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Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

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Speedy deletion of File:1930s photo of the foreshore above Jeffrey Street 001 001004.jpg[edit]

hello Orangemike

Apologies if I missed earlier warnings, or if the file was incorrectly tagged however can I check please your speedy deletion of this photograph. The photograph was important to the article. The reference citation in the article on Jeffrey Street was as follows and my recollection is that a similar citation was present on the photo page:

"View to St. Aloysius' College above foreshores of Kirribilli" (photo). 1 copyprint; b&w; 204 x 254 mm, This photograph shows construction on foreshores of Kirribilli above Jeffrey Street. Above the foreshores is St. Aloysius; College incorprating Dr. Cox's home. Whilst barely visible above the trees is the tower of Star of the Sea Church. The homes Greencliffe and Craiglea are also visible on the right hand side above M. Steel boatshed. Jeffrey Street Wharf and Jeffrey Street: North Sydney Council, original publisher unknown. 1930s. Retrieved 27 June 2010. "Image 001\001004" 

The file appears on the Local Government website and the source attributes the photo to "c 1930s". I thought (mistakenly) that all of the correct tags has been used both in the article and also on the photo page. I refer also to the Australian Copyright Council which states that in Australia Copyright has expired in photos taken prior to 1 January 1955. This photograph is therefore approximately 20 years out of copyright. Refer to the copyright regulation here.

<http://www.copyright.org.au/find-an-answer/browse-by-what-you-do/photographers/>

Can I seek your advice please as to how to reverse this or what additional "public domain" style tag you feel was missing which should have been present on this photo to cover any other countries copyright laws etc? This photo has been on this article for almost four (4) years and this is the first time that the PD status / copyright of these very old photos has been raised as an issue.

Is my deleted article stored in the Wikipedia database?[edit]

I was told my article about Claudia Caporal was deleted because it was biased and I was too "close" to her to be able to write her article. Is there a way to rescue the writing I did for it so that I may then edit it to an appropriate stage for publishing? Thank you. KatieLee92 (talk)

Periodic general health checks and the Medcan Clinic[edit]

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September 2014[edit]

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Reply for user page deletion[edit]

Please comment on the following page Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Abhishek_Pujari. I have removed all the controversial links and texts from Abhishek Pujari's User Page. Also, can I now remove the page deletion tag that was added to my user page? Thanks. Abhishek Pujari (talk) 09:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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COI declaration[edit]

I know that you are a firm believer in following COI directions to the letter, so I want to make sure everything I have been doing is in line with Wikipedia policy. I am currently working on the Wikia page, and would like advice from someone with a lot of experience to ensure my edits are in line with Wikipedia policy. I have a lot of knowledge about the site from my work elsewhere, but do want to make sure that they I am not missing anything as regards Wikipedia policy. I appreciate your help and advice. Yogi Beara (talk) 23:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As Jimbo himself "those with COI should never edit the article, but should only suggest sourced changes on its talkpage". As such, any edit to the article itself would be out of line with that the panda ₯’ 23:33, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
True...but there is a difference between "strongly discouraged" and an absolute bright line rule. We are not to that point yet.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:54, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Both the Panda and Mark are right, but I too believe in a full-bore bright line. What areas are you most concerned with? --Orange Mike | Talk 00:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I am mostly concerned with some of there being unsourced material on the page and some items that are out of date according to new sources; nothing in terms of a major rewrite, removal of sourced content, or even major content addition. The page is pretty good overall. It is important to note given the above that I am not working with James Wales directly, just with Wikia (I believe he is no longer in charge of the day-to-day stuff there). I have made some minor edits, and if there is something I see that goes beyond obvious minor improvements, I was planning on using the talk page for a requested edit instead of going ahead and changing it myself, just to make sure everything is above board. For the very basic stuff though, I fear asking for 50 or 60 minor edits (spelling changes or the removal of a few words after a citation that weren't sourced) may be a bit much for a requested edit, such that I am wasting people's time. That's the last thing I would want to do. Yogi Beara (talk) 13:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Find a peaceful and mature solution[edit]

Dear Mr. Michael J. Lowrey (Administrator Orangemike)

I am writing to you because I want to find a peaceful, mature solution with you which will please both of us. The situation is that I edited several articles concerning British education lately. I am very engaged in the study of the Education System of the United Kingdom and simply wanted to delete archaic and out-of-date information which have no contemporary relevance and to therefore simplify British education articles to make them more succinct and easier to read. Of course, Orangemike (if I may call you by your username), I understand that editing Wikipedia articles is also subjective to a great extent. I also understand that you as the administrator are in charge and obviously more powerful within Wikipedia than me so that I am approaching you, as explained before, to ask you for a peaceful and sophisticated solution to our "conflict".

Reading your user page I was actually surprised that you disapproved of my editing geared towards shortening articles since you seem to be (just like me) a supporter of the delitionist wing within the inclusionist-delitionist debate.

I only saw this measure as a way of contacting you because I would not create an account since the one and only topic I am really interested in editing is just the British education system.

Thank you for your time.

Best, R. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1205:5038:BEC0:108D:21A6:849E:8560 (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I tend to the deletionist side because I believe that we need fewer, but better articles here. Your edits were all removals of information, simply in order to shorten the articles. If information is accurate, and sourced, there is no reason whatsoever to remove it. We are not a paper encyclopedia; there is no merit in terseness qua terseness. Indeed, we have an entire eco-system of tags called stub tags, dedicated to signaling some willing editor: "Behold, here is an article in a field wherein you've taken an interest: make it longer, more detailed, more encyclopedic."
There is no quarrel between us. I merely ask that you improve articles which you find stale, flat and unprofitable by augmenting them: by adding details, nuances, subtleties, of which an auslander like myself will not be aware, until you enlighten us. Save your metaphorical machete for the partisan, the crusader for The Truth™; for the character assassins and rumormongers; and for the smarmy, the euphemistic, the misleading, and the ever-present peacock words of which the advertiser and the huckster are so fond. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:53, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I thought I would be able to find a peaceful solution by writing to you in a polite way. I was obviously wrong. You don't seem to be interested in any way to solve the problem which occurred. Instead, after reading your last post, I believe you simply wanted to degrade me in your last post; demonstrating your "power" in order to strengthen your(supposedly)weak ego. Don't you find it shameful, primitive and immature to get snotty towards a complete stranger just to boost your self-esteem? Especially towards someone who actually approached you in a polite way anyway... I don't know what personal problems you have that makes you behave towards strangers like this but I hope you will get better soon and if you need help then you should get some. It is not shabby if someone gets help. Remember this.

Hopefully, this was not too "smarmy", "euphemistic" and "peacock"-like while still polite. As said before, I am fully aware of your position at Wikipedia and tried to approach you with respect and politeness. However, if you feel that because of your privileges you have to, bluntly speaking, show-off and humiliate others then you shouldn't wonder when there is at least someone who will defy you. Still, I am interested in a peaceful solution and to communicate in a polite and mature manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1205:5038:BEC0:9D46:558:8C88:4392 (talk) 08:49, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

???? I am totally non-plussed by your response to my comments. I am welcoming and urging you to contribute to this project, and explaining the kinds of edits which we find most helpful. I was not accusing you of any of the literary offenses I enumerated, but merely urging you to join the rest of us in expanding the good and trimming the bad. I was not getting snotty towards you, I was welcoming you as a potentially valuable contributor in the fields where you have an interest. I remain gobsmacked and puzzled by your response. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Dear Admin Orangemike,

In all honesty, but your post is contradictory to me too. You say you would like to welcome me as an editor, yet you blocked all my edits. You say you are a potential deletionist and would welcome me "trimming the bad", yet you rebuked me when I wanted to edit while making articles succinct. And I also don't believe that you would really appreciate me anyway, one editor more or less, it doesn't really matter, especially if the editors' editing is edited by the admin anyway. Be that as it may, whether your post is contradictory or not, whether you are right or wrong or whether I am right or wrong doesn't matter because in a situation where I am a user without any rights whereas you are an admin with all the power and privileges, you will always be right, at least in the spheres of Wikipedia. That's why I believe arguing with you, the admin, makes no sense because me, as an ordinary user, I will always be the loser.

Therefore, I ask you (yes, me, the general user, implores you, the mighty admin) to please accept my edits, to deblock me and to give me back some rights.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1205:5038:BEC0:142:FB8D:106B:A99F (talk) 13:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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Traduksciigo: Wikidata:Contribute[edit]

Saluton Orangemike,

vi ricevas tiun ĉi mesaĝon, ĉar vi registriĝis kiel tradukisto de la lingvo Orangemike ĉe Wikidata. La paĝo Wikidata:Contribute estas tradukpreta. Vi povas traduki ĝin ĉe:

La prioritato de tiu ĉi paĝo estas meza.


Ni tre aprezos vian helpon. Tradukistoj kiel vi helpas al Wikidata funkcii kiel vere multlingva komunumo.

Dankon!

traduk-kunordigantoj de Wikidata‎, 13:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

SMH Records[edit]

I could use some help trying to sift through this article. it was previously afd'd but they've recreated with a lot of sources but most are trivial mentions at best and some not at all. Trying to determine if it needs to go back to AFD.. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:58, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

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Steaming piles of crap[edit]

Morning Mike. Please could you avoid referring to new editors' attempts to contribute, however pathetic, as "a steaming pile of crap" and "hucksterism".

Pointing out that the submission was "full of promotional language, first-naming and fulsome praise", as well as being a copyright violation, and also mentioning the conflict of interest, would have been entirely sufficient. Many new contributors simply do not know that this is not Facebook or MySpace, and telling them so politely can be effective.

If you can't find it within yourself to avoid such unpleasantness, please do it somewhere I won't see it, and therefore won't be tempted to revert it.

Thank you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:07, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

I concede your point, Demi, and I thank you for calling me on it. While I still feel that my characterization is quite accurate, I concede that it was perhaps not politic to say so out loud. I do not feel, however, that anybody who could post something like that is likely to ever become a useful contributor in the mode of, say, CorporateM. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:35, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
What is the editor/article in question? CorporateM (Talk) 21:13, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Draft:Dean Graziosi, by User:DGenterprise, who admits that Graziosi is a client of his. It is full of such jewels as, "Dean has been blessed enough to change the lives of hundreds of thousands of people across the whole world with his passion and desire to help others." (and that's not even the worst). --Orange Mike | Talk 23:46, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

OrangeMike: How do you even know who Dean Graziosi is? He in fact has helped thousands of people across the world and for you to make him sound like a "worthless piece of crap" is completely embarrassing. Instead of being an absolute ass hole about the whole situation, you could have simply informed me of the writings you did not like and I could have changed it. Now if you decide to talk like an adult instead of treating me like an uninformed child, I would like to speak with you. A simple edit could have done, the name calling however, was childish. Please contact me when you have a calmer head and are ready to talk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGenterprise (talkcontribs) 00:32, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Since I have never met Graziosi, it would be obnoxious and despicable for me to call him (a human being like myself and yourself) a "worthless piece of crap"; and in fact, I did not do so.
But since I've been writing professionally for thirty years, I do reserve the right to call a piece of promotional drivel a piece of promotional drivel. As User:CorporateM, himself a marketing professional, can attest, I am quite firm in insisting that promotion and publicity find no toeholds here. The piece you posted was entirely composed of promotion: of peacock words, of first-naming and gleeful unsourced claims of marvelousness and a pep-rally tone that may be acceptable in a marketing brochure aimed at the desperate and credulous, but has no place in a reference work such as this. I had naively assumed that everyone understood this by now. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:43, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't look like any changes could be made that would make the article acceptable. In order for Mr. Graziosi to qualify for a Wikipedia article, we require at least two credible, independent sources (such as The New York Times, Fortune Magazine, or a respected trade magazine) that have covered him in substantial depth, such as through an extensive profile. My searches for archived newspapers, Google News, Google Books, etc. only reveal press releases and books written by him. He does not qualify for a Wikipedia page. Most "gurus" or "experts" do not, unless they invent something, create a billion dollar business or do something else truly substantial in the scope of world history. CorporateM (Talk) 01:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Regarding @Demiurge1000's point about civility, I do think we should treat all people with respect, even if they are not and will never be useful contributors as a matter of human dignity. OrangeMike has seen me thoughtfully persuade editors to abstain and for them to understand that their objectives cannot be served here; that should be our first reflex and it is much more effective. But it does matter that the article has already been deleted 3 times (4 now) and in the case of that level of persistence, I have more support for beating off the editor with a stick and less sympathy to the article subject who is obviously not getting the hint. I recommend salting the page. CorporateM (Talk) 01:30, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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ZPE Systems[edit]

Hi Mike, Thanks for your message regarding my ZPE Systems entry. I made a page about my company ZPE Systems. ZPE has been around since 2013 and have crafted a new type of software appliance that no other company has created in similar fashion, to date, for managing both physical and virtual data center assets. I don't think the format is what's wrong - it's based on a similar company in our industry. Is the lack of "notability" the main cause of deletion? Please advise. We have been covered in the technology press already so am wondering what else is missing. Thank you for your help. I consult for ZPE, and although I am not compensated specifically to promote ZPE on wikipedia, I thought it should be included as another example of a valley tech company startup within a very niche space of data center asset administration. Thanks for any feedback you may have. I can try to rewrite the post keeping in mind COI... 104.36.252.114 (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC) -Ken

Please Note[edit]

Hi Mike, I sent you an e-mail about adverts you added to an Article that I had created. Would appreciate your attention(Isamalarre (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC))

Teacher in Sweden needs help[edit]

Hello, Orange Mike! I see that you are active with the campus ambassadors program. I was wondering if you can help a user named User:Karin Steen, a teacher in Sweden, who has been trying to set up something to use Wikipedia in her classes. I encountered her when she launched this into mainspace as an article. It was obviously not an article so it got moved to a draft. But apparently what she had in mind was some kind of overall structure to which her students could link while working in their sandboxes. She then asked me on my talk page for help, but I haven't a clue. Do you want to work with her? If you don't have time or inclination, just let me know and I will ask someone else. Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! --MelanieN (talk) 18:30, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Electricdisk[edit]

Re User talk:Electricdisk: I'm inclined to accept his unblock request in light of his explanation and request to remove the links he added. Do you object? ~Amatulić (talk) 17:43, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm good with that. Just keep an eye on the new account for a few months, maybe? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Will do. I wish there were some tool to alert administrators to activity from a particular account, but I can understand the potential for stalking abuse in such a thing. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

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Question[edit]

I don't understand. Somedifferentstuff was constantly reverting my edits. He's done so twice already today. The edit warring page on Wikipedia says I should place that warning on his page, so he doesn't do it a third time (in which case he would be blocked). How can it be vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnonymousGANGSTA2568 (talkcontribs) 02:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

That template is for a talk page. You don't edit somebody else's userpage, except to revert vandalism. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, got it! Thanks! Sorry, I'm new :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnonymousGANGSTA2568 (talkcontribs) 02:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think of "been editing since July of 2012" as being new here. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
In fairness, depending on how you look at it, only 200 edits since 2012 may still qualify as "new" in the sense of "inexperienced". ~Amatulić (talk) 03:34, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
AnonymousGANGSTA2568 Regarding the article you have shown an interest in, it looks pretty good at-a-glance. It is difficult to write neutral articles on political-related topics, because there is so much campaigning going on for and against the candidate and a lot of spin or mis-information. I don't know what to think of the Business section, because it doesn't seem to explain the significance, if any, of his relationship to Rajat Gupta, except that it exists and seems to be fairly trivial in scope. I am somewhat familiar with the situation with Gupta, due to my COI work on the McKinsey & Company page, where he use to be the managing director (CEO). For the McKinsey page there are significant sources that discuss the effect the situation has on them and their reputation, but in this case there doesn't seem to be anything except "hey he knows the guy in the news." And if $50k is trivial to him as described, than he must have some more substantial business dealings than just that. Cheers. CorporateM (Talk) 05:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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