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Speedy deletion of File:1930s photo of the foreshore above Jeffrey Street 001 001004.jpg[edit]

hello Orangemike

Apologies if I missed earlier warnings, or if the file was incorrectly tagged however can I check please your speedy deletion of this photograph. The photograph was important to the article. The reference citation in the article on Jeffrey Street was as follows and my recollection is that a similar citation was present on the photo page:

"View to St. Aloysius' College above foreshores of Kirribilli" (photo). 1 copyprint; b&w; 204 x 254 mm, This photograph shows construction on foreshores of Kirribilli above Jeffrey Street. Above the foreshores is St. Aloysius; College incorprating Dr. Cox's home. Whilst barely visible above the trees is the tower of Star of the Sea Church. The homes Greencliffe and Craiglea are also visible on the right hand side above M. Steel boatshed. Jeffrey Street Wharf and Jeffrey Street: North Sydney Council, original publisher unknown. 1930s. Retrieved 27 June 2010. "Image 001\001004" 

The file appears on the Local Government website and the source attributes the photo to "c 1930s". I thought (mistakenly) that all of the correct tags has been used both in the article and also on the photo page. I refer also to the Australian Copyright Council which states that in Australia Copyright has expired in photos taken prior to 1 January 1955. This photograph is therefore approximately 20 years out of copyright. Refer to the copyright regulation here.

<http://www.copyright.org.au/find-an-answer/browse-by-what-you-do/photographers/>

Can I seek your advice please as to how to reverse this or what additional "public domain" style tag you feel was missing which should have been present on this photo to cover any other countries copyright laws etc? This photo has been on this article for almost four (4) years and this is the first time that the PD status / copyright of these very old photos has been raised as an issue.

Is my deleted article stored in the Wikipedia database?[edit]

I was told my article about Claudia Caporal was deleted because it was biased and I was too "close" to her to be able to write her article. Is there a way to rescue the writing I did for it so that I may then edit it to an appropriate stage for publishing? Thank you. KatieLee92 (talk)

Periodic general health checks and the Medcan Clinic[edit]

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Markit[edit]

Hi Orange Mike,

Thanks for your response to my suggestions, I have left a reply on Markit's talk page that I would be grateful if you read.

Thanks

SarahLouiseRoberts (talk) 08:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mike,

I have left one last reply on Markit's talk page, would appreciate it if you could have a quick look.

Thanks

212.161.34.130 (talk) 10:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Orange Mike. My article on Philip Howell has mostly 90% abstraction from letters, and quotes from contemporary sources. I am about to wade through the reference[edit]

....wade through the citations. The only thing that is added is some historical facts to place these in context. This man lived 100 hundred years ago. I never knew him. If you would like to point out what statements of fact you are unhappy about please do point these out. JCFHowell (talk) 23:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The article is completely adulatory, repeatedly cast in a defensive manner as if to justify his every move in the eyes of history. It is acrawl with Victorian-style gratuitous honorifics. It quotes extensively from contemporary friends and admirers, and his doting widow. Until I removed that bumfodder, it contained a scurrilous and suggestive rant against one of the most admired women of her era, a pioneer suffragist known to this day while Howell is mostly forgotten. It leans on primary sources and totally fails to draw on modern scholarship, leading one to suspect that he is not considered a significant figure by historians of the Great War.
I would be delighted to see the article improved with edits that address these weaknesses.
I note that you have also not mentioned your exact relationship to this fellow: great-grandson? Great-great-nephew? --Orange Mike | Talk 23:34, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
@JCFHowell: I would also guide you to our policy against "abstracting from letters" etc., or what Wikipedia calls "original research". Wikipedia editors do not work from and mill primary sources, we merely compile what experts have already analyzed and published in reliable sources. ((talk page stalker)) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your comments. Please take this in the good humour intended, but they sound like some caricature of a "Victorian" editor in some respects!

I had been endeavouring to cut back the article, as I was aware that there would be some argument against the reliability of a "doting widow" (although I think you do serious underestimate said lady, in that respect!) and also that Wikipedia is a reference site and not a forum. However, I have had some issues editing as the text keeps reverting to original - is this because of a) Wikipedia editing process, b) automation issues, or c) the fact that I am using IPad to edit which I think may have some platform issues with editing process.

Your comment raises some expected issues

I am in fact the grandson of the subject - but I don't think this should impede the process or detract from achieving an impartial final result. In fact I had thought to stop the article after the first few paragraphs, but then was drawn in to the process by reading other articles which extend quite a bit (eg Gough, etc) - which then mention Howell (Howell clashed with Gough - subordinates, etc) This has been part of the motive of submitting an article, as their has been increased interest in the era in UK because of "centinary", remembrance etc, and there seemed to be quite an omission wherever he is referred to, or has been "misquoted" by your so-called "experts". More particular there has been some recent academic reappraisal of British commanders, which hold these in a more positive light. Staff officers have also come under greater scrutiny. With regard to the work of "doting widow", this has been used by several qualified historical tomes, so in some respects achieved some recognition for accuracy. I have been personally wanting to avoid issue of "conflict of interest", etc so really wanted to submit material for your editing process - rather than create any additional cause for debate.

You raise some issues - although the invective may be a little laboured.

1.) Victorian "honorifics" - most of these are military rather than particularly Victorian and apply today as much as they did three hundred years ago. I am not sure if you were in the trenches you would see these as "gratuitous, etc" rant. But I am with you that simple terms are better. No point in being gran-diose!

2.) Adulation - re-reading I don't agree the piece is mostly adulation, but primarily list of appointments (slightly boring perhaps! - but the point of reference.) I have been using the "doting widow's" tome, primarily to correct dates, as your so-called experts have these wrong. There are references to comments made of ability, etc. - I think rather than adulatory, these were characterised by defence of the vilification issue, etc. - which you have now removed - or quite genuinely expressing opinion of a fairly impressive military career.. I don't think there has been any purpose in lionising the subject, today. Merely to put forward the case that not all British general's were not all characterised by a "buffoon" caricature superimposed by later generations. However, I have started to take out unnecessary adjectives and superlatives, especially if a bit "flowery."

3) Adulatory Editorial Wiki Comment about Pankhurst, etc! - I deliberately put this in to stimulate a reaction from editorial! In fact I had already begun to moderate the conjecture - but came up against same system editing issues mentioned above. I don't think for the sake of status one should omit factual accounts in any true pedic reference library - this matter was debated in British parliament, for example - and omitting facts on the basis of heresy does not make for good historical or biographical accuracy. Is it heresy to say that Pankhurst through her own actions was not entirely the angel some make of her? I think not! The factual point is that some controversy raised doubts which caused him to be recalled from a complicated sector of war, which Pankhurst's pamphlet was at the centre of, and which there was an argument about libel - which in the event if his death was never contested. The issue sparked off some unnecessary divisiveness (pro-this or pro-that) There has also been some reappraisal of Christabel (rather than the mother) in academic circles.

I agree that this needs a carefully worded statement of fact, so as not to provoke. Therefore I will put a smaller paragraph about this for you to look at for addition. Then your readers can make their own determination or further investigation.

4.) the subject is not necessarily a non-entity as mooted or as compared to Christabel Pankhurst (contemporaneously) and this is why historians have avoided reference, blah, blah, blah! ...... I think simply a fact of not having access to material, etc, is more to the point, although much of this has started to be dug into to in some recent academic research. I have been more concerned that there are profiles of most of the other British generals, but none of Philip Howell - although referred to once or twice both on Wikepedia. I would rather someone else had done this, to be honest! In UK we are "remembering" War 1 contribution. Howell contributed quite a lot in relative obscurity. Personally I think Pankhurst contributed little to the war effort, at a time when the majority of women were working in factories, field hospitals, and driving ambulances - other than handing out white feathers to people or unjustifiably slating others. There is a wider recent academic arguing that the women's war effort was largely the motivation of justifiable change for women's rights. But I agree that Wikepedia is not the forum for that argument. Perhaps you might like to help out with some uncontroversial statement of fact about this piece of history - once you have calmed down from defending Pankhurst. It is really a question of differing perspectives - not rant.

5) Historical significance, etc. Some people court this others don't.

Oops, ....I forgot to mention, the first Pankhust/"Britannia" article was headed "Who is General Howell?" ..:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JCFHowell (talkcontribs) 15:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate these substantive responses. Could I impose upon you to continue this discussion in the appropriate venue, the talk page for the article itself? --Orange Mike | Talk 12:26, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Are you currently at UW-M?[edit]

Always glad to see Wikipedians working here, especially in the basic but useful stuff. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Orangemike. I graduated in 1972. I am now in Texas. Robert1947 (talk) 20:14, 6 September 2014 (UTC) Robert1947 (talk) 20:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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Remember [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rima Laibow]]?[edit]

You might want to take a look at it with the socks struck, and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Electromechanic. Dougweller (talk) 14:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Possible sock case[edit]

Hi Orangemike! I noticed that you and I have both admonished user Garth Carlos Fellers for adding improperly sourced content and/or soapboxing. I first ran into him at List of nicknames of United States Presidents where he tried a few times to add "Obamanation" to the list. His sources looked fabricated to me, and I couldn't find any result when I Googled them. Today, 198.47.97.49 added the same content in this edit. The IP and the logged-in user have several articles in common, some edits occurring within a few minutes of each other. Might be worth keeping an eye on these. Thanks sir, have a good day. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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User:Center4socialmedia[edit]

Please see Patricia Aufderheide, an article which just survived BLPPROD and was originally created by the above user. Sadly, the original article had no references. But thanks to a bunch of work by User:Mary Mark Ockerbloom we now have quite a decent article on a clearly notable professor. Since Center4socialmedia may be new to Wikipedia and might be encouraged to contribute further (though under a more appropriate user name) it would be helpful if you would consider unblocking them. See Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple/Unfulfilled/2014/September#center4socialmedia → CMSImpact. User:Xeno indicated he would reconsider a change of name if the user was unblocked. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Given that the account was spamming for the Center for Media & Social Impact, formerly the Center for Social Media, they don't seem to be even remotely understanding what they are doing wrong here. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
But you've blocked them indefinitely based on one single article edit, the material they added to Patricia Aufderheide. As it turns out, that was a notable topic. Surely there is hope that they can usefully contribute to other articles. EdJohnston (talk) 01:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Not if they don't understand that Professor Aufderheide's Center for Media & Social Impact can no more have an account than her Center for Social Media can. Unblocking an account with THAT name, whose sole purpose is to publicize the director of the organization in question, sends completely the wrong signal. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Info. in Support of NOT deleting the Michael and Marisa page.[edit]

Looking for your expertise and advice on how to handle this. Here is info. Sorry for the length of it.

This page has not been updated in years and needs to be. It will updated properly. New information regarding this duo demonstrates that they are a viable pop/adult contemporary duo with enough celebrity to warrant their page. New substantial information: Michael and Marisa have been written up in Billboard Magazine, on CNN.com, Huffington Post, AOL, in Parent's Magazine, J-14 magazine, and many others. Checking on google will confirm. Their anti-bullying music is part of the school curriculum of many schools across the U.S. and they are spokespeople for PACER which is described on the Wikipedia Unity Day page as a renowned anti bullying organization based in Minneapolis endorsed by Ellen Degeneres. Michael and Marisa are releasing their third album of original music written with some of the most renowned producers in music who have volunteered to co-write and produce with them. They have won major songwriting awards from a Nashville based organization (19,000+ international entries and Michael and Marisa honorable mention). Last month they were they opened all across the U.S.on the national tour of the band "Rixton" (see Wikepedia page), who is a platinum artist with a #14 song on pop radio and #1 in the U.K. Next month they are opening for Demi Lovato (X-Factor Judge, Top 40 artist, actress etc. see Wikipedia page). When doing appearances thousands of high school and college kids line up for meet and greets in cities across the U.S. Bottom line is that Michael and Marisa are celebrities that warrant a Wikipedia page, however the page needs to be updated properly with current information that shows that. Childish references like playing with Legos need to be replaced with references to being written up in Billboard Magazine, a respected magazine for the music industry. I will make sure that the page is properly updated. Michael and Marisa have had a wikipedia page since 2009 and have done 300 shows nationwide at viable venues such as the Bamboozle Tour, Six Flags Amusement Park Arenas, Whisky-a-Go-Go, Roxy, Lincoln Center, Webster Hall, NY and 100's of others. They have also done a lot of philanthropic work. In addition to PACER mentioned above, most recently they have been active with A Beautiful Life Foundation which was established to stream music into Children's Hospitals across the country. They have also held fundraising concerts for Toys for Tots and Doug Flutie's Autism charity and last month donated a concert as part of Ecofest held at Times Square in New York City. Sorry for the length of this. Trying to show that Michael and Marisa are substantial enough to warrant their page. Looking for support not to delete the page. Googling Michael and Marisa will confirm. Press is posted on their website Michaelandmarisa.com as well as info. on the producers involved. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinheadduffey (talkcontribs) 13:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

1. This is not the place for this discussion; discuss it on the Articles for Discussion page for that article.
2. Read WP:NOTCONTAGIOUS. Opening for a notable band does not make you notable.
3. Information from their own webpage is not likely to be of value; read this guidance on self-published "sources" and this on reliable sources.
4. We are not concerned with whether they do good works, or make good music; but rather whether they have become notable to the world in general. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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Do you use IRC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeropeRiddle (talkcontribs) 03:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, no. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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