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Re: How is your French?[edit]

Aloha. Regarding the past discussion on Anna's page, I have placed a snippet of the text I need help with in my sandbox. Let me know if you can help. The English represents the Google translation. There's more, of course, but I'm trying to avoid copyright violation. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 05:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

@Viriditas: Those passages sure don’t look like they came from fr:Mérigny! (BTW sorry not to get on that sooner, but I want to survey some of our articles on similar topics before starting, to see how they‘re organized; the French version contains quite a bit of detail that seemed rather trivial to me, making it as much a matter of selection as of translation.) Anyway, some of this material is considerably less straightforward, and I‘m more likely to ‘get the wrong end of the stick’ without context. So I’d appreciate it if you could include links to any of the sources that are available online. Meantime I’ll have a go at a few of the worst Google efforts.—Odysseus1479 19:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Heh, you're right, this is a different subject, but still a request for help. The source is here. I guess I'm just frustrated by my inability to easily translate documents. It's 2014 going on 2015! I was under the mistaken impression that this would be easy. Rather than having you invest time in this, I'm much more interested in good strategies going forward in the future. After all, Wikipedia editors around the world at some point will need to rely on sources outside their native language. I find it hard to believe that Google translate is the best we can do. What exactly is the technological hurdle preventing us from communicating with each other in different languages? Wouldn't it be amazing to have a single entry to Wikipedia, where everyone could communicate and write in any language they desired, but still be understood based on the user language preference of the reader? Why is the idea of a universal translator still science fiction? Viriditas (talk) 20:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
It’s a deeply difficult problem. For one thing, despite recent advances in neuroscience we have little idea of how our brains acquire & process language—so there’s no good model to emulate. And even if an auto-translation can adequately capture the semantics of a text, using ‘legal‘ syntax, there‘s a much greater hurdle of producing idiomatic prose that‘s consistent in style & tone with the original. I suspect we won‘t have parity of machine & human translation until we have true artificial intelligences, such as could pass a Turing test.
Thanks for the link: I see that’s basically the whole thing. But just knowing it‘s a book review helps.—Odysseus1479 20:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
That's just the first page. I'm going to experiment with Word Lens on the second page and see what happens. Viriditas (talk) 21:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Note to self: do not use Word Lens to translate a JSTOR document. :) Viriditas (talk) 22:09, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, I’ve given what’s there a once-over—I‘ve been pretty literal, but I hope it makes a little more sense now.—Odysseus1479 22:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. When I have time, I'll upload page two. If there's anything I can do for you, please let me know. Viriditas (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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Disregard that last email. I just sent you a Dropbox link to the JSTOR article. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 09:09, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, neither has shown up. I received the daily auto-notification of your posting here, so the mail provider can’t be blocking WP generally … they’re not in the junk-box either. There is, however, a sort of reverse 419 scam I hadn’t seen before. … Hah, belay that, now I see the invitation: well sleuthed! Unfortunately that account’s tied to my work e-mail, which they want me to verify for some reason, and which I never bothered to set up at home. So unless I happen to be on that side of town this weekend, I won‘t be able to do anything about it until Monday. But I presume there’s no rush …—Odysseus1479 19:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
What does the word "rush" mean? I'm on Maui time... :) Viriditas (talk) 23:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

FYI... a thorough search of my email reveals that your Wikipedia email account rejected both of my emails unread. It isn't clear if you received the dropbox link to the JSTOR article at your other email address that you sent me. Please let me know if you did. Viriditas (talk) 22:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Since it's been about a week of me going back and forth with you, without being able to get a direct answer as to whether you received the file I sent you or not, here is a direct link to the file. Please download it and then let me know when I can remove it from dropbox. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 23:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@Viriditas: Sorry to disappear on you—crappy Internet where I was. I got your DropBox invite and downloaded the PDF on the 11th (thinking DB might have notified you of same). I don’t know what’s up with the email: I continue to receive various email notifications from WM projects, including those of your postings here, so it can‘t be that my address is incorrect or improperly registered. I went to my preferences to disable and then reënable “email from other users“, in case the setting needed refreshing for some reason, but I can’t think of anything else to try.—Odysseus1479 22:05, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I can use a different email address. Anyway, where are we on the translation? Viriditas (talk) 03:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
@Viriditas:  Working—well, let’s say Crystal Clear app clock-orange.svg In progress.—Odysseus1479 07:08, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

GOCE 2014 report[edit]

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Books and Bytes - Issue 10[edit]

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FYI[edit]

I just added a portion of the translation you did last year to The Exaltation of the Flower. [1] Please review and thanks again. Viriditas (talk) 00:32, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Merde ! I never did send you the rest of that review, did I? I‘d finished it but set it aside to reread afresh … well, I can certainly do that now! It may take me a day or two to dig up, but I‘ll get it to you ASAIC.—Odysseus1479 07:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. I just added a "translator note" to the talk page.[2] Please review. Viriditas (talk) 02:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I would like to add more from the Picard translation, particularly the lesbian connotations (or sapphic as they would say at the time) made by Hampe that Picard criticizes. However, if feels strange not knowing what Hampe actually argued about the work and relying solely on Picard's criticism. Any suggestion on how to approach this? It would be good for the article to touch upon the interpretation dispute (daughter and mother or two lovers). Viriditas (talk) 04:21, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

The nearest dead-trees copy I can find is in Vancouver, about halfway between us … Spanish Google Books will only show me a couple of paragraphs, although I might be able to add to that with a series of searches … meantime I did find & download another, shorter, review in French. Will keep looking.—Odysseus1479 04:58, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
No worries. If you feel confident adding something, please do so, however, it would be nice to have more than one "Hampe said x about y" source. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 05:13, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for The Exaltation of the Flower[edit]

Thanks from the DYK project and I Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for reflecting[edit]

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Precious[edit]

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