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Ki Hajar Dewantara[edit]

In the article on Ki Hajar Dewantara there are long stretches of text that were clearly written by a non-native speaker of English. Before I realized how much was not in standard English, I tried to put some sections into English but gave up. Is there some kind of tag you could add to the beginning of the article to alert readers to this and urge editors who know the topic to improve the article? Or would it be better to delete the poorly-written sections? – CorinneSD (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, CorinneSD – This sounds like the article may need one of the language maintenance tags at the top of the page or sections. There are two project banners at Talk:Ki Hajar Dewantara, and perhaps the people there can be of help? Let me know how it goes. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 10:58, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: WPR[edit]

Personally, i don't see the point. Nothing wrong with just using the full name, and the abbreviations will just make it more confusing for people in the future. Wizardman 05:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Interesting – then you don't find any good in the use of shortcuts? – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 07:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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It's a pleasure, and thank you! Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 17:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Moving articles around is above my pay grade, and fraught with unintended consequences and difficulty. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 17:22, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

MOS:FOLLOW and WP:MOSFOLLOW nominated for deletion[edit]

This retargetting of obsolete and charged shortcut has caused considerable confusion. The only one using it seems to be Skookum1, who remembers what it used to mean. So I've recommended them for deletion. Dicklyon (talk) 17:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know – I shall abstain from interference with their deletion. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 23:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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... for adding the list of patrons to the Galileo infobox. After doing a bit of research, I see that your list is spot-on.  ~Eric:71.20.250.51 (talk) 22:09, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Pleasure! Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 23:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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Note: The editor who actually made that list was David Wilson! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX!

Thanks for the reminder; I'll also leave a note on his talk page. ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Reverted edit of brown anole[edit]

Where do brown anoles find waxworms and mealworms? Do you have a citation for any of the insect species? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gigemag76 (talkcontribs)

Hi, Gigemag76 – The diets of anoles are pretty well-known and documented. They have no trouble with consumption of such as waxworms and mealworms in captivity, so since both the moth and the beetle range globally, their larvae will also be available in the wild in the brown anole's range. A read of those articles and about the adults and their ranges should hook this up for you. And I'll see if I can find a reliable source if you still need one. Also, remember that the diet section of the article does not make any distinction between wild foods and captivity meals. There really isn't any distinction, because the brown anole will eat just about anything it will get in its mouth. The ones in my own yard will generally not devour ants; however, I have seen one from time to time position themselves next to an ant line and snack on the little gals, one after another. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 15:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

"From a joint biography"[edit]

Hi. If I understand correctly,[2]
Diane Dillon (my work today) and Laurence Canter (your work last month) are those two among 81 redirects to joint biographies that are implemented by template {{Redr|to joint biography}} or {{R to joint biography}} rather than the old {{redirect to joint biography}}. (Yesterday I used the latter about a dozen times; today learned of both the shorter name and {{Redr}}.)

The R to joint biographies message displayed at Dillon and Canter is incorrect. Should be "To a joint biography", I suppose, rather than "From". Perhaps you know where to fix that.

P.S. Why do you judge Laurence Canter "unprintworthy"? I wonder whether you mean "without possibilities".

--P64 (talk) 22:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I did find that and fixed the name parameter value, among other hopeful improvements. --P64 (talk) 22:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, P64 – Excellent improvements! I just tweaked that rcat a little more and created and expanded the documentation page. Since the name "Laurence Canter" is also included in the target article's name, I saw no need to make the redirect appear in a printed version of Wikipedia. If in the future Canter's notability increases, then the unprintworthy rcat can be removed and {{R with possibilities}} can be included, which also sorts to Category:Printworthy redirects by default. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 04:20, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
How do you know the latter? Is it implied by appearance of the template {R with possibilities} in the templates category Templates for printworthy redirects, or as a main page in the redirects category Printworthy redirects?
R from person is with-possibilities by default in that Redirects from individual people is a subcategory of Redirects with possibilities, but that does not hold for the latter and Printworthy redirects.
Anyway I wonder whether your default pertains only to redirects that are explicitly with-possibilities? I have supposed, but now doubt, that all R from person and children such as R from spouse are printworthy by default, so I have not put any R from person in the with-possibilities or the printworthy category explicitly.
Perhaps Laurence Canter is not printworthy and Martha Siegel is pw so long as "he" sorts with the joint biography under Canter and "she" sorts to Siegel--perhaps until the article is moved to Martha Siegel and Laurence Canter. Not all joint biographies are now alphabetically named, eg Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa. --P64 (talk) 16:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi again, P64 – I've been struggling with this for several days and still don't have an answer that might be satifying to you or even to me. Strictly speaking, printworthiness is not necessarily a function of the level of notability of the redirect title itself. Whenever I've tagged such redirects, the question I ask myself is, "Do I think this redirect title is suitable for a printed version of Wikipedia?" That question isn't always easy to answer, and there is really no guideline or policy that details how to answer it. So we answer it the best way we know how based on experience. And I've never been avid about defending such a decision if other editors disagree with it avidly. For example, suppose there is a mega-talented actor whose surname redirects to the article with his common name – PacinoAl Pacino – how would you have categorized that Pacino redirect? I struggled a bit with it before coming to the conclusion that it would not be helpful in a printed version of Wikipedia. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 17:40, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. FYI i haven't actively tagged any redirects as (un)printworthy or with(out) possibilities. Thus I leave it to the defaults, as {R from person} are printworthy and with possibilities by default. I have maintained the {R to joint biography} subcategory completely and I know it contains only genuine R from person, not from variants of their names.
That is also true of Redirects from writers, a hard category that I recently moved under individual people, whereas the two other small subcats of individual people contain one anomaly each --I have maintained them incompletely, so to speak.
The anomalies are that {{R from spouse}} covers "Anusha bhagat" as well as "Anusha Bhagat"; {{R from relative}} covers "Trigger Tha Gambler" as well as "Trigger tha Gambler". I didn't move either of those into one of the variant name categories --using template {{R from other capitalisation}} in these instances-- because those now display messages with commitments about their targets; that the target page name is the appropriate variant name. Instead I raised the matter at Wikipedia talk:Categorizing redirects#R from other capitalisation.
--P64 (talk) 18:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

R from misspelling : Just for articles?[edit]

I see you recently updated Template:R from misspelling. FYI, I am starting to see them turn up as errors, e.g., see Talk:Subrosa, and even Talk:MacOS—one that you just tagged a week ago. I was about to {{trout}} you for that. Just want to make sure you really want to restrict this template to mainspace, because I'm sure that more of these will be turning up. Wbm1058 (talk) 23:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Just today I removed the {{Main other}} template from the printworthiness section of that rcat, and that is what is causing the problem. I'm not sure why, yet, but I'll revert my edit and then figure it out. Thank you for the heads up! Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 23:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, Wbm1058, it's fixed – it might take a while for CAT:WRONG to clear out. I cleared a few with null edits, and the rest should clear within a few hours/days. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 02:17, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Latest set of changes to Template:R from alternative language[edit]

Valid lang tags without an ISO 639 name page and invalid lang tags get the red tpl link treatment. See here. A workaround would be to use ifexist. Cheers — lfdder 15:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Working on it. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 16:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Fixed – Thank you very much, lfdder, for a good catch! Should be fixed now. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 18:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Nationality[edit]

Hello. I would like to give you a heads up, and would like to invite your comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography#Nationality of people from disputed territory/country/colony/region as I am contemplating un'redirect'ing Wikipedia:Nationality (which you edited) and replacing the page with a description of "what nationality could mean for the purpose of editing Wikipedia biography articles and categorizing people." which I briefly outlined in the discussion. Yiba (talk | contribs) 06:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, thank you very much, Yiba, for this notice and for your feelings that I might add something to that discussion. Truth is, after reading from top to bottom, my feeling is that many of the responders seem to feel that this is all unnecessary overcomplication. I wish I could say that I am wise enough to know what is correct, but the only thought that comes to mind is a quip from Albert Einstein, something to the effect that we should "keep things simple, but not too simple". With more and more people in our world, and with the ever-changing political boundaries, there may very well be a growing need for more precise coverage of nationality in biographical articles, especially when BLP is a concern.
Also, I note at the failed proposal you found at WP:Citizenship and nationality that it was first formed in 2007 and has been added to and subtracted from many times even up to the present. This tells me that it is still a concern, so my suggestion would be to draft a Wikipedia project page that will eventually become "Wikipedia:Nationality" and when it is finished to your satisfaction, create it from that redirect. And while I've never created a guideline nor policy, I'm sure there is a page, WP:GUIDELINE(?), for how to do this. The need appears to be a guideline to shed more detailed light on nationality in all its facets. I would draw heavily on NPOV policy and improve on the effort that began in 2007. I wish you the best of good fortune in this matter and in all matters. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 17:46, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Pack of Wolves Award[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thought it was about time you received recognition for you hard work in categorizing redirects and editing disambiguation pages! Cheers! Steel1943 (talk) 23:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Good to cya, Steel man! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 00:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Glad to be back! smile Steel1943 (talk) 00:02, 24 April 2014 (UTC)