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Kyrgyzstan photos are here![edit]

Hi! I hope your move is going well and you'll be settled in soon. I've returned home myself, and I've uploaded my Kyrgyzstan photos to flickr [1]. I'm not sure which ones to use, and I do need more information about some of them. If you have info, or want to suggest which ones to use, please leave comments on the photos -- I think that will be easier than leaving comments on my talkpage because it'll be difficult to identify photos based on talkpage comments alone. Aelfthrytha (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey -- I'm working at a law firm for the summer and my brain is pretty much broken. If you want to grab and upload the pictures, you have my permission, but I can't get to it before I stop work at the end of this month. Aelfthrytha (talk) 00:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Jim N E Cricket, its another Oregon Collaboration of the Week[edit]

Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it is time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week! A big thanks to those who helped out in improving Tom McCall and the Willamette Meteorite last week. This week we have a request for Mr. Greg Oden who has been back in the news as of late, so hopefully we can get him up to B class before training camp starts. Then we have a Hospital red link drive with plenty of opportunity for DYKs! As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Bu bye. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Payne (lobbyist)[edit]

Hi, someone seems interested in adding lots of new text to Stephen Payne (lobbyist). However, they seem to be inserting text inside the references in a strange way. Can you just check and make sure it's all formatted properly? Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 22:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Ssssh, Be Very Very Quiet, its Oregon COTW time[edit]

Howdy folks, its time for this week’s edition of Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week. First off, great job the last two weeks with Greg Oden & the Hospital red link drive. We had close to ten new hospital articles and two DYKs (Symbol question.svg) plus other improvements to the list itself. So thank you to those who helped out. This week, we have on a sad note Kevin Duckworth, and the Statesman Journal. Duckworth should have plenty of sources so hopefully in tribute we can get his article up to standards. With the SJ, hopefully we can get it above a stub so all three of the top three papers are no longer stubs, and maybe even a DYK and GA like we got from the Register-Guard? Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Hasta la bye bye. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:ORE COTW Version 2.2[edit]

Hello WikiProject Oregon contributors. It's time for another COTW. Thank you to those who helped improve Kevin Duckworth and the Statesman Journal last week, we received another DYK (Symbol question.svg) for the SJ. This week, by request we have Mr. Ken Kesey and not by request Nike, Inc.. Nike is the only Start class article in the top 30 of those articles selected for the hard copy edition, and it could easily be improved to B class. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Red red links make me feel so fine...[edit]

Greetings WikiProject Oregon editors. It's time for another edition of the COTW. Thank you to those who helped improve Ken Kesey and the Nike, Inc. last week. This week, by request we have the Northwest Forest Plan and then a Red Link Elimination Drive. For the red links, pick any one you want from any article, the list provided is just to help make it easier. And if you get a good article started, don’t forget to nominate it for a DYK. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Very Special COTW, act now![edit]

Greetings WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is once again time for another edition of the COTW. Thank you to those who helped eliminate some red links the last few weeks (the NWFP received little attention). This week, we have the stub High Desert Museum and then in honor of losing airline service again, McNary Field. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

National Library of the Kyrgyz Republic[edit]

Has a photo finally! Aelfthrytha (talk) 05:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

XXX<-COTW->XXX[edit]

Howdy WikiProject Oregon humans. Time for another edition of the C to the O to the T to the W. Thanks to those who help out on McNary Field and Bend’s High Desert Museum. For this week, we shall tackle Bridges on US 101 and then with the last few days of decent weather, The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. Plenty of red links on the bridge list, or improve a stub! Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Elect the Best Financed, Least Offensive Person For the Job (aka Oregon COTW)[edit]

Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another COTW. But first, just remember that those other guys only want to raise your taxes, but I won’t. A big thank you to those who helped make improvements to Bridges on US 101 and participating in The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. And unlike the other guys, I won’t ship your jobs overseas! This week, we have Mr. Bipartisan Wayne Morse who went from being a Republican to an Independent and finally to a Democrat. Then, let’s see if we can finish up creating articles for members of the Oregon House before their January inauguration. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I’m Aboutmovies, and I approve this message. Paid for the committee to elect Aboutmovies. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Harvest Time @ COTW[edit]

Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another edition of the fabled COTW. Thank you to all who helped make improvements to Wayne Morse and creating some members of the Oregon House. This week, we have by request Upper Klamath Lake which think made the news lately with a salmon plan. Then, in honor of the end of the harvest time, we will go farming with Fort Stevens. There is a beautiful link farm in the article that is ripe for harvesting into citations. It should provide for a bountiful feast, or alternatively you can take your hoe to it and weed some out. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. WARNING: COTW is not approved for children under 3 and may contain choking hazards for small children. DO NOT leave your child unattended with COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for edits to Bukharan PSR[edit]

Thanks for this edit of Bukharan People's Soviet Republic. Don't know how I and everyone else missed all that for 2 years. — AjaxSmack 09:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Шанхайская организация сотрудничества[edit]

Мне показалось, что ШОС не центро-азиатская организация, а евразийская. К тому же там очень много этих окошек. А участники и так уже перечислены во многих местах. Вы вообще меня преследуете :-)? Emilfaro (talk) 08:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Вот взять, например, European Union: там внизу не перечислены страны участники евросоюза. И нет никаких центро-европейских союзов... Or should I speak English? Emilfaro (talk) 08:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

This is prodigal55 -- you left a message on my talk page this past December 4.

It is correct that my account under user name prodigal55 has only been used to edit the KIMEP article. If I were to make edits under this name to other Wikipedia articles where I have the knowledge and interest to do so, it would be easy from the "contributions" page for members of the "trash KIMEP" brigade, such as bushmills2000 who has recently reinstated inflammatory content into that article, to guess my identity. Hence I have used other user names when editing other articles.

The "controversies" section of the KIMEP article is so blatantly in conflict with Wikipedia's insistence on "neutral point of view" that neither I nor anyone else should have to edit it -- it should not be there in the first place -- hence my earlier deletion.

I have no problem with no lolnger making edits to the KIMEP article. But "neutral point of view" needs to be enforced consistently, to edits made by disgruntled ex-faculty as well as serving administrators.Prodigal55 (talk) 19:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Assyrian Christian Stele[edit]

Thank you for what you tried to do here. The guy is not having it. Can we get an admin? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 21:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of is get 3O or find another admin, I will look into it. You're right about the apathy or lack of reading. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
  • This move discussion has been interesting, sometimes amusing. See last paragraph in User talk:Aymatth2#Stele. I actually thought it would be an uncontroversial proposal to use a more neutral primary name, leaving the common name as a redirect. Obviously not. There will clearly be no consensus that the move should be done. After reading the arguments I reluctantly have to agree that it should not move. If you have no objection I would like to close the discussion. Do you know the right process? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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It is sort of interesting subject - not a new one. I have read a few books that mentioned it. In the early days there were many intense controversies over the nature of Christ and his relationship with God, subtle distinctions of wording that caused excommunications, counter-excommunications, anathemas and even wars. It is hard to throw one's mind into the way people thought in those days, but the distinctions to them were much more important than any worldly concerns since they were about eternal life after death. As I recall, Nestorius went too far for most orthodox thinkers in making a fairly sharp distinction between the human and divine natures of Christ. The Syriac Christians were more sympathetic to Nestorius's views than the Greeks (there may have been some subtleties lost in translation between Aramaic and Greek) but under the leadership of Babai the Great they mostly moved to the more mainstream view that both natures existed but were inextricably intermingled. Although they considered Nestorius was a wise man and a Saint, they did not consider themselves "Nestorians". However, the Greeks and Romans continued to call them Nestorians, implying that they were heretics, which the Syriac Christians violently denied. An ancient controversy. The Nestorian tag was accepted as received truth by Western scholars, based on its universal usage in the huge Roman Catholic literature and the inaccessibility of Syriac sources.

When the Jesuits reached China, at a time when the Roman Catholic church was fighting hard against protestant "heretics" in the west and Orthodox, Coptic etc. "heretics" in the east, they were surprised to find evidence of earlier Christians in the area, and naturally labeled them "Nestorians" - not true Christians. That label has stuck. It is an inaccurate label, slightly insulting to the Syriac Christians. A bit like Papist or Mohammedan - a distortion of their beliefs. The more serious non-Catholic scholars in the last century or so have usually referred to the famous tablet as the "so called Nestorian stele", or something like that, but the common usage for Westerners who do not care about these ancient theological debates is simply "Nestorian Stele".

If Wikipedia had existed 30 years ago, it would probably have had an entry for Red Indian, but now that term redirects to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. We have accepted the new term as more correct, and the term "Red Indian" has dropped out of use. Perhaps some day we will start to see "Nestorian" as an incorrect term to use for the early Christians who prosyletized in China. The term is not used for the Syriac-origin churches that have long been established in Southern India, now called the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church. I would not be comfortable with Assyrian Church of the East as a politically correct alternative to "Nestorian" when talking about the early Chinese and Mongolian Christians, because the early Syriac churches split and merged and split again into various successor churches, of which today's Assyrian Church of the East is just one. I would prefer the simpler "Syriac Christian". But this is academic. Until "Nestorian" is perceived as politically incorrect in describing these early Christians, which may take a very long time indeed, I have to accept that it is the preferred name based on the relevant Wikipedia policies.

What amazes me is the amount of passion that this academic quibble about the name of an ancient stone has generated. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

blindly reverting[edit]

Hey Otebig, any chance you can participate in the discussions at Talk:Kyrgyzstan and Wikipedia talk:Lead section rather than just blindly reverting? TungstenCarbide (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

An apology[edit]

Hi Otebig, I apologize for not leaving you a note here to let you know exactly my rationale on closing the Afd early. Probably would've saved you an aneurysm. :) From your second post to my talk page, I think you understand my reasoning now, but if you have any further concerns, please let me know so I can help out. Cheers,--Aervanath (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:SDU logo.jpg[edit]

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Kazakh Image[edit]

Hi, I have taken this picture in 1987. Our guide told us that these people were Kazakhs but I have not personally talked with them. So I cannot affirmed that they were actually Kazakhs. Bgag (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Kazakhs photos[edit]

Hello, may you change this photos: "A. Kasteev", "Market vendor", "Kazakhs Nomades in China"?? I think that photos not actual and not pretty for World WikipediA. --Kazakhstani_Admin (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Good luck![edit]

Mensch5.png The Barnstar of Integrity
I award you for being a man worthy of that name. And also thank you for the help with trade blocs, and appreciate your interest in the SCO and "Central Asia" in general :-) Emilfaro (talk) 18:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wikiquette alert[edit]

Thanks for taking the action and thanks for informing me. His behavior is very alarming -- including his user page. In (almost) the same vein, you may find it interesting to peruse the latest postings by anon on Talk:Döner kebab and this posting (by the same person) on my talk page. The language and the tone are simply unbelievable. Best, --Zlerman (talk) 15:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Kazakhstan article[edit]

Thank you for your message on my talk page [2]. The removal of the {{pp-vandalism}} template by Debresser (talk · contribs) is perfectly fine as the article's protection expired on the 15th. As the article's edit history shows[3], my semi-protection of the article was just for seven days. While the article has been edited several times since this protection ended, I only count three reverts (including my own just now) in the past three days, which is not sufficiently high enough to justify protection on a high profile article like this one. Please let me know if you have any other questions or issues. Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 21:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Central Asia[edit]

Well then the term "Turkistan" also is part of history, but it was in the introduction. The term Turkistan by itself without mentioning the Iranian history and ancient civilizations of Chorasmia, Soghdiana and etc. makes it seem like the area was originally inhabitted by Altaic people and was always Turkistan. The older term actually "beyond the two rivers", and before that it was Chorasmia, Soghdiana and Parthia and etc... The definition I have of Central Asia varies actually but Mongolia and even Siberia at one time were inhabited by Scythians and other Iranian nomads before the expansions of Altaic people. Plus the statement from Bosworth is also a UNESCO publication. I do not see any harm mentioning this important historical info, since the term "Turkistan" is also mentioned, but that term comes in much later period after displacement, absorption of the original Iranian population. Also if modern groups are mentioned, then ancient Iranian peoples like Alans, Scythians, Chorasmians and Soghdians should be mentioned. Specially Soghdians who played a major role. So I see it simply a balancing the intro or else the reader will miss the important information on the original inhabitants and will think that the area was called Turkistan from ancient times.--Nepaheshgar (talk) 03:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

File:Bush and Nazarbayev.jpg[edit]

Just to let you know that I recently copied the above image that you uploaded to Wikipedia over to WikiMedia Commons, the Wikimedia central media repository for all free media. The image was either individually tagged or was in a category tagged with the {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}} template. Your image is now available to all Wikimedia projects at the following location: Commons:File:Bush and Nazarbayev.jpg. The original version of the image uploaded to Wikipedia has been tagged with WP:CSD#F8. Cheers! --Captain-tucker (talk) 18:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC) --Captain-tucker (talk) 15:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Department of Central Eurasian Studies (Indiana University)[edit]

Updated DYK query On 3 May, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Department of Central Eurasian Studies (Indiana University), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 09:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Archiving my talk page[edit]

Thanks for calling my attention to this. A number of users keep pouring tons of (very important) information into my talk page, and the possibility of having to refer to this information at some point in time makes me put off archiving. But I agree that my talk page has become unmanageable and I will attend to this. Thank you again. And, needless to say, I appreciate very much what you are doing on Kazakhs and Kazakhstan. Best, --Zlerman (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

SPI cases[edit]

If you wish to re-open an SPI case, please go to WP:SPI and follow the instructions. Just adding comments to an archived case will NOT do the trick. Mayalld (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

おい![edit]

I think I know you! Though is this sort of comment inappropriate for a user talk page? I'll admit, I've got no idea what I'm doing. --Chouji Ochiai (talk) 06:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Uzbekistan: IMF's role[edit]

Thanks for your note. The fact is that IMF guided and prodded them every step of the way, and in my assessment nothing would have happened without that. I will find a proper reference for IMF's active involvement and insert it in the proper place. This will be toward the end of the week, as I am presently busy with other things outside wiki. Regards, --Zlerman (talk) 00:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Urumqi riots[edit]

Please don't blank article content without reason, as you did here. The section is linked from the main page, you need to get some consensus before changing it (essentially moving article content to a new location). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I just saw that another user created a relatively detailed recounting of the events at User:Ohconfucious/2009 Xinjiang civil unrest. Personally I don't like it, but this could solve the problems—it provides enough additional information that it, along with your article, is worth having as a standalone article, and it gives specific details that are nice to know but I didn't want to include in the ETim page because it would bog down the summary style. If you have no objections, I could merge the history of that article into yours, effectively merging the two articles together under the July 2009 Ürümqi riots title. After that I would also withdraw the AfD. Is this an acceptable solution? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll get to doing it right now. Please don't edit the article for a minute (or, if you are in the middle of editing, make sure you copy your work into Word or something so you don't accidentally lose it), because merging the histories will require me to delete the article for a few seconds and then restore it. As soon as that is done, I will change the link on the main page so it points directly to this article instead of to the ETim article. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I've merged the histories, done some quick cleanup on the article, and changed the link on the main page. I think everything should be ready now. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I noticed that now there is some redundancy between the Causes section and the Accusations section; we should probably just go with one. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
My mistake, I thought my edits were lost when the page was moved/deleted, I didn't see they had been moved further up. I'll remove it. Otebig (talk) 03:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  • You're jumping the gun, and your page moves are making a real mess of thing. The article 2008 Uyghur unrest exists, and there is every reason there will be more (unrest, that is). I believe the current unrest is borderline notable, but certainly deserves more space than a few paragraphs in the East Turkestan independence movement article. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Your "2009 Xinjiang unrest" article is an entirely different issue. The article we're talking about is just about today's set of riots, not the whole year. You are right that there probably will be more instances of unrest in the months to come, but see WP:CRYSTAL. You can re-create the article as a true "year's worth of unrest" article when that stuff actually happens; for now, all such an article could do is repeat what's already in the July 2009 Ürümqi riots article. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  • OK, I've read the above more carefully now. I'm OK with that. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Ok. This is fine for now, but the article should be kept as no more than a redirect until such time as there's something to add to it other than what's already said in the Riots article. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I just noticed that for the past few minutes the Main Page was still linking to the ETim article, even though I had updated the ITN template to link to the new article. This is just because of some technicalities about how Wikipedia's server updates transcluded links. I have purged the main page, and the link should be correct now. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN for July 2009 Ürümqi riots[edit]

Current events globe On 6 July, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article July 2009 Ürümqi riots, which you helped create. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 06:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

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Thanks for your cooperation through this issue and for not getting defensive when my first couple messages were probably less than friendly. Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 03:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I was just thinking today about how a few days ago I opposed the creation of this article and said "there's not much to say about it yet". Crazy to think of how much has been added since then. Looks like I was quite wrong! rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 18:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, funny coincidence... I found out yesterday that you are at IU, because I am also studying Uyghur at the summer program there. (So you can probably guess who my classmate is!) Small world, huh? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 04:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
BTW, sorry it took me a while to respond to your comments about the image (I had my hands full for a while with User:ChinaHistorian. I've left a response at the article talk page; I think we're just going to have to seek some more outside opinions, since we've hit a bit of an impasse. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 04:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Thanks for uploading this image; unfortunately, I'm not sure it meets Wikipedia's image guidelines, and have started a discussion at Talk:July 2009 Ürümqi riots#Another image about possibly removing it. I would appreciate your input there. Thanks, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 21:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Turpan vs. Turfan[edit]

Would you be interested in offering an opinion at Talk:Turpan#Title? You're the only active editor I know of with extensive experience in this area, and the tendentious editor there doesn't really know how to communicate with people, so I feel a bit like I'm just talking to myself. (By the way, you can pretty much ignore the long back-and-forth in the middle; the real discussion about the content issue is at the top and bottom of the section.) rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 01:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

"Helpful" activity[edit]

Personally, I wonder whether your own comment even remotely qualified as "helpful", but I'm going to leave that alone. The reasons are as follows:

  • 1) If you had noticed, the banner had had the parameters removed at some point, and I don't remember anyone mentioning why. I guess no one decided it was important enough to let me know about? :) How is anyone supposed to know about the project, or have reason to join it, if they don't necessarily know it exists?
  • 2) Even if there are a relatively few people interested in any country, it would obviously be of importance to them to know what articles exist, and, relatively, their relative importance to the topic. And, yes, it does make it easier, in general, to know which articles are "higher importnce" to know where to focus the most work, however little that may be. Particularly with the new "Outlines", having a fairly clear idea as to what relevant articles are out there helps.
  • 3) It also clearly helps any portal, and there is a Kazakhstan portal, to know what the "good articles" are that can be included in the portal. They can also help bring the portal recognition, and that can help stimulate interest in the content.
  • 4) Personally, the plan was also not only to go about changing the template, but then to also go through and tag all the articles relevant to that category and make a record of which made FA/GA/FL/DYK/FFA/FGA, etc., which would itself be useful to the project. And, if nothing else, knowing which articles are relevant makes it easier to keep up with the article alerts on those topics. Of course, I forgot about how resistant to any change the editors regarding that area are. Generally, giving someone an idea of where to focus attention regarding a particular topic they're reading would be counted as a good thing, and would probably, for the minimum amount of work involved by anyone else in my tagging and assesing the articles, probably be a net good for the content. But, again, I forgot about how insular the editors dealing with that part of the world are, which was rather stupid of me, really. Feel free to revert; there are other areas which have less shall we say "contentious" editors to deal with than this one. John Carter (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Carter's Problem[edit]

I left compaint regarding Carter on his talk page that is relevant to your comments.
He seems tag-happy; NOT truly interested in seriously editing articles that he tags. Rather like a dog doing business on hydrants.
Carter also becomes a tad unpleasant, with evasive and long-winded responses, if one points out these problems.
He should carefully examine his editing actions and try a different approach.
Carter is apparently an administrator, which, given the above complaint, is unsurprising, but quite annoying.
I'd be happy to mount a complaint with you or anyone regarding his "status."


Calamitybrook (talk) 02:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Feel free. You by the way come across as an arrogant borderline incompetent headcase with a penchant for misrepresentation. I never said when I would get to your little article. It should also be noted that you have more than a few problems with your own editorial history, including being utterly incapable of abiding by simple requests. John Carter (talk) 02:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Carter much favors personal attacks and hyperbole, while removing embarrassing comments from his personal talk page.
Problematic behaviour for "administrator" who repeatedly adds dubious "tags" and then claims to plan ill-informed edits that cannot be reasonably carried out.
He would benefit greatly from self-review.

Calamitybrook (talk) 02:57, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Um...I'm not totally sure what's going on here between you two. My only concern was dividing the Central Asia WikiProject into country projects/workgroups when the vast majority of articles overlap and don't fit with any one country, and when participation in the current larger WikiProject seems to be slowing. If other projects find John Carter's project/workgroup creations useful, then great. I have nothing personal against him or his edits, I just want there to be a discussion and group consensus from other WP:Central Asia participants before we drastically change the structure of the project, and right now I don't believe such a consensus exists. Wikipedia needs content editors and nuts-and-bolts editors - Carter seems to be the latter, which is an important role to play. As long as he respects the concerns and consensus of the active members in different WikiProjects, I have no problem, and certainly don't see a need to file any kind of complaint. Otebig (talk) 03:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Acting unilaterally from an uninformed perspective may be unhelpful in various contexts.
Carter hasn't responded constructively to Otebig's complaint, but opts rather to call me a "borderline headcase" etc., exhibiting an ongoing trend toward weird incivility.
Obviously this compounds various fundamental shortcomings as an administrator.


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Articles for deletion nomination of Uzbekistan 2020[edit]

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I have nominated Uzbekistan 2020, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uzbekistan 2020. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
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Let's discuss this at the AfD page, which is the appropriate venue. I still think the organization has no notability to speak of outside of Lola's antics. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


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WP Volcanoes[edit]

Hello. If you haven't noticed, I've started a structural reorganization of WikiProject Volcanoes. So far, I've beutified the head page and moved a lot of the stuff to subpages of the project, so as not to bulk the main page. As an active member of the project, this is just a notice about what's going on. Comments go on the talk page. Happy holidays, ResMar 14:08, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Uyghur language[edit]

Hey Otebig, regarding this edit, I'm not sure if you noticed but I also added the KU book in the References or Further Reading section. I didn't remove it from EL right away because I guess there's no harm in a little redundancy, but I don't know if it's necessary either. Either way, it's probably not a big deal.

Hope you're having a good winter break. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 23:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Central Asian hats[edit]

Essentially copying this question over from User talk:David Straub:

Do you happen to know if Doppa and Tubeteika are the same thing? They look like it to me, and I'm wondering if these articles should be merged. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for passing that question to Firespeaker--it's always heartwarming to find another Central Asiaphile where you're not expecting to!
By the way, the Urumqi riots article is up at FAC now (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/July 2009 Ürümqi riots/archive1), so if you have any outstanding comments, concerns, or criticisms your input there would be most welcome. Best, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 08:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Medicinernes Skiklub Svartor[edit]

Hello. I am contacting you because you are listed as a participant for WikiProject Norway, and the above-mentioned article is sourced by all Norwegian-language references. Moreover, the references do not appear to support notability; they might be mere trivial references to the subject. Since these sources are all offline, and I do not speak or read Norwegian, I'm hoping whether you can assist me in determining whether the article qualifies for speedy deletion. Many thanks! CobaltBlueTony™ talk 13:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Bokei Horde[edit]

Google Books tells us:

So Bukey Horde wins as a common English name with 47:3 score. The article name needs be reverted back. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 13:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

    • Checking for a valid English name is a routine procedure, you see. We need to prevent total renaming of the historical entities according the actual transliteration rules as most common English names are useful in Wiki. We need Bukey Horde as this article name, Bokei Horde (as this trnsliteration is present in English too) as a redirect to the main article. How to do that? May be move the article content to the page with a valid name (Bukey Horde), but redirect code string move from Bukey to Bokei with replacing redirect name in this string content. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
    • Hi there. Bokei Horde in Kazakh is Бөкей Ордасы. It sounds like bouquet (however instead of u sound there is a slightly softer version of o). Personnaly, I think, judging by pronounciation it should be Bokei. Why it bothers me? See my name is Aizhol, but in soviet times they wrote it down to passport as Aizhul (which sounds ugly). Consequently each and every person who saw my passport from the childhood was laughing. So Bukey might be just russian pronounciation. Anyway I admire any transliteration as long as Bokei redirects to Bukey (or whatever it is). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aizhol (talkcontribs) 09:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

ITN for 2010 Kyrgyzstan riots[edit]

Current events globe On 8 April 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2010 Kyrgyzstan riots, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Two articles to keep watch on[edit]

Hey Ma...I mean Otebig, how's it going? Are you enjoying the change in climate? There's a new user starting and editing some pages based on Russian racial theories concerning Central Asian. He/she is being a bit obstinate and continually reverts any edits I make to the page, including routine stuff such as linking and delinking words and fact tags. Anyways, being an admin and all, I was wondering if you keep a watch on a couple of pages: Pamir-Fergana race and Turanid.

My wife and I are heading off to China in July. We'll be there for a year or two. If you and the Mrs. ever stop by Asia, drop us a line. David Straub (talk) 03:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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CEUS at IU[edit]

How are you liking it? I'm idly thinking about going back to school because a JD + bar admission pending just aren't enough letters after my name. Either that or I'm a glutton for punishment. Aelfthrytha (talk) 19:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Integrating Атлас data and maps appropriately into relevant pages[edit]

I tried to implement some data (and a map!) from the Атлас into the Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic page. Could you verify my changes (and fix anything that needs fixing)? I'd like to eventually do this for everything —Firespeaker (talk) 07:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I worry that the map doesn't really show location, so might not be appropriate for the infobox I put up. I also think that the Republic of Karelia infobox should point back to the [[Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic]|Karelian ASSR]] page. —Firespeaker (talk) 07:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

And I guess Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic needs to be fit in there somewhere. We're going to have similar problems (i.e., cleaning up and organising the current Soviet mess on wikipedia, which I guess is a good thing in the end) with a lot of these maps. —Firespeaker (talk) 07:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

And I supposed I used the wrong infobox (there's an Infobox SSR in use on the Karelo-Finnish SSR page I see now). Agh, I need some sleep. —Firespeaker (talk) 07:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm.... Compare the original way I did it to the Infobox SSR version. I think the shortcomings of the latter could be fixed by modifying the Infobox SSR template? —Firespeaker (talk) 22:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Otebig, do yu speek only inglish? Qottune shikerim. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.174.226.86 (talk) 10:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks![edit]

I just want to thank you for taking the time to take and add pictures to the Battle of Langnes article. Petter Bøckman (talk) 07:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

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You[edit]

I'm impressed by your contribution... Хотя чо я парюсь... хотя сленг пожалуй не стит употреблять... я имел ввиду "Что я переживаю" ведь вы понимаете русский. И я восхищен вами не только как писателем Википедии - вы еще и столько языков знаете и я просто шокирован. Fortunately, I'm shocked positively and it happened to be a result of batshit impression. I thought, it was a good thing to share because you might be pleased with this post. So I decided to write you this short letter, as a deserved praising. Though I do not know you personally and I'm not sure that you accept my message without any prejudices. Anyway, I'm impressed, your contribution is awesome and your achievement of personal development is immense...--Deviloper (talk) 03:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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You're invited! Women's History Month Edit-a-Thon at the University of Oregon[edit]

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Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

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