have you ever heard the word 先公/"senko"? It's a slang used by students in school and the meaning is "teacher". See also Hachiko. 公 is sometimes used as a disparaging suffix like senko, but there's no strong feeling in the word. It's an old type of "chan" and "kun". BTW, I think you can recommend some films at here. You and your friend are always welcome to e-mail me when you wants a human ja dictionary. I saw the news today. Be aware and take good care of yourself and your family. Oda Mari (talk) 15:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Oda Mari. Yes, that happened quite close to where my parents-in-law live now... My wife is very worried... scary... Yes, I've heard 先公, but didn't realize "公" was a suffix. I suppose the use in the film, "ハチ公物語 is the same? So it is correct that the character's name in 人情紙風船 is actually "Gen"?... Remember, if you can overcome your shyness, you are always very welcome to join us at Eigapedia! Dekkappai (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Japan National Routes

Can you find a website which would be considered a reliable source which could be used as a reference for all Japan National Routes (国道) for basic information like where they begin and end? Someone just tagged all of them as having no references. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I found these. [16] and [17]. But these are personal sites. Can we use them as RS? As for Japan National Route 1, we can use these two as they are gov. pages. [18] and [19]. As for Japan National Route 2, [20] and [21]. Maybe we should search one by one. Oda Mari (talk) 05:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The key word for the search is "国道X号線 距離". Oda Mari (talk) 06:02, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
We may need to do that for more specific information. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
How about this? ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
That looks like a good one for general info about the routes. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I found some RSs except Hokkaido and Hokuriku, and I'll add them to the articles little by little. Please be patient 穣. Oda Mari (talk) 06:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate your help! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 20:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

RfC Senkaku Islands

The RfC provides an opportunity for additional comment by other interested editors. Can you frame a constructive response to Bobthefish2 pivotal question: Even if the policy does not recommend the use of Senkaku/Diaoyu-style dual names, is our situation exceptional enough to make it a good solution?

In this RfC context, please consider an overview here? --Tenmei (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

That table you referenced is not helpful as explained in my review of it. The question you asked may also be a case of "setup to fail" if you don't provide a reference to the reasons behind the question. With that said, I believe Oda san already knows about the RfC. Bobthefish2 (talk) 20:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
As I' m not living in an English speaking country, I refrain from posting my comment at present. Oda Mari (talk) 05:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind helping out over here?

I've been working on translating the Speculative fiction portal to JAWIKI, but someone is causing problems with this. Will you come help out over here? I appreciate any help. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


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Japanese swords (external links)

I noticed that you removed two external links as not appropriate, did you go to the links and look at them? One link explained why some ww2 Japanese swords are considered to be nihonto and why some are not actually traditionally made blades, the other link is to the largest forum in the world for the discussion of nihonto, this forum has some of the worlds foremost experts in nihonto participating including Clive Sinclaire and Ian Bottomley. If you remove these links then I suggest that you take a close look at the other external links also. Instead of removing helpful links have you thought about doing some reading on the subject and adding some references? The whole article on Japanese swords as huge sections with no references backing up the information in the article Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 05:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I went to the links. The first one is selling products and the forum requires registration. That is why I removed them. Please read Wikipedia:External links. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
    • The nihonto forum does not REQUIRE registration to view (Links to sites that require payment or registration to view the relevant content) only to post. Two other external links>> (About Japanese Katana Swords) and (Japanese Samurai Swords and Ninja Techniques) have no real research and seem to be selling or promoting the sale of swords etc and they seem to fall in this category>>> (Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research) I suggest that they also be removed...and since you are so interested in wikipedia rules and helping the you know what "unreferenced and unverifiable research" means? The whole article on Japanese swords is full of inaccurate and unreferenced information...I think that is more important than a couple of links, have you thought about doing some research and adding some references or removing inaccurate information based of research? If you look on the discussion page for Japanese swords you will see a whole list of books that can be used for citations and references for editors who actually want to help the article be adding citations and references.Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 08:48, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Then add the forum to the EL section. But not the personal site, please. When you find inappropriate ELs, you can remove them. And please remember, you can ask me anything, but it's only I who decide what I'd do and what I don't at WP. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
    • Your right about the other site, I did not think about the commercial aspects,..of course your the one to decide what to do, nothing personal....I just get tired of seeing more and more unreferenced information added to articles with no one willing to cite or find references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuraiantiqueworld (talkcontribs) 02:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Your revert on Tokyo

Hi Mari. You reverted an edit to Tokyo saying "Macron is not needed".[22] However it is not an English word but a rōmaji. See template:nihongo. Regards, ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 07:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Phoenix. I see. I reverted my edit. Thank you for pointing that out. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 09:22, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

January 2011

Hi Oda Mari,

It appears to me that you do not absolutely understand what you've been doing with regards to some of your actions. I'd advise you to read some relevant contents more carefully before making accusations of personal attacks. After all, the term "idiots" was only used a handful of times and never specifically applied to anyone.

At the same time, you should be a bit more careful in your thought process when it comes to the Remin Ribao article. It was already stated and illustrated beyond a doubt that the article had never made a connection between the Japanese Okinawa Prefecture and the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands. This is also something you've agreed upon.

Since the Japanese reference articles and the associated sentences that dealt with the Remin Ribao figured argued Japanese sovereignty of these islands on the basis of the seeming Okinawa association (that we agreed was wrong or made-up), then they are also wrong by extension. Being a reputable Wikipedia editor, I believe you would be more familiar than I am to what contents should belong in Wikipedia and not. So, perhaps you'd have to show me why in this case you'd feel fraudulent ideas and references based on known fallacies deserve to remain in Wikipedia.

I understand that there can be idiots that will unrelentingly protect their favourite fantasies of reality (such as how Nanking Massacre never happened or how atomic bombs were dropped on non-belligerent victim nations in WWII), but I trust you are an editor with a great sense of honour and integrity who'd have a great justification for all this.

Oh by the way, I intend to add back some of the October protest contents that we discussed in the past. I believe our agreement is that all but the Swastika-related content was fair game. What do you think? Bobthefish2 (talk) 22:09, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Please do not talk about any editors you have disputes with. As for the content issues such as Remin Ribao and the October protests, please use the article talk page and ask for consensus. This is not the place. Oda Mari (talk) 18:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
My dear Oda Mari, I appreciate your efforts in educating me on Wikipedia matters. But unfortunately, I don't see a need to restrict myself from commenting about other editors. After all, my conduct is considered acceptable within the bounds of Wikipedia policies. Should you feel otherwise, you are welcomed to file a complaint to an admin and have him or her sort the issue out for you.
As for the issue that involved Remin Ribao, I need to remind you that it was agreed that the translation was incorrect. If you feel a need to conspire with like-minded editors to retain misinformation within Wikipedia articles, you are welcomed to do so. My reminder for you is that the issue was well-discussed and no legitimate objections were raised. Considering that this is an unambiguous case of fraudulent information, I find it doubtful that a consensus is needed.
But you are right, I feel it is possibly inappropriate to delete such unambiguously faulty information in the face of such strong opposition from highly passionate editors. I'd say I should explore the option of WP:Arbitration and advise the ban of certain obstructive individuals who somehow had developed an unfortunate fetish for opposing appropriate editorial processes. Do you happen to have the capacity of educating me on how to go through such a process? Your experience as a lawyer of Wikipedia policies is likely second to none.

Best. Bobthefish2 (talk) 21:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I've answered Fish's question here. -- Hoary (talk) 15:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


Image of page in January 8, 1953 edition of the People's Daily.

Oda Mari -- I was vexed by what I read about you and me here. In the context this short diff creates, a meaningful way to demonstrate "good faith and editorial integrity" is by enhancing and highlighting "all contents and references associated with that Remin Ribao article."

This also happens to be consistent with core wiki-policies.

Perhaps you did not know that the January 8, 1953 article has been uploaded to Chinese Wikisource and to Japanese Wikisource?

I will try to figure out how to add an appropriate English translation to the English Wikisource. Perhaps it can be easily accomplished. We'll see. --Tenmei (talk) 20:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

The first step in a constructive direction. --Tenmei (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the message. I join the discussion. But as for the English translation, I'm not sure how much I can help as en and zh are not my first language. Oda Mari (talk) 09:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Please note that the burden of proof is on Bobthefish2. You don't need to translate the article. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 10:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Locked article

I'm very sorry that Senkaku Islands dispute was locked -- not because of a short-term problem with the current version of the article, but because of the unintended consequences.

Even if this action does succeed in mitigating some kind of short-term dispute, I anticipate longer-term problems as a result of Nihonjoe's decision. I tried to explain at User talk:Nihonjoe#Locking of Senkaku Islands dispute; but the effort was not well received:

  • diff . . User talk:Nihonjoe‎; 04:07 . . (-33,990) . . Nihonjoe (talk | contribs) (Reverted to revision 411729997 by Nihonjoe; rv edit war spllover from Senkaku Islands, please keep your discussion on THAT talk page, not here.)

IMO, this is a problem which didn't need to be a problem. I do not know how to be a force for good in this context, but I will think about it over the next few days. --Tenmei (talk) 08:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I knew it was locked. You didn't have to inform me. I'll post my comments on appropriate threads when I want to or when I think I have to. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 09:29, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

and in Lithuania

Somebody who can read materials in Japanese a lot faster than I can (and who is not battling with a computer that doesn't like him) may be interested in this. I imagine that you're busy too, but if you are interested in this, then of course feel free to disagree with me there. -- Hoary (talk) 15:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

OK. But I read/comprehend materials in English a lot slower than you do and the thread is very long. I try to check the matter. BTW, what's wrong with your computer? My old 2k is still working fine, it's slow though. Brrr, It's cold outside, isn't it? Keep warm! Oda Mari (talk) 15:49, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

You'll be happy when I say that it's probably not a good idea to say anything more here at RS/N. But it could be a good idea to comment judiciously at Talk:Chiune Sugihara. As always, one major problem is that looking in libraries for materials -- even if one knows where to look (which pages of which issue of which magazine) -- is tiresome, while what's available on the web in Japanese is so insubstantial compared with what's available in English. (Regardless of what one may think about the relative value of the Guardian and 朝日新聞, virtually everything from the former is freely available on the web, whereas almost nothing from the latter is.) Anyway, see this. At best, it's a blatant copyright violation. Worse, it could have been tampered with. Still, it does appear to be an article in Aera with serious implications for the credibility of a book that's taken seriously by editors of the article on Sugihara. Meanwhile, there are reputable books in Japanese about Sugihara, but few editors of en.WP who have the ability, and can spare the time and effort needed, to read and digest even just part of one of them. IFF you're interested, your input would be welcome. ¶ Although I tend to distrust anything published in the 1990s by the Free Press (before then an excellent publisher, and for all I know excellent now as well), it's not a good idea just to say (even with good reason) that we can't believe HL when he writes X. Instead, if there's a conflict between HL writing X and some other author (let's call her SOA) writing not-X, then we have to see which account (X or not-X) or which author (HL or SOA) is more credible. ¶ I have an excellent Win2k computer too, but unfortunately it lacks the puff to run Gimp on any but small files, and also I presume that it's full of security holes and hardly dare connect it to the net. But Win2k was fine in its day. When XP came out, I was eager to jump ship. Mac OS X is very good but I'm underwhelmed by Apple hardware, always seemingly designed to look good in Yodobashi Camera but mechanically dubious. So I've been using (K)Ubuntu. However, I'm not happy with the upgrade process, and so my newest machine is running Debian. Except that right now it's only running 95% or so of the needed bits of Debian, and getting the missing 5% is troublesome. But I'm pretty confident that today I'll get it all sorted out. ¶ Whatever you think of the relative appeals of Windows and GNU/Linux, it's good to have a bootable ("live") CD for emergency purposes. And this means GNU/Linux (or something more exotic). I recommend "#!". (The ja:WP article about it is seriously out of date.) ¶ Yes, too cold! Yesterday I walked out to Doutor to get an espresso that's better than coffee I can make myself, and then found that I'd left my money at home, so I had to walk back home. Then I had to thaw my hands. Coming on top of computer problems, that was a bit much. -- Hoary (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure it was a good idea, but I posted my comment on RS/N. It made me tired. BTW, I need your help on this article . See the ja article. It's a TV program. I'll provide sources later. Are you still battleing with your computer? Oda Mari (talk) 09:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your good work at RS/N. I think that the person who started the thread had his heart in the right place but was far too vehement for his own good, and that this alienated a lot of his readers. He makes some good points. But the article is not about Levine, it's about Sugihara; the thing to do is of course to find and use sources that are better than Levine. ¶ Shichiji ni aimashō is still an utterly dreadful article, but now it's merely uninformative, uninteresting, unsourced, and possibly fictional; whereas before it was all of these and also self-contradictory. I'll keep an eye on it. ¶ Yes, thank you, I am now happily using my Dell laptop running Debian 6.0.0. 日本語入力も平気。 I bought the computer over the web and in principle could make many choices. The choice not to have Windows was not among them. I had a choice of colors, but the choice not to have two "Windows" stickers was not available. I was able to correspond with email and asked there if I could have it without Windows, without the stickers, or (best of all) without either Windows or the stickers, and with no reduction in price. No, was the answer. Aren't "antimonopoly" laws wonderful! ¶ A great thing about having a computer with a US keyboard, with Ctrl and CapsLock switched around, and with Debian installed is that nobody is going to ask if she can borrow it, even for a few minutes. Or if I am asked, once I start explaining they should lose interest in a few seconds. (Actually it all "looks and feels" much the same as Windows or Mac OS X, really.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the edits on Shichiji. The TV program was too old to find RS on the web. Though the ja article has no RS, it seems to be generally correct. It's not a controversial topic. What I could find are [23], [24], [25], [26], and see 44 and 45. The June 8th episode was first sold in VHS format in 1995 as a memorial video ten years after Sakamoto's death. The director of the program was Akio Jissoji. That "あいま" is not "interval". It is "あいましょう"/let's meet with a pun "show". I'm glad to hear you tamed your computer. Debian sounds fine. But I want to use several applications probably working only on Windows/Mac, and I stick to Windows. Oda Mari (talk) 15:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about the mistake in the article. I fixed that a couple of minutes ago, but now unfortunately am too sleepy to do anything further. Good night! -- Hoary (talk) 15:43, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

A small step forward...your thoughts?

With the input of some previously uninvolved editors, we've developed a compromise wording on the Remin Ribao article sentence at Senkaku Islands dispute. As one of the prior discussants in this issue, I'd appreciate your input in the very last section on talk as to whether you could accept the compromise we've cobbled together. The short argument is that 4 of us (including 2 uninvolved editors) that the article will be better if we clearly attribute that interpretation of the Remin Ribao article, in the sentence, ""The Japanese government and U.S. researchers have claimed that a 1953 article in The People's Daily, a daily newspaper which is the organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC), stated that the Senkaku Islands were a part of the Rykuyu Islands, and that this further implied that the Senkaku Islands were a part of Japanese territory" (keeping all of the current sources). I sincerely hope that you might be persuaded to accept this as a compromise that clearly includes the sentence, all of the sources, and doesn't state that the translation may be false, while also clearly indicating the that the translation is an act of interpretation. I'd love to hear your input. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

In the process of revisiting the definition of the word "compromise", I found these timely quotes:
  • All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take. — Mohandas Gandhi
  • A good compromise, a good piece of legislation, is like a good sentence; or a good piece of music. Everybody can recognize it. They say, 'Huh. It works. It makes sense.' — Barack Obama
When you evaluate what Qwyrxian wrote above, consider these conflicting ways in which the word "compromise" is used:
  1. The primary issue of contention was about ... a deceptive misinterpreation of a primary source. You proposed a compromise (which I accept) to rewrite the text .... Bobthefish2 02:44, 12 February 2011
  2. I sincerely hope that you might be persuaded to accept this as a compromise .... Qwyrxian 05:29, 15 February 2011
  3. Please understand, I'm not doing this out of some sort of sense of compromise .... Qwyrxian (talk) 12:31, 15 February 2011
In Qwyrxian's analysis above, the pivot of so-called "compromise" is explicit: " ... doesn't state that the translation may be false ...."

Gandhi's words sway my thinking about this phrase. --Tenmei (talk) 20:16, 15 February 2011

What best serves our shared Wikipedia goals

Your good judgement inspires me. With my words here I affirm my belief in the value of your best guesses about what to do in difficult situations.

Especially now, it bears repeating that our shared goal is ensuring academic credibility of all articles in our Wikipedia project. --Tenmei (talk) 19:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


I've decided to escalate his behaviour at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Bobthefish2. Your comments would be welcome. Also, can I say, do join back in the discussion at Talk:Senkaku_Islands_dispute. If bob gets to you, just ignore him. Don't let him get to you. :) John Smith's (talk) 10:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


Re: Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#User:Bobthefish2

In the past, I regret failing to do enough to oppose harassment in the form of baiting.

I responded to Bobthefish2's new gambit here at Senkaku Islands dispute by posting this: ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────WP:AGF is drained of meaning by WP:POKING WP:BAITING -- see context here + here which justifies zero tolerance.

This makes me sad. I didn't understand.--Tenmei (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Images of Hachiko

Thanks for your response. I see you have already contributed to the deletion request, thanks also for that. I'll make all my contributions there: it's best if all the discussion is in one place for everybody to see. --Simon Speed (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


Table deleted from Foreign Relations of Japan#Disputed territories

Please review the table I have re-created here at Counterargument#Counterexample.

  • Do you have suggestions about improving specific cells in this matrix?
  • Are you willing to make suggestions about how the information in the table can be more effectively explained for those who are unfamiliar with this subject?

In the coming weeks, perhaps we can locate and upload additional images which verify this counter-argument to irredentism in a way that words alone can not convey. --Tenmei 23:36, 24 February 2011

I have uploaded File:Atlas 1960 Senkaku.jpg and it is added to this table. --Tenmei 02:17, 25 February 2011 --Tenmei (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

RFC/U on Tenmei

As an editor who has interacted with User:Tenmei on the Senkaku Islands pages, I would like to inform you that I have filed a Request for comment on user conduct of Tenmei. You may read that RFC/U at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tenmei, and are welcome to comment on it as explained at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct/Guidance2 once it has been certified. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


メールありがとうございます。メールいただいた件ですが、詳しくは言えませんが現在各関係者のご協力で対策を講じております。わざわざご連絡いただきありがとうございました。--Vigorous action (talk) 15:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Bridge used by everyone

"I would rather be a bridge used by everyone than be a statue." -- Nobushige Hozumi

Oda Mari -- Have you encountered this Nikkei (日系人 Nikkeijin?) poet?

With new hope.
We build new lives.
Why complain when it rains?
This is what it means to be free.
-- Lawson Inada

When you try to be a bridge to the future, it's not easy or simple; but it is a good investment. --Tenmei (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

  1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.
STSC (talk) 14:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

WP Japan in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Japan for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 04:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for responding to the interview with your biographical information. If you have anything to add to the other questions, please do so before the end of today so we can include it in the final article published tomorrow. -Mabeenot (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Can u help me?

I don't have the japanese fonts. What is the standard procedure? Thx --Chris.urs-o (talk) 20:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I hope this page would help. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 20:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Clarification please on Fukushima 1 page

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion of the Fukushima 1 nuclear accidents.

You comment on the correct translation of some numbers, but unfortunately the discussion page shows only a reference to "OP", and there is currently no person or other occurrence of "OP" on the discussion page. Could you kindly clarify on the discussion page if that is 100,000 or 10,000,000?

Crisperdue (talk) 20:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Signpost article

The WikiProject Japan Signpost article scheduled for this week was postponed in light of the earthquake, tsunami, and ongoing nuclear crisis. We would like to publish the interview within the next couple weeks with updated information that takes into account the events in Japan. Please take an opportunity to return to the interview page to answer some additional questions located at the bottom of the page. This is also an opportunity to revise any previous answers if you feel the need. We hope to bring your story to a wider audience. Thanks again for your participation. -Mabeenot (talk) 03:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

It appears you are alright!

Despite our differences, I'd like to express my well-wishes to the Japanese (or reputable British) people who edited in Senkaku Islands. Let's hope they are safe and suffered no losses.

I will post this as an IP, since I am avoiding WP as a hobby for a while. — Bobthefish2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:01, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 04:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


It is actually you who are guilty of altering the original text to further your Japanese natioanlistic agenda.

"Following the Battle of Hakusukinoe against Tang China and Silla in 663 AD that led to Japanese retreat, Japan underwent widespread reform. One of the most important was ..." is the original passage you appear to be quoting from.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Baiyaan (talkcontribs) 16:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC) 


Per what consensus in the project was that image removed? Let me know please.


...for your contribution to the article Akita Inu!he


Hello Thanks for replying on the power plant page to my enquiry about earthquakes. I replied there, but two quotes I found from TEPCO were:

"Today at approximately 3:36PM, a big quake occurred and there was a big sound around the Unit 1 and white smoke."[27]

"Unit 1(Shut down)- Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big quake occurred at 3:36PM. 4 workers were injured due to this incident and they were transported to the hospital. "[28]

I appreciate what you said, about translations but particularly the second quote above sounds like something happened and then an explosion happened afterwards. I have found a page [29] which appears to list an earthquake off fukushima at 15:22 on 12 March. So this would be 14 minutes before the explosion. I presume 3:36pm is the time of the explosion, not the time of the something which happened before it. This is listed as a magnitude 6 earthquake which is one of the bigger aftershocks. Apologies if this is nonsense and I am misunderstanding the page, which I am looking at in google translate, which is not perfect. Sandpiper (talk) 01:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Why have you reversed my edits?

I would like to know why you have reversed all the changes i have been working on the Buddhist art in Japan article. I have been trying to make the article much more robust, including adding new sources and content. What do i have to do to get this new version accepted? Who do i have to talk to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Javierfv1212 (talkcontribs) 14:12, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


It is actually you who are guilty of altering the original text to further your Japanese natioanlistic agenda.

"Following the Battle of Hakusukinoe against Tang China and Silla in 663 AD that led to Japanese retreat, Japan underwent widespread reform. One of the most important was ..." is the original passage you appear to be quoting from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baiyaan (talkcontribs) 16:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


Need your help again

User_talk:Yu_klose#Alex_kim.27s_citizenship You translated a year and a half ago for this editor, he needs it again. Alex Kim doesn't have dual citizenship and I'm pretty sure (at least from Google translate) what he was trying to use as proof for it clearly indicates as such. [30]. He is korean, but he was born in the US and has US citizenship. He has not, to my knowledge, a friend of mine knows him, taken dual citizenship nor does he qualify for it. Dual citizenship has only been introduced this year in Korea, so there is no way an article from 4 years ago would indicate that he had dual citizenship.--Crossmr (talk) 22:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

You are right. The link is an improper citation. The list of the top of the page says(Alex KIM=新外国人選手). The ja words mean newly joined foreign player. I warned the user and ask her/him not to change it again untill s/he find RS. Oda Mari (talk) 05:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, appreciate it!--Crossmr (talk) 09:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Gimbap Document

You also, relevant person of this document. Therefore, you can not "warning". Thank you. --Idh0854 (talk) 05:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Tanko keiko

I'm not sure who the IP that edited Kofun period was, but I dont see why you think it was a test edit. I looked around a bit and found this: [31]

It seems like a perfectly good edit to me. If you don't mind I would like to re-add the info. Cheers, Colincbn (talk) 05:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, it was my mistake. I mistook the words as different words as the user did not use macron. I restored the user's edit and added macron. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 06:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Kangxi Dictionary article series - Onegai itashimasu

Ore and Temae (usage in context) are going great guns at the series of articles about the Kangxi Radicals. Could you possibly have a look into this and see how Omera we are doing?
--Shirt58 (talk) 13:11, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful! I didn't know there were radical articles. Feel free to ask me if there's something I can do for them. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


こんにちは。失礼ながら私は英語が出来ないので編集を頼みたい記事があります。Japanese pottery and porcelainにおいて、陶磁器戦争なる語が出てきますが、ご存知の通りこれは明らかに韓国側のプロパガンダに基づいた記述で事実ではないです。秀吉の目的は大陸の平定で朝鮮の陶工を拉致することが原因で戦争を起こしたのではないのは常識です。「陶磁器戦争」や「戦争は誘拐目的」という誤った情報は韓国で流布されているもので、これが英語版に伝染してるようです。秀吉の目的が書かれた英語版のソースがあれば確固とした記述になると思いますが、せめて陶工を連行したのは事実でも、ソースなしでもあの戦争の目的は訂正できないでしょうか?--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 04:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I've never heard the term in Japanese history. そのような用語が日本史の中で使われているのは知りません。I think you can remove dubious information without source. ソースのない疑わしい情報は削除してもかまわないのではないかと思います。Remember to write "remove unsourced dubious information" in the edit summary. 編集内容の要約のところに出典のない疑わしい情報の削除と書くのをお忘れなく。If you cannot find RS in English, RS in Japanese will do. 英語のソースが見つからない場合は、日本語のソースでも大丈夫です。I'll check it and find RS in English later. すぐには無理ですが、こちらも記事をチェックして、ソースを捜してみます。Thank you for the information. お知らせありがとうございます。Oda Mari (talk) 05:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
削除したいのですが、繋がる文章があるため、私が削除したら文章がおかしくなってしまうので出来ないのです。なおあなたが私のノートに書いた菊花紋章について、おそらくほかの誰かと間違えていると思います。それでは。--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 05:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi, thank you for your thanks, and thank you for tracing the literature on the cherry blossom question. I'm still amazed that there doesn't seem to be a scientific name for the Korean form, but perhaps the wikipedia pages will prompt somebody to make one. Best wishes, Nadiatalent (talk) 18:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested

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Please could you review the above request and the newly specified issues to be mediated, and then indicate whether you would agree or disagree to participate in mediation? Thank you. For the Mediation Committee, AGK [] 21:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
? I did. See this. Or do I have to strike my comment? Oda Mari (talk) 05:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't notice that. You can ignore my message dated 21:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC). Regards, AGK [] 10:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Hiroshima, Nagasaki


Could you please have a look at Talk:Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#U.S._warplanes_air-dropped_1_million_warning_leaflets_into_Hiroshima.2C_Nagasaki ? Teofilo talk 22:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


This unusually big revert you did to an anon ip caught my eye. It looks like he converted the entire table from Hepburn romanization to the Nihon-shiki romanization standard. Calling it a factual error didn't really look right. You should probably give a better explanation to the guy. - Zero1328 Talk? 07:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

No, you are wrong. Take a good look at the change. For instance, "Th" is never used both in Hepburn and Nihon-shiki as there's no th sound in Japanese. The anon added some non-ja sounds to the article. So the edit was a factual error. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 08:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Stop editing Korean articles at wiki

It seems you have been active in editing Korean related articles and you don't have deep understanding knowledge, therefore I'm reverting your edit from now on. --KSentry(talk) 07:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Please do not introduce fabricated information about Korea, I personally believe you don't have knowledge in Korean history, culture and language therefore you don't have any contribution to be made at Korean related articles. Please do edit your precious Japanese related articles while you still can, otherwise I'll ban you forever!--KSentry(talk) 01:32, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

File renaming in Commons

Hi, Mari. In Commons we have a guideline File names and a tag Template:Rename. When there is consensus for renaming, please tag each files with suggestion of new names and the reason or the link to renaming discussion:

{{rename|new name.jpg|reason for new name}}
Then I, or any admin available, can easily and correctly rename files. Thank you.--miya (talk) 22:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Request for mediation accepted

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You left this out.

tohoku's connection to Fukushima plant

It's just an image. Who is the creator? Who is the publisher? There is no description. I find nothing reliable in it. Oda Mari (talk) 14:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Just a little thanks

Hi Mari - I just want to say thanks for your help the other day (the 'puffed up cheeks' and 'hot food' translation). It was a small part of a trial translation for a new agency I've never worked with before. Anyway, I got the contract. Thanks again :) --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 00:59, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Oda Mari (talk) 05:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


It's not all that unnecesary. The Meiji Emperor was a very important figure and the images where relevant to the pages they were included on. Polozooza (talk) 16:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, he is an important figure, But I think most of your additions are not appropriate. Ask for consensus on the talk page first. Besides, adding images you uploaded to articles is WP:COI#Self-promotion. I'm afraid the quality of the images you uploaded is not good. Oda Mari (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
As for Meiji's death from diabetes, I found a source on that: [1]. He died of kidney failure and diabetes in July 1912 after visiting a ceremony in Tokyo. I understand you removed things but with a source it can stay. Please see the source and judge for yourself. Polozooza (talk) 06:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I won't remove the death section as you added the fact with RS. But as for the images you restored, I will undo as they are too many images for an article. See WP:NOTGALLERY and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout)#Formatting. And as for the image in the infobox, the previous image is the most notable and used in text books in Japan and also it show his body. It is definitely a better image. If you do not agree with me, use the article talk page and ask for other editors' opinion and consensus first. Looking at your edits, your choice of images seems to be inappropriate. Furthermore, please do not push images you uploaded. It is not NPOV. Oda Mari (talk) 06:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I will not re-include the image of the relief; it is indeed one too many and messes up the layout. As for the picture of Meiji in the infobox; I believe it is better. Most articles of monarchs show a face rather then a full body-shot. Besides that it shows a young Meiji, as he appeared early in his reign. During most of his reign, he wore a full beard and moustache as can be see in the image I included. Polozooza (talk) 07:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I opened a discussion on it as you asked: see here. Hope this is what you meant. Polozooza (talk) 07:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


What copyrighted material did I add? Polozooza (talk) 17:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Japanese translation

Hello Oda Mari. Is your Japanese good?

I'm trying to translate a small Japanese text (from the Japanese wikipedia) to this article Ring ni Kakero (video game). Perhaps you can help a little bit? Thanks. --Hydao (talk) 03:16, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I am a native ja speaker. What do you want me to do? Oda Mari (talk) 17:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Well, if you go to this wiki-site:

I'm not sure if I understand everything wrote in the section 6 (ゲーム). If you have some free minutes, can you translate it more correctly? --Hydao (talk) 05:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not good at translating ja to en, as usually translators translate the second language to their native language. Besides, I do not understand the terms used in the game/manga. The summary of the first and second paragraph is like this. It covers from "the Champion Carnival" to "the world Championship" in the original. There are 20 boxers and two hidden characters. There were only 6 voices for 22 boxers. The game was scheduled to sell as a Super Famicom game in 1995, but because of the fewer orders than expected and the market of Super Famicom got smaller, it was sold as a Nintendo Power game. I'm not sure that I can translate well as the third and fourth paragraph are about game itself. It seems that the story is arranged and a little bit different from the original on the "story mode". At the ending, there is a phrase "TO BE CONTINUED…?" on the screen and if the player wait for three minutes, a hidden character, Masami Kurumada appears from a helicopter. On the "knockdown mode", the player chooses a character and fights with 19 boxers and the 20th boxer would be the hidden character, Shadow Path Commander. As for かけろ in the title, it is a an imperative form and means to dedicate one's time/life to something and strive for something. Please select an appropriate word in en. On the manga article it says "Put It All in the Ring". I think the translation should need consistency. Oda Mari (talk) 09:51, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, I used your text. :) About the かけろ, so what do you suggest then? "Put It All in the Ring" is ok, right? "Bring the Ring" sounds not good at all, but it's the lit. translation, I guess. --Hydao (talk) 11:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


Hi Oda Mari, just in regards to MT Fuji, even though you are right with everything by undoing my edit, i actually didn't copy & paste, and if it resembled it exactly i have no idea >.< thanks anyway

Kindest Regards,

Macedoniarulez (talk) 08:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for your feedback about my edit to the En No Gyoja article. It has been nice to meet you. I have a personal interest in Feudal Japan, which is indirectly explained by the first sentence in my article, and my user name. I guess i will take in any facts I can, unless I doubt their accuracy. You also did me a favor. I am trying to get 10 edits so I can edit the article about Ninjas. I can find many sources saying that ninja are of the samurai class. If I am not mistaken, all samurai had to follow Bushido. Shinobi223 (talk) 12:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)Shinobi223Shinobi223 (talk) 12:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

It's nice to meet an editor who is interested in Japan. As far as I know, En No Gyoja was, not fictional, a historical person, actually the first Shugendō, but most of his character and stories are said to be later legends and had nothing to do with martial arts. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 06:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Martial Arts


I was wondering if you would be interested in helping me. I would like to create a page about the style of Jujitsu I practice and another one about its founder. I tried doing this last month and they were deleted :-(. I have decided that I need some help from someone more experienced ! Let me know if you are intested.

Many thanks

Sheppers (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I think this page is helpful. And notability is a must. Looking at your talk page, the reason of the deletion of the article you created was a copyright infringement. You cannot copy and paste the content from other sites. See Wikipedia:Copyright violations and Wikipedia:Copyright problems. Feel free to ask questions. Or there is a live help channel on IRC. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 17:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


Since you've been involved with these editors before, you might wish to review the evidence and participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KoreanSentry. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 07:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. It's interesting. Oda Mari (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

An Music School.

Hey Oda Mari. When you have time/mood can you improve this article a little bit? :)

An Music School

Thanks. Cheers. --Hydao (talk) 10:46, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...sorry, but I don't know how to expand the article. Oda Mari (talk) 15:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Huh, thanks anyway. =) I'll try to translate from the Japanese wikipedia. --Hydao (talk) 09:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Cognitive bias

Perhaps you may have read ja:認知バイアス. At Note2 In that article, please consider this very small point:


The concept is treated superficially in a stub article Motivated reasoning. Over the next couple of weeks, I will try to improve the quality of the writing.

I know that this is outside your normal editing area, but it may have a practical use.

Please watchlist this article. Do you have any suggestions to offer? --Tenmei (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for rolling that back. Needed doing. Yunshui (talk) 19:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank You for Your Remind

Or I would continue spending time doing wrong jobs....Heinrich ⅩⅦ von Bayern (talk) 15:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Japan Old Province

Thank you for helping me to parse and evaluate a trivial problem. --Tenmei (talk) 14:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


I propose a strategy to combat the contrived appearance of an WP:edit war by using words like this in all future edit summaries at Senkaku Islands and Senkaku Islands dispute:

This is a "PRO-WIKIPEDIA" edit. This edit is explained in detail and in advance on talk page

Please consider this pair of edits at Senkaku Islands dispute:

  1. diff 17:35, 19 July 2011 Tenmei (talk | contribs) (58,318 bytes) (Undid revision 440335859 by Lvhis pro-Wikipedia -- This revert explained in detail and in advance on talk page)
  2. diff 16:55, 19 July 2011 Lvhis (talk | contribs) (58,346 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Oda Mari (talk): This is a POV title. rv Japanese POV pushing. (TW))

The edit summary of Lvhis is an example of Framing (social science). We need to reject the false dilemma. Do you understand the meaning of the logical fallacy in a "false dilemma"?

Lvhis sets up a misleading pro vs con schema.

A better strategy is to emphasize a "pro-Wikipedia" foundation -- that is, to underscore that our edits are not

In point of fact, an extensive edit history informs my belief that Oda Mari's interests are demonstrably "pro-Wikipedia" ....

For us, the first and foremost question is: What is best for the long-term prospects of our collaborative editing project?

What do you think? --Tenmei (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Some friendly advice

Oda Mari:

I do not mind you correcting the kanji and romanji episode titles on »List of The Story of Pollyanna, Girl of Love episodes« page; still, you did accidentally delete the original air date for episode 14. Please exercise greater care with your editing in the future.

Dairi no Kenkyo (talk) 20:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: A sock?

Re your message: Yes, that is a sock. I've blocked it. Same geographical region as the previous IP used. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Re your message: It was quick because I happened to be signed on at the moment. You have lucky timing. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Dates on Sea of Japan naming dispute

To expand on my edit summary, I undid the changes User:Srich32977 made to the date format of Sea of Japan naming dispute because prior to that user's edits, the prose was a mixture of both DMY and MDY, and because the references were already unified on DMY. If the references were using YMD as a shorthand, I could understand having a different format for the prose, but reverting my edit would result in a mixture of DMY and MDY throughout the document. I think this goes against the spirit of WP:DATERET and MOS:DATEUNIFY. --Gyrobo (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you kindly

GSUSA All Abouts Thank you.JPG Thank you for your support
Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I shall endeavor to meet your and the community's expectations as an admin. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Senkaku Islands dispute

I am withdrawing from active participation in this subject.

Is it possible that my contributions are somehow "feeding" conflict?

One way to test the hypothesis is by simply stepping back for a while. --Tenmei (talk) 17:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: August 2011

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Hello, Oda Mari. You have new messages at HLogicNet's talk page.
Message added 11:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Jon Kabira

Oda Mari, do you think you can improve this article? Jon Kabira Thanks. --Hydao (talk) 03:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll try. Oda Mari (talk) 05:12, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration on Senkaku Islands

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Senkaku Islands and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thanks, Qwyrxian (talk) 10:06, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Untimely deletion

There were some things worth salvaging from mediation -- for example, your diffs and mine.

The deletion of all diffs from our mediation is summed up in an idiomatic expression -- throw out the baby with the bath water.

The few, small successes of collaborative editing are thrown away carelessly.

The deletion of the mediation threads was unexpected. For me, the surprise was also untimely.

I asked Feezo to restore the missing diffs. There was no response. I asked for Nihonjoe's help. He suggested here that I may need to ask an arbitrator to do this. Elen of the Road explained here that it is standard practice when a failed mediation results in an arbcom case for the mediators to delete the files - it's part of MEDCOM's ground rules for mediation that it cannot subsequently be used as evidence against any of the parties.

I have no interest in "evidence against any of the parties." For me, that is quite beside the point, tangential, unimportant.

I read nothing that would have reasonably warned me that deletion of all diffs would be a direct consequence of Qwyrxian's request for arbitration. Did you?

The fact of the matter is that your very few diffs were useful and constructive and I do not see any good reason for us to throw them away like smelly garbage. --Tenmei (talk) 05:26, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Tenmei, please stop spamming this request everywhere. See Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee/Policy#The_privileged_nature_of_mediation - the mediation pages will be made available again after the RFAR closes. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Stop Harassing Newcomers

Please stop your disruptive editing and harassment of newcomers. If you continue to harrass newcomers by preventing them from making good faith attempts to make articles neutral, you may be blocked from editing. BWP1234 (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration case opened

An arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands. Evidence that you wish the Arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence sub-page, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands/Evidence. Please add your evidence by August 31, 2011, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can contribute to the case workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 15:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Simple as possible

Do you construe this diff here as a wall of text?

Are we talking past each other when I argue sincerely that, yes, everything must be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler. --Tenmei (talk) 17:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

5 final warnings

Interested that you gave 5 final warnings to (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I took it to WP:AIV and he's been blocked now, but I was intrigued as to why you'd kept warning when the vandalism continued after your earlier final warnings? I hope I've reverted all the ones that you hadn't covered. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I just wanted to attract an admin's attention. But I had to go to IRC and asked for the block. Thank you for the reverts. Oda Mari (talk) 16:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
If they keep vandalising after your final warning, best to take it to WP:AIV. Anyway, they're gone, at least for for 31 hours. :-) - David Biddulph (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I know AIV. But I like IRC better. Sometimes it's quicker than AIV. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 16:34, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
This time AIV won; 1 minute after the AIV notification, more than an hour after your second "final" warning. I still fail to understand the mentality of the folk who commit this sort of vandalism, but hopefully we'll spot them when they do it. :-( - David Biddulph (talk) 16:44, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but no. The admin who blocked the IP was the one I talked on IRC. Ask him. I said thank you to him and left IRC. Don't you think this is funny? Oda Mari (talk) 16:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Specific request for an answer to a specific question

Lvhis has said that I am treating you and STSC differently based on a comment you made in your Evidence. I believe that Lvhis is misunderstanding what you wrote. However, I could be wrong. Could you please go to the end of the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands/Workshop#Proposal by Qwyrxian section and answer the specific questions I've put to you there? Note that I'm not asking you whether you think SI is the best name, or whether other names are bad--rather, I'm only asking how you would respond to a well-established consensus decision that that current name is not the best name. I appreciate your response in this matter. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think asking such a question now is useful, since an attentive person would already know not to respond in a certain way upon seeing your allegations to one of your opponents. --Bobthefish2 (talk) 02:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


Please consider what I have written here at "Vested toxic warriors". Perhaps you will want to comment? --Tenmei (talk) 14:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Anthem of Tokyo

You could include the anthem of Tokyo in the article? Please. An explanation of the anthem is sufficient, because the whole anthem should go to Wikisource. Please. Sorry my bad English. Bruno Ishiai (talk) 00:58, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. See the infobox. Sorry, the anthem is copyrighted. We can use the link only. Happy editing. Oda Mari (talk) 07:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, is there a section on the symbols of Tokyo in the article in Portuguese, in the English has no. More certain is to have the anthen in the Wikisource, inasmuch as the anthen are public domain. Bruno Ishiai (talk) 19:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


According to Elen of the roads, "A useful thing that the parties can do is help Arbcom with ... what it is that [WP:RfArb/Senkaku] is all about...."

It would help me -- and perhaps it would be perceived as helpful by others -- if you were willing to give your answer to Elen's question.

A summary re-statement of what you think this case is all about would appear reasonable here in the context of an analysis of the evidence you presented. --Tenmei (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

The time for presenting or resummarising the case has long passed. Please read what Newyorkbrad, one of the drafting arbitrators, says four days ago. Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 17:38, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Mijika in Kimono

Hi Mari. I removed your edit, or the edit by User:MissesKZ. The term mijika (短着) certainly exists, however it is not notable to describe in that article. I hope you understand my edit. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:22, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Phoenix. I'm afraid you are wrong. See these. [32], [33], and [34]. My first thought was removing the addition as the word was not widely used. But it was 忍びない to remove it as the addition seemed to me a good faith edit by a newbie. So I rewrote it. What do you think? Oda Mari (talk) 10:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't deny the existence of the word mijika, however it is referred to more in the context of folkloristics. There are many types of work-clothes such as kogin, tattsuke, kodanashi, nagatsunagi, donbuku, and mojiri in addition to mijika. They are not deserved for included in the article. Also they are clothes used in farming and mountain villages while Hanten is referred to craftman or artisan clothes. As you know, the article Kimono is about so called wafuku not about "Work-clothes in the pre-modern Japan". In that sense, Hanten in the Kimono#Accessories and related garments is not adequate for this article although it is popular in the festival even in today . ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Friendly notification regarding this week's Signpost

Hello. This is an automated message to tell you that, as it stands, you will shortly be mentioned in this week's 'Arbitration Report' (link). The report aims to inform The Signpost‍ '​s many readers about the activities of the Arbitration Committee in a non-partisan manner. Please review the article, and, if you have any concerns, feel free to leave them in the Comments section directly below the main body of text, where they will be read by a member of the editorial team. Please only edit the article yourself in the case of grievious factual errors (making sure ot note such changes in the comments section), as well as refraining from edit-warring or other uncivil behaviour on project pages generally. Thank you. On behalf of The Signpost‍ '​s editorial team, LivingBot (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Please consider my comments about you here. --Tenmei (talk) 06:57, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


Dear Ms Oda Mari, I'm not your enemy on WiKi. Could you please just keep our edit conflict within the "Senkaku Islands"? Thank you. STSC (talk) 11:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) A bit of お黙り! on STSC's part looks more appropriate here. Just sayin'. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:04, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant

Dear Oda-san: I saw your edit, but restored most of the text from my edit that preceded yours. This pertained to the revelation that the plant's site was lowered due to economic considerations, and that tsunami risk was ignored at the time of construction. Most people I know here in Japan consider that information highly material and shocking, which may also be why Japan Times put it on their front page. However, JT was slow to discover it: it had already been revealed during Golden Week, more than 2 months before JT's story. Among the mainstream media only Tokyo Shimbun (and an Asahi TV wide show) picked up the item, because it was released on a "press holiday" here; but numerous Japanese-language blogs found it within a few hours. The citation to the story from May 5 therefore seems at least as pertinent as the date of the JT story, since it reflects when most people in Japan had access to this information (and in a language they could understand), and it relies on the same informant as the JT story. Moreover, citing the JT story in isolation is somewhat misleading, since the story creates the false impression that the authors had found a scoop, when actually it was old news. I did agree with your reference to unnecessary commentary, though, as it related to the footnote, so in deference to that I omitted most of my earlier comments within the cite. Thanks & よろしくお願します -- Ajsutter gaiben (talk) 10:14, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I rewrote your addition.
  • I removed the Tokyo Shimbun link. WP is not a place to show who reported the information first. This is en WP and en source is preferable. The JT article has all the information needed in the section.
  • You don't understand the difference between an encyclopedia article and a news article.Toyota's regretful "what if" excuses are not needed in the article as Wikipedia is not a newspaper.
  • Your writing was too sloppy.
    It's not Toyoda, but Toyota. See [35], [36], and [37].
    He didn't use the words "cost efficiency”. (取水)効率がいい/efficient and 都合がいい/convenient cannot be translated as "cost efficiency”. Please do not write information based on your own interpretation.
    According to JT, it was Hiroshi Kaburaki, then deputy head of the Tepco's construction office at the Fukushima No. 1 plant, wrote in a magazine in January 1969 "We decided to build the plant at ground level after comparing the ground construction costs and operating costs of the circulation water pumps".
    If you add some information, please write accurately and precisely, especially when quotes somebody's remark. Oda Mari (talk) 09:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Your citation of "Wikipedia is not a newspaper" is not apposite to this case, since none of the three exceptions it describes applies to the substance at issue. But more fundamentally: nothing entitles you to adopt the tone you have done in your response. You appear not to know how to return courtesy for courtesy.Ajsutter gaiben (talk) 13:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands closed

An arbitration case regarding Senkaku Islands has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

  1. User:Tenmei is indefinitely topic banned from the subject of Senkaku Islands, widely construed. The topic ban includes talk pages, wikipedia space and userspace.
  2. Tenmei is advised that his unusual style of communication has not been conducive to resolving this dispute. Accordingly, Tenmei is urged to develop a different style of communication, which is more similar to that used by experienced Wikipedia editors. Until this happens, Tenmei is advised not to engage in topics which are the subject of a dispute.
  3. Tenmei is banned for one year.
  4. User:Bobthefish2 is topic banned from the subject of Senkaku Islands, widely construed, for one year. The topic ban includes talk pages, wikipedia space and user space.
  5. User:STSC is warned to avoid any sexualisation of discussions, especially during disputes.
  6. The parties are reminded that attempts to use Wikipedia as a battleground may result in the summary imposition of additional sanctions, up to and including a ban from the project.
  7. The topic covered by the article currently located at Senkaku Islands, interpreted broadly, is placed under standard discretionary sanctions. Any uninvolved administrator may levy restrictions as an arbitration enforcement action on users editing in this topic area, after an initial warning.
  8. An uninvolved administrator may, after a warning given a month prior, place any set of pages relating to a territorial dispute of islands in East Asia, broadly interpreted, under standard discretionary sanctions for six months if the editing community is unable to reach consensus on the proper names to be used to refer to the disputed islands.

    While a territorial dispute is subject to discretionary sanctions due to this remedy, any uninvolved administrator may levy restrictions as an arbitration enforcement action on users editing in these topical areas, after an initial warning.

For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 21:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Tiny self-outing

OK, OK, I admit it.

Mukashi-mukashi, when I lived in Japan, three gaikokijin - an American guy, an Australian bloke, and an American woman, all of whom had all majored in Japanese - attended classes in "Advanced Conversational Japanese" at OXOX Institute of Languages in Nishi-Shinjuku. Our textbook was The Adventures of Lee and Clark.

Our "sensei" was an a Senior High School English teacher, completely fluent in English, who was moonlighting as a Japanese teacher, saving up to buy a house and get married. And his o-shumi was calligraphy.

The American guy had lived in Taiwan for five years, and was fascinated with obscure kanji and Japanese slang. The Australian bloke was fascinated with obscure kanji and Japanese slang. And the American woman learned how to say in many variations both in English and Japanese, "Listen you kanji and slang nerds, I'm here to learn Advanced Conversational Japanese."

--Shirt58 (talk) 12:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


I want to acknowledge your many helpful comments.

I appreciated your efforts; and my participation the project was affected by your investments of time and thought. Thank you. --Tenmei (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Why do you insist on removing my Akita's puppy picture from this page. Why don't you just add both of them then and stop being so ridiculous already! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Another naming order discussion

Oda Mari, would you mind taking a look at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Japan-related_articles#Name_order (topmost discussion) too? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 18:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for clarifying this. I took the source and statement straight from Akita, if you would like to remove it. Cheers, gmipTalk.

Thank you for letting me know. I removed the trivia from the Akita (dog) page too. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 14:50, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Nautical charts

I remember that you've mentioned before that you think that major national nautical charts from the US, UK, etc. all use "Senkaku Islands" on their charts. We know the US does, because the United States Board on Geographic Names uses SI. Do you know for certain that other countries use SI? If not, do you know how to find out? I think that would be a great help in supporting the case in favor of the SI name for those articles. Apologies if I've already asked you this before. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I learn the information when I called here. I think it was last year or this year. The man I talked with said US, UK, and Australia used Senkaku Shoto/Islands on their chart. I asked about Canada and New Zealand but he said he didn't know about them. I trust his words. There is no reason to think that he told me a lie. You can see the US chart at Nautical Charts Online. Choose "Myako-jima to Tai Wan" and zoom the chart, then you can see the name Senkaku Shotō on the upper middle of the chart. Sorry, I have no idea if other countries have such a site. Oda Mari (talk) 08:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
For the UK, Admiralty Notice to Mariners [38] has Senkaku Shotō. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. Oda Mari (talk) 09:37, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I wish to inquire you something »Ai Shoujo Pollyanna Monogatari«

Oda Mari:

Many salutations!!! I am very grateful to you for your efforts to polish the Japanese text on the »Ai Shoujo Pollyanna Monogatari« episode synopsis page; still, I do have to object to your renaming of the second ending song from »Shiawase« to »Kōfuku«. From what source do you see your rationale for that renaming? I would like that pointed out so that a reference can be added.

Dairi no Kenkyo (talk) 00:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi! You are right about the song title. I checked the song title. See [39] (see the small furigana in white above the 幸福 on the second image) and [40]. The correct title would be 幸福 (しあわせ). Because it's not the standard reading. 幸福 reads only as こうふく/kōfuku. See [41] and [42]. So I thought it kōfuku. But the songwriter seems to want it read as shiawase. It is exceptional but acceptable. However I think it should be included in the title. How about two 幸福 in episode titles? Do you have any source of their reading? If it's also the reading used in episode titles, it might be better to use (しあわせ) in the ja title on the list. Oda Mari (talk) 08:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism from South Korea

Two users Greatkorea77 and are vandalizing two articles. Greatkorea77 vandalizes few articles with unexplained deletions; vandalizes The Four Major Rivers Project with an unsourced pro-government content. Judging from their actions, they're likely Korean ultranationalists. Please be careful. Komitsuki (talk) 01:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

My supposed vandalism in the article "Netsuke"

It seems that you have some trouble identifying animals. The netsuke is not in the shape of "a monkey" but represents two puppies - beyond any doubt. 15:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schlechtmensch (talkcontribs)

Sorry, but you are wrong. The netsuke has no Japanese dogs' ears. See shiba Inu and Akita (dog). Tosa (dog) has not triangular eras, but the dog's face is not round. Japanese Chin has long hair. Compare monkey netsuke and puppy netsuke. Oda Mari (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Bai Juyi vs. Li Bai

Quick question, are you sure about Bai Juyi regarding this image (as you wrote here)? I am asking, since I can't find that name in the diary, however there is Li Bai mentioned (as "Li T'ai Po") in that same diary in a context that very much matches the painting. To add another source (which I can only make little sense of), the corresponding text should be in 第6段詞 of 蜂須賀家本 of this. bamse (talk) 22:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC) On the other hand other sources (historical that talk about the life of Murasaki Shikibu) seem to mention that she was teaching Bai Juyi, so I am now tending to believe that the name has been incorrectly translated in the diary. bamse (talk) 09:46, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

(ec)Yes, I am. His name is not in the text, but the title of the book as "文集/Bunsyuu (Bunshū)" is. It can be found near the 3/4 and near the bottom on these pages. 【四 日本紀の御局と少女時代回想】 and 【4 A nickname Nihongi-no-mitsubone】. The book (71 volumes, original was 75 vol but 4 vol were lost) of Bai Juyi' s poems is called ja:白氏文集 or simply 『文集』. Look at this Kotobank (encyclopedia by Asahi Shimbun) page. Yahoo translation. You can see "a Mr. white collection of works". Mr. White is 白居易 as 白 is white, you know. And see this page. Translation. See this page in ja of a Chinese site too. Translation. If you have any question, why don't you mail to Prof. Shibuya? He may answer. See the bottom of the page. As for the EL page in en, I think it's a mistake. Oda Mari (talk) 09:49, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply. I am convinced that it is Bai Juyi. bamse (talk) 10:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster

Nonsense Reasoning all explained and referenced entries with much more before like 3 tables and 4 pictures nonsense clearly only "likely a first catatstrophe" for 9.0 quake and 14m killer tsunami and Areva Help with own reference good side. Kay Uwe Böhm (talk) 20:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The carnage @ »Romeo no Aoi Sora«

Oda Mari . . .

(does an advanced-stage slow burn)

. . .

When I saw your 20 @ December 2011 actions to the »Romeo no Aoi Sora« episode synopsis page, I figured that you were having a terrible time of Winter Break 2011 or that you had an internal hardware malfunction such as constipation or a particularly turbulent menstrual cycle that caused you to do what you did; while the romanji and kanji episode titles can be done without, your editing of the song titles along with the synthesis data has now rendered that data of null utility. You accuse me of being »disruptive and it's not helpful to readers nor to other editors« . . . I have no need for this impute, so I am returning it to you. Your vandalism is a much greater threat to English Wikipedia than my efforts to compose romanji/kanji episode titles, Oda Mari . . . furthermore, there is also an element of possible hypocrisy at play. Since you are so hot and bothered about the romanji and kanji, should I have summoned you for proofreading? More to the point, would I end up with a bad case of buyer's remorse and an even worse hangover for having done so? All the available evidence points to the answer to that question as a resounding »ABSOLUTELY!!!«

Oda Mari . . . keeping in mind that ANYONE can synthesize an article here on Wikipedia, your actions have led to the genesis of one other hypothesis: YOU, compadre, have acted in the destructive manner that you did because you cannot compose squat!!! You only wish that you could compose from scratch an episode synopsis page not unlike the one you just vandalized; unfortunately, you keep hitting the wall of reality that such is simply not within your cerebral software like it is for me. Keeping in line with this hypothesis, I propose you a challenge: if the romanji/kanji is such an issue for you, why do you not compose your own episode synopsis page for »Romeo no Aoi Sora« FROM SCRATCH?!? What this means is that you have to personally type every bit of the required code . . . copying and pasting the code that I used is absolutely forbidden. You have all of Winter Break 2011 ahead of you, so time should not be an issue. I shall expect a euphoric epilogue.

Dairi no Kenkyo (talk) 23:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Like I told you the first time and like I told Nihonjoe what I told you . . . if the romanji and kanji is such an issue for you, then YOU compose that ENTIRE article from scratch like I did. Furthermore, your failure to replace faulty romanji/kanji with functional has rendered the »Romeo no Aoi Sora« song data of absolutely null utility; finish the repair job!!! That is why I declared you a vandal.

Dairi no Kenkyo (talk) 08:18, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

A picture addition.

If you got angry im really sorry. I have no intention of being bad. Have a nice day. --FriedC (talk) 10:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

o-negai itashimasuuu

Hi Oda-sensei. Could you possibly have a little look at Kobe City Archives? I hope I haven't fuddled it up to much. --Shirt58 (talk) 11:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi! You've done a good job! I couldn't find anything wrong with your edits. But I found the names of Japanese news paper are not correctly romanized, and I'll correct them within a few days. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 15:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again. And completely off-topic-but, I can't find anything on YouTube about that circa 1993 "bazaru de gozaru" commercial. Remember that one? --Shirt58 (talk) 10:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Which 1993 "bazaru de gozaru" commercial are you talking about? [43]. [44], [45], or [46]? Oda Mari (talk) 16:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

English to Japanese clarification

Hi Mari! Please see Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#English_to_Japanese_questions as I added some clarification regarding "Part A" and "Part B" Thank you very much for your help! WhisperToMe (talk) 05:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the heads up! I made some changes to the Commons thread at Commons:Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Japanese_versions_of_diagrams WhisperToMe (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
You mixed up "Section" with "Part". I corrected them at Commons. Oda Mari (talk) 14:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Late Spring

I would be honored to invite you, as an obviously very knowledgeable person on Japanese culture and a participant in the Japanese Cinema Task Force, to review the article I have edited on Yasujiro Ozu's Late Spring. I have worked on the article for about eight months, beginning on June 12, 2011. Although it is quite long, I believe that the importance of Late Spring both within the career of Yasujiro Ozu and within the overall history of Japanese cinema more than justifies the length. Indeed, there is quite a bit of detail that I felt I needed to omit.

I wanted the reader with little or no knowledge of Japanese film history to understand: a) the significance of the Shomin-geki genre and the importance of Ozu to that genre; b) the pressures on filmmakers during the American Occupation and its censorship, and how Ozu dealt with those pressures; c) the central importance of both the screenwriter Kôgo Noda and the actress Setsuko Hara on this film and on the director's late period films in general; d) the importance of the theme of tradition versus modernity in this film; e) the central importance to the movie of the Noh play scene (which actually gave the film its title, as is explained there); f) Ozu's complex and subtle approach to characterization, and the relationship of the characters to traditional Japanese archetypes (e.g., the patriarchal father); g) the uniqueness of Ozu's visual style; and h) the ambiguous nature of what he achieved, which is open to many (and contradictory) interpretations.

What I'd like to request that you do is: a) suggest possible improvements to the article and b) after corrections, possibly support my attempt to promote the article as a Featured Article, which I intend to do quite soon.

I hope that I can get the article on Late Spring to the point where it sets some kind of standard for a Wikipedia cinema article.


Dylanexpert (talk) 04:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for helping out on my talk page. Would you mind looking at this topic and seeing if you can find anything about this? The Japanese title of the battle seems odd to me, and I can't find any information on the sources used in the article. I appreciate any help. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


If elaborate, it's not a blatant hoax of the sort that this criterion is meant to delete — the criterion is meant for something that anyone can see is a hoax (e.g. "Jinbo learned how to fly and killed all his enemies by dropping them into the ocean, and then he competed in the Olympic Games"), not for something that requires a substantial explanation. Please send them to AFD if you wish to have them deleted. Nyttend (talk) 14:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Shiba Inu, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 07:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Please do not accuse people of vandalism by using a vandalism template. Some of your edits are not constructive. I removed some trivial dog's name. Thank you. Auchansa (talk) 03:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) OK, we've established what the problem is, lets focus on finding a solution. Are you both happy with Qwyrxian's solution? 画蛇添足? --Shirt58 (talk) 13:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Why delete hair loss addition?

On what basis did you remove my additions to causes of hair loss and treatments? I understand the link removal, but that does not mean you have the right to remove anything you see in your sight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Source206 (talkcontribs) 13:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

It was unsourced. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Japanese translation help at the help desk

Hi Oda Mari. Since you were so helpful when I was doing Masako Katsura (thanks again), when I saw a request for a short Japanese translation at the help desk where I edit quite a bit, I though you might be willing to step in since it looks like something that would be quite easy for a fluent speaker. See Wikipedia:Help desk#Asking a question in Japanese. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Consensus ?

  1. Please explain what consensus we need.
  2. Adding State Department report is not original research. Please explain why remove entire article[47] The article existed long before my edit.[48]

--Y00tu (talk) 14:04, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

"you think the addition is needed ask for consensus first on the talk page"--from Oda Mari

I think YOU must explain what consensus we need. --Y00tu (talk) 14:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

No consensus ? No discussion with this topic? --Y00tu (talk) 14:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

As for consensus, please read WP:CONS. See also WP:RS. The article is about what the report was. Your addition seems to be Korean claims and interpretation of the report, only using Korean sources. Neither Japanese nor Korean interpretation of the report should not be included in the report article as WP has the dispute article and both Japanese and Korean claims are mentioned there. See Liancourt Rocks dispute. I agree with Qwyrxian's deletion as WP is not a soapbox. Read WP:UNDUE. See also WP:3RR. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The current/After 1954 US. govt. stance is no disputable fact. They take a neutral stance. Are you sure the source is not reliable ? --Y00tu (talk) 14:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
IMO, that should be in the dispute article. Not in the report article. Because the report was not "Liancourt Rocks report". It's undue weight to focus on the islets part. If you disagree with me use the article talk page, not here. I'll answer there. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 14:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Report of Van Fleet Mission to Far East, you may be blocked from editing. Please learn more about WP and do not add Japan POV on the report article. The US. Govt. stance changed. Deleteing cureent stance is JPOV. It would be WP:OR. In any event, you have no reverted on that article 3 times in the last 24 hours. If you revert again, you will break WP:3RR. --Y00tu (talk) 21:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I apologize Oda Mari, but because I am about to request that Y00tu be blocked for edit warring, I also have to ask that be blocked. You went to 4 reverts on that article, and POV pushing is not an exception to the 3RR rules. Next time, don't edit war, even when you are absolutely right per policies--instead, notify a noticeboard (WP:ORN, WP:RSN), or another user. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
First of all, On this case, POV pusher is Oda Mari. Second, You have no clue what is POV pusing. Adding US. govt. stance is not POV pushing. Third, My edit adding, correcting was not violate 3RR rule. However, Oda Mari exactly reverted 4 times without any consensus. --Y00tu (talk) 21:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Hello, Oda Mari. Another editor (two actually) reported you on WP:ANEW. I have chosen not to block you, but to issue a warning instead. In future, please remember that reverting violations of WP:NPOV is not a WP:3RR exemption. In these cases, you should stop reverting and follow WP:DR. Happy editing. Salvio Let's talk about it! 22:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I am very happy with this result. Again, I did not want to report you, Oda Mari, but I knew that if I didn’t, there was a good chance that a patrolling admin would not block Y00tu either, or fully protect the article, or something else bad. As you can see on the article and it’s talk page, I’ve decided that the whole section just needs to be removed. I will tackle the Rusk documents as soon as I have the opportunity. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your decision, Salvio. Stupid of me! I thought 4rr applied only in a case of the same content reverts. Now I learn what it is and I will be careful from now on. I don't mind your report, Qwyrxian. You've just done what you had to do. Both of you, happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 09:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

User hoax

I am sorry if you believe that I am the user "BradTaylor", but I am not that user, nor have I heard the name. As far as I am concerned, you believe that I am another alias of him, and that I am being used as an alternate username for him. I am not that user, I have not heard of him, and furthermore, I do not even know what articles he even composed until I looked at my message and looked at his user page to see his biography. He may be a coward using two other accounts other than his own, but I can assure you that I am not one of his fake identities. If you need to ask any questions, please do and I will be happy to answer them. Muneshige (talk) 19:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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List of gairaigo and wasei-eigo terms

You eliminated important word in the list of gairaigo and wasei-eigo terms. You wrote some are slang, not in dictionary, oh, no less Wasei Eigo is slang, it is not couth, but it is living language in Japanese, you don't get it. -- (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The list is already too long with trivial words and needs clean-up and I don't think your addition is appropriate. Because I think the list should consist of more general words as en:WP is not Wiktionary. I disagree with you. The words are not important. Please provide sources if you think they are important. I don't think the words are widely used or household nouns. In other words, I think neither 8-year-old children nor 80-year men and women use them in daily life basis. Besides, the addition was unsourced. You didn't alphabetize when you added them. Please do not ignore the format of the list. If you still think the addition is needed, provide reliable sources and ask for consensus on the inclusion on the article talk page first. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:41, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I understand your POV, but wikipedia is public institutions not the public place indicate personal feeling, you should wait before recasting for the advice of others. Your vandalism will break the peace of community. ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC) ←variable ID. indicate identiy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Sock Puppet?

I've been offline for a couple weeks, and you start a sock puppet accusation against me? Are you really that petty? Are you so mad that I insulted your lack of experience with Japanese history study? I'm shocked that things have escalated to this point. --BradTraylor (talk) 05:45, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

If you have something to say, please bring the matter to WP:ANI or anywhere you'd think appropriate. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 10:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Obviously this is the appropriate place, since your vendetta against me has caused you to continually assault and harass me for the past two months, going so far as to bring up ridiculous "sock puppet" allegations that were doomed to fail since I have not used any other accounts. Why are you so petty? I think that is a fair question, as no reasonable person would go to the extreme lengths that you have to attack me. --BradTraylor (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Moero! Top Striker

Hi Oda Mari. If you don't mind can you help expanding this article a little bit? Story, Video game... My English is not the best, so I don't want to add crappy text. I will add the Episodes later. Thanks in advance. --Hydao (talk) 00:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

About List of mayors of Busan City and other things

Hi Oda-sensei and a big kamsahnamnida for this message. Wikipedia sure is educational: the only word in hangul I could recognise before I started here was "시드니", which was on the sign of a little shop a few doors down when I lived in 시드니. --Shirt58 (talk) 15:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

About edit on Geiko/Maiko/Geisha article

Hi, I am aware of those two ways to read and write 芸妓=げいぎ and 舞子=まいこ. The problem is that in reality people do not use those terms to refer to these artists. For example, in Kyoto they called themselves Geiko and write it 芸妓, and they don't use the word Geigi. Most of the people I have talked about this matter in Kyoto also didn't use the term Geigi neither. The word Geigi can be included in the article, but there should be a clarification regarding the terms that are actually used. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rica chan (talkcontribs) 03:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I know you are right about the incorrect reading of the kanji in Kyoto. Do you have any RS? If you have, add the information to the article. I'd try to find any when I have spare time. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 09:17, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Korean Peninsula

I saw your reverts of User:Rladudtnr on Sea of Japan, and those were of course correct. But I when I checked the user's other contributions, I also so your reverts on Korean Peninsula. Does that article fall under point 5 of WP:NC-SoJ, and thus shouldn't that article say "East Sea (Sea of Japan)"? Or am I missing something? Qwyrxian (talk) 07:15, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Did I make a mistake? I thought the article was an international article as it was categorized as Peninsulas of Asia. Is it an internationally geographical article or a country/domestic article of two Koreas? Please let me know if it was my mistake. I'll correct. Oda Mari (talk) 07:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Not a mistake, since you just reverted back to the stable version; but I'm thinking the stable version is wrong. Technically that article is about a geographical space, but since that geographical space is identical to the two Koreas (less the islands they own), it seems more appropriate to classify it as a "Korean" article to me. Plus, that just seems "nicer", and doesn't look like we're trying to push the Japanese POV onto articles primarily associated with Korea. We can always ask somewhere; probably the MOS on geo naming is the best place to get a fair, neutral opinion. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Point 5 of WP:NC-SoJ says "For all Korea and South Korea articles use..." and I take "Korea" as historical Korea, Korea before the division, and think the peninsula article falls under both point 5 and 6. I don't think North Korean editors, if there's any, like "East Sea (Sea of Japan)". Oda Mari (talk) 16:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I started a discussion at WT:Naming conventions (geographic names). Qwyrxian (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Anti-Japanese sentiment

Hello Oda Mari. I left my opinion for a racial slur at Talk:Anti-Japanese sentiment#Korean slur, Jjokbari. Please join the discussion. You're more than welcome to enlighten me on the topic. PBJT (talk) 19:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello again, Oda Mari. This is a friendly reminder that I have added more of my thoughts to the discussion page. Your opinion is definitely valuable, and I hope you could take some time to review it. Please feel free to comment. Many Thanks. --- PBJT (talk) 14:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


(No, I'm not suggesting that!) Whereas you approve of 「が」, my wife prefers 「は」; please feel free to disagree with her, of course, but anyway please take a second look at this if you have a free moment. Thanks. -- Hoary (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Must not get distracted...

Wow! How did you find the zh.wp article? I looked all over for it. (Note to self: must continue to work on articles about sport in India... must not get distracted by article on Chinese admiral... must continue to work on articles about sport in India... must not get distracted by article on Chinese admiral... )--Shirt58 (talk) 07:14, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

It was easy. From the admiral's article, I went to Chinese turret ship Dingyuan and jumped to ja and zh article. Then I found the link to his article was red at ja, but I could jump to the admiral article at zh. Just like that! Must not get distracted...? Think about a pink elephant. Oda Mari (talk) 08:12, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Canvassing at Murasaki Shikibu

The page is of interest to four wikiprojects: Biography, Japan, Middle Ages, and Women's history, but only Wiki Project Japan has been canvassed notified. To avoid an impression of impartiality, it would be best to notify all the projects or none of them. Additionally, because you've canvassed FAC reviewers, it should be posted at FAC Talk as well. I'm letting you know here in case this message is lost on the article talk page. Thanks. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The RFC page says "...the first step in resolving a dispute is to talk to the other parties involved". So I asked FAC reviewers as I wanted to hear their opinion because they didn't comment about the image selection on FAC and I didn't think it was canvassing and didn't know FAC talk was the appropriate place. As for WP projects, I simply didn't think of other projects. I think I did what I had to do. Thank you for the advice. Oda Mari (talk) 16:46, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
In fact I'm the other party involved, so it would have been nice to leave a courtesy notice on my page. Because you chose to leave messages only with FAC reviewers, then it becomes a FAC issue. And yes, all the projects should be notified. Notifying only one, of which you are a member, seems inappropriate. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Quick help on Japanese spelling or Rui-be

Greetings, can you spare a second to type up the Japanese spelling of the Ainu dish Rui-be? It's here in this book: [49]. Thanks for your help! MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:19, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As far as I know, it's exactly as you've already written in the article, Rui-be or ruibe (ルイベ ruibe?). There appears to be a Unicode extension of katakana for the Ainu syllabary, but it comes up as mojibake in Firefox 13.0.0 or whatever the build-number I'm using.--Shirt58 (talk) 13:06, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
ps: Oda-sensei, next time you're on-line, you might like to check out Bojihwayangdong buralsongseonsaeng, where Heo Mok teh Pwned Song Siyeol :-) --Shirt58 (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Uh what?

I never made any edits to Wikipedia for like over a year now. ._. (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Debate over the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Quation fraud. Look it up, for Christ' sake!--Robertmossing (talk) 19:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:0RR at Debate over the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

As you were a recent participant in an edit war at the above-named article I am taking the opportunity to warn you formally that the article is now under a no-reverts rule. This means that from now on anyone making a revert will be blocked instantly without further warning, except in cases of really obvious vandalism. Instead of reverting, you should consider trying for compromise either by drafting a good-faith compromise in the article, or discussing towards one in talk. Edit-warring deters other editors and poisons the atmosphere that we need to edit constructively. Please do not do it.--John (talk) 15:28, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, looks like you have a history of changing things, when they may not be the best for the content of Wikipedia. Whats up skip (talk) 06:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


突然すみません。Comfort Womenの項目からきました。私自身が英語が全く得意ではないため、「英語Wikiが編集できる、日本語のわかる人」からご意見などを賜れればと思う場面が多々あり、悶々としておりました。宜しければ今後ご相談させていただけないかと思い、メッセージを残させていただきます。ひとまずご挨拶まで。是非今後ともよろしくお願いいたします。Wingwrong (talk) 08:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Mari! Have you seen Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Additional_Chinese_requests:_Warehouse_building? I'm trying to find the Chinese characters on a warehouse building that I photographed Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 17:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Yes, I have. See the desk. As for the meaning of the words, I'll try to find them later. Oda Mari (talk) 17:49, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

How to wear a Yukata

If you don't think the article is useful or the best (it provides details not included in Wikipedia), then add another link or replace the link I added. Better still write a better article. Don't just rip out what someone else has done, it is being lazy and rude, plus it doesn't help anyone. Whats up skip (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

2012 China anti-Japanese demonstrations

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Diaoyu Islands links

Please stop edits like this, this and this. First of all, piped links are not broken, have useful purposes, and don't need to be "fixed". The move requests at the Diaoyu/Pinnacle Islands page only concerns the title of that page, and not what we call it on other articles. While software limitations mean that a Wikipedia article can only have one title, we can and should offer alternative names when they are relevant.

On articles concerning China, it is especially relevant to mention as a supplement, if not exclusively use, the name that China uses. Also, it's clearly counterproductive to excise all mentions of "Diaoyu Islands" on an article titled, "China Federation for Defending the Diaoyu Islands", without which it doesn't make any sense. Neutral writers in academic and scholarly contexts note that "Senkaku" is a Japanese-language name, and always mention "Diaoyu" as an alternative name, if not using it as a primary name (as many Anglophones do when writing about China).

If you want to bring together a cross-viewpoint consensus on how to name these islands in our articles, I will gladly recommend WikiProject East Asia as a forum for mutual compromise. However, Wikipedia's core pillar of NPOV supersedes the Japanese government's insistence to deny that such a dispute exists at all, while ceding zero ground on sovereignty. Right now there is no guideline comparable to WP:NC-SoJ (and that method of "voting" to enforce some national terminology pan-wiki is quite outdated). Therefore, unless you offer some seriously compelling refutation to the above, I will revert your efforts to make the Japanese name for the disputed isles the sole terminology mentioned on Wikipedia. Shrigley (talk) 01:24, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I think this will answer your comment. The use of the double name is not allowed at the present. The en name of the islands is Senkaku Islands. Outdated or not, WP:NC-SoJ does not allow piped links. If you think the guideline of Senkaku Islands is needed, bring the matter at somewhere appropriate when the ban lifted in 2013. Oda Mari (talk) 05:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Qwyrxian is probably referring to this RfC, which asks for the name of the title of the article. It was closed with a move to forbid the initiation of move requests until January 1, 2013. There was no mechanism to consult the community on enforcing that only the Japanese name and POV be represented in the article text of other articles; indeed, there is no mechanism on Wikipedia to do anything like this, because it breaks a core pillar. Both your[50] and Qwyrxian's[51] "warnings" threatening blocks against users[52][53] who try to represent all points of view are absolutely unenforceable. In fact, I consider your systematic efforts to erase the term "Diaoyu" coupled with harassment of opponents to be tendentious editing not in the spirit of the arbitration case. If you don't stop this activity, I will ask for the application of discretionary sanctions. Shrigley (talk) 08:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hachikō statue photo

I understand the reasons for previous deletes of the photograph of the Hachikō statue. These files were on Commons and violated Japanese copyright law of pieces of artwork. The image I added is however uploaded to English Wikipedia and clearly labelled as Non-free content. From my understanding of copyright rules non-commercial use is allowed. Do you still believe this image cannot be added to the article? --Traveler100 (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not know much about the Copyright law of the United States, and am not sure whether it is possible to use the image or not at en:WP. I suggest asking the question at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 09:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion

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Russian tracker

Please take a look when you have the time. I think that the picture from the Mason book (page 88), which is out of copyright, should be added. They did that for Icelandic Sheepdog. I haven't done that. If assistance is appropriate, it would be humbly appreciated. As always, your editorial input would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen () 16:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I was busy at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. I'll check the book later. Please wait. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Done. Oda Mari (talk) 08:39, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


hi there,

I am not quite sure what your apology is for, but I am sure it's nothing to apolgise about, no worries. cheers Gryffindor (talk) 10:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Koreans in Japan

Hello, Oda Mari. I'm wondering why you reverted the edit I made on the "Koreans In Japan" article. Whitewashing is a rather serious accusation and I would like to know what you define as whitewashing and why the edit I made fell under that lable.

Anyway:Italian-American Gangsters are more famous that Korean-Japanese, but why isn't there any "Criminal" lable on the front page? Could you please explain to me why different "X decendants in Y country" articles should have different standards when they represent such descendants. Sege44 (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I answered at Talk:Koreans in Japan#List of famous Koreans in Japan. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 20:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Bamboo sheath or bamboo leaf

Hi, Oda Mari. Bamboo sheath is this, while bamboo leaf is this. I think it is hard to wrap onigiri with a bamboo leaf. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I see. Thank you for pointing that out. I undid my edit. Cheers! Oda Mari (talk) 09:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The Belated RD Barnstar

Refdesk barnstar candidate2.png The Reference Desk Barnstar
I award you this Barnstar for aiding so many people looking for help with Japanese, Japan-related questions, and much more in the Reference Desks for many years. I'm sure you alone have helped me on multiple occasions over the years, so I can't imagine how many others like me have been grateful for your help. I thought you'd have one if not many of these already, so that's why I think it's overdue. Thank you! --Kreachure (talk) 19:59, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Wow! It's too marvelous for words. It's my pleasure to help someone who wants to know about Japan and its culture. Thank you very much for the barn star. Cheers! Oda Mari (talk) 09:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I'm not sure if I should reply here or in my own talk page, sorry. But I wanted to say that is another great video of the song, particularly for the subtitles, so thank you once again for your help. :) Kreachure (talk) 13:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

About the error in the article, "List of islands of Japan"

Hello. I have fixed the error in the article List of islands of Japan and deleted "Takeshima" under "The North-Western Group" because "Takeshima" is already categorized under "Others", thus, there are two Takeshima(s) going on in the article, which brings confusion and inaccurate information to the viewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:01, December 20, 2012

You are wrong. That one is another island called Takeshima. Oda Mari (talk) 08:54, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

So do i need the sources about the leaflets didn't mention about the A-bombs being dropped?

Is that all i needed to find, just like the Potsdam one for example. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 12:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

What made you think the leaflet was an A-bomb warning? It's a leaflet of an ordinary air raid warning. The translation did not mention "new bombs" nor "A-bombs". Hiroshima/広島 and Nagasaki/長崎 were not on the leaflet. Can you find the names? They were just two of 35 cities where the US dropped the leaflet. If you understand ja, read the original ja and show me 新型爆弾. 原子爆弾, or any word that can be associated with A-bombs. You can see the original ja at these links. [54], [55], and [56]. Some of the city names were different on the third link, a different version, but Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not included. The image is used in Air raids on Japan at ja:WP. Additionally. please check the past article talk. It was already talked several times before. I'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but the Global Security page is wrong and misleading. Oda Mari (talk) 17:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I NEVER think that the leaflet was an A-bomb warning. I posted it on the article stating that it was a warning to civilians that their cities would be targeted because they are a lot of readers out there i talked to thinked that the U.S. never gave them a fair warning about the air raids prior to the attack. Binksternet said that using global Security page is ok. And besides, i remember reading this page a long time ago that says, "For six months before the atomic bombings, the United States intensely fire-bombed 67 Japanese cities. Together with the United Kingdom and the Republic of China, the United States called for a surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration on July 26, 1945. The Japanese government ignored this ultimatum.
On July 26, Truman and other Allied leaders issued the Potsdam Declaration outlining terms of surrender for Japan. It was presented as an ultimatum and stated that without a surrender, the Allies would attack Japan, resulting in "the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland". The atomic bomb was not mentioned in the communique.
About an hour before the (Hiroshima) bombing, Japanese early warning radar detected the approach of some American aircraft headed for the southern part of Japan. An alert was given and radio broadcasting stopped in many cities, among them Hiroshima. At nearly 08:00, the radar operator in Hiroshima determined that the number of planes coming in was very small—probably not more than three—and the air raid alert was lifted.
Although the U.S. had previously dropped leaflets warning civilians of air raids on 35 Japanese cities, including Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the residents of Hiroshima were given no notice of the atomic bomb. Most people probably assumed these leaflets were warning of the kind of carpet bombing carried out in Tokyo and other cities.
After the Hiroshima bombing, President Truman issued a statement announcing the use of the new weapon, and promising that:
"If they do not now accept our terms, they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth. Behind this air attack will follow sea and land forces in such numbers and power as they have not yet seen and with the fighting skill of which they are already well aware."
I don't know what happened to that when residents in Hiroshima was given no warning of the A-bombs? And if you think that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki wasn't targeted nor warned of the air raids, then what is the point of having the "The US had previously dropped leaflets warning civilians of air raids on 35 Japanese cities, including Hiroshima and Nagasaki" sentence on the "Choice of Targets" section then? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 01:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
If you never think that the leaflet was an A-bomb warning, why did you added the information to the A-bomb article? It's irrelevant. It should be added to the Air raids on Japan. Oda Mari (talk) 07:32, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Matcha - Other Uses and Commercialization

I understand taking out the direct outside company link, but I do think adding a new section under Commercialization would be a worthwhile addition to inform people about what's currently being done with matcha. Below is what I would like to introduce on the matcha page.
Because of matcha’s many inherent benefits and gaining popularity amongst the consumer segment, a number of companies have developed and introduced new consumer products using matcha as the main ingredient in their formulation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:42, December 24, 2012

Please do not use the link that would be an advert. If you want to add the information to the article, please find reliable sources. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:19, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi, if you have a moment your comment would be appreciated at Talk:Nemuri-neko#Japanese_name. (I hope you don't mind me contacting you via your talk page, but I think that article is low-traffic and might not attract any answer otherwise. I remembered you are Japanese as in the past you have answered some of my questions at the language ref. desk.) (talk) 00:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Replied at the talk page. You are always welcome here! Oda Mari (talk) 07:56, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, as it happens there is another point at Talk:Transcription into Japanese#Formatting in the Extended Katakana table has become confused that you may be able to help with if you have the time and interest. (talk) 21:27, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


Re this, are you sure you didn't misunderstand? The proposed change brings the article in line with the manual of style. JoshuSasori (talk) 08:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

The Prince Jinan editor

I just wanted to let you know early that from Tuesday (Japan time), I'll be mostly unable to edit Wikipedia for about a week. When the Prince Jinan editor (now operating out of a bunch of IPs) pops up again, you'll need to find another admin to take care of it; personally, I always find WP:Future Perfect at Sunrise to be a good choice as he doesn't put up with crap from nationalist POV pushers. I've already requested the the external link he's adding be put on the spam blacklist; that usually takes a few days or a week. At some point we simply may need to protect all of the effected articles, even though it's such a large number. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

OK. I'll take care of the user. Oda Mari (talk) 16:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


Hey, I really liked your comment on WikiProject Japan. There seem to be a few users ( user...) who have been going around finding flimsy excuses to move pages to non-macron titles. However, like Captain America I have only recently emerged from a long sleep, and I feel a bit out of time. Back in 2006, we could get away with naming or renaming any articles with a good argument, and this "reliable sources" thing for even the most trivial things like romanization seems to be a new development. I don't like it.

Anyway, I would be very interested in discussing this issue with you further, either on the project page, or here, or on my talk page. I really hope those of us on the side of reason and consistency can find a way to stop this silliness.

Otagai ganbarimashō! (Otagai gambarimasyou?笑)

elvenscout742 (talk) 14:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

FAN: Lady Saigō

Hello Oda Mari, I have nominated the article Lady Saigō for FA status. Your comments would be appreciated at the FAC Discussion page. Thank you. Boneyard90 (talk) 11:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Prince Jinan

  • You are making a mistake. In Goryue history Prince Jinan is notable as he was the last general secretary to the last king of Goryue Dynasty. His father was also the first king of Chosun dynasty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:47, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Prince Jinan is the most prominent member of House of Yi. Prince Jinan is the eldest member of House of Yi. When we consider house of Yi, Prince Jinan is the most prominent member because King Taejo himself is not counted as a member clan of the house, but considered as the founder.
  • Prince Jinan’s record is well documented in Annals of Chosun Dynasty. There is some correlation of use of Annals of Chosun Dynasty and Prince Jinan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Prince Jinan is the eldest member of House of Yi. Korean Empire and House of Yi is related, and the most prominent member of House of Yi is Prince Jinan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
No, he did not play an important role in the history. Your addition was undue weight. Oda Mari (talk) 16:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
What do you know about him? You don’t really understand Korean history. There are more information on Korean Prince Jinan page than on English Prince Jinan page, and most of the information that you are editing is inaccurate. Please, tell us what you know about him. Plus, his title is not Grand, but it is Great. You should check the facts against your imaginations. Check the information from the website of official web page of Jenoju Lee Royal Family Association at If you do not have a negative feeling about Prince Jinan, then I do not think you would be destroying his page as you are doing right now. Wikipedia should not be a ground for biases. Yet, you are expressing your bias that he did not play an important role in Korean history. What do you know about Korean history? Do you know the Strife of Princes? Do you know the root causes? Do you understand what happened to Prince Jinan’s family member because they were so important in Korean history? You know nothing about the subject. Why are you editing Prince Jinan’s page?!

RE: Shonan Maru #2 edits

Hi, I still havent figured out why is there so much cover up about the place where the 3 Forest Rescue activist were arrested. There is GPS proof/footage from Sea Shepherd Conservation Society that the Shonan Maru #2 was adrift in Australian waters when it was boarded by the 3 Forest Rescue activist. So lets call a spade a spade and please stop censoring / covering up things on wikipedia that is supposed to be a free encyclopedia free of propaganda or any kind of biased articles. Sorry if I sound too harsh but it isnt the first time that I get that same change reversed on that page nor am I the only one that has noticed that wrong fact in that page and tried fixing it getting his change edtied later on.

Thank you, Tiago Sousa --Psydomin (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. See the source. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Re:Macrons or no macrons

Hi OM! :D

With regards to the concern both of us expressed on WPJ, I finally bit the bullet an posted a proposal to change the MOS to fix this problem. If you see fit, please feel free to chime in at any time here.


elvenscout742 (talk) 04:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

re: Help interviewing a Japanese WikiProject

Would you be willing to translate the questions and invite people to respond? I've posted the necessary tools on Nihonjoe's talkpage. –Mabeenot (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I see that you've got the translation ready. Have you had any luck getting the attention of the WikiProject's members? –Mabeenot (talk) 05:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Do you want me to invite the members at ja:WP to the Interviews8 page by posting on their talk page? Or just on the project page? I found Project:Baseball players. I think the most members overlap the project:baseball, but do you want me to check the members and if there are non-overlapping users, do you want me to invite them too? Do you mind if they answer in ja? I think it should be clarified if we accept answers in ja or only in en and I'd like to add it to the invitation. But please remember, I'm not good at ja to en translation. Translators usually translate the second language to the native language. Oda Mari (talk) 10:10, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
It would be fine to have answers in Japanese if it makes the interview more accessible for people who would like to participate. The stronger the response, the better the article will be. We can get help translating those answers later. The participants can answer directly to the questions on Interviews8 and we'll format it all later. We'll want to start by posting an invitation to the talk page of WikiProject Baseball, although posting at WikiProject Baseball players would also be good. If possible, we also want to post the invitation on the talk pages of a few users who seem particularly active in maintaining or responding to inquiries at these projects (check the history for the projects and their talk pages). This is my usual invitation message, but we'll want to tailor the message to fit this unique situation where Japanese editors are sharing their experiences with the English Wikipedia community. You've already done the hardest work, now we just need to let the project's members do the rest. –Mabeenot (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I think a special invitation message would work. We need an introduction to let them know what the Signpost is as they do not know it. Probably "The Signpost is a community-written and community-edited newspaper, covering stories, events and reports related to en:Wikipedia" from Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/About and its link would be helpful. I have no idea how active the project is, and thought it might be not bad to add a sentence to the invitation on the project page to invite non project members who check the project page like this one. "We welcome not only the project members but also any editors who interested in baseball too". What do you think? As for the talk page invitation, it's not difficult to post the message to all as there are not so many members. Oda Mari (talk) 09:34, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
All of these ideas sound good to me. –Mabeenot (talk) 05:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I'll write two different messages in ja, one for the project page and one for the talk page, in a day or two and then post them. Oda Mari (talk) 09:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Done. Oda Mari (talk) 09:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the response hasn't been terribly strong. We'll postpone the interview to give the project a little more time just in case someone else is planning to participate. If WikiProject Baseball doesn't pan out, would you be interested in trying another WikiProject at the Japanese Wikipedia? The Japanese WikiProject Biographies seems fairly active, but let me know if you know of any others that would be better. –Mabeenot (talk) 23:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I added a message to ask editors to join us. I'll help you, if WikiProject Baseball doesn't pan out. And I am asking someone in ja:WP as I do not know which projects are active. Oda Mari (talk) 08:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

japanese calligraphy


I'm a little bit confused. I have added a source for the history and materials about the japanese calligraphy which is in the book from Yuuko Suzuki, Japanese calligraphy, Search Press, 2005. I have also mentioned a book about the great painter Kyôsai written in 1911 by an english architect named Conder on the page "Japanese painting". I thought that these books were very helpful to understand japanese calligraphy and painting. Could you explain me more why I made a mistake ? Thank you very much. Best regards.

Kosetsu (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Even though she published a book, Yuuko Suzuki is a non-notable person. That's all. Sorry, but your edits are thought as promotion. Paintings and calligraphy are usually categorized differently. See [57]. Your edit on Japanese painting was irrelevant or undue weight on calligraphy. Oda Mari (talk) 15:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


I thank you for your answer. The british architect Conder has worked for more than ten years with the great painter Kôsai in Japan and he has written a book Painting and studies by Kawanabe Kyôsai which could be helpful to anyone who wants to understand the japanese painting : "The beginner's first exercise is in the drawing of various flexuous lines, by means of a large brush fully charged with ink, in order to gain strength and freedom of touch. He generally possesses some acquaintance with the manner of handing the brush, derived from his previous education in the writing of Chinese ideographs" p.27. The book of Yuuko Suzuki could help us to understand the japanese calligraphy. I have not seen an other source about japanese calligraphy on the page. I thought I was allowed to add a source. Anyway, I don't want to insist, and I respect your point of view. Best regards. Kosetsu (talk) 15:25, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

For the title, Ulleung Basin

hi, Oda Mari i surely understand what you told me that the manual style of Wikipedia articles and terms that i need to use thank you for letting me know the rule on here Yet, i wonder that the title of Tsushima Basin should be Ulleung Basin, since it's currently territory of Korea and associated with Ulleung islets. i do not think that the title must be Japanese when the title has a concern with Japan. it could be Korean, Chinese, and Russian.

P.S i am curious that you are a employed editor of Wikipedia as so, do you guys take care of such things related to this kind of articles? so then, are there Korean, Chinese, and/or Russian editors that take care and talk about those things with you?? just curious — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radiohead6395 (talkcontribs) 05:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

See the article talk page first. If the name Ulleung Basin is the most commonly used name in English speaking countries and it should be moved, please provide reliable sources and ask for consensus on the talk page. The association with Ulleungdo can not be the reason to move the article title. See Bonin Islands. They are Japanese islands and called Ogasawara Islands in Japan, but the common name in English is Bonin Islands. So we use B.I. at en:WP. Oda Mari (talk) 06:09, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Aoki Mariko phenomenon

Would you mind reviewing the information here and helping WPMED understand what this is and whether the sources on the Japanese page (ja:青木まりこ現象) are reliable? It would take me forever to figure out that articles (it's fairly large), and I figure you might be able to at least skim through it to get a decent idea much faster than I could. I appreciate any help. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Commons template Commons:Template:Closed cap

Hi, Mari! Are you fine with adding Japanese to the Commons template Commons:Template:Closed cap? Japanese is needed for the template Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 07:54, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi! It's OK to try, but it looks difficult as I do not know about the Commons templates and their style and terms. Can you provide an example template or two in ja? Oda Mari (talk) 15:57, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
It's a multilingual template. What happens is that one translates what is in English into Japanese. Here are the portions that need translating:
  1. download this video file (right click → save target as)
  2. download a subtitle file (.srt file format) from below (right click → save target as) to the same folder and name it (PAGENAME).srt
  3. view the video with VLC media player (subtitles will be usually be automatically shown)
Then each one is added to the code
WhisperToMe (talk) 17:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I can edit it correctly at the Commons. Is it OK to put the translation here? Then you can copy and paste it at the Commons. Oda Mari (talk) 09:17, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
It is fine if you put it here :) WhisperToMe (talk) 12:24, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Yasu found it and added Japanese to the template. Mari, thanks anyway :) WhisperToMe (talk) 05:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Concerning Titles

Hi. So if you don't want me to use "Grand Prince", what do YOU suggest the title I should use? And take note, I'm not a sock puppet of the user you just pointed out, I mainly operate on my own.

"Grand Prince" is a literal translation of daegun (대군 大君), and it was used for any and all legitemate sons of the King with his Queen Consort(s), distinguishing them from the other sons of the King with his concubines (who were merely called gun (군 君 lit. "Prince")). Though daegun is not a hereditary title, as it used only on the reigning monarch's legitemate sons; any male offspring descending from an unbroken male line from the King (excluding the Crown Prince and his own line), whether legitemate or not, were merely called gun as well.

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 09:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


Hello Mari,

I have just looked at the time and date of your posting on the 'Decipher Japanese Kanji' thread on the language desk, where I asked you to move it because it looked like an answer to me and not the OP. Please accept my apologies - it looks like you had written it before me, and hence it was my mistake, not yours. Sorry about that! :) Have a happy easter! KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 08:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't have to apologize. In fact, I wavered between posting under the OP's question and posting at the bottom of the thread when I posted the reply. But what was the appropriate way at WP? Have a happy 花見, if it's possible in UK! Oda Mari (talk) 15:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, we post directly under the particular part of the thread we are answering, I guess, with an extra ':' more than the one you are answering. Anyway, no cherry blossoms for us here, Mari - it was still snowing until two days ago! The weather forecast says it will be very cold until June this year..... Hopefully I will be back in sunny Japan by then! Have a Happy Easter! KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 23:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

RE: Matcha article

Hello Mari,

I wanted to discuss with you how it would be possible to edit the current page for Matcha as it is not clear regarding the process of how Matcha is made as well as the differences between the different kinds of leaves, etc. My company, Aiya America, is the world's largest producer of Matcha and we would like to improve the Wikipedia entry to be as correct as possible.

Please let me know how we can overhaul the article to be more clear and correct. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nishiomatcha (talkcontribs) 21:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia. If you have something to say, please use Talk:Matcha. If you have reliable sources, be bold and edit the article. But please remember, unsourced additions are likely to be removed. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 09:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi Mari! I edited those pages because I thought they (sentences) weren't cited and unnecessary and I'm sorry i didn't provide a edit summary, haven't been on here that long:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayme1234 (talkcontribs) 22:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to en:Wikipedia. Your deletion seems to be Korean point of view without reliable sources. Please see List of war apology statements issued by Japan and Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea. The articles are sourced. If you diagree with me, please provide reliable sources and use article talk page first and ask for consensus. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 08:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Porphyra vs Pyropia

The genus name for Porphyra has recently change to Pyropia, I'm not sure how to change this, especially since most people still know it as Porphyra — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi! As far as I know, the article name has not changed. It's still Porphyra, not Pyropia. Please check it for yourself. If I missed something, please point it out. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 08:33, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


I would normally manually translate myself by using google translate. But my phone doesn't recognize all these letters. So I was wondering if you could help me translate this page. Mainly just the purple section. [58]. If it wouldn't be too much trouble.Lucia Black (talk) 06:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi! You mean this? 他の機種と比べると、その点数ではハッキリと差が出るゲームボーイのソフト。それだけここに挙がっているソフトは完成度の高いゲームということになる。5本のうち3本がRPGであるということは、相性的なものから考えてRPGというジャンルがゲームボーイに合っているということが考えられる!? 今後も良質なRPGが増えることを祈ろうではありませんか。Excite translates it "Software of Game Boy out of which a difference comes clearly by the mark compared with other models. The software which has gone up here so much will be called a highly complete game. It considers from an affinity thing that three of five are RPG, and it can consider that a genre called RPG suits Game Boy!? Let's wish good RPG continues to increase. " I didn't compare E with G, but sometimes Japanese translates are better than G. Another translate is [59]. I'm not good at ja-to-en translation as en is my second language, but I can check whether the en translation is correct or not. I'll do anything that I can do to help you. Just ask me. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 07:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, this is quite enough. I really appreciate it.Lucia Black (talk) 07:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Me too, thanks! I'm working with Lucia on the article. I just looked at the scan again, and I noticed the image that looks like the legend of Zelda... That's the game we are working on, Final Fantasy Adventure. Could you look at the text underneath that picture and see what it says? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it's FFA and its reviews and gradings. The figures in blue are points out of 10. I'll translate it tomorrow. Oda Mari (talk) 16:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
These two are the first two reviews. I think the reviews are not much as information and not helpful to the article. Do you want to use the information in the article?
  • It's an action RPG game like Zelda. The scenario is a typical Square story and pulls the player quite powerfully. It might be something like "Sa-Ga" changed the game system. However, the map is fairly complicated and, in the worst-case scenario, mapping is required. That's the problem. by 東.
  • If there is something in the games of Square, they have a peculiar atmosphere and if you cannot feel comfortable with it, it's difficult to be absorbed in the game. However, talking about this "聖剣", that peculiarity has disappeared completely. It's a mystery. by 店. Oda Mari (talk) 17:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you tell me which part I put in the 2010 Diaoyu Boat Collision is not neutral?

The original sentence said "Japanese administration". This itself is biased. The undertone is that Japanese is administrating Diaoyu Islands. I added a statement made by the Chinese spokesman for foreign affairs: China never recognizes such an "administration". What' s wrong with it? I just added the FACT. The fact is that the Chinese spokesman showed explicit objections. How can you put everything biased towards the Japanese government. The article content itself violates the neutral point principle. I also added the captain's name, 詹其雄。 What's wrong with it and you deleted it? Look forward to your reply. The article is highly biased. It violates Wiki's neutral point principle. Would you please let me know how to bring this issue up and let more people involved to discuss? Or would you please let me know how to complain your biased edits? Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SummerRat (talkcontribs) 06:27, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

The article is about the boat collision, not about the Senkaku Islands dispute. Adding the Chinese claim on the article is inappropriate and not NPOV. It is also thought not NPOV to call the article "2010 Diaoyu Boat Collision" as the most common name of the islands is Senkaku Islands in English speaking countries. If you disagree with me use the article talk page. But please read the past talk first. See also Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands and its related pages. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 08:58, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to take a short survey about communication and efficiency of WikiProjects for my research

Hi Oda Mari, I'm working on a project to study the running of WikiProject and possible performance measures for it. I learn from WikiProject Japan talk page that you are an active member of the project. I would like to invite you to take a short survey for my study. If you are available to take our survey, could you please reply an email to me? I'm new to Wikipedia, I can't send too many emails to other editors due to anti-spam measure. Thank you very much for your time. Xiangju (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The Emperor's Speech

Looks good, thanks. (talk) 18:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military

What do you think about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military? It seems every thing should be hidden.--Syngmung (talk) 13:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. You seem to read both Japanese and Korean well. So now on going the argument related pages, one person insists military prosititue of japanese women were a few. Is it true? According to his view, Korea become the most supply source of foreced or volunteered prostitutes in every age. Japanese sex industry seems biggest in the world now. Korean women are brought up to be chaste, I dont know Japanese women are same or not. But I cannot believe Japanese women were chaster than Korean women. Have most Japanese women never been prostitutes in war time, despite of there are many Japanese prostitutes now? I dont have fine conversation skill in english, so I dont want to get in edit war at the most controversial page..--Syngmung (talk) 10:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you tell me which part violates the "neutral point principle" in the vassal state

Hello, Oda Mari. Thank you for your comments. Can you tell me which part of my edit is not neutral? But I think the content you put down is indeed biased. You said the central government's troops "invaded". The term "invaded" itself is biased. Moreover, the way it describes things is inaccurate. The PRC troops entered Tibet and central government's administration was reestablished under the 17 Article Treaty 十七条协议. Later, part of the Tibet regional officials fled in 1959. But you said "PRC troops entered and forced them to flee". Your edit is biased at best and malicious at worst. Can we come back to FACT? I just added facts. Please show me concrete evidence that the facts I show was wrong. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SummerRat (talkcontribs) 06:27, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to en:WP. Because your addition was only the Chinese POV. The rest of the world does not think so. If you think it was not an invasion, please provide non-Chinese reliable sources in English, use the article talk page and ask for consensus to editors. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 08:58, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Information icon Dear Oda Mari, I appreciate your voicing your opinions about the Tibet section in Vassal state. However, Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to constantly reverting it. Your revertion violates WP:POV. Here is some detailed evidence I collect at your request. They speak for themselves. I've highlighted the entering term in case you cannot find it.
  • History of Tibet (1950–present) says: The history of Tibet from 1950 to the present was heralded by the People's Liberation Army entering Tibet in 1950-51. The first sentence. This is a good example of neutral POV.
  • History of Tibet says: In October 1950, the People's Liberation Army entered the Tibetan area of Chamdo, defeating sporadic resistance from the Tibetan army. In 1951, Tibetan representatives participated in negotiations in Beijing with the Chinese government. This resulted in a Seventeen Point Agreement which formalized China's sovereignty over Tibet.
  • TIBETAN HISTORY: TIBET UNDER CHINA IN THE 1950s AND 60s says: Chinese forces, carrying portraits of Mao Zedong, peacefully entered Lhasa in 1950 to liberate the city. and The Dalai Lama was 16 when the Chinese entered Lhasa in 1950..
They are just the top 3 results returned from Google. None of them say it's invasion. Please stopping spoiling the article by introducing your biased POV. Out of the less than 200 sovereign nations in the world, landsliding majority recognize Tibet as part of China. I really don't know what your biased point come from. What you insisted on the article is just the separatists sympathizers' POV, which shouldn't be put on wiki. The rest of world think it's entering instead of invasion. In case you want more evidence to refute your biased POV, I would be happy to provide. Thank you so much. (I am also moving this to Vassal state's talk page. SummerRat (talk) 03:20, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Stop Violating POV

Warning icon Please stop your Wikipedia:Twinkle. Per POV, Ryukyu is not indigenous Japanese territory. The name Chinese: 中琉界沟 is original before Ryukyu Kindom was annexed by Japan. Removing "disputed" modifier before Diaoyu Islands violates Wikipedia:POV. It's only a claim made by JCG. Please look into my references carefully before vandalizing the article. Thanks.SummerRat (talk) 17:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

You don't understand. The older name is not necessarily used in English speaking countries. The name of the trough is Okinawa Trough in en. See WP:COMMONNAME. Adding the Chinese name to the Okinawa Trough article is WP:UNDUE. Using Diaoyu Islands is also CPOV as the name of the islands is Senkaku Islands in en. Stop pushing your CPOV. This is en:WP, not zh:WP. Oda Mari (talk) 18:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
You don't understand. I just put the old name in the "a.k.a." part, not changing the entry's name. Ryukyu Kingdom used to use Chinese characters before annexed by Japan in 1879. The trough's name in Chinese is legitimate. It's widely used in Chinese literature. If you have difficulty in reading Chinese sources or any legitimate reference I provided in Chinese, feel free to let me know. Thank you.SummerRat (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
If the name is common in en, the inclusion would be acceptable. But it is not. Provide en RS that the name is common in en, please. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 18:30, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Dear Oda Mari, can you explain the case in Ryukyu Kingdom where both Japanese and Chinese names are provided in parentheses? Many thanks. Ryukyu Kingdom used to use Chinese as the official language in writing. The name Chinese: 中琉界沟 is widely accepted in Chinese and Ryukyu historical records.SummerRat (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
As the article Ryukyu Kingdom describes, the Chinese names, Lewchew and Luchu were historically used in English, and that is why the name is included in the article. But the Chinese name or its translated name of Okinawa Trough has not uses in en historically, currently, nor commonly. Even though the Chinese name was used in Chinese and Ryukyu historical records, it was not in en. Do you understand the difference? Oda Mari (talk) 17:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Seems you don't understand and I see the need to reiterate. "Include Diaoyu Islands" is a unilateral claim made by JCG. This is the very place that violates POV. My edit that adds "disputed" and balance it with the fact (CMS frequently cruise those waters and JCG is unable to keep them off) provide a full picture that the general public deserve to learn. If the article goes without "disputed" or "CMS's presence", the picture is distorted in that people either think JCG is cruising in undisputed waters. The way that I added this neutral term is common on wikipedia. Same for the South Kuril Islands where JCG is unable to cruise those waters (though they claim so). Without "disputed" people may think JCG is effectively cruising those waters (actually no way). If you find any difficulty in reading Chinese sources (but I guess you shouldn't since average literacy Japanese learn a large volume of Chinese characters), would you please feel free to let me know and I can explain to you? Many thanks. Hope it helps SummerRat (talk) 02:45, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Your request to Arbcom

Hello Oda Mari. Regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Clarification request: Senkaku Islands: you have not stated what the complaint actually is. If you believe that someone is violating the Senkaku decision you can raise the matter at WP:Arbitration enforcement. Most likely you will get a quicker response there than if you have to wait for an Arbcom decision. If someone merely goes around to articles and unilaterally changes the name of the islands, that is an obvious violation. You can find the original decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Senkaku Islands. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 14:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi! To tell the truth, I was not sure where was the best place to talk about the matter as the original decision seemed not concrete enough to me. I am sorry if I made a mistake. If so, what should I do to fix it? Can I cancel the request? If it is appropriate to bring those edits to the WP:Arbitration enforcement, I'd like to do so. Please give me the advice. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 16:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
If you want to withdraw your Clarification Request, add a note to your statement that says you are withdrawing your request and ask for an Arbcom clerk to deal with it. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. Cheers! Oda Mari (talk) 07:41, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
As for AE, when there are two editors with similar edits, can I file a request of two users? Or should I separately file two requests? Please let me know. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 10:01, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
If you decide to file at AE, you can include two editors in the same complaint. EdJohnston (talk) 13:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I did some editing of your request. The result is now at WP:AE#Senkaku Islands. Feel free to make additional changes. EdJohnston (talk) 18:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Troubled waters

One last note on SoJ: we don't need NC-SoJ to remove instances of "East Sea", because almost zero English-language sources and atlases use it. Zero. The fact that the wider community tolerates your aggressive purges in that area is because (a) the topic is relatively obscure; and (b) the sources are relatively unanimous. Neither condition is true for Senkaku/Diaoyu. It has nothing to do with the sham "vote" that you guys organized on a project page. Your interpretation of NC-SoJ is an abusive overreach on Korea-related articles, but this extension to China-related articles—by analogy—is beyond belief. I overturned NC-TW because it was being abused in a like way. NC-SoJ will similarly crumble if its abuses are brought to the attention of the wider community. Don't give up something that you already have for something that you can't ever get. Shrigley (talk) 15:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Shrigley, how can I say this politely? Back the hell up. There was no "sham vote". There were three RfC's on the subject. Every single one of them upheld the current naming. NC-SoJ can't crumble, for the reason you yourself point out: we have to use the English language sources. Now, I will admit that I actually think Oda Mari is wrong on the use of "Diaoyu" in Chinese specific articles, but I don't think that her approach was wrong--she was using a precedent and attempting to apply it to another situation; even though I think the precedent doesn't apply, and WP doesn't really work on precedent anyway, the changes were done in good faith. As someone else advised Oda Mari above, if you think there's a violation of the general sanctions here, take the matter to WP:AE. Don't make inappropriate snipes on someone's user page. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree that those edits are wrong. I believe, in fact, that the analogy of NC-SoJ is totally appropriate, which would mean that Diaoyu is the correct term there (though possibly Diaoyu (Senkaku), but the difference is pretty much hairsplitting at that point). What I don't agree is that there is some sort of "sham" vote. Just because someone doesn't like the results of consensus doesn't mean they get to call that consensus a fake, a mockery. As for my term (back the hell up) I was originally intending to use something much stronger, and toned it down as far as I could. Shrigley's message was seriously uncivil, and sometimes that calls for a more blunt approach. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:35, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Agree Shrigley was uncivil, which is uncalled for. There's also no place for topic banned / blocked / sockpuppet edits and comments, so I removed them. Everyone, please be aware of the editing restrictions on this topic Talk:Senkaku Islands (I have come here as an uninvolved editor). Widefox; talk 17:35, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I filed a request at WP:AE. Oda Mari (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Your position on the WP:AE

Hello Oda Mari. You opened a complaint at WP:AE on 17 June (which is now known as WP:AE#Senkaku Islands) but you have not been active there since. You've made no reply to the statements by User:Lvhis, User:Shrigley and User:Qwyrxian. Please let us know if you intend to continue with the complaint. You don't seem to have identified a concrete issue that admins would be able to address. If your real issue is about the continued editing at China Marine Surveillance it would be helpful to know that. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ed! Thank you for the message. Sorry that I did not know what should I do. I intend to continue. Where should I post my reply? At my statement section with using @? Or at each user's section? I'll post my reply as soon as possible. If my reply is not concreate enough, please let me know. Though I've been here for years, there's still a lot that I don't understand what to do as en is my second language. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Add to your own statement. If necessary you can use @Lvhis, @Shrigley etc to introduce replies to specific editors. EdJohnston (talk) 21:36, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions: topic ban

Pursuant to the outcome of this AE thread and under the terms of the discretionary sanctions mandated by Arbcom decision in the Senaku Islands RfAr, I am topic-banning you from the subject of Senkaku Islands, widely construed, for a period of 3 months--Cailil talk 12:51, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Reply to Hachiko

Hi, Oda Mari. Thank you for setting that straight! I noticed that some dates in the article were in British format and others in American format, so it was inconsistent. I'm American, and I just assumed that the British English format is used in Japan. Is there a page that will tell you which countries use which format? That would be the helpful one. Thanks!

Unfortunately, as far as I know, there's no such page. It's tiresome, but you have to check the revision history and see what was the original format. Not every Japan-related articles uses mdy format and some use dmy. It depends on the first use, not on country. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 07:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

edit requests

Dodo meets Human?

Hi Oda Mari. Thank you very much for responding to the dodo's copyedit request. I see you spotted one I overlooked (use→used); my specific request was actually for banknote→banknotes (not, to my knowledge, uncountable).

Could I perhaps also draw your attention to a couple of edit requests I made yesterday on another protected page: Human? The second of these, regarding the definition of music, seems to me to be substantial, especially given that the western concept of harmony is alien to many musical traditions worldwide (including Japanese ones). Maybe bold edits would be in order here? Cheers, (talk) 09:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry if the second part of this request has caused you any embarrassment. Since posting I've also spotted that Wikipedia has quite a strictly defined process for requesting edits on protected pages. Editing as an IP, I find that trying to effect a straightforward bold edit on a protected page can be a bit frustrating. Anyway, my apologies for the disturbance, (talk) 18:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
It's OK. I've been just busy. Take a look at this. Is it OK? If not, tell me. You know I'm a bit careless. Sorry, but no for the second request. Why don't you create an account? Oda Mari (talk) 18:44, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I think that's much better—really didnt' mean to disturb you. At the moment I prefer to edit as an IP (and it's also instructive, I think, to find out what a gf IP editor's experience may entail). Regards, (talk) 20:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


The edits are not vandalism. They are about the meaning of Kanji and mistranslations. Doseiai2 (talk) 23:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Not about who is right or wrong. Its about showing references. This is the first time you have shown a reference to prove your point. Yet 12 references say one thing and 1 reference another. OK. (talk) 11:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

The number of references is irrelevant. Translated words do not explain the structure of administrative divisions in Japan. Please explain why do you think the official page of Tokyo is wrong? Your OR denies it, doesn't it? And why do you think these pages say there are 47 prefectures in Japan, including Tokyo. [60], [61], [62], and [63]. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 10:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

1. Oda-san, this is about English terminology, not Japanese language. Japan Times and corporate pages you cited just follow tradition, whether something is translated correctly or mistranslated historically is irrelevant, these sites do not 'define' language, they merely use it. Why do you think Japanese dictionaries Shogakukan, Shueisha, and online Tangorin do not translate '都' as prefecture? In fact, I have zero evidence '都' has ever been translated as prefecture by any Japanese dictionary, I implore you to find me a case. There must be consensus about what a "prefecture" is, by the publishers of dictionaries, by the authorities on language, random Japanese government websites nor American government sites for that matter, have no authority on correct use of English; they are a frequent source of error. Of course in Japanese language there is no issue, there are unmistakably 47 (都道府県), but I'm not editing Japanese wikipedia. Has the West simply been historically too lazy too call it by its correct term 'first order sub-national jurisdictions' (都道府県) and instead using the wrong term 'prefecture' all along? (talk) 01:26, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Of course, 都 cannot be translated as prefecture. Though the name is different, it is categorized in the prefectural division by the Japanese government and Tokyo is counted as a prefecture. I don't think the West has been lazy. There's no equivalent words/ structure/system in the West and I guess they simply call "47 prefectures" for 都道府県 as "prefecture" is outnumbered. You may think this is also mistranslated, but it's a RS at WP. I don't think it is easy to change "47 prefectures" to more precise name as it is commonly used in en today. Oda Mari (talk) 09:58, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Tosa (dog), added photo of Champion of Serbia and Montenegro Boss

Dear Oda Mari I just added photo of a real Tosa (name: Boss). This is a proven show dog breed in Serbia and Montenegro. It has been in dog fights (as well), with the first owner in former Yugoslavia. As a matter of fact, Boss has been Champion of Serbia and Montenegro in 2005 (4 x CACIB / CAC). This fact is available at Serbian dog association in Belgrade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I replied at the article talk page. Oda Mari (talk) 17:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hiragana edit


I'm sorry, but you're in the wrong here, there are readings for those names beginning with ん. They're for example in the EDICT dictionary files.んねさか&eng=&dict=enamdicんのざき&eng=&dict=enamdic

Please re-revert my edit for I find this an interesting information.


Thuruk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuruk (talkcontribs) 13:11, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. Because you are wrong. I am a native ja speaker, but have never known the reading. Please explain why the linked ja dictionaries do not have the entry of んねさか/んのざき. See [64], [65], [66], and [67]. Additionally, let me know the full name/s of anyone with those surnames with RS. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't know any persons with those names, but I do know that they're in Edict. So if you think they're wrong why don't you mail the Edict producers and ask why they're in. --Thuruk (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Please provide other RSs. If the Edict is not wrong, there must be other RSs. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Found something else on it. Seems like they mixed the 片仮名 シ/ン... --Thuruk (talk) 16:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I have deleted the んねさか/んのざき names from the Enamdict names dictionary. I suspect they are typos or corruptions. Please let me know directly if you see any other suspect names. JimBreen (talk) 11:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Japanese dictionaries

Hi, I've added an online Japanese dictionary and you revert to remove it out. I am not mean to criticize, but as I can see, compare to existed dictionaries on the list, some new ones such as RomajiDeus or Tangorin have better design and are more functional. So can you explain the reason you do it? Thank you very much! --Bùi Hoàng Hải (talk) 08:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

The reason I removed the dictionary was it was compiled from other online dictionaries. Jim Breen's dictionary page is already there in the list, and I don't think a similar dictionary with the same contents is needed. Oda Mari (talk) 08:45, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
All other dictionaries on the list, except Prof. Jim Breen's and SpaceALC use the database of prof. Jim Breen (which are freely available). The difference are the ways of representing the data and additional data(such as sample sentence from Toabeta, stroke orders from KanjiVG, etc.). Other than that, RomajiDesu's JMDIC is newer than EDICT, which has a more compact view than the later, you can compare the difference of a same lookup, e.g. 'ashimoto' from RomajiDesu and Jisho and So do don't see it's fair if you keep others while removing RomajiDesu and Tangorin. --Bùi Hoàng Hải (talk) 02:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I saw the links. I don't think the second example sentence "あなたがたは途中ずっと足元を見つめなければなりません。" at RomajiDesu's is a good example. "見つめなければなりません。"? Sounds strange/unnatural to a native speaker. It should be "見ていてください" or "見ていなければなりません". Not only that phrase, the sentence itself sounds unnatural. Sorry, but I don't think it's a good dictionary. Oda Mari (talk) 09:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
The dictionary use the same database as Professor Jim Breen' WWWJDIC, you just type あしもと into, you will find that example sentence. I admit that the database (which is quite huge) is no way of perfection, but the dictionary itself is better than most of the rest in the list. If you argue that it's not good, then won't you remove all other EDICT-based dictionaries on the list, too? I am sorry but I am trying to be reasonable here.--Bùi Hoàng Hải (talk) 23:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
The mirror site is not needed. That's all. I'm going to contact JB when I have some spare time as I found another mistake. Oda Mari (talk) 09:26, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
As I have advised Mari-san by email, those sentences are from the Tatoeba project, and they originally came from the Tanaka corpus, which was collected by Japanese university students (and have a lot of errors.). The best way to correct the sentences is to get an account on the Tatoeba project (just register) and make the changes. JimBreen (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Pohnpei Airport image

Mari, When you zoom into File:PohnpeiAirport.jpg there is a blue sign in English and Japanese. What is the Japanese text? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 14:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I saw the image but the text was not 100% readable. I'll write down what I can read later. Please wait for a while. Maybe tomorrow. Oda Mari (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I was able to get a full reading of the English by zooming in. If you have trouble with certain Japanese characters, please let me know WhisperToMe (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I posted the ja text at the ref. desk, hoping someone might be able to read the characters I couldn't read. Oda Mari (talk) 05:12, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you :) - I analyzed the text and posted the English version and some guesses on my part of what the ? parts correspond to. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey OM!

お久しぶり! Anyway, I respect your views, and briefly considered reconsidering the RM on Jinmu et al because the Imperial Household Agency used the current spelling. But on investigation I found that actually they use both spellings, and seem to use "Jinmu" more often.[68][69] I'd be willing to speculate that the genealogy you linked was translated by some freelance translator they outsourced to, while their "official" spelling is "Jinmu". Hijiri 88 (やや) 12:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

お元気そうでなにより。I was curious what the IHA said and went to the site. Unfortunately to you, that pdf file was the first page I happened to open as it sounded it had the name in it and I assumed that was the name they used. Sorry, the request was closed when I came here about 15 minutes ago. Better luck next time. Oda Mari (talk) 15:03, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm a bit tired now, so I'm done for the time being. Given new evidence that showed up immediately before the close, I think I'd be forgiven for opening a new RM later, but I'm staying the hell away from it for the time being. I actually spent a fair bit of my free time during the last two days trying to figure out why Empress Jingū is referred to in some Shinto sources as じんぐこうごう rather than じんぐうこうごう. I hope my cold clears up soon so I can go outside again. (笑) Hijiri 88 (やや) 15:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Oh, sorry again. I didn't know you had a cold. You sounded vigorous. I'm a bit 夏バテ, but fine. Take good care of yourself! Oda Mari (talk) 15:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Thank you for you edits on Japanese particles, it's been very helpful to have a ja speaker sorting the article out!
I must say, that I myself think the example "アラビア語って難しくない?" needs to be replaced but I'm not sure how to do it - I've added an alternative on the talk page and my reason as to why but I think you'd do a much better job than me when it comes to finding an alternative/explaining why I'm wrong! Thank you very much again - I am learning a lot from your edits! JTST4RS (talk) 17:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar! I'm very busy right now. I will post my comment on the article talk page as soon as possible. Hopefully in a few days. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 17:09, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining!

Cute grey kitten.jpg

Hi it's ReliableUdonNoodles here. I got your message and I'm really glad that you contacted me and explained to me why it kept getting removed. I'm still trying to get to grips with Wikipedia as I have said before. I also just found out about Wikilove. So yeah thank you for explaining and here have a picture of a cat as a token of my appreciation. :)

ReliableUdonNoodles (talk) 18:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


Hello I'm the one who changed your statement about sushi because sushi is from japan china just thought of fermented fish not the creation of sushi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:06, 10 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Please read the section carefully. The fermented sushi was created by fermented fish from Southeast Asia and south China. It was sourced material. If you still disagree, please provide RS and use article talk page. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 07:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I hope I'm doing this in the right place, it's my first time! You changed my edit of "ramen" today and I'd like to discuss it with you. 1. You added a macron, citing Hepburn Romanization. (I'm going to call it HR.) I believe this to be incorrect as that would indicate a long vowel, which the "a" is not. My source: "/a/ This is a low central vowel, [ä]; it is most like RP English ⟨u⟩ in cut, but with the mouth slightly more open." [70] 2. Should you disagree, and I am no expert other than knowing how to pronounce the word properly, then, even if the "a" is long, the macron misleads Americans because "rāmen" instructs a reader to say "RAYmen" (or REImen), rather than the correct "RAHmen". Additionally, the use of both rāmen and rämen in pronunciation conflict with each other and further add to the confusion in pronouncing the word. 3. As an option to avoid confusion, yet still remain correct in HR, I would like use the traditional HR version, which I believe would produce: "raamen". This would help, if indeed the "a" is long, which I am not sure of. This is not ideal in my opinion, I prefer the next option. 4. The variation of Tokyo without macrons is permissible in HR, and I would like to cite this as a precedent, as follows: "Tokyo – not indicated at all. This is common for Japanese words that have been adopted into English." [71] I believe this is accurate for ramen, as Americans have adopted this word for many years. 5. Let me know your thoughts. I believe many things need to be considered in this issue. Thank you! (talk) 04:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Please take a look at this. We use Modified Hepburn romanization. It might not be preferable to you, but you have to use it here. See our Tokyo article. The article title is Tokyo, without macron, but the first sentence is "Tokyo (東京 Tōkyō?, "Eastern Capital") (Japanese: [toːkjoː], English /ˈtki./), officially Tokyo Metropolis (東京都 Tōkyō-to?)". We provide HR after words in Japanese. Like the article Tokyo, the article title Ramen does not have macron as the noodle in commonly known in English speaking countries, but we should provide HR after ラーメン like the first sentence of the Tokyo article. See also Ra (kana) and Chōonpu. ラー is a combination of ラ and ー, and the "a" is long vowel. I cannot read IPA, but if you changed it to the short vowel, please undo it. I'm a native ja speaker and the noodle is pronounced with a long vowel in Japan. Listen to the pronunciation by Japanese in this video. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 08:58, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Oda Mari, thank you for explaining. I agree 100% about your pronunciation of ramen. I lived with Japanese people and know exactly how it sounds, but, my fellow Americans are confused. Unfortunately, if the modified version of HR has to be used rather than the traditional, then the confusion will persist. I see what you are saying about the Tokyo article, but, the problem is that Tōkyō is fine with macrons because the o's are pronounced OH, which is correct. With macrons over the "a" in ramen, it confuses Americans into thinking it is pronounced like REImen. They don't understand that the macron means it's a long "aa" sound because Americans don't learn to speak using HR. They learn that the macron over an "a" in English is pronounced like Japanese "EI", rather than the correct AH sound. Maybe if you or someone else would write a sentence about how the vowel "a" is pronounced in Japanese, it could help. Otherwise, battles like these continue: [72] They point to Wikipedia saying that it is pronounced REImen here, which is why I came to look, and it IS confusing. I still think the whole point of a pronunciation key is to help foreigners pronounce a word correctly. If it's not doing that, it's failing in it's job. But, thanks for your time anyway. (talk) 01:23, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Hello. Yes pls move the cmt to the talk page. Anotherclown (talk) 11:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)



could you please take a look at the Abe ryu page, and tell me what you think about the info-box? I am afraid Kontoreg and I will not reach consensus, so I would like a third opinion. Francis Bond (talk) 10:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

You are biased

I can see that you are Japanese, and you stop me from editing that Diaoyu Islands(NOT Senkaku) page. I feel that people from countries(China, Japan, America) that are involved in the problem should not be admins on this matter. The admin of the page should be someone who either has no concern over such stuff or is from a neutral (USA is not neutral, it is "neutral") country. I think probably if I had put some pro-Japanese stuff on that page you would not have stopped me right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZBZ.LVLV (talkcontribs) 14:35, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

ZBZ.LVLV, I actually think you should stop trashing up that article, like you have been doing over and over again for the past year, in sporadic intervals. It's a huge pain in the ass. --benlisquareTCE 14:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok then. I know about the POV of wikipedia, that it should NOT be broken. However, on that page, it shows what administered by Japan, and the name is the Japanese name, and all the Japanese name came first. You think Chinese people looking will be happy? Do you know that there are 12x more Chinese than Japanese in the world? I think I know why. It is because this site is by a America guy, and the so called "America neutral" but America itself is actually biased. Even if I do that, I have 1 billion Chinese to back me up for saying DIAOYU ISLANDS BELONG TO CHINA! - ZBZ.LVLV — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZBZ.LVLV (talkcontribs) 23:35, 30 October 2013‎

I think you should calm down, and have a thorough read of the article's talk page archives. There has been lengthy discussion over the issue, and the current status quo is the result of the aformentioned discussion. If you would like to contend the status quo, feel free to start a new discussion on the talk page; trashing up the article yourself will bring you zero progress, however, and only makes your contributions a huge eyesore for everybody else. --benlisquareTCE 01:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits to VANK

Information.svg Hello, and thank you for your recent contributions. While the content of your edit may be true, I have removed it because its depth or nature of detail are not consistent with our objectives as an encyclopedia. I recognize that your edit was made in good faith and hope you will familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is not so we may collaborate in the future. Thank you! Greenmaven (talk) 06:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)



I changed Markus Sesko’s name on the List of Wazamono from the incorrect “Seskor” to “Sesko,” and you changed it back to “Seskor.” Markus is a personal friend of mine, his last name is Sesko – not Seskor. Just FYI.

I will change it back to Sesko on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:19, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. You were right. I should have checked his name on the web before my edit. Please forgive me. But please do not forget to write edit summary when you edit. Happy editing!. Oda Mari (talk) 09:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Epsilon Rocket Edit

In regards to the message on 11.20.2013:

The statement was removed as it was unnecessary to the paragraph, a non-cited opinionated claim, created a convoluted sentence structure, and only served to lower the overall S.O.Q. of Wikipedia as a whole. I therefore stand behind the revision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Please remember that you can remove Vandal edits, but if you are not the OP, you should not modify or remove other user's post. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Aretha Franklin

You reverted an edit and attributed the origin to me. Why is that? Nasnema  Chat  06:07, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Attributed the origin to you? What do you mean by that? I don't understand you. You were nothing wrong. I just undo this addition by an IP per WP:PEACOCK. Oda Mari (talk) 17:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Air Defense Identification Zone Map

Hello. I've noticed you've changed the map for Air Defense Identification Zone (East China Sea). I feel the new image offers less relevant detail to the topic. What is the copyright problem you mentioned? Thanks. Ansett (talk) 09:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Please see File:Air Defense Identification Zones Map East China Sea.gif. It seems more information is needed. Sorry if I misunderstood something. Oda Mari (talk) 09:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Revert to Shiba Inu


My addition to the "meme" part of the Shiba Inu page has more trivia, which CAN BE SOURCED back to Know Your Meme. It is NOT trivia, it is how the meme go its start. Leave the page alone, as I will keep reverting it back. Thank you. Hotelmason241 (talk) 19:52, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Keeping reverting is not constructive. Please ask for consensus on the article talk page first. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 09:45, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Japan–Portugal relations

Hi! No, you cannot. We can get some information from other reliable sites, but text copy and paste from other sites would be copyright violation. This is the ja version of the article you want to create. If you understand ja, translate it. If you don't, you can ask for translation at Wikipedia:Translation or ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Unfortunately, I'm not good at ja-to-en translation, but I'm willing to help you and do what I can. These articles look helpful too. History of Roman Catholicism in Japan, Hidden Christians of Japan and Nippo Jisho. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 10:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! I will create the page soon but at the beginning the page will look terrible, let's improve it slowly. Regards. --Rikichanny (talk) 13:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Note to Oda Mari

You are calling my edits "vandalism", which I don't think is an appropriate choice of words if I am providing a legitimate reason for the edits. There are very few people active on the discussion boards on the articles that I edited. Your asking me to rely on a consensus of the discussion board would seem to appear as dismissing it based on your own prejudices. If you think that the points I raised above are not reasonable, please provide a rebuttal. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I've told you to use talk page, but you didn't. That was why I thought your removal as vandalism. Please take a look at List of tributaries of Imperial China and the sources. As I told you before, please provide RS if you still think the sources on the list page are wrong. You talk a lot, but you never provide RS. What you say is your personal opinion. Oda Mari (talk) 15:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I do not think you have understood my point. This is NOT a dispute about facts, and as such sources are not relevant. I am NOT disputing the fact that Joseon (and sometimes Goryo) paid tribute to China. What I am disputing the APPROPRIATENESS of displaying this label PROMINENTLY at the top of the article. It belongs in the text somewhere, but not in a separate box containing only the most vital information. According to the link you provided, there are more than a dozen countries that paid tribute to China, including Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Ryuku Kingdom. And yet Korea is the only one that is prominently labeled as being a tributary state of China. It is not mentioned on the webpages of any of the other tributary state. If being a tributary state of China is such an incredibly important characteristic that it needs to be displayed prominently at the top, then it should be uniformly applied to every country on that list. If not, it should be left out. I have visited this website on many occasions over the past 10 years, and this is the first time I have seen this. Please let me know if you agree with my point. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

South Korea

You reverted my addition of PSY because "one hit song is not enough".

PSY has multiple hit songs and is an icon in South Korea.

You also reverted my Starcraft addition. Starcraft and PSY are two of the few things that are indigenous to the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:18, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Pardon for my intrusion, but how on earth is Starcraft indigenous to South Korea? It was developed by a US company, and has nothing to do with South Korea other than the fact that it is popular there, and they hold large tournaments there. --benlisquareTCE 01:15, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Starcraft is more popular in South Korea than in any other country in the world that isn't the US. And South Korea is known for few unique things, aside from PSY, Samsung, and Taek-won-do, I'm stumped. It's one of the only video games they efficiently play there. They literally treat it as a sport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi Oda Mari. I apologize for not including an explanation for my first edit regarding Joseon. I included an explanation in my second edit. I edited the portion of the article because it is not appropriate to include that Joseon is a vassal state in the front of the page when it is stated to be "de facto" independent. I don't think that constitutes whitewashing as you claim, especially since you included no sources for your claim. Perhaps you should include that information in the main article backed with proper sources? Furthermore, If your reasoning was correct, then the page regarding the Wu kingdom and the Shu kingdom from the three kingdoms of china should also include its "vassal" status in the front page as both states paid tribute to the Wei kingdom at some point in their existence. I believe this is redundant as both Wu and Shu states were independent and exercised sovereignty, just like Joseon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonses (talkcontribs) 09:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

You did not respond to any of the points I presented, and simply insulted me by saying I "look like a sock". Please elaborate on why Joseon was not a sovereign state and provide sources for your claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonses (talkcontribs) 09:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Please read Korea-related threads on this page. That is my answer to you too. Sources can be found in a linked article page above. IMHO, that "de facto" independent can only be said in late 19th century. If you disagree with me, please use the article talk page. Please do not leave any message at here. Sorry, but I'm fed up with the editors who did exactly the same removal on the two Korean articles. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

To Oda Mari Regarding the Joseon Article

Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Joseon. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Administrators can block users from editing if they repeatedly vandalize. Thank you.

This will be my last discussion with you on your talk page. But please note that it was you who directed me to your talk page for discussions regarding Joseon. Please stop reverting the article when you have not provided evidence or support for your claim. Nowhere in the Joseon article does it contain any information regarding Joseon's vassal status to Ming and Qing dynasty with the stated dates(~1637 and ~1895 respectively). You said that "IMHO, that "de facto" independent can only be said in late 19th century," but this is merely your opinion, and unsupported by fact. According to wikipedia, "Sovereignty is the quality of having independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory." Joseon fits this description, therefore it was a sovereign kingdom. Your objectivity on this issue is seriously questionable as evidenced by your insults and unwillingness to engage in civil discussions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonses (talkcontribs) 10:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

TO Oda Mari Again

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Joseon, you may be blocked from editing. The reference you cited simply said that Joseon had tributary relationship with China, which does not mention anything about its "vassal" status. Nearly all Asian countries and even European countries like Portugal had tributary relationship with China at some point. And you have yet to explain why you should put that information below the name of the dynasty, as the other users have noted, when you can include it in the main article. Furthermore, please stop accusing me and others who correct your errors as vandalizing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonses (talkcontribs) 19:28, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

You know, you ought to be less aggressive in going after people. It's rude to post those big red signs and threatening people with blocks when you have no actual powers to do so. Have you thought of... being nicer and more diplomatic to people? (talk) 05:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Liancourt Rocks

It's an international viewpoint article, so my reading of the list means it should solely be called "Sea of Japan". Britmax (talk) 10:12, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks from User:Ryk72

Hi Oda Mari, Hopefully you don't mind the new section. I just wanted to drop a quick note to thank you for your support & encouragement late last year. Greatly appreciate the warm & friendly welcome and everything that you did. Looking forward to working on building a better encyclopaedia! Thanks again - Ryk72 (talk) 13:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

About Joseon


Before I carry on the passage, I reveal the fact that I am not fluent in English, and therefore was assisted by an Korean - English interpreter. I noticed that you have restored the term vassal state in the Joseon section because I deleted it beforehand, but actually, Joseon is no where close to Chinese vassal state. As written in the passage, Joseon was only nominally a vassal state of China, but it actually was a sole independent and sovereign nation. Take a look at the section of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. This country solely is a personal union of the Kingdom of Poland, but as I said before, Joseon is not a colony nor a vassal state of ancient China but an independent nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JARA7979 (talkcontribs) 16:48, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Please read Article 1. If Joseon was an independent nation, there would not have been such an article in the treaty. Oda Mari (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
In eastnorth-asia internation relationshop a tribute mean kind of diplomatic protocol as toadyism, it not mean certainly toadysim is obedience or client country. that is giving tribute mean they firm up their diplomacy. The status by installation is samely meaningless, so it is bad to overinterpretation. at first, CHINA didn't make any equal relationship with other countries. except them, other countries is just a barbarian country that dedicate atribute. it is hared to understand nowadays, thoes days it is 'Order of EastNorth-asia". then it is natural thing but after modernization many people misunderstand. contents of simonoseki treaty just reconfirm the fact that vassal country as independant.--JARA7979 (talk) 03:02, 8 December 2013 (KTC)
I disagree with you. What do you explain these articles? Second Manchu invasion of Korea, Yeongeunmun, Samjeondo_Monument, ko:정축하성, and Flag of South Korea#History. What you've done seems to be whitewashing based on your personal opinion. If you want change the article, please use talk page with RS and ask for consensus. Oda Mari (talk) 08:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
My point is, tribute isn't sufficient to be clue of vassal state. In addition, Second Manchu invasion of Korea, Yeongeunmun, Samjeondo_Monument, ko:정축하성, and Flag of South Korea#History are just diplomatic means neither are they. I would like to correct the rumor of Flag of South Korea#History ("Empire of the Great Qing's tributary state: Flag of Goryeo") It's is original souve is a personal diary written by Li Hongzhang(diary name:通商章程成案彙編). More over it is not true but personal doodle. This doodle may not be the official position and has not been the official position
In late 19c, qing treated Thailand,Vietnam as vassal state but Joseon as independent state with even position. Throught the history of east asia, Joseon had never been appointed an official independent state by ming. Ming is not master-slave relationship between joseon. The relationship between Joseon and Ming only was connected by Confucian belief.
In addition, the notion of vassal state was created in by Western. Thus it can't be applied to relationship between joseon and ming,qing. Some people may interpret their relationship as the relation between master and servant. Through western colonialism oint of view. But they definitely make a mistake because there didn't exist the notion of vassal state in their age region.
When qing conducted their reformation , qing tried to appoint joseon as vassal state but joseon wasn't actually appointed. --JARA7979 (talk) 19:08, 30 January 2014 (KTC)
The logic is fascinating. Wikipedia tells us: Toyotomi Hideyoshi died September 18, 1598 of complications caused by the bubonic plague. But the quasi-Japanese word for plague is pesuto, which is a French word. It seems that the notion of plague was invented in the west. This man was not western but Japanese. Therefore he can't have died from the plague. (Etymology trumps medical research!) -- Hoary (talk) 11:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I think we can't compare medical relevant information with historic relevant information. I will edit, so give an opinion by discussion if you have any request. --JARA7979 (talk) 23:57, 26 February 2014 (KTC)

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Hello. Do you still fulfill Japanese translation requests? I have some questions regarding this source. « Ryūkotsusei » 20:20, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi! What do you want to know? Oda Mari (talk) 08:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking for sales figures of the WonderSwan and its Color/Crystal versions. Would you even consider that article reliable for sales figures?
The reporter seems to say stuff like being a "rookie", plus there is this: (ファミ通独自調査) that makes me uneasy. I'm wondering if the reporter add up Famitsu sales figures themselves without fact-checking. I'd also like information about production. The article suggests in a interview(?) build to order. Is this true? « Ryūkotsusei » 21:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Probably, reliable. I tried to find other sources or information, but no results. ファミ通独自調査 seems to be based on a weekly tally of sales at these stores and they publish books like these. You know that the first part of the article is the history of WonderSwan and the second part is about the news of Bandai's announcement on Feb. 18. The reporter said he went to Bandai to ask questions about it. See ゲームボーイアドバンスへのソフト提供とスワンクリスタル受注生産. Yes, Bandai announced CrystalSwan would be BTO in the fall. Hope this helps. Oda Mari (talk) 16:10, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Okay thanks. Can you tell me the handheld sales figures? Because I think I'm reading this wrong. « Ryūkotsusei » 20:52, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
WS and WSColors sold about 3 million in total and WSCrystal sold over 0.2 million. Oda Mari (talk) 17:21, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

If I took reference 57 out of context, please correct it. Thanks a bunch! « Ryūkotsusei » 07:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing to correct. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 08:03, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Emperor Meiji

You're just another sad weeboo who speaks a bit of the old Nihongo, so what? Doing the ALT bit, ugly white guy trying to hit the local skirt? Seen it all before. Particularly the misguided view just because you can speak Japanese gives you the right lord over everyone. So what if you speak Japanese, if you knew any history (and obviously you don't looking at your talk page; you'd know that the Japanese looked to the UK for inspiration for reforming and modernising the country following the Meiji Restoration of 1868. Eg the Kazoku for one example.) Japanese pages owe more to the UK than the USA.

Still I can't abide the fact you're a liar. And a liar for their own gain because in Japan they don't use Month-Day-Year (like the USA) they use Year-Month-Day when they use the Western system; and if they're not using the reign year (平成26年).

So please くたばれ I hate liars but I hate smug people like you. (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

You must be this user. Did you read my message? I wrote ...and mdy is the standard date format when writing in en in Japan. Yes, it's ymd in ja, but not in en. See [73], [74], and [75]. Oda Mari (talk) 17:45, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I'd like to clarify my recent edit to the Kazoku page. The edit I made was based on a talk page discussion, which appeared to me to indicate that 'magnificent lineage' or 'exalted lineage' was a more accurate translation of 華族 than flowery lineage. My knowledge of characters is primarily based in Chinese, not Japanese, but it seemed to me that that point was well-founded, as the meanings I understood were associated with 華 (aside from the obviously wrong Chinese connotations) are closer to, say, splendid, than flowery.Zmflavius (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Nanking Massacre

I invite you to participate in the discussion (talk page) about the Nanking Massacre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Banzaiblitz (talkcontribs) 11:20, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at this edit [76], you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. (talk) 21:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Stop icon This is your last warning. The next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at this edit, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Your constant disruptive editing has been proven to damage the integrity and neutrality of Wikipedia content. You shouldn't remove solid content simply because you don't like it(them). (talk) 03:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


It would be great if you can join the conversation on the removal of tables in Talk:China Coast Guard and Talk:China Marine Surveillance. lssrn45 | talk 08:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


See reply on Talk:Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Hiroshima_Castle, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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I can't thank you enough for the maps! ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 14:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


はいさい, Oda Mari! I've noticed that you've contributed to the subject of Ryūkyū. I invite you to join WikiProject Ryūkyū, AKA the Ryukyu task force, a collaborative effort to expand and deepen coverage of subjects pertaining to Ryūkyūan geography, history, and culture. Here are a few links to pages to start you off:

I hope you'll take interest and decide to be a part of this project. めんそーれ! ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 14:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar. As a ヤマトンチュー, I am not an expert on Ryukyu, but I'm good at finding sources in ja. Just ask me anything you want. Here's a Ryukyuan lullaby for you. Sweet dreams! Oda Mari (talk) 15:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
You're very welcome. I'm merely an aspiring expert, and I greatly appreciate any assistance you'll give me. にふぇーでーびる! ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 18:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Message from Young hoonss

Can I ask what is wrong with my edit? Admiral Lee had won all of the battles with Japan and as you are in nationality of Japan, I think that you are little bit angry of this. But this is definite true and I think there is no wrong with this. Send me comment please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Young hoonss (talkcontribs) 14:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Little help?

Hi Oda Mari! Sorry for disturbing but do you have... two free minutes? I'm trying to translate the short text from this image but I'm having big trouble. Can you take a look and tell me what it says +-? Some characters are kinda blurry, that's why I'm having trouble. Maybe it will be a piece of cake for you? The short text: - If you take a look please tell me something. Regards. --Rikichanny (talk) 08:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi! It's 100% readable. What exactly do you want to know? Oda Mari (talk) 17:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Does it say anything about what the game story is supposed to be? Many thanks. --Rikichanny (talk) 20:04, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
It's a short summary of the game. In which game are you interested? Both of them? I'll translate it/them later. Please wait. I'm very busy right now. Oda Mari (talk) 16:42, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, both of them! I'm in no hurry! Cheers. ^_^ --Rikichanny (talk) 20:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I hope you understand what I translated. All you have to do is correct my English.

  • Original text of the left page.
    Translation:Dark Storm
    Is it possible to protect Fairias(?) Land from the Darkness who has evil designs on ruling the Magic world and the Earth? Ares takes action again and there are 13 towns and the demons in the labyrinths awaiting him. Fight Ares!
    note:This part, 13の町にと, of the original text is not correct Japanese. に is not needed. It could be a careless mistake by the writer, but I have no idea at all. I'm not sure, but "13 towns" in the original text might be incorrect because some pages in ja say there are about 30 stages in the game.
  • Original text of the right page.
    いつものようにエミリーが目をさますとあーらたいへん!! おもちゃの兵隊がお部屋の中をウロチョロ。とってもカワイイBGMに乗せて、楽しく遊べるメルヘンあふれたチェイス・ゲーム。
    Emily wakes up as usual...Oh, my God!! Toy soldiers are walking around in her room. With very kawaii background music, you can enjoy this fairy-tale-like chasing game. Oda Mari (talk) 09:19, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Much appreciated, thanks a lot! Cheers. --Rikichanny (talk) 04:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


こんにちは! I was wondering if you could look through some Japanese sources on Shimashii-Ōzato Castle 島添大里城 and Shimajiri-Ōzato Castle 島尻大里城. I wrote an article in confusion that basically combined both. I wrote about the latter under the name and location of the first, and I know close to nothing about the first. Would you mind helping? ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 04:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't mind at all, but please wait. As I wrote in the section above, I'm very busy. Oda Mari (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thank you! ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I found these. want more?

ありがとうございます おだまりさん!What can you find on Iha Castle (伊波城), Chibana Castle (知花城), or Yamada Castle (山田城)? ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 10:36, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
  • 伊波城 Iha gusuku in Uruma

[96], [97], [98], [99], and [100].

  • 知花城 Chibana gusuku in Okinawa

[101], [102], [103], [104], and[105].

  • 山田城 Yamada gusuku in Onna

[106], [107], [108], [109], and[110].
I don't think it's difficult to find gusuku-related sources. You only have to put 沖縄 and xx城, xx城趾, or xx城跡 in search box. Try next time by yourself. Oda Mari (talk) 10:46, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I highly appreciate it! ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 19:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


I agree with the poster below. Joseon did indeed maintain a tributary relationship with Ming China, then with Qing China, and thus it would be technically accurate to call Joseon a client state of China for much of existence. However, that kind of a statement belongs in the text of the article, not at the top. To display that designation as a banner immediately below the name of the dynasty makes it THE defining feature of the dynasty, would be a serious distortion. Aside from the tributes (which was not in one direction but went both ways in the form of exchange of merchandise) and formalities (such as approval of coronation and of Crown Princes), the Joseon King ruled the country. Except for specific instances, the Chinese had minimal say in what went on in the country on a daily basis. From a practical perspective, entering the tributary system allowed Joseon to avoid damaging wars and concentrate on domestic issues. That it was a sensible strategy is demonstrated by the fact that Korean dynasties were far more stable than the Chinese dynasties.

I see that you are of Japanese nationality, and I request that you approach this without the bias you may have received from the Japanese school system. Japanese historians often disparage and belittle Joseon history, and I sense that you may be inclined to take a similar view. I ask that you achieve a balance: you want to convey the facts, but do not want to exaggerate and distort it, either. It is not whitewashing but striving for accuracy and fairness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:14, December 11, 2013

Hi Oda Mari, This is the part that I was trying to make. Camouflaging Joseon dynasty as a tributary state is a bit too much of stretch, ,especially without a proper explanation about the Chinese imperial diplomacy relations at the time. Im pretty sure you will be able to find more accurate resources about this than portraying the entire dynasty as a puppet nation under the rule of Chinese empire. It is 'strongly] misleading. --Junohk (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Please use article talk page with RS. I think it is helpful to read the past talks. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 16:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh sorry, I thought you asked me to leave it on your talk page. I will do that. Thanks.

Information icon Please do not add content or templates pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Joseon, without giving a proper explanation edit summary. Your constant editing does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Please use article talk page with RS. junohk (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Joseon, you may be blocked from editing. Please see the talk page, this is misleading Junohk (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Information icon I see you mentioned the tributary relations in Goryeo's side bar. This needs a further discussion. for now, i will leave it as is. But this as all together has to be reviewed further. --Junohk (talk) 18:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey there, I'm studying East Asian history at a local university and it seems like your argument of wrapping up the dynasty is misleading. Remember, tributary was a way in which East Asian nations used to trade with each other for economic and diplomatic peace. In your argument along with the current Japanese nationalists, Tsushima island and Edo Bakufu states are all under Korean Tributaries, which was not the case. Please be careful how you title historical states.--Chadlesch (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

A Barnstar!
Barnstar of Seven Year Diligence

For your 7th anniversary of diligent work in Wikipedia ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

It is a bit early, but I may forget to send this barnstar next month.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 09:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

April 18, 2014

Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Joseon. Please respect others' contributes Junohk (talk) 17:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Stop icon This user has an issue of camouflaging historical facts, word playing, especially towards Korea-related historical articles.

On Joseon

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(talk page stalker) OhanaUnited , I think you are quite aware of WP:DTR.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
User:Phoenix7777: Without going any further on WP:DTR being an essay and not a guideline/essay, {{uw-3RR}} is the suggested template on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
OhanaUnited . Yes, you are right. Before citing WP:DTR, I should have cited a policy. WP:EW#Handling of edit-warring behaviors says
A warning is not required, but if the user appears unaware that edit warring is prohibited, they can be told about this policy by posting a {{uw-3rr}} template message on their user talk page. (Emphasis added)
A seven year veteran editor should be deemed aware of WP:3RR. Your practice may not be in line with the Policy.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 02:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if you miss this instruction on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring, which clearly stated If you see that a user may be about to violate the three-revert rule, consider warning them by placing {{uw-3RR}} on their user talk page. Oda Mari made 3RR in 2 hours (11:35, 18 April 2014‎, 12:25, 18 April 2014, 13:31, 18 April 2014‎) which leaves an awful lot of time in the remaining 24 hours that such a violation could potentially happen. This is standard procedure and I did not write this instruction. If you have issues regarding this instruction on the noticeboard, please consider taking it to the noticeboard's talk page. OhanaUnitedTalk page 05:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
WP:AN3 is neither Policies nor guidelines like WP:Essay as you pointed out. WP:AN3 is simply a discussion, request and help venue based on the relevant policies and guidelines. The instruction in the noticeboard is merely a quick summary of the policy. Handling of edit-warring behaviors is described in depth in the policy WP:EW#Handling of edit-warring behaviors. It is clear that the policy take precedence over the instruction. If you continue to insist the instruction backs your behavior, your competence as an administrator is questioned. I suggest you to reread WP:EW again.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 10:02, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

PDF document on the Liceo Mexicano Japones

Oda Mari,

I received a PDF file of a document related to the Liceo Mexicano Japones. It may be an academic journal article or a page from a book. Is it okay if I e-mail the document to you, and then are you willing to post your analysis of the document on Wikipedia itself? (It can be on this talk page, a Wikipedia project page, or the location of your choice)

Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 09:29, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Of course, it's OK. E-mail me the pdf file. Oda Mari (talk) 10:15, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! I sent a Wikipedia e-mail. Please respond to it so I can send the PDF WhisperToMe (talk) 12:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Check your e-mail. Oda Mari (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the analysis! Unfortunately it doesn't sound like that page will help prove the notability of the article. I'm keeping you posted in case I run into anything else. I really appreciate what you've done WhisperToMe (talk) 10:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Question about Yokohama City College page on LMJ

Sorry to bother you again!

I found a page from the Yokohama City University which talks about "Mexico Fieldwork". What is the page about?

Also what is this page about? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Please wait. I think I can answer...maybe tomorrow. Oda Mari (talk) 17:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for waiting.
Multi-cultual society studies majors' visited Mexico and they stayed/spent a night at home of the Liceo Mexicano Japones students' on the second day in Mexico. Next day, they taught Japanese culture to elementary to high school students at the school. The second link is about The Foreign Minister, Taro Aso's second, after 27 years, visit to the school in August, 2007. He donated manga on world history, Japanese history, science, and math. After watching Mexican dance by high school students, he talked with both Japanese and Mexican course students. Oda Mari (talk) 16:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Mari! These links seem interesting, but I'm not sure if they can further prove notability. I'll look around and see what else I can find WhisperToMe (talk) 16:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Question about book source


I found on Google Books: 石附実, 鈴木正幸. 現代日本の教育と国際化. 福村出版, 1988. The results from inside the book say (See also the Search page):

  • p. 5: "帰国子女の教育^人学校\「国内化」と「国際化」のパランス\「開かれた」日本人学校授業校と併存する日本人学校\一一ュョークでの調査/ ' - 1 ュー.ョーク日本「国際学級」をもった日本人学校の登場\国際学校,日本メキシコ学院/補習\「国内化」と「国際化」の間で\「 [...]"
  • p. 110: "日本メキシコ学院設立に関する共同声明がこのことをよく日本メキシコ学院は、東南アジアの訪問で経済ア- 1 マルとして手きびしい出迎えをうけた田中元首幸雄「日墨学院の成立基盤とその問題点」『国際教育研究』〕 0 九五名、中学校一九五名、高校一〇八"
  • p. 112: "また、音楽、図工、体育といった教科で合同授業もおこシドー一 I 日本人学校の場合も、日本メキシコ学院の場合も、その国際学級では五時間におよぶ日本人他の一つは現地人子弟を受け入れた「国際学級」における日本語および日本文化学習の重視である。"

What is the book saying about the school? Thanks! WhisperToMe (talk) 02:22, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

They are fragmentary phrases, and I cannot tell what they are. Only 日墨学院の成立基盤とその問題点 is understandable and it means "The foundation of the school and its problems". Oda Mari (talk) 15:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I see. Do you think there may be a possibility it has significant coverage of the subject, or is too little to tell? I wish I could see more of the book so I have a definite answer. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:28, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Some more fragmentary phrases (now searching with "日墨学院"):

Page 110 (Same one as the one above)
  • 日本メキシコ学院設立に関する共同声明がこのことをよく日本メキシコ学院は、東南アジアの訪問で経済ア- 1 マルとして手きびしい出迎えをうけた田中元首幸雄「日墨学院の成立基盤とその問題点」『国際教育研究』〕 0 九五名、中学校一九五名、高校一〇八 ...
Page 111
  • 別途設けられている日本文化コ—スが両者を橋渡しする役割をにな; :来、体育や音楽で、一部、合同授業もおこなわれているし、七九年には、必要に応じて図工でも合同て交流の場をもっていることである(「日墨学院.メキシコ日本人学校」「海外子女教育』)。
Page 283
  • 竹多幸雄「日墨学院の成立基盤とその問題点」『国際教育研究』第 4 号,昭和 59 年 2 月, 5 - 6 ページ.「ナイロビ日本人学校」『海外子女教育』昭和 50 年 7 月号.「日墨学院'メキシコ日本人学校」『海外子女教育』昭和 53 年.二ユーヨーク日本クラプ教育委員会「

Is there anything you can tell from these? Is there a possibility that this source has significant coverage of the subject? I'll see if I can manipulate Google Books to complete the phrases (there may be tricks that work...) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I found a link with more of 111 (it also has some of 112)!

111: "メキシコ日本人学校」「海外子女教育』)。また、七七年以しメキシコ^コ I スと日本コ I スの協力関係をみると、「学校行事、通学パス、昼食など」をとおし界能力別クラス編成方式がとられている。メキシコ理解学習は月一回、年八回の時間をあてている。な中学"
112 (same as above 112): "また、音楽、図工、体育といった教科で合同授業もおこシドー一 I 日本人学校の場合も、日本メキシコ学院の場合も、その国際学級では五時間におよぶ日本人他の一つは現地人子弟を受け入れた「国際学級」における日本語および日本文化学習の重視である。"

So if you put 111 together:

  • "別途設けられている日本文化コ—スが両者を橋渡しする役割をにな; :来、体育や音楽で、一部、合同授業もおこなわれているし、七九年には、必要に応じて図工でも合同て交流の場をもっていることである(「日墨学院.メキシコ日本人学校」「海外子女教育』)。また、七七年以しメキシコ^コ I スと日本コ I スの協力関係をみると、「学校行事、通学パス、昼食など」をとおし界能力別クラス編成方式がとられている。メキシコ理解学習は月一回、年八回の時間をあてている。な中学"

WhisperToMe (talk) 16:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I think I can "complete" 110 too:

  • "教育研究』〕 0 九五名、中学校一九五名、高校一〇八名、日本コース、小学部二七二名、中学部五七名である(竹多三年)には、一二七五名に達している。その内訳は、メキシコ,コース、幼稚園一四八名、小学校四合わせて六六〇名の学院としてスター卜した。"

"Completed" 110:

  • 日本メキシコ学院設立に関する共同声明がこのことをよく日本メキシコ学院は、東南アジアの訪問で経済ア- 1 マルとして手きびしい出迎えをうけた田中元首幸雄「日墨学院の成立基盤とその問題点」『国際教育研究』〕 0 九五名、中学校一九五名、高校一〇八名、日本コース、小学部二七二名、中学部五七名である(竹多三年)には、一二七五名に達している。その内訳は、メキシコ,コース、幼稚園一四八名、小学校四合わせて六六〇名の学院としてスター卜した。"

Based on the "completed" 110 and 111 are you able to get anything? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

As for page 110, I cannot tell anything. Page 111, it says "Some classes like physical education and music, both Japanese and Mexican course students, not always but sometimes, learn them together". Page 283 seems to be a list of ref., probably magazines. I don't think the book can be a helpful ref. of the school, but it depends on what kind of information you want to use. No, they are not "Completed". Still fragmental. Oda Mari (talk) 16:58, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm trying to find if there is significant coverage in the book in order to prove notability. I found more fragments of 111.
  • p. 111 also states: "な中学部では週一時間となっている。中学部は英会話に週二時間をあてている。スペイン語の指導にはのスベイン語教育およびメキシコ理解学習の機会が設けられている。スペイン語は小学部では週二"
  • And another view of p. 111: "な中学部では週一時間となっている。中学部は英会話に週二時間をあてている。スペイン語の指導にはのスベイン語教育およびメキシコ理解学習の機会が設けられている。スペイン語は小学部では週二時間、本日本コースは日本の学習指導要領に ..."
  • This view of p. 111: "な中学部では週一時間となっている。中学部は英会話に週二時間をあてている。スペイン語の指導にはのスペイン語教育およびメキシコ理解学習の機会が設けられている。スペイン語は小学部では週二時間、本日本コースは日本の学習指導要領にもとづき、"
So p. 111 together: * "別途設けられている日本文化コ—スが両者を橋渡しする役割をにな; :来、体育や音楽で、一部、合同授業もおこなわれているし、七九年には、必要に応じて図工でも合同て交流の場をもっていることである(「日墨学院.メキシコ日本人学校」「海外子女教育』)。また、七七年以しメキシコ^コ I スと日本コ I スの協力関係をみると、「学校行事、通学パス、昼食など」をとおし界能力別クラス編成方式がとられている。メキシコ理解学習は月一回、年八回の時間をあてている。な中学部では週一時間となっている。中学部は英会話に週二時間をあてている。スペイン語の指導にはのスベイン語教育およびメキシコ理解学習の機会が設けられている。スペイン語は小学部では週二時間、本日本コースは日本の学習指導要領にもとづき、" - Does that make things better?
Yes, I wish there was a way to see more of it...
WhisperToMe (talk) 17:06, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
(ec) Better. But there are unfinished sentences. It is a detailed description about their education/classes. Junior high students learn en conversation twice a week. In es class, students are taught both the language and "understanding Mexico". Elementary school children learn es twice a week. Please wait for the rest of the translation. I've got to go. Oda Mari (talk) 17:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Mari! I'll see if I can get any more of the book WhisperToMe (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll see if I can go the opposite direction:

  • This view of 111: "石附実, 鈴木正幸 っている(竹多幸雄、同書)。授業をおこなうことにしている。別途設けられている日本文化コ—スが両者を橋渡しする"
  • Also: p. 111:
  • "また、七七年以しメキシコ^コ I スと日本コ I スの協力関係をみると、「学校行事、通学パス、昼食など」をとおし界能力別クラス編成方式が [...] コースは、シド一一 I 日本人学校の国際学級と同じように、メキシコの教育課程に従い、田幸雎「日墨学院,メキシコ日本人 [...]"

WhisperToMe (talk) 02:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Search view of p. 111: "コースは、シド一一 I 日本人学校の国際学級と同じように、メキシコの教育課程に従い、田幸雎「日墨学院,メキシコ日本人学校」『海外子女教育』〕 0 るメキシコ人になってください 0 また、メキシコのこともよくわかる日本人になってください」(竹開校式での小林理事 [...]" WhisperToMe (discusión) 02:57 3 may 2014 (UTC)
Total p. 111: "石附実, 鈴木正幸 っている(竹多幸雄、同書)。授業をおこなうことにしている。別途設けられている日本文化コ—スが両者を橋渡しする役割をにな; :来、体育や音楽で、一部、合同授業もおこなわれているし、七九年には、必要に応じて図工でも合同て交流の場をもっていることである(「日墨学院.メキシコ日本人学校」「海外子女教育』)。また、七七年以しメキシコ^コ I スと日本コ I スの協力関係をみると、「学校行事、通学パス、昼食など」をとおし界能力別クラス編成方式がとられている。メキシコ理解学習は月一回、年八回の時間をあてている。な中学部では週一時間となっている。中学部は英会話に週二時間をあてている。スペイン語の指導にはのスベイン語教育およびメキシコ理解学習の機会が設けられている。スペイン語は小学部では週二時間、本日本コースは日本の学習指導要領にもとづき、[...]コースは、シド一一 I 日本人学校の国際学級と同じように、メキシコの教育課程に従い、田幸雎「日墨学院,メキシコ日本人学校」『海外子女教育』〕 0 るメキシコ人になってください 0 また、メキシコのこともよくわかる日本人になってください」(竹開校式での小林理事[...]"
WhisperToMe (talk) 17:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I found more info about the book:

WhisperToMe (talk) 18:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Additional translation. Students share art class when needed. Students of two courses share school events, ride the same school bus/buses, and share the lunch hour (eat in the same hall?). Newly added ja sentences at 17:50 are the same fragmentary text you provided before. As the book was published in 1988, things mentioned in the book could have changed and they might be outdated information. As for Masayuki Suzuki, the name is too common and I couldn't prove his identity. Oda Mari (talk) 10:04, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I posted those notes to the Spanish AFD page. Anyway, when I write about Japanese schools on the English Wikipedia I do include information, but make sure to post dates it take the issue into account (for instance, I say, "As of 1998, the school ABCD" or "In February 1992, teacher John Smith said ABCD" - Many of the sources on the English Wikipedia that prove WP:GNG of nihonjin gakko in the USA date from the 1980s and 1990s, so much of the info is outdated WhisperToMe (talk) 10:24, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


Goryo was under Monogol domination for about 100 years out of a 500 year history, and even then, it was not under a direct Mongol rule unlike the Mongol Empire proper. Goryo kept its own King. By defining it as a "Client State of the Mongol Empire and later the Yuan Empire" immediately below its name, this feature gives the mistaken impression that Goryo was not an independent nation when it was in fact. This needs to be corrected. American history is about 400 years, of which 150 years were spent under British rule (this was a DIRECT rule). Do you think it would be fair to put a banner immediately below the name USA, "English colony for 150 years"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:32, December 11, 2013

About Joseon

I think this discussion is not finished yet.# So I hope to hear about your thoughts from the last discussion.- JARA7979 (talk) 02:46, 27 February 2014 (KTC)

Battle of Busan(1592)

Please do not edit the inevitable fact anymore. Withdrawal of Japanese navy from their ships is fact and mentioning that item in the text is not a wrong thing. We claim victory but in fact it is an Korean victory. So, do not edit it anymore. Please respect other's contribution. Oda mari.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichrio Nazuki (talkcontribs) 03:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC) 

Battle's Win and Lose depend on Withdrawal of forces.

Then the battle of busan(1592) may be the lose of Japanese troop but it then have to be change as 'inconclusive'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichrio Nazuki (talkcontribs) 10:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Nationalist Biased View of this user

Although I'm not part of wiki administration, several Wiki contributors have contacted me through wikipedia and my personal university email to address their deep concerns about this user Oda Mari's biased attitude often citing nonacademic controversy piecemeal studies. Please be aware that this user tends to camouflage historical facts and stories in the Japanese Nationalist manner. --Junohk (talk) 12:26, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The above user has resorted to obvious vandalism in an attempt to further their battleground-like behavior. Elassint Hi 07:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Please verify how my contribution was an act of vandalization when I just redelivered what other users have left on my talk page and personal email account? Vandalization is something that this user has been doing on my account, threatening me for blocking my account. As well as constantly associating me with false sock puppet, which a form of discrediting my voice in wikipedia. This is vandalization. A serious undemocratic issue. --Junohk (talk) 11:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Pat on the shoulder* Good luck dealing with this woman. All she cares about is instating her views in East Asian articles. She also has this inept superiority complex that compels to threaten people in their talk pages left and right. In a head-to-head debate, she's an intellectual light-weight but since Wikipedia is never about correctness she compensates by using her extraordinary persistence to game the rules.
Enjoy! ^_^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
If you would like to accuse someone of Nationalism, please provide diffs instead of a slanderous comment on their talk page. Thanks. ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 05:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
The use of the term slanderous already suggests a pre-conceived position, just for your knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Rising Sun Flag

どうもこんにちは。日本のポータルに関わっていらっしゃいますし、日本語についてはお詳しいと思うので日本語で質問させてください。"小さすぎる"(too small)ことは編集を消す事由になるのでしょうか?リンク先では大きな画像を確認できます。それから、夏の甲子園の始球式で使われていることは十分に記述する価値があると思いますがいかがでしょうか?--Seisato (talk) 10:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC) fix --Seisato (talk) 10:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi! See the section title. It's "Examples of the Rising Sun design in use" and the Ashahi Shimbun flag was already in the section. It's a duplicate and WP:UNDUE. One image is enough. I don't think that 夏の甲子園の始球式で使われていることは十分に記述する価値がある. It's not understandable to the most of non-Japanese readers. Not every reader clicks to see the image file. I looked at the bigger image, but it took seconds that I could find the flag among other flags. The image is not simply a good example. I am Japanese but please use en at here. 旭日旗が写っているからといって、なんでも追加すればいいというものではありません。Not every image is suitable for the section. 選択眼と常識でご一考ください。Please have a sense of selection and common sense. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 10:27, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
お答えありがとうございます。朝日新聞の旗が重複というのは分かります。しかし、日本で野球やサッカーは人気のあるスポーツ(sports)です。"sometimes seen at sporting events" と説明にあります。私は追加した画像がその説明を補強するものとして有用であると考えます。「小さすぎる」画像は消すべきという理由は示されていないのでお示しください。WP:UNDUEから適切な部分を引用してどのようにこの画像にそのルールが適用できるのかお示し下さい。--Seisato (talk) 10:44, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
とりあえず、「小さすぎる」とのことなので、大きいサイズにします。基本的にサッカー(Association Football)の場面で使われていることが分かるようにしたいので、画像全体に旭日デザインが映るような構成に切り出すことは出来ないことはご理解下さい。--Seisato (talk) 11:25, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Urawa,Kawasaki,FC_Tokyo。Jリーグでも使われておりますが、「大きいサイズ」でかつ「サッカー」であることが分かるように切り出す(cut out?)するのはなかなか難しいようにも思います。代表(National Team)のものではU-22_Japan,WorldCup2010_Japan_Denmarkというのがあります。どうでしょうか?Oda Mariさんが満足される「適切な大きさ」でかつ、サッカーと分かるように切り出せる画像はどれがよろしいと思いますか?いずれも、CC-BYかCC-BY-SAですので、ラインセンスは問題ありません。--Seisato (talk) 11:54, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I meant it was undue weight to use two Asahi flag images in the section. It was not about the stadium image. I understand your sentiment, but still think the stadium image is unsuitable for the section. The first reason is, as I wrote in my edit summary, the flag itself is too small in the image. The second reason is that it is a personal use. See other images in the section. The other images are differently used official rising sun designs except tairyō-ki. In other words, they are design variations. The section is not to show how the flag is used in Japan. Do you understand the differences? It seems to me you do not understand the section title. I remove the image. If you disagree with me, please use the article talk page in English and ask for consensus. I won't reply at here anymore. Oda Mari (talk) 15:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
不適切なセクション(section)であるという指摘は理解しました。よって新しいセクション名を作り、より見やすく大きいサイズにしました。必ず見える大きさだと思います。後、個人利用というのは理由になりません。大漁旗なども個人所有ですから。なぜ、日本を除外する必要があるのか分かりませんが、日本の旗として主に説明されているので、日本に「過重」がかかるのは当然かと思います。説明の文章もほぼ、日本の旗として説明されていますから。「もう返信しない」は残念です。もし、Oda_MariさんがTalkPageに書かれる場合は、再度ここに書かせて頂くつもりです。その時はどうぞよろしくお願いします。Thank you.--Seisato (talk) 09:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


Hello Oda Mari, the info I added to the tachi article was correct and verifiable, it matches the info from the reference, here is a link, you can read for yourself. It states that "Tachi were produced primarily during Koto times". In fact the article used to say this at one time until someone changed it. Try searching for "koto tachi", "koto period tachi", it is a commonly known description.

There are specific time periods of Japanese sword manufacture used by Japanese sword enthusiasts, this is also in the article.

"The production of swords in Japan is divided into specific time periods; Jokoto (Ancient swords, until around 900 A.D.), koto (old swords from around 900-1596), shinto (new swords 1596-1780), shinshinto (new new swords 1781-1876), gendaito (modern swords 1876-1945).[2] and shinsakuto (newly made swords 1953–present).[3]" (talk) 08:00, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean 古刀? If so, use macron like kotō. Koto/こと/古都 and kotō/ことう/古刀 are totally different and misleading/confusing to ja speakers. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 08:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Oda Mari, I only know how the term and time period as used in commonly found references and by dealers and collectors of Japanese swords, even Japanese dealers etc use this term and time period, could you possibly correct it in a manner which would be suitable as I do not speak Japanese, thanks.

From the Japanese sword society of Hawaii.

"Koto Era (pre-1599)

Swords made during the Heian period (794-1185) through the late Muromachi Era (1573-1599) are called Koto, and are classified in terms of the Gokaden, the five schools that developed in the provinces of Yamashiro, Yamato, Bizen, Soshu, and Mino. During the Koto period, the features of the jigane varied significantly because of the different materials used in each province. Swords made during this period can be recognized by the forging style, often down to the specific smith."

From "The new generation of Japanese swordsmiths", page 13. (talk) 08:34, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, your edit was correct. Please forgive my misunderstanding. I checked katana sites in Japanese and confirmed what you meant was 古刀. But the words needs macron as we use modified Hepburn romanization. I undid my edit and added macron to some words. Again, I'm sorry for my making a quick judgment. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Setagaya Country Club?

Hi Oda Mari! I want to ask a "quick" question... There's a game called "Tokoro-san no Setagaya Country Club".

Is it related to this? ... I tried to google "世田谷カントリークラブ" but there's no information at all. It would be nice if you can provide me some information. Many Thanks. --Rikichanny (talk) 08:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's related. I searched Japanese sites, but could not find any helpful information. Setagaya Country Club seems to be a fictional country club. Oda Mari (talk) 16:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh thanks a lot! ^_^ --Rikichanny (talk) 17:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Rising Sun Flag

What copyrighted material has been added to the Rising Sun Flag? Please be more accurate. The quotation has been cited and the picture was taken from Wiki commons. And the fact is that the current quotation is wrong. --Winstonlighter (talk) 22:51, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

You cannot use the sentences and phrases in the source because they are copyrighted. Using them is copyvio. See the explanation by Grayfell on the article talk page. Oda Mari (talk) 08:12, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Murasaki Shikibu

FYI - I've finally found someone to upload File:Portrait of Murasaki Shikibu.jpg with the correct source information and I've added it as the lead image. Victoria (tk) 21:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC) (formerly Truthkeeper88)

Thank you. It's too good for words. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 08:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
"Too good for words" is a nice response. Thanks for the barnstar! Victoria (tk) 22:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


Convince me how this edit that you reverted is considered "Unexplained and unsourced change". OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I'm afraid you misunderstand the meaning of the word "revert". You seems to think the word is a synonym for "undo", but it means "to return to a former condition...". Please take a look at this. The meaning of "revert to something" is here. What I did was undo the IP's edit, actually this one, and restore the version by user Quant18. Please compare the bytes of the edits. Or did I miss something? Ah...or you are making fun of me, aren't you? Oda Mari (talk) 06:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry it was late in the night when I saw that. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Help with article

Can you help me with this article Draft:The New Classics to get it approved? (talk) 11:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Quick Japanese question

Hi, Mari! In Novi Community School District I stated "Many parents of these students have jobs with automobile industry firms." (Source). I would like to put the sentence in ja:ノバイ・コミュニティ学区. What is it in Japanese? (I'll credit you when the addition is made to the Japanese is added to the article)

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 18:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for my belated reply. I was busy in real life. It would be "それらの生徒の親はほとんどが自動車産業に従事している者である。". Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 16:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much! See: ja:ノバイ・コミュニティ学区#日系人・日本人の集中 WhisperToMe (talk) 11:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Please stop censoring documented facts that don't fit your points of view.

Please stop censoring documented facts that don't fit your points of view. This is the second time that you delete blocks on the Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military that are supported by quotes (latest:, and the first time, you had the gall to write on my user page and negate the existence of quotes that already existed before and still stand now). I understand that we don't share the same appreciation of a dark moment of history, and that - judging by your edits - you stand on the side of revisionism, but deleting documented facts is contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia. Stephane mot (talk) 03:06, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Views sought

Hi, I wonder whether you may have any view on the points I have mentioned at If so, your thoughts would be very welcome there. (talk) 02:55, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

about joseon debate

you pointed out my opinion,discussion,debate,resource. but I can’t understand that why and what is exactly wrong about it. if you answer me more specifically I will revise my text. thank you -- JARA7979 (talk) 16:40, 18 october 2014 (KTC)

You only provided sources on web in Korean. Please provide published books in English as sources. Oda Mari (talk) 07:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Japanese help request: Updating デトロイト大都市圏における日本人の歴史


I would like to update ja:デトロイト大都市圏における日本人の歴史. Since I had asked for translation last year, I found new information. Here is a comparison between revisions. Are you interested in translating the new text? In particular: that the first Japanese people came in 1892, but the first large wave came after World War II; the content from Helen Zia; the Sundai and Hinoki schools; and the religion section).

Thank you so much WhisperToMe (talk) 06:57, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

OK. "The first Japanese people came to Detroit in 1892, but the first large wave came after World War II" would be デトロイトに最初に日本人がやって来たのは1892年であるが、大きな波となって押し寄せて来るのは第二次世界大戦後のことである。 I saw the ja article. There's no word like 日本人系/日本系. If it's Japanese American like Yoichiro Nambu, it would be 日系人. Or just 日本人, if it means people of Japanese nationality in the US like Osamu Shimomura. If you want to describe them both, it should be "日系人および日本人". Do you want the translation of the history section? And more? Please specify. It's a big rewrite and I have no idea where to start. Oda Mari (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
The article itself talks about both Japanese immigrants (and their descendants) and Japanese short-term expatriates so I think "日系人および日本人" may be the best choice. If you want I can specify exactly which blocks of text that I would like to have translated/rewritten. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:42, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

To translate for the history section:

"The first Japanese people came to Detroit in 1892. There were no particular waves of immigration."
"デトロイトに最初に日本人がやって来たのは1892年であるが、移民が次々と押し寄せてきたわけではない。" Oda Mari (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
"However after World War II ended and the Japanese interment camps were disbanded, the first significant wave of those with Japanese origins came to Metro Detroit,[Source]with many coming from California. By 1951 there were about 900 Japanese in Detroit. A concentration of Japanese existed in Highland Park and others were throughout the city of Detroit."
"だが、ja:第二次世界大戦の終決に伴い、ja:日系人の強制収容が終了すると、日系人が主にカリフォルニアから最初の大きな波となって、デトロイトとその周辺にやって来た。1951年には約900人の日系人がデトロイトに住んでいた。多くは近郊のハイランドパーク市に居住し、残りはデトロイト市に拡散して住んでいた。" Oda Mari (talk) 07:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
"An oil price hike of 1978 made Americans more interested in more fuel efficient Japanese cars.[source]Local unions sponsored events in which Japanese automobiles were destroyed. Individuals fired bullets at drivers of Japanese cars on freeways and other individuals vandalized Japanese automobiles. There were bumper stickers that read "Honda, Toyota—Pearl Harbor". Anti-Japanese slurs appeared on Metro Detroit streetcorners, radio channels, and television channels. Helen Zia, author of Asian American Dreams: The Emergence of an American People, wrote that "Politicians and public figures made irresponsible and unambiguous racial barbs aimed at Japanese people."[11] John Dingell, a U.S. House member from the State of Michigan, assigned blame to "those little yellow men" and Lee Iacocca, the chairperson of Chrysler, made a joke suggestion of dropping nuclear bombs on Japan."
"1978年の石油価格高騰で、アメリカ人は低燃費の日本車に関心を向けるようになったtため、デトロイトの労働組合の主催で日本車を壊すイベントが行われた、日本車に乗ったドライバーへの高速道路での発砲事件や、日本車の損傷事件が起き、また「ホンダ、トヨタ―パールハーバー」と書かれたバンパー・ステッカーも売られた。街角、ラジオ、テレビで反日発言が聞かれるようになった。『Asian American Dreams: The Emergence of an American People』の著者、ヘレン・ジアは「政治家や著名人が日本人に向けた明白な差別的発言を無責任にしていた」と書いている。ミシガン州選出の下院議員ジョン・ディンゲルは、悪いのはあの"小さな黄色い男達"だと言い、クライスラー社の会長、リー・アイアコッカは、冗談めかして核爆弾を日本に落とせばいいと言った。" Oda Mari (talk) 17:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
"Zia wrote that, due to the anti-Japanese sentiment, "it felt dangerous to have an Asian face."[11] Japanese corporate employees and their families felt anxiety upon learning about the sentiment in Metro Detroit."
"People within Japan perceived of Chin's killing as an example of a savagery within American culture.[15] In the period after Chin's death, Japanese news reporters visiting Detroit told people they visited the same bar that Vincent Chin visited."
"日本国内ではチンの殺害はアメリカ文化の残虐性の一例であると考えられた。[15]チンの死からしばらくの間、デトロイトを訪れた日本の報道記者たちは、皆、ビンセント・チンの訪れたバーに足を運んだことを伝えている。" Oda Mari (talk) 08:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

For the religion section

"In the 1950s the Trinity Methodist Church in Highland Park had a Japanese Mission."

For the education section:

"The Sundai Michigan International Academy (駿台ミシガン国際学院 Sundai Mishigan Kokusai Gakuin), affiliated with the Sundai Center for International Education (駿台国際教育センター Sundai Kokusai Kyōiku Sentā, see 駿台予備学校), is located in Novi.[24] Previously known as the Koby International Academy (コービィ国際学院 Kōbii Kokusai Gakuin),[25] the school formerly had its main campus in the Peach Tree Plaza shopping center in Novi and the West Maple Center (West Maple校 -Kō) in West Bloomfield Township.[26][27] The school, which provides a year-round educational program,[28] was founded in September 1993.[29] It was founded by Yoshihisa Kobayashi, who, as of 2008, is the president of the school.[28] The school began with after school enrichment and Saturday supplemental divisions. In 1999 the day school opened, and the school was registered with the Michigan Department of Education in 2000.[30] In 2008 it was the State of Michigan's only year-round school catering to Japanese people. In 2008 it had a yearly tuition of $10,000 and a 60 student waiting list. It is not accredited. The school does not take public funds, so it is not required to offer standardized tests such as the Michigan Educational Assessment Program (MEAP)."
"駿台国際教育センターと提携する駿台ミシガン国際学院 (Sundai Michigan International Academy)、旧コービィ国際学院(Koby International Academy)が、ノバイにある。[24][25]以前はノバイのピーチツリー・プラザ・ショッピングセンターにメインキャンパス、ウエスト・ブルームフィールドにウエスト・メープル校を置いていたが、現在はノバイのパイン・リッジ・センターに校舎を置いている。[26][27][111]同校は1993年9月に設立され、全日制の教育をおこなっている。[29] (Unfinished. See questions and comment below.)同校は1993年に9月にYoshihisa Kobayashiによって設立され、当初は夕方からのアフタースクールと土曜日の補習校としての教育をおこなっていたが、1999年に全日制の学校が開設され、翌2000年にミシガン州教育省へ登録された。[29][30]現在の校長は大高仁志である。[112]2008年時点では、ミシガン州内における日本人を対象にした唯一の全日制学校であり、年間授業料は10,000ドルであったが、60人の生徒が入学希望のウェイティング・リストに登録していた。認定学校ではないため、同校には州からの公的援助がなく、それ故、MEAPのような州が定める学力試験を実施する義務はない。" Oda Mari (talk) 16:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for adding this! WhisperToMe (talk) 07:36, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
"The Hinoki International School (ひのきインターナショナルスクール Hinoki Intānashonaru Sukūru), a two-way Japanese-English immersion charter elementary school, is located in Livonia.[31] Originally named the Japanese American School of South East Michigan (JASSEM, 南東ミシガン日米学校 Nantō Mishigan Nichibei Gakkō (ジャシム Jashimu)),[32] it was scheduled to open in September 2010 and operates under the Livonia Public Schools. It is housed in the former McKinley Elementary School. It is affiliated with Himawari, a private Japanese American preschool with 40 students."
"リボニアには、ミシガン州から公立学校として認可され、日本語と英語でのバイリンガル教育を実施している小学校、ひのきインターナショナルスクールがある。[31]創立当初は、南東ミシガン日米学校、the Japanese American School of South East Michigan (ジャシム)という名称であった。"
As for "it was scheduled...with 40 students.", I think update is needed. See [113], [114], and [115]. Can I ask you for a new version? Oda Mari (talk) 10:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I'll take a look! Is the school no longer affiliated with Himawari? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:36, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Not that part. The school looks still affiliated with Himawari. Instead of "it was scheduled to open in September 2010", I think "it opened in September 2011" would be better. Although I have no idea about the location of the former McKinley Elementary School, Hinoki moved from 9101 Hillcrest Avenue to 39111 Six Mile Rd. in 2012. Sources are page 6 of the pdf file above and the school address at the official site. Oda Mari (talk) 09:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I hope this isn't too much... WhisperToMe (talk) 05:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm busy right now. I think I can start tomorrow. Probably it will take days. OK? Oda Mari (talk) 16:14, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
That's fine. Please take your time :) WhisperToMe (talk) 17:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I've added the completed portions to ja:デトロイト大都市圏における日本人の歴史. Looking forward to your work on the education and religion sections! WhisperToMe (talk) 08:27, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

What is "a Japanese Mission"? Oda Mari (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
It refers to Mission (Christianity). For instance there are churches in Houston with Hispanic missions, Vietnamese missions, etc. In the Detroit example it means the religious programming catering to ethnic Japanese. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I added the current location of the school. See [116]. According to the official page, the current president of the school is 大高仁志. Do you want his name added to the translation? As for "It was founded by Yoshihisa Kobayashi, who, as of 2008, is the president of the school.", do you still want it? I couldn't find his name in kanji and IMHO, it could be omitted. Oda Mari (talk) 16:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
For the name of the current president, yes please. About the founder, it may not be necessary to say he's the president, but since he is the founder I still think his name should be mentioned. If you want I can see if JA:Chatsubo may find anything. Thank you so much for your help! WhisperToMe (talk) 05:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Mari, thank you so much for asking me to update the Hinoki school thing. I found a lot has changed. Here is the new sentence from me:

  • The [[Niji-Iro Japanese Immersion Elementary School]], a bilingual Japanese-English elementary school of the [[Livonia Public Schools]], is located in [[Livonia, Michigan|Livonia]]. It was originally a charter school, Hinoki International School.<ref name=HLNewChap>"[ New school year opens new chapter for Japanese school]" ([ Archive]). ''[[Hometown Life]]''. September 3, 2014. Retrieved on October 18, 2014.</ref>
"Niji-Iro Japanese Immersion Elementary Schoolは、日本語と英語でのバイリンガル教育を実施しているミシガン州リボリアの公立小学校である。その前身は特別認可学校のひのきインターナショナルスクールである。"
Oh, I was outdated! I didn't know those changes. The problem is that I cannot use ja and kanji for the school name. Oda Mari (talk) 09:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
What I do in these cases is for now use English in the school name and I'll see if I can find a name for the school in Japanese. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:21, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

You may have fun reading Niji-Iro Japanese Immersion Elementary School :) WhisperToMe (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Japanese request

Hi Oda Mari, I was told by Nihonjoe that you would be a good person to contacts regarding a Japanese-related issue that is developing. I will copy&paste the comment I left for Nihonjoe here:

  • I am wondering if you could help a few of us out at Talk:Satellaview. A new editor, Hadsn, has recently started trying to improve the article and we are running into language barriers. I can translate a bit, but it's a very slow process for me and I don't have much time at present. The topic of discussion is pretty tech-heavy and I'm not sure if the new editor is aware of the proper way to use citations. This new editor hasn't even been welcomed to Wikipedia yet and I was wondering if you could contact him to welcome him and to let him know that there are translators available if he needs to express something in his native language (which I believe is Japanese). So you would then act as a kind of liaison here and speaking Japanese with him. He seems to be knowledgeable about the subject and I'm worried that without some assistance he'll get irritated by the slow pace and the fact that some of his edits have been reverted.

As I asked Nihonjoe, if you are too busy please let me know and I can ask another editor from Wikipedia:Translators available#Japanese-to-English. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. -Thibbs (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Thibbs! OK, but remember my English is clumsy and poor and I do not know about that kind of technology. I saw the talk page and found that it's really tech-heavy. It would be helpful if you could tell me exactly what do you want to know about the broadcasting. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 08:54, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I want him to know that we're trying to be welcoming and we aren't trying to criticize his English skills, but we do have a little trouble understanding him sometimes. So I guess the most important thing would be to just tell the new editor that you can assist in translating his own words into English if he needs help. In other words he can write to you in Japanese and you will be able to understand him and help him to express himself. Thanks again. -Thibbs (talk) 13:00, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Referencing Japanese language sources

Hi Oda Mari,

You might remember me from late last year. I hope you are well.

I am currently looking at updating pages for some Australian & New Zealand rugby players, now playing in the Japanese Top League, with information sourced from Japanese language sources. I was wondering if you could point me towards any standards or conventions around using & referencing non-English sources in

I have already checked WP:MOS & WP:CS, but they don't seem to mention anything specific.

Thanks in advance for any insight you have. - Ryk72 (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Ryk72! Nice to see you again. I use this one.
<ref>{{cite web | title= | url=| publisher=|date= | accessdate=|language=}}</ref>
For example, if you want to use this page as reference, it would be
<ref>{{cite web | title=マイケル ブロードハースト | url=| publisher=RICOH Co.,Ltd.|date= | accessdate=December 1, 2014|language=ja}}</ref>
See List of oldest companies. There are lot of ref. in Japanese used in the list. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Oda Mari! That's exactly what I was looking for. Absolutely perfect. Thank you so much. - Ryk72 (talk) 10:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Question about Japanese translation of airliner seat map

Hi, Mari!

Here is an English airliner seat map and a Japanese version, but the Japanese version is not yet complete.

Page 17/26 of this document has the remaining Japanese text. What is it? That way a map can be posted to articles about China Airlines Flight 140.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, WhisperToMe! Here are the Japanese text. You can omit the letters in (), if you'd like.
Seat arrangement chart/客室座席配置図
Wing position/主翼位置
Seats occupied by survivors/(は)生存者座席位置
Seats were not occupied/(は)空席(で、)
All other seats occupied by the deceased/その他は死亡者が着座. Oda Mari (talk) 09:48, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! A Japanese version of the map will be completed WhisperToMe (talk) 15:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

File:China Airlines Flight 140 JP.svg Done! WhisperToMe (talk) 13:24, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, Yunshui! Please take a good look at the newbie's edits. His/her edits were removal of sourced material. I asked this. Please block the user. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, Oda Mari. Nihonjoe indicated you when I did a translation request. Could you help me? Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Gabriel Yuji! I'm not good at en to ja translation, but I'll try my best. Do you want the translation of those three paragraphs? It's long. I'm busy in real life and a bit tired. Have you ever tried yahoo translation? I think it's better than googletranslate. See this. How about this? "..... de .... constituição se ocupou do "jogo. fazendo palhaçada. o rei" séries por muitos anos, Canela o Yoshida do roteirista participa do pessoal. ..... que se tornou desde então" .......... " foi designado como um desígnio de caráter, um desígnio de monstro, supervisão de desenho total. .... (em custo de "GX" só) participando de "5D, 5 projeto de Parede toma conta da música, e muita música do trabalho pelo mesmo autor é empregada, mas a versão de arranjo de "um tema adolescente" e "duelers quente" é usada de "GX." Katsumi Ono da "5D supervisão participa como a supervisão e está comprometido em um cheque de direção de cartão e como usar, as instruções do plano e alcança aparecimento de camafeu de um drama [4]. Kenichi Takeshita das séries primeiro participação que fez um papel ativo como um diretor em vário Filme de Característica Animado foi designada como supervisão [5]. Kazuki Takahashi do autor participa como o pessoal de quadro original, e um jogo descreve a uma cena que puxa faz um cartão no jogo de fim [4]. Como porque o quadro produziu em 2D, um quadro foi convertido em 3D por uma sugestão Cia. de centro técnica, Ltd. É enfatizado 3D efeito em particular na cena onde o CG inclusive roda de D e o cartão é usado para. Quando "é difícil de reproduzir profundidade de perspectiva usada que atrai 3D, e Mizutani da companhia teve dificuldade com uma ilustração bidimensional", eu olho atrás para a produção [6]." Does it help? It would be grateful if you ask me questions about the things you don't understand from those machine translation. Oda Mari (talk) 10:01, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay. That's fine, real life is more important. I'll see what I can get from the machine. And I may ask your help. But there's no hurry at all, take your time. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Hm, in some way, I've managed to translate what I wanted. My only doubt is: the article cites "Vジャンプブックス『遊戯王 10th Anniversary Animation Book』集英社、2010年、133項" as source; is "133項" = page 133? I ask it because even if Amazon isn't the most reliable source it says there is only 128 pages... Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Your translation looks fine and it was correctly translated. I checked the ja article history and found who edited it. [117] The user must be a native ja speaker and I don't think it's a typo of 頁/page. But the user left ja:WP years ago and we cannot ask him the meaning of 項. See these dictionary pages. [118] and [119]. As I don't see the book, I cannot tell which English word is appropriate. What do you think? Oda Mari (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Google says it can be "item", "paragraph", "section" but I have the same problem you have; I don't have access to the book. I'll try to check it by other sources. Thanks for the help. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:06, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


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JAL907 translation request

Hi, Mari!

About this map, what is the Japanese for the following?

  • "Door" is "ドア" in the Japanese Garuda report (p. 68 (PDF 11/18)) so I think it should be "ドア" here
  • Occupied [Seat]/使用席
  • Vacancy [Seat not occupied]/空席
  • Compartment/コンパートメント
  • Minor injury/軽傷
  • Serious injury/重傷
  • passengers/乗客
  • Crew/乗務員
  • "Seat arrangement chart"/搭乗者の負傷情況及び座席位置 per page 213
  • "Upper deck"/アッパーデッキ
  • "Main deck"/メインデッキ
  • 24 super [class seats]/24 スーパーシート
  • 458 economy [class seats]/458 普通席
  • Compartment/コンパートメント

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 06:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Got it! Thank you so much! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I have a question about - Do the numbers of seats need a measure word? WhisperToMe (talk) 15:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry... I meant, do they need a counter word? WhisperToMe (talk) 11:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
The counter word is 席, I think it's understandable without it though. It would be better to change the word order like this. Sorry, it was my mistake. 普通席 86席, スーパーシート 24席, 普通席 458席. Oda Mari (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much! WhisperToMe (talk) 13:32, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Done! File:2001_Japan_Airlines_mid-air_incident_JA.svg WhisperToMe (talk) 05:29, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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Question about 甘縄邸

I'm trying to figure out how to transliterate and translate this word (or possibly words). Is it something like "Amanawatei", or "Kanjōtei", or "Kannawatei", or something else entirely? For context, see the Mōko Shūrai Ekotoba image caption on ja:安達氏, which states: 『蒙古襲来絵詞』に描かれた鎌倉時代中期の安達氏甘縄邸. I understand everything but the last three kanji, and I can't find anything which tells me what they mean. Thank you for your help! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:58, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

It's "Amanawatei", meaning (Adachi's) Amanawa house or Adachi's house at Amanawa. Amanawa is an old place name. The house adjoined, or was on the premises of, the Kamakura's oldest shrine called 甘縄神明神社/あまなわしんめいじんじゃ/Amanawashinmei-jinja or 甘縄神明宮/Amanawashinmeigū. See [120], [121], and [122]. Oda Mari (talk) 17:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


Hello Oda Mari. I was reading stuff about Charumera, and I need a little help. The text from this back cover (the game about ramen is called "Charumera"):, can you translate the text? The first 5 lines and the 6~7 image captions. I think the text is very short(?), if you don't mind and when you have some free minutes, can you take a look? Many Thanks! -- (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

The text says "The player would be a "Charumera Man" and go around with a stall selling ramen. Be the #1 vendor in Japan! Miso, soy source, salt, from Hokkaido ramen to Kyushu's a fun that you can create your original ramen! "
Captions are:You can make more than 10 thousand different ramen by your choice of ingredients! Sell your original ramen in town! You can name your original ramen! A lot of things happen in town! You can learn about interesting facts on ramen and there would be a lot of fun. Oda Mari (talk) 18:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Oda Mari! Have a great weekend! -- (talk) 17:45, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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