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Trenton-Mercer airport[edit]

You've reverted the rename/move of the article a couple months ago, stating it's probably a case like Wilkes-Barre. It's not. Here's why. The Wilkes-Barre case is the case of a hyphenated geographic location, as in "the airport located in Wilkes-Barre" (where Wilkes-Barre is the name of a city) – whereas the Trenton–Mercer Airport is a name formed by joining of two independent entities in equal standing: the city of Trenton and the Mercer County. Hence, the "Trenton–Mercer Airport" should use a dash, not a hyphen. Please rename appropriately. cherkash (talk) 11:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

The problem is, I can find no sources whatsoever actually using the dash. Quoting the guideline: "A hyphen is used by default in compounded proper names of single entities.". From all sources I can find, including the airport's website and coverage in multiple news sources, this is the exact, appropriate situation for Trenton-Mercer Airport; like Wilkes-Barre, which is a single entity named for two people, Trenton-Mercer Airport is a single entity with a compounded proper name. So it would be out of line with the sources to make te move, which is why I reverted your move in the first place. In short, it is named appropriately.oknazevad (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Two points. First, the sources. You cannot rely on sources to tell you what the correct punctuation is in subtle cases like this: most people are oblivious to subtleties in the use of punctuation – and dash vs. hyphen is one of those subtle things. The problem is of course further compounded by the difficulty in typesetting dashes in the modern computer setting – so most people would readily use a hyphen produced by the "-" key on the keyboard, without ever giving it a second thought. So just because you are finding only sources where the hyphen (or minus – how do you even tell the difference?) was used, doesn't mean it's correct and/or intentional.
Second point, the actual semantics. In case of Wilkes-Barre, it's a name of the city (a single entity) which is traditionally spelled with hyphen – and that single entity is what gives name to the Wilkes-Barre Airport (on the pattern of "X airport"). In case of Trenton–Mercer Airport, there's no such entity as "Trenton-Mercer". Instead, there are two things separately called "Trenton" and "Mercer" which give rise to the compound name of the airport (on the pattern "X–Y airport"). Compare multiple similar cases of other airport names: Charlottesville–Albemarle Airport (origin of the name is exactly the same as "Trenton–Mercer": it's a combination of Charlottsville (a city) and Albemarle (a county)), Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (combination of names of two people), Pitt–Greenville Airport (county + city), Warren–Sugarbush Airport (town + nearby resort), Phoenix–Mesa Gateway Airport (metro area + specific city in it), Austin–Bergstrom International Airport (city + person), etc. cherkash (talk) 20:02, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Actually, I can rely on first class publications like the New Tork Times (which I specifically checked) for punctuation. I wasn't just speaking of web sources, either. The point remains, though, on the semantics: one airport that was specifically given a double barreled name using a hyphen. It is a proper noun, and should be kept with its proper spelling. oknazevad (talk) 00:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC) PS, there is no "Wilkes-Barre Airport"; that is not what I was referring to. I was referring to the city itself.
I see your line of reasoning. But I don't believe it's a fixed established name: you can see airport referred to alternately as "Trenton–Mercer", "Trenton Mercer" or "Trenton/Mercer" in different sources – which shows the compound nature of the name still consisting of two separate entities (city + county). See e.g. here and here for NJ/Mercer County official website. Again, although I see the point you are trying to make, it all boils down to us not looking for the sources pointing to the correct spelling/punctuation (it's a wrong question to ask), but for the sources pointing to the correct semantics from which the correct spelling will follow according to standard rules. And this leads to understanding that the name is compound of the "X–Y airport" type (with X and Y being independent entities of equal standing) rather than "X airport" type (where X is an established entity in itself, which it is not in this case – as there is no such thing as Trenton-Mercer outside the context of this airport's name). Oh, and by the way, Wilkes-Barre as a city, not airport, is a bad example: the rules for geographic names (and their hyphenization) are different from other conventions on hyphen/dash. cherkash (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

More power to you![edit]

Hey! Thanks for doing some cleanup work on RPG articles, always good to see another person helping out. :) BOZ (talk) 00:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Glad to help. Getting back into the hobby, so it's been a good way to remember what I know. I've added the RPG project (and D&D project) to my watchlist, so you'll be seeing me around. oknazevad (talk) 01:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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Thank you, railfan, for your contributions to articles on transportation, for work on templates ("Good thinking and a nice bold move") and for quality edit summaries when you clean articles from blue, POV and crystalball, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 551st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Looking for assistance updating the Verizon Enterprise Solutions article[edit]

Hello, I'm reaching out to you as I see you recently made some improvements to the Verizon Communications article. I'm an employee of Verizon, and am working to improve a few articles here on Wikipedia. Because of my conflict of interest, I don't make edits myself. Instead, I upload suggestions and ask volunteer editors to review what I've done and, if everything looks okay, implement the changes.

I've recently drafted a new version of the Verizon Enterprise Solutions article, which, as you can see, is quite short. You can view my draft in my userspace, and I posted a brief description of it at Talk:Verizon Enterprise Solutions.

If you have time, do you think you might be able to review my draft and move it over to replace the current, short article if seems acceptable?

Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Greyhound routes[edit]

Hello. I was wondering if you could help expand the list of greyhound routes because I feel that people don't know much at all about the bus services that greyhound provides. Also, it would be great if the infobox for the greyhound bus routes were customized for greyhound, e.g. adding restroom availability, and perhaps more info about rest stops, meal stops, etc. I've been on greyhound a number of times and would have liked to have a wiki article for the routes I traveled. Thanks in advance for any help! Jay (talk) 02:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

It's been longstanding consensus here that individual bus routes are not notable and should not have individual articles. List of Greyhound routes is sufficient coverage. The sort of details about rest stops and meal stops you mention is clearly against the policy WP:NOTTRAVEL and doesn't belong in this encyclopedia. So, I decline to aid such an effort, as I think it is wasted and is not something is support in any fashion. oknazevad (talk) 02:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hello - I found another new vandalistic post on the SummerSlam article, it's been ongoing for some time. But this time it was done by a user who you apparently had warned previously, so, I followed up with a message on their talk page. I also undid their edit on the SummerSlam page; the event is Sunday, so, there might be lots of that type of activity that night. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 01:56, 17 August 2014 (UTC)