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Breathe deeply...

New Article?[edit]

Isn't there a cottage in the background.

Surprise of the Day: Is That Tree Smiling At Me? Probably a new article, I am affraid. Hafspajen (talk) 18:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC) 1500 in Scotland is a bit short too Warning . Hafspajen (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I wonder how I knew that was all going to get a tad naughty... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Are Irish somewhat unpopular among the UK's inhabitants? This I ask totally seriously, because this is nothing I understand, beeing Swedish, can't pick up on those cues. Or it is just some personal idiosyncrasy of GGJ? Or? Tell me. Hafspajen (talk) 21:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC).
Generally speaking, Irish people are not unpopular with UK inhabitants, and UK inhabitants are not unpopular with the Irish. As usual with geopolitical issues, a few extremists try to drag everyone else down to their level. However if you're ever in Irish or UK company, to be on the safe side I'd advise against making any kind of references to do with Northern Ireland or Ulster, particularly regarding which country it should belong to... (Gareth, I'll leave you to comment on your own "idiosyncracies" haha...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Ha, ha! It is that type of Irish "music" — not at all musical to my sensitive ears. — Gareth Griffith-Jones  — 22:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
However, I did enjoy the Edward Sharpe and The Magnetic Zeros - Home - Official Video. — Gareth Griffith-Jones  — 22:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh, I am Aware ot The Ulster Problem. I just wondered if there is som kind of general antipathy going on. Hafspajen (talk) 22:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh Hpj, I like to keep my talk page a conflict-free zone, and now out of the blue you've raised the Irish question! Oh sorrow! oh woe!.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Violations will be prosecuted - plant your trees somewhere else! Hafspajen (talk) 13:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Is this dragon propaganda? "Dragons plant no trees. Remember that." Yes, well, the fire-breathing probably doesn't assist... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC) It might work with some Water dragons around!

(edit conflict)::* Oojvoj Oh sorrow! oh woe!... Let's drop it immediately!! Hafspajen (talk) 22:53, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Might be a good idea to delete this thread. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:51, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I generally prefer not to delete things, so instead let's round this off by stating clearly that, apart from my comment that people generally prefer to get along, no-one here has made any proclamations about anything other than musical preferences. Settled? Now, back to anthropomorphised trees! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I sign my name under that. And I was saying all the time that I just love Irish music and riverdance, that it is merry and fun (edit summary) Hafspajen (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Asking why are they uneven and in what way? Hafspajen (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
.. Hpj - all you need to know about real Irish music. It's just divine!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
The last thing to do, before leaving Europe. Hafspajen (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Quirky!! Hafspajen (talk) 23:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@Hpj: I see three images on one line, then one underneath.
@anyone: My favourite kind of Irish music is not quite merry and fun (haha!)
I adore sad Celtic voices... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
.. you got 'em, Paley!! Good ol' Dave, eh? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • No not that merry and fun, what do you see now? Still one under? Hafspajen (talk) 23:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
"One can have a jolly good chat with a smiling tree, I always find." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Goddammit... I've be trying to phone The People's Friendship University of Russia all day, but I just can't seem to get through!! ... "sob" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Why? Hafspajen (talk) 21:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
just the usual adventurous larks Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Martin's really just been trying to verify the information he'd been given earlier by his reliable British source... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


Look at the time, is this plant Blooming in December?

Hafspajen (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

No, probably not. But there is a tree that is blooming while it is relatively wintry, Prunus mume I think is called.Hafspajen (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

There are some shrubs which bloom in winter - Chimonanthus, Hamamelis, Sarcococca, Daphne, Edgeworthia, Garrya, Lonicera fragrantissima, some Viburnum etc. Quite a few actually, and many of them highly fragrant... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 17:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Chimonanthus, Hamamelis,Viburnum yes. Sarcococca,Garrya,Edgeworthia, - no. I live in the south of Sweden, so we have the zone like Scottland? I only have Hardiness zone maps for Sweden here. Is there any map that shows the whole world? Hafspajen (talk) 17:46, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

That map you linked to doesn't give any indication of temperatures. You're likely to be colder than Scotland, as you're more continental and benefit less from the North Atlantic Drift. How low do temperatures drop where you are? Could you grow Garrya and Sarcococca in sheltered sites, such as against walls? They should be hardy to about -15°C (except S. orientalis - only -10°C). I've also remembered Mahonia and Jasminum nudiflorum. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • In Lund temperatures very occasionally can go as low as -20 C for a week or two. But this happens once or twice in ten years or so. Hafspajen (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Climate data for Lund (and rest of southern Sweden)
Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Average high °C (°F) 3
Average low °C (°F) −1
Precipitation mm (inches) 54
Source: World Weather Information Service
"Dear Pale Clouded Cauliflower. Please could the panel suggest some treatment for very vigorous swede. They are "running amok" in my little patch and are threatening to disrupt my very delicate spring blooms. Thank you so much." "Eric the Veg", Deepest Dorsetshire, (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
What have I done now? Hafspajen (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Like this, perhaps? — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 20:07, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
No, I loved that chair and I was hoping to see Hpj sat in it! Don't worry, Sloppypie, your "No Parking" signs at my page are more than welcome!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Bears are fine. I like that bear, both of them, actually. I need to consider this Hafspajen (talk) 20:54, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll go and enrole as a hermit. Hafspajen (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I virtually live like a hermit already! (Just me and my plants...). I'm sure Hpj hasn't intended to cause upset to anyone by posting pics of signs. Hpj likes pictures, and also likes to share them, isn't that so, Hpj? (PS Uneven gallery alert! heh heh!) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Now, now, Paley, no need to get all crabby. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
"I'm not even part of this contretemps - I don't know why it's come to my talk page. I'm just going to sit here and look the other way until it's resolved." "Crabby Bear"
I'm just going to sit here and look the other way until it's resolved, too.Hafspajen (talk) 22:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Still I think that our climate is too cold. For example certain roses don't manage, like Rosa banksiae not even in thee south of Sweden, and Austin roses are not recomended in the North. Hafspajen (talk) 21:16, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Haahah, GGJ, that WAS funny! Hafspajen (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I must stop being a grumpy old man
A grizzly in Denali National Park
A Welsh Buzzard pretending to be a grizzly bear

— | Gareth Griffith-Jones
|The WelshBuzzard| —
22:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, let's just be all friends!! Hafspajen (talk) 22:50, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
We have never stopped — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Good then. Face-smile.svgHafspajen (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for yesterday[edit]

Laurel & Hardy dancing.gif The Teddy Bear award
Yes, I just want to say that I appreciate what you all of you did yesterday. Hafspajen (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Hpj. I've been chuckling to myself today, remembering all the bears that came to grace my talk page. I'm glad you appreciated it all. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Missed that plane to Denmark... with about 100 years. The American actor Fozzie Bear as Hamlet, ca. 1870
Two minutes of silent film? Why do we have this kind of articles? See, funny title ------->Terrible Teddy, the Grizzly KingHafspajen (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Not even 2 minutes - just 61 seconds. But it's the first of its kind, so notable (I guess). Do you know, I think my teddy might be Norwegian, as it also used to fly through the air quite regularly (mostly when I was throwing it into trees to see if it would stick in the branches...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, at least you didn't spend your time shooting cats! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
William McKinley? Spot the difference... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:03, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Hahaha!! I had never noticed that before. How amazingly funny. But.. ahem, I think you'll find that Sam was not so decisive in his international policy. I mean, where would the The Philippines be without good old Uncle Will? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Green wind[edit]

Green wind. Green branches.
The ship out on the sea
and the horse on the mountain.
With the shadow at the waist
she dreams on her balcony,
green flesh, green hair,
with eyes of cold silver.

"Garcia Lorca" ("Ballad of the Sleepwalker)"

Hafspajen (talk)! !!!22:26, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

"the horse on the mountain" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
"The ship out on the sea" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:05, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
'Love it!! Where do you find these gorgeous pics?Hafspajen (talk) 23:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
"the horse in the dessert "
It's a big dessert. Can't work out what it is - some kind of shortbready, custardy concoction? Cheesecake perhaps? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Most probably the Karakum Desert, in Turkmenistan, The Akhal-Teke lives there. Hafspajen (talk) 18:17, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Can you tell me, you and Gareth if any of those things selected on the Humor talk page are funny?Hafspajen (talk) 02:11, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

For you ... all my own work[edit]

And a nice little blue whatnot to go with it Hafspajen (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Ginkaku-Ji Temple sand garden (7005735166).jpg PaleCloudedWhite is a fearsome landscape architect

— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou, Gareth, that's very kind. Is that mound really made of loose sand, I wonder? If so, how do they stop it slumping in the rain? (The designer in me is thinking of practicalities...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:06, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

  • You should ask the Ginkaku-Ji Temple sand garden monks. Maybe they use glue? Hafspajen (talk) 20:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I think they make the naughty monks continually repair it, grain by individual grain. Using tweezers. And no lunch until they've finished. No slacking! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 05:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Cerne Abbas Giant[edit]

I don't know how I missed that it was a quote -- embarrassing error, so thanks for prompt correction Enginear (talk) 23:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and don't worry about it - everyone makes mistakes. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


Isn't this just wonderfull?
You like structure, don't you Hpj? PCW

And the irony is I was looking for a picture of Molière, in a red gown or robe. Le potager du manoir de Sautet, Molières, Dordogne, France.Hafspajen (talk) 01:03, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

"Please help me doctor, I just feel all empty inside!"
Is this you? It's in Devon Bothanical garden.No that's not me - that garden's in Canada. Also I don't think I'd ever be comfortable wielding weapons (though I do enjoy swinging an axe...) PCW

Like this, but but not thisHafspajen (talk) 16:57, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Hope you had your bacon and eggs for breakfast, and tea or whatever you eat for breakfast. Hope you do not fall into the big mistake of consuming cereals and orange juice, no way a suitable breakfast for a gardener. No, acctually I don't like structure. I just like it like it here. Most vegetable gardens use to be so structureless. It makes them good with a little structure. I will explain later. Hafspajen (talk) 13:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

What I am trying to say that there is always a structure in the garden, sometimes loose sometimes not. In a good garden there is always a dynamic between a structure and a soft, wild, lose quality. Hafspajen (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I actually like structure in gardens, but only if it's done a certain way. I don't like it when it's very formal or neat or excludes anything with wildness. I like the Powis Castle topiary that I posted higher up the page, and I rather like this garden - it's modern without being austere (and the hedges are groovy!) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Ah, you like hedges? Nice wavy hegde. A perfect example for what we just discussed. Hafspajen (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
.Difficult to tell why, , but I don't like this.Hafspajen (talk) 21:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Haha, I see what you mean - the house all looks a bit faux, as if someone's stuck roll-on 'texture effects' onto the walls and windowframes, and the rooflines are somehow overly harsh - no snug "cottage effect" here! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
It's not playing on my pc, Hpj. Though that's not unusual. I need to buy a new one. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
  • oooOOOhhhh... you're AWful. But I like you. <SMACK>  ;-)   Don't you mean that. Sigh. <-BUT this worked...Hafspajen (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Friendly (talk page stalker) No sound, Hpj, remember? — Buzzard — 17:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Not much use with no sound...Hafspajen (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see you've watched the young Miss Mandy 'at work', Hpj. Still makes me laugh and I can't hear it. But what I meant regarding 'Footloose' was: it wouldn't play at all. So no vision either. One day I'll enter the 21st century and get a brand new all-singing-all-dancing pc.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
..Can you se the Van Damme over at MartinEvans123? Hafspajen (talk) 19:16, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
I can't believe that was real, even if it was "carried out by professionals in a closed-off area". Maybe they actually drove really slow (1 km/hr) and speeded it up for the TV? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:39, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Some say, it was .. talking about ropes ans stuff... and yes probaly driving slow. But you saw that the epigons had some problems with it. I guess that horse carriage, they could't even start it, because the horses would probably were pulling unevenly. (so you saw that...???) :)Hafspajen (talk) 20:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I saw that no probs (well, the first one; I haven't looked at the others, as I'm a bit immersed in trying to do a year's worth of accounts at the moment—reams and reams of paper and figures and calculations etc.—which is all very tedious and it has rained all day here in London...).Face-smile.svg I've just tried the Footloose link again, but still no success - I just get the 'loading' symbol going round and round and round.... I think my pc's a bit fussy... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I HATE that. Hate papers, hate taxes, hate those calculations, bbbbrgggrgr. You probably just need to update your Adobe Acrobat player, nothing else.Hafspajen (talk) 22:22, 29 January 2014 Hafspajen (talk) 02:12, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I hate it too—especially as the amount of money I have to pay at the end is always more than I'm expecting. And sitting on my bum all day is extremely frustrating. It's not good for the blood pressure. I'd rather be pruning trees, digging borders and generally moving around. I wish I lived near the sea—a good walk along the clifftops would be marvellous therapy. Or 18 miles of shingle in a howling gale, with the wind and the waves threatening to lift me off my feet and carry me away. Fantastic! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:32, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
London's very large - it'd take an hour (or more) of travelling through built-up areas to reach either of those places. Also I'd want somewhere wilder and more remote, to get away from the restraints of modern life. (I'm concerned that people are becoming increasingly disconnected from the elements which give them life; recently one of my business customers in central London seriously suggested—in an effort to reduce maintenance costs—that we replace some of their outdoor container plantings with artificial plants. They wrote to me and said "I know this is an anathema to a gardener, but...", so I wrote back and said "Yes it is an anathema to me...". Artificial plants - outdoors! What's the point? May as well have artifical food and artifical sex.) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
.You speak from my hart. This is why I moved from Stockholm... (I am done with my taxes) Hafspajen (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Why did the elephant paint its fingernails red?
  • So it could hide in the strawberry patch. Hafspajen (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Did it blow raspberries through its trunk? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Trunk used for many purposes... Hafspajen (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Remember this trunk call? Or are you too young to remember? — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 00:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Ralph Wightman[edit]

I have just begun this page. Moonraker (talk) 18:27, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

So I see! My watchlist has just exploded! I had intended to start his article myself at some point—as you have seen, I have a copy of his book Portrait of Dorset—though I didn't know where to access sources about him. I'll see if I can find anything out. Thanks for starting the article - it's nice to see his name as a blue link! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:13, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


Schnauzer mini (2).jpg

Tree shaping? Hafspajen (talk) 09:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't that sound like a nice, quiet, uncontroversial article topic for gardeners and the generally green-fingered to edit? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

One of my customers has a Schnauzer. It's very old, partially blind and deaf, and follows people around everywhere - bit of a trip hazard actually, cos it stands behind people but can't hear or properly see if they move, so accidents happen... It's rather sweet though - very good-natured. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Watch you steps!!!Hafspajen (talk) 23:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Gladys as a Valentine.jpg Happy Valentine's Day
............................................................................................................................................................................ Hafspajen (talk) 04:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou, Hpj - that's the first time for 30 years that I've received something on Valentine's Day. (Not that I'm complaining at my romantic desert, seeing as I myself never send anything haha...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Cissie, I'm a bit upset I never got a Valentine greeting from you. Love Ada (otherwise David). David J Johnson (talk) 22:55, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
There you go, start with David..! Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 23:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I do apologise Ada, but I've been that busy sidestepping the Reverend's ungodly advances—you know what he's like, always trying to get his delicate digits on my fondant fancies—that I never even got time to lick the back of the envelope... Apologies and love, your dear friend, Cissie
  • Won't give the vicar my iced buns. Like this picture. Can you propose any article for a place for it? PS,
    Are these iced buns? If yes they should be added to the article iced bun. 0 picture in it. Hafspajen (talk) 18:00, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Bronze sculpture would seem an obvious candidate, although it's already well supplied with images. If somebody were to translate this article into English, it could go there. As for the iced buns file, they look quite upmarket (continental?), but the fact that they're wrapped and have been cooked to a particular shape, it's difficult to see if they're dough-based, which is what I would say constitutes a bun (as opposed to a cake). These are (mostly) pics of dough-based baked goods (i.e. buns). We Brits have contributed so much to world cuisine... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:23, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Iron rabbit park
Ahem, do you think you would go for a new Cottage-round? Remember that I like you wery much. Hafspajen (talk) 02:53, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Thankyou Hpj, you're very kind. I'm rather fond of you too. At the moment I'm busying myself with articles on little villages in Dorset, which keeps me out of drama and trauma, though I may involve myself a little in the Cottage discussions—as long as I'm not viewed as any kind of "expert". I do have an interest in rural society and history, but—being a geographer—my interest tends to be tied to particular locations. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
'Well. After some consideration, I guess my ideas of the romantic cottage probably came from Beverley Nichols, Down the garden path, which was my favourite book when I was young. Chosing to be a lanscape architect is probably his fault.
I've got no-one to blame but myself for choosing to be a gardener. I just like gardening. Do you design large-scale projects? I read on your talk page a while back that you're developing an orangery at the moment - is that still the case? Sounds rather grand. I don't often do pure design work. I did completely redesign the planting of a fairly large London garden recently, though the customer disputed the bill and it ended up with letters from solicitors etc, which wasn't pleasant. Better just to dig, weed and prune, and live a simpler life... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:29, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
am I? Where did you read that ?Hafspajen (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
On your talk page, I think (?). Didn't Drmies send you a 'Christmas good wishes' message with words about your orangery? Or was that a private joke? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, it was. a joke. The only thing he knows about landscaping is Wersailles. Face-smile.svg is there some project keeping you awake?Hafspajen (talk) 01:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
No project, no. I just haven't felt sleepy. I'm a victim of my body's strange rhythms. Sometimes I go to bed at 3am, sometimes I go at 8pm. Sometimes I get up at 3am. What about you? You often seem not to sleep at all...? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 02:07, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I do much the same as you. But now it is a project. And I am doing a work for the university at the same time. But this can't go on for a too long. Hafspajen (talk) 07:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Surrey Recentism[edit]

I agree with your removal up to a point regarding flood disaster. Any disagreement over whether to remove an article/text might also be related to Wikipedia's ongoing inclusionism-versus-deletionism debate. However, what is your thought on creating a page 'surrey floods' or even 'England floods etc's to address the recentism issue for this? Stufroguk (talk) 09:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

A page of its own—covering the floods countrywide, rather than just Surrey—would be my choice, in fact I'm surprised there doesn't appear to be one already. The human history of Surrey stretches back at least 2,000 years, so any events included in the article should be of significance when compared to other events which have occurred during that whole period. I don't think some flooding for a few days or even weeks is sufficiently significant—the area concerned is a flood plain, and should be expected to flood. Even if the flooding were significant enough to be included in the article (and I'm not saying it is), it shouldn't be placed in the lead section and it shouldn't pick out stories of particular individuals. I'd also recommend not using the Daily Mail as a source - it can't be said to be the most reliable publication. Finally, if you're not already aware, please read WP:BRD. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


Hello Cissie, Just thought I'd let you know the Poundbury window vandal is back - yet again. Time to brick-up their windows?? Love, Ada, David J Johnson (talk) 13:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Or we could revive and adapt an old Derbyshire variant of Plough Monday festivities, in which we take a plough—nicely decorated, of course—to the address of the said offender, and, if they don't promise to stop being naughty, we plough up their front path... Yours in gentleness, Cissie
Yes, good idea - we'll have to plough-on! Love, Ada, David J Johnson (talk) 23:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

WikiDefender Barnstar Hires.png The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thanks, here you go, a REAL LOVE star..........................................................................................................................for your good sense and talent and diplomacy. Hafspajen (talk) 09:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou Hpj, you're very kind. Glad to help out. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

This is a cottage? I give up.
This is lawnmower race
might work better on water
What is that machine, (bottom-left) a mower? — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 15:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Think so. Hafspajen (talk) 15:21, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I think it's one of those disability mobility vehicles, not a mower. Whiteley Village is a rather upmarket retirement 'estate' and I imagine these 'cottages' might be owned by people who are getting near the end of their golf-playing days... Actually I think the file must be dated incorrectly, as there's definitely a frost on the lawn and roofs, which isn't possible at midday in August in Surrey...PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 17:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
How thrilling to have a whole village named after you... senior golf can be very exciting, you know!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC) [3]
A whole village, yes, - a rather better achievement than that of another resident of the TV Retirement Studio in the Sky, who could only manage a hamlet... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
... did someone mention Gregor Fisher in a photobooth? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC) [4]

It's a little known fact that one of Mr Fisher's children was named after one of my part-time alter egos... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Titter ye not, missus, ooh errr. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
We don't want a Naked Lawn-mower rider, do we? — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 21:37, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
That always depends on who it is who's naked... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
... an excellent example of thinking outside the (lawnmower) box. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 21:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm sure you could manage a comb over, PCW? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Ooh, Obi-wan, I've never seen a light sabre come out that way before... Princess Leia



Original - Wonderful photo of something few people will ever see, inside of the inner grounds of Edo Castle.
Some 'budding' music industry gophers celebrating after sending off their new single to Radio 2's playlist...

Regards From Tightcurly Talibanana (talk) 09:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC) Thights? Thunder Thighs?

I believe a leaf of grass is no less than the journey work of the stars,

And the pismire is equally perfect, and a grain of sand, and the egg of the wren,

And the tree-toad is a chef-d'oeuvre for the highest,

And the running blackberry would adorn the parlors of heaven,

And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,

And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,

And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels. (31)

I like the stone hill which that building is based on - I prefer it to the building. But then I like things that are elemental. Pismire is new to me; "an archaic or dialect word for an ant. [C14 (literally: urinating ant, from the odour of formic acid characteristic of an anthill): from PISS + obsolete mire ant, of Scandinavian origin.]" Though it sounds like something out of The Hound of the Baskervilles... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:24, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

"Why, look you, I am whipp'd and scourged with rods,
Nettled and stung with pismires, when I hear
Of this vile politician, Bolingbroke." - King Henry IV, part I: I, iii.
- Bolly of Henrybroke (talk) 20:46, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
... myror på huvudet User:Martinevans123. Tightcurly Talibana (talk) 20:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
.. as if anyone would be silly enough to post that youtube video at the encyclopedic wikipedia! chortle, chortle...

"Holy Beaver Island archipelago, Batman!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Farewell, kinsman. I’ll talk to you

When you are better tempered to attend.

WORCESTER Goodbye, nephew. I’ll talk to you when you’re in a better mood to listen.

NORTHUMBERLAND (to HOTSPUR) Why, what a wasp-stung and impatient fool

Art thou to break into this lovely , - woman’s mood,

Tying thine ear to no tongue but thine own! Hafspajen (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Of course, there are some vile politicians today who probably should be "nettled and stung with pismires"... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:05, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
"I'm not sure if getting Violetta Villas to design the new national livery was one of your better ideas, Mr Wałęsa..."
Une pappa Papa Meilland. A classic! Great colour and scent, but a bit prone to disease
'Rhapsody in Blue'. Probably the most 'violetta' rose available...
  • Oh, don't let yourself editconflicted down, rodeo, video audio radio... Tightcurly Taliban (talk) 21:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
£1,645 for a floating duck island ... remember?
How could anyone forget...? PaleClouded "It just does me nicely" White
"Much thicker rubber than the Hunter Original - so it will take a lot more abuse... oooh, errr. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
We in the UK are all intensely relaxed about the net impact of migrants. Vince "Power" Cable (Lib Dem Land) 19:53, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Traditional English dress (only at weekends and on the Queen's birthday) SailCloudHighWhite (talk)
@Hpj. I notice your username in this thread seems to have acquired a particular flavour; do you have a problem which you wish to tell me about? I must say that the solution ("you can finger detangle") sounds rather saucy, if not a tiny bit fruity.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:06, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Uh, I mostly got meringue in my hair lately ... Hafspajen (talk) 20:29, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Just like at Wiki: "Beware of those who react with anger or indignation." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Are you brooding about colours violets and bluetta and greenetta and yellowettanuances,
Wikimedia Commons has media related to Category:Shades of violet.

No, it has not, it's here. Shades of violets ? No, it is not , it's here. Violet (color) Hafspajen (talk) 22:46, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

ere mate. U alrite, me ol' china?? U'll neva guess.... I 'ad an 'ole load of very important music X-ecs, in the back of me tear-away, pop-pickin', chart-toppin' cab, earlier on this evenin'. All of their pockets a-bulgin' with very important telephone numbers for highly important music industry contacts, an' all. Blimey, guv'nor!! What a party we 'ad. Smashie123, c/o BPI (22:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Gosh Smashie123, you live such an exciting life, full of glamour and the heady aroma of celebrity - I can't keep up with your pace! I'm only a poor unknown with no friends or contacts - the only thing I'm good at is editing Wikipedia, so perhaps I should just stick to that? Quite Nicie
Nah, mate - ur also a wiz when it comes to cab cleanin'. Ta!
I know, but it some places it will grow nicely, Papa M. ... weird. But I used the 'Rhapsody in Blue', and it wasn't wery blue, but light lilac-redish. Hafspajen (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Ahem... [5] Trees of Mystery. Hafspajen (talk) 12:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

  • 'Is it far?'
  • 'I do not know. You might call it far, perhaps. But what does that matter?' Hafspajen (talk) 09:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Brilliant Idea Barnstar Hires.png The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
Make my freedom of giving Wikilove unpunished asserted........................................... Hafspajen (talk) 12:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

A brownie for you![edit]

Closeup of Welsh cakes, February 2009.jpg To aid your recovery after having travelled so far......and met the bad guys.............................................. Hafspajen (talk) 12:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Kindness Barnstar Hires.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Make my freedom asserted...................................................................................................... Hafspajen (talk) 12:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou Hpj, you're very welcome. It's been quite a day! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Phewwuh uh Hafspajen (talk) 22:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I've read most of the Swedish ANI thread - I get the feeling some users there may be feeling a bit sheepish at the moment. Well hopefully they are, anyway! Perhaps they won't be so trigger-happy in the future..? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

New message from Gareth Griffith-Jones[edit]

Dried teasel flower head, used to raise the nap on cloth

— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Mr Teazle-Weazle?[edit]

Ooh, you big teazer., you! Am now positively bristling with indignation. "Too many voices"!!! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

.A British hairdresser?Hafspajen (talk) 10:03, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
If you live in Chard long enuf, you'll be speakin' Krek Bristle too, my lover .....
There's something about the word teazel which tempted me to go all Edward Lear with that section, but I restrained myself (damn!). A British hairdresser on fire? ("can you squeeze me?") PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:18, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
well, Babylon's Burning and so are my ears, you great booby ... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:25, 13 March 2014 (UTC) ... I fear "sparks may fly"
You've lost me, Martin. Have I said something that's offended someone? Have I offended you? There've been no hidden meanings in anything I've written. I just find the word teazel invites word-play. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Don't bother asking me, lol. "word-play", my 'arris. But don't worry, Paley - I'd treat any insult from you as a compliment. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. if you do come across any hidden meanings, I wonder could you pass them on? as I'm running a bit short.
Well if I haven't upset you then that's OK then. I was getting anxious that I'd inadvertently set Wikipedia's salons "ablaze" with my utterances... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:58, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Salons?! surely you mean saloons?? yours, W. H. Davies123 (The Doss House) 12:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
.. oi! Buzzard-features - keep it down with the dried flowers, will ya mate? some of us are trying to get a nap!!
Not safe to do any napping here ... swoop as in this — Buzzard — 13:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Mmmm, tasty. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

A happy day for a gardener, all green[edit]

Spring has sprung[edit]

Krokusse violett.jpg Happy Vernal Equinox Day !!
Hope you get a lovely ray of spring sunshine (or else an ape in a Hasfpagen fishing net) in your litle corner of Dorset!!

AAaarr, I 'm no hey there animal. I am in the worst case a Tibetan or Welsh pet. Hafspajen (talk) 12:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Why thankyou, I did catch a few rays today. Talking of foreign cats and fishing, I read that some ne'er-do-wells "invent fishing games in the toilet". Working for Mattel's R + D department, obviously.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:10, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


Saint Fiachra's Garden, the gardener's Saint
Rosenstrauch.jpg The 1000 year old Rose
What a rose...............................................spring greetings! Hafspajen (talk) 13:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Saint Fiachra seems a bit of an odd saint - he "was known for healing hemorrhoids", "barred women, on pain of severe bodily infirmity, from the precincts of his monastery" and is also the patron saint of "ploughboys" (allegedly). Then again, must seem a perfect choice for the Vatican... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The patron saint of "ploughboys" ? Oh, I don't think that at his time the churches were separated yet. I was just one. Hafspajen (talk) 00:15, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Just one what? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:34, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
  • One church. When Saint Fiachra lived, he couldn't care less for the Vatican. The churches were not separated yet, well, in a way, yes, the Eastern and the Western. The Byzantine Papacy was a period of Byzantine domination of the papacy from 537 to 752. No Vatican either. Hafspajen (talk) 01:07, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Slippery slope?[edit]

Just in case it slipped your attention...."No, no, no, Wikipedia is not a newspaper, stop using "reported" and simalar WP:WEASEL words .. you guys need to learn to edit... You are not a reporter covering your ass in case there is some sort of error!" The boss (talk) 14:20, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Ha ha, no it hadn't escaped my notice, and I had to restrain myself from posting something on their talkpage. In fact, their friendly, supportive, utterly fraternal tone and demeanor resulted in my logging out with immediate effect, no doubt to the great benefit of all bare-ass lovers who dwell here. I suggest the WP:RETENTION team have a new potential member... "the rookie"
Just a quick word to request that the temptation to add illustrations here be resisted as far as possible by the usual participants … some of us shy persons are watching, and the sight of bears or asses or combinations thereof could be a bit overwhelming. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
P.S.: The bears were cute, though. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
... the kind of BEARS we all need now and then... especially in those catastrophic mud slides (in the woods)... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


The Salutation, house and gardens

Percy Bysshe Shelley

The window in the Head Gardener's Office
To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite;
To forgive wrongs darker than death or night;
To defy Power, which seems omnipotent;
To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates
From its own wreck the thing it contemplates;
Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent;
This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be
Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free;
This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory.

(excerpt of Prometheus Unbound by Percy Bysshe Shelley) Hafspajen (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Don't get too comfy now or I will have to block you. Business only on these talk pages, gentlemen! Drmies (talk) 01:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Too many pictures? Poems? Hafspajen (talk) 01:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Aren't you doing business then, Hafs? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Not to be confused with Compassion. Hafspajen (talk) 10:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Careful Paley. DoktorMice is right - this is not some kind of low grade meat market, you know. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Oh I don't know - I think a few choice offcuts can be quite educational... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:59, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm really not sure... the way this page is going.... first it's Frank the Camp, then it's Frank the Ripper, whatever next, one wonders!! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
'Ere Paley, me ol' china... I 'ad a couple of them blinkin' "shirt lifters" in the back of me wedding-cab, just after midnight the uvva nite. Blimey! they'll be wantin' the vote next!! yours as ever, Alf Scruggs, c/o D.yke and Pansy Wedding Limos Ltd., Roughley Trading Estate, Balham. p.s. "Happy Mutha's Day"

send quikly bank detail number, kindly, Sir[edit]

Smilie 2.JPG Happy April Fool's Day

Dear Mister Paley Whitey-Clod. Congratulation!!!! It lucky day for you and all family. Distant uncle have died and left you $137,000 in BIG will. Please email NOW!!!!!! to collected, to us here direct, here in person, in Kwongo Kwongo Bank Ltd. Central African Republic of WongaLonga. Do straight way!! and we sending you FREE BOOMERANG (as seen on big hit Australian tellyshow Skippy the Bush Kangaroo). Have luck, brother. Many kindnesses, Joseph Diezani Madueke, (no relation) your bank man (send bank number, thank you Sir)

tree new style
Sir, I have lost my soap: Send me soap. Where is the soap, brother? ( Var är tvålen broder? ) [6]. Joseph Diezani Madueke (talk) 21:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


ah yes... Der Untergang.... but surely deserving of it's own article by now? yours, Heimrich Bimmler [9] " want the Ilfracombe and Barnstaple section!!"

I don't have any soap to spare, I'm afraid, as I've used it all up keeping my talkpage clean, as you can see. However, I do have a nice bit of flannel, which a kind Mr Madueke has sent me, if that's any benefit? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:49, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
omg!! You wouldn't get a tan like that in the Real Deal!! Mr Madueke sent me this (via someone called Mister H.F. Spaengeen, apparently...) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Sir, I am in big need of soap, Sir... don't forget to send email NOW!!!!!! to collected, your much MONEY to us here direct, and many soap. Many kindnesses Joseph Diezani Madueke (talk) 21:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Sir, I am in big need of your things. Sir, you don't care for my feelings. Many kindnesses Joseph Diezani Madueke (talk) 21:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Now look here, Mr Mandinka - or whatever your name is - just because someone appears to have written a song about you, it doesn't mean you can go around making unreasonable demands. I can't send you any soap because I need it all myself (I've naturally got a very filthy mind and there's no other way of keeping it even remotely clean). Sincerely, Pale "don't poke me with that" White
  • Send money fast. We will send you a free housewife with many benefits. She does the cooking and you give her food. And money. Ands she send me money, also!! many kind sincerity . Manas meyomao Moneney me Mandike (talk) 13:53, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Something to confuse vegetarians...
Sir, shall I send you one or two houswifes? Send soap and little printed papers quick, quick.Hafspajen (talk) 01:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The problem with sending little papers around the world is that some currencies "may not represent a worldwide view of the subject". PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Sir but my wife and all those little kids... and the neibourg's kids too. mine, you seeManas meyomao Moneney (talk) 01:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Are you a vegatarian, Mister Minor Paley Whitey-Clod? Hafspajen (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Is Mr Whitey-Clod given to wandering as some of his relatives apparently are? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 19:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I eat fish, so I'm not vegetarian, but I haven't knowingly eaten any mammals or birds since 1987. And yes, I am prone to wandering, but mostly in my head.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:45, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Eggs, milk, yogurt, cheese? Hafspajen (talk) 23:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, all those. Except no blue cheese - ugh! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Milestone Great North Road - - 1040674.jpg
Green cheese is okay? Strangely, wikipedia considers Stilton to be blue. This little hedge-dwelling milestone is standing in for the lovely organic Stilton hedge that I wanted to present to you, but could find no photo of. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I never eat blue but I do eat green like gorgonzola...Hafspajen (talk) 14:48, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Weird.. they call that too blue.. guys there is a confusion here. Green cheese .. is not green. But I certanly think that there are green and blue mold cheeses. Hafspajen (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Aaah! How sweet! A demonstration of PCW's particular kind of chairing skills. (Is that a blue chair or a green chair?)
I nominate PCW, otherwise known as Mr Whitey-Clod to chair a commission to sort out this cheesy business; his nutritional needs are at stake. This page calls Stilton a blue cheese, and this document states that Roquefort cheese is a blue cheese with green mold. Penicillium glaucum is interesting, but the picture of Gorgonzola looks green. Is there a colorimetrist in the house? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 19:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, strictly speaking, I should be yellow, rather than white, so perhaps my chairing skills may be a little, er, off-colour. Maybe it's all those green eggs and ham that I used to consume as a child...? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Sixpenny Handley[edit]

I recently made an entry for my village Sixpenny Handley.

Thank you for turning my waffle into something that sounds like an encyclopaedia entry.

I'm sure it must be very frustrating having to tidy up after amateurs like me. I was trying, honest, you should have seen the first version I wrote.

Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello unregistered editor. Thankyou for your comment; I'm glad you're pleased by my changes. It isn't frustrating at all, and we are all amateurs here - we don't get paid. It can take a while to get to grips with how Wikipedia works, so don't judge your efforts harshly. It may be necessary to change the article a bit more, principally to comply with Wikipedia's policy on adopting a neutral tone - see WP:NPOV. I may also try and expand the History section, and perhaps add a Demography section. Thanks for being so courteous! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:53, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Like a Penny dreadful, but six times as bad? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Now now, Mr Evans, just because Sir Frederick Treves called it "the ugliest village in Dorset", there's no need for you to go and add insult to injury. (I do apologise, unregistered editor, for the shabby riff-raff who hang around my talk page - don't take their comments seriously.) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Ooo, how very dare you!! But is it just an ugly village, or is it an ugly small village? haha Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah the memories, haha! Mr Treves—sensible chap—didn't actually comment on that particular aspect - maybe he didn't want to start a huge war? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
I hear he had a secret operating theatre at Calne, Wiltshire for all those tiny appendectomies. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


Iris 'Stepping out' 2007-05-13 388.jpg
A very nice plant with no flowers whatsoever....
This one doesn't appear to have any leaves either... Wonderful, even better

Stop vandalizing the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Paley, are you a Petunia -vandal? You? Really? Can't imagine. You are such a good garden editor... Hafspajen (talk) 15:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
@ I am not vandalising the article; I am editing the article so it conforms to accepted policy. Please see WP:Galleries. Galleries are not supposed to be used for dumping loads of images; Commons is the main repository for images, and articles should only use images with thought to how they illustrate the text and subject. Adding loads of images all showing the same thing doesn't achieve that. Also, please note that I started a thread on the article talk page about this, and even 'pinged' you to let you know, but instead of responding, you have just repeatedly reverted me as an IP - if anything, that is the conduct of a vandal. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
@Hafspajen: I've just been doing a bit of pruning and weeding, Hafs... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you please take a look and give some advice on Stevia? here User talk:CorinneSD.. Hafspajen (talk) 16:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

  • PALEY::: you removed the gallery, man!! ah me working beautifully petunia pictures... Hafspajen (talk) 16:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, but look what was in the gallery - loads of images of similar flowers, all described as "Petunia in Pakistan". And our IP editor hails from Pakistan.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Cry.pngHafspajen (talk) 16:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Paley, how many pictures do you think it would be ok to have, like 1 row or 2 so? I could make a gallery with different colours, max 10 pics...Hafspajen (talk) 16:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Made a smaller gallery and tried to include different colours. Hafspajen (talk) 16:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Well that's better than its previous incarnation, and I appreciate your help Hafs, but it's not just a question of colours; images in galleries really should illustrate different aspects of the article subject. In plant articles, if there's not enough room within the body of the article, a gallery should have images showing parts of the plant—stamens, stipules, fruit etc.—plus specimens growing in the wild in their native habitat. With plants used heavily in horticulture, one or two images of them in cultivation are also suitable. But the problem with this article has been that the very existence of a gallery has encouraged more and more pictures of unnamed "Petunia in Pakistan" to be added, so I became hardline and just deleted it. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the gallery was a bit crapy. I am not going to potest if you remove the new one, or add leafs, plant—stamens, stipules, fruit and specimens growing in the wild in their native habitat. But there is also a list of different cultivars - , if I only new the names of those... pakistani flowers. A Thompson&Morgan catalog might help identifying it. And our hartbroken, beauty and petunia lover from Pakistan has feelings too... eh, sorry about that - I never thought you were against her/him personally...Hafspajen (talk) 17:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC).

It's interesting that the majority of plants listed there are in the Asteraceae; I wonder why that family has so many time-specific flowers? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 03:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Good question... But they supposed to open at special times. Well, not any more, I guess. They mixed up everything with this in the summertime, when the weather is hot... + 1 hour?! That means that the flowers that opens at 12 open...11..or am I counting wrong. Is it 13? Just realised that his measurements are based on flowering times in Uppsala. They probably not work in England. Hafspajen (talk) 10:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Derbyshire map styles[edit]

About the location maps of Calver and Castleton, which you removed: I think that this style of map to highlight the civil parish is quite sensible as it shows its area within a county, and is like what the American maps do. You say that it does not show enough information, such as roads or districts. The map is to highlight the location of the civil parish, not to place a dot where the town is. Places that are not a parish or are in an unparished area would keep the dot-on maps. But I think that the highlighting method is better to have in the articles of all the civil parishes in the UK. Rcsprinter123 (gossip) @ 08:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Although the civil parish map has merit in its own right, I disagree with your contention that it is the preferable map to have within the infobox, for the reason I gave at Talk:Castleton. I shall raise the issue at WT:UKGEO. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, nobody is replying there so if you're the only objector I don't see why I shouldn't carry on adding them. Rcsprinter123 (chatter) @ 08:41, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
That's my concern. I am completely baffled why no-one has replied, seeing as you're proposing implementing a fundamental change to settlement infoboxes which will affect thousands of articles. Plus I can't understand why you believe these new maps to be an improvement - they show less information, and look simplistic by comparison. What's the advantage? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Why does a locator map need to show more information? It's purpose is to show the reader which part of the country/county it is in, but it isn't for navigation. Water bodes are still on the maps. And simple is sometimes better - like the American maps I pointed out, which are used on every place article over there, and nobody has ever complained about those. In fact, they show even less information - no district borders, major roads or rivers. They are clearly the preferable map choice. It's only you I can see who doesn't like them. Rcsprinter123 (speak) @ 11:04, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for info.
--Aftab Banoori (Talk) 09:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


Please see WP:REFACTOR. I'd specifically asked Joseph Laferrier to clean up that WP:PLANTS discussion, because it was two different conversations commingling.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  21:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

You hadn't asked him to clean it up, you had implied he had made an error. The thread hadn't been "refactored", bits of it—including a comment by Peter coxhead—had been removed, leaving the comment by Circeus left without its prompt. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

A new forbidden Wikilove Message[edit]

Gibson the DDB.JPG A Puppy for You!
Hafsen has given you a puppy to take care of. Hafspajen (talk) 01:26, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Not exactly the The love that dare not speak its name, but too cute to not notice!--(Mark Miller) Maleko Mela (talk) 01:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Oh, forbidden ! love... now I get it!! Face-grin.svgHafspajen (talk) 02:05, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
With a name like mine, Your Honour, I sometimes also dare not speak its name... Pale"Hotlips"White
Actually the Swedes wouldn't care much for the forbidden love. That is quite alright. It was the pictures that made them crazy...Face-smile.svg. Hafspajen (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png No message. No indications. Nothing. Hafspajen (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello Cissie, Thanks for your reversions to the Weymouth, Dorset article. I have left a note on's Talk page, explaining Wikipedia policy on original research and also warning them that continued reversions will result in a block. Regards, Ada (David) David J Johnson (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou Ada. When I saw I'd got a message, I was expecting to find an IP lecture about light engineering in Weymouth, so it's a pleasant surprise to see it's just you popping over! I should have left a note for them myself, but was too lazy. I think they mean well, so hopefully they won't feel too discouraged. Best wishes, Ciss.

Conchita Wurst[edit]

Hi PaleCloudedWhite,

There was no comment whatsoever in the article when I edited it using the WYSIWYG editor, so no, of course I did not read it :-). The WYSIWYG does not show that kind of hidden comments. I sense your question was rethorical and maybe even patronizing; if that is true, please refrain from such unconstructive way of communication in the future as it is not helpful in any way.

I did check the Talk page before editing though, and there was no mention at all of the pronouns there. Please put that kind of information on the talk page in the future and not in hidden comments like this.

So my edit is in good faith and I still believe it to be much closer to reality than the fantasy version that was there before and that you reverted to. A fantasy shared by millions is still a fantasy, you know, and Wikipedia is not about that. Wikipedia can state that the fantasy exists and is shared by millions, but it should not buy into it. Likewise, Wikipedia would not state that the Christian God is the only real God, even though hundreds of millions of people probably believe in that.

But I wrote a post on the talk page now, and we can pick up the discussion there where it belongs. --Jhertel (talk) 20:46, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I forget that people using Visual Editor can't see hidden text on the editing page. My intention was not to be patronising. I've already replied to your post on the article talk page. PaleCloudedWhite (talk)

Some stroopwafels for you![edit]

Troupe of very remarkable trained pigs, poster for Barnum & Bailey, 1898.jpg
Excited malamute.JPG Tasty tasty Hafspajen (talk) 20:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Wall sem.jpg
Why, thankyou Hafs - what a handsome dog you are! Face-smile.svg PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Mmm. Ears nice, coat shiny. Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 21:06, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
(We'll ignore the dribble hanging out of your mouth, you wafelfiend....) Face-smile.svg PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Face-blush.svg Hafspajen (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Gaufre biscuit.jpg ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hafspajen (talk) 11:31, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

..pip. Hafspajen (talk) 11:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Invitation![edit]

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Thanks for the invitation, Wes Mouse. My interest in Eurovision is a bit sporadic, and I'm not sure how active a member I'd be if I officially signed my name as a Project member. However, I'll add the talk page to my watchlist - then I can join in if something catches my interest. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:12, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello Cissie, Well our Poundbury window addict has struck again. Once again, I have reverted his/hers six-monthly "edit" and issued a strong warning that if these continue - albeit on a irregular basis - I will apply for a block on all the IP addresses used in the Portsmouth/Southampton/IOW area. Still think we should arrange a midnight visit and block all their windows up? Love Ada, David J Johnson (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I imagine admins won't consider the IP's edits to be frequent enough to warrant any action. They remind me of an unregistered editor at the Portesham article, who keeps returning (from different IP addresses) to add the word "small" to the description of the village, despite my and Martinevans123's attempts to engage them on the talk page. The Poundbury editor probably means well, but they don't seem to recognise that Wikipedia is based on doggone sources!... Ciss


Smithsoniangardens10.jpg Rocky mountain columbine.jpg Aquilegia grahamii SherelGoodrich lg.jpg Doubled flower of Aquilegia x hybrida 001.JPG Aquilegia pyrenaica1JUSA.jpg

Some dove-like Spring gifts for you, Paley, me ol' china! Wondering if you saw this episode on Friday, featuring Carrie Thomas at Killay (whom I have now added!) Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou my dear, a splendid collection! Did you use your columbine harvester to collect them? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:29, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

"I'll give you the key". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:34, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Ploughman's brunch?[edit]

How very dare you! Just cos an editor likes to add a bit of garnish to these oh-so-dreary Wessex articles, you have to go and accuse them of pandering to carnivorous cravings? Whatever next! Regards, Disappointed of Dorchester.

Yes, but someone's got to keep the beaches clean after all these continental, heavy on the meat, "garnishes"... Wurzel "tidy furrow" Gummidge
They do like a bit of forage, don't they! Col. Sandy Bedstraw (Rtd.)
One for your collection, I thought: "Most of his shoes and cuisine is heavily Asian influenced." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's those Asian influenced shoes which enable him to "canter for English dishes", though if he's too heavy with the chilli he may be doing the trots rather than canters... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I find it best to avoid that heavy German stuff... Martinevans123 (talk)

Marty knows about the weather[edit]

Was having a night drive yesterday .. it was Midsummer's eve. (In Sweden celebrated the Friday and Saturday between (19 June and 26 June) - well kind of a moving holliday, like Easter.- [1]

A nice Dorset Naga for you, Paley[edit]

Summer Solstice Sunrise over Stonehenge 2005.jpg Happy Summer Solstice !!
Hope you get a lovely ray of Summer sunshine and a bit of heat in your little corner of Dorset!! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Summer Solstice 2005 - - 47148.jpg

Thankyou both of you. Where should one spend the summer days, I wonder? I see Martin that you've been hanging around The Elephant's Graveyard recently - is it worth a visit, would you say? Are the deckchairs comfy down there? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 04:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

ee lad, 'ow very dare thee! "Shakletons High Seat Chair - it's loovley!" Bobby Chariot (Batley Variety Club) 08:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC) ... you know me, always one for the ladies.
One for the ladies? "You can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man, no time to talk". Just keep taking the pills... "Do-it-yourself Kenny"
Totes, dude. Am such a fashionista. Can't resist real Gucci or even a bit of Prada. Yours in the (back of the) nets, "Big Norm".

Snippets from the BBC 2 local archive: Speech Impediment[edit]

From a 1974 copy of the Morris Dancers' Weekly:

"In midsummer a celebration known as 'Filly Loo' (or 'Filleigh Loo') takes place around the back of the Ashmore council houses with a Green Man, Ye Olde Ghetto Trojan Horse, Morris dancers and live music. The meaning of the name 'Filly Loo' has attracted more than one explanation, including that it is West Country dialect for 'horse dung', a celebration of yoghurt ('dairy-maiden of the dessert'), or a corruption of 'Filbert the Fox', a nickname of the local football team who always provide a concert party of thugs for the event."

Gosh, how fascinating! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, well Sandi's dairy-maiden dessert seems too believable to be true, and I've never really got much joy out of Leicester, so I'm going to go for Giles' horse dung, though I'm sure I'll regret it..... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
If you have 59 minutes to spare you need to watch this - my sides are still aching. But the answer is revealed at exactly 22:45. The whole programme a comedy gem. Deserves a BAFTA! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately I'm still without sound over here at PCW Towers - I keep putting off going and buying a new pc because that involves having to go to a shopping centre, which I loathe.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Hahaha, you obviously need to support these guys: Vulfpeck. You get a free tour thrown in. In the mean time, DYK that you can actually buy stuff over the internet and get it delivered??! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't trust the security of my own pc, so in order to buy over the internet, I have to go to a library, and the last time I did that, as I was typing out my credit card number, the scruffy chap at the next terminal started peering over in my direction, which has kind of put me off. One gets such riff-raff at libraries these days.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
"How Could I Be So Wrong"? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


"and in the irtinterest of health and safety, always remember to wear a helmet and ear defenders..." and a nice checked shirt.

Hello, Can you please identify the plant File:Ivy varigated.jpg

Best wishes and regards

Aftab Banoori (Talk) 08:04, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Aftab Banoori. Although I've had a quick look in a book on houseplants, I'm afraid I don't have the knowledge or sources to help - why don't you try WT:PLANTS, where there are more knowledgeable editors than myself, and I'm sure they'll help if they are able. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

[13]. Hafspajen (talk) 23:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

It's nice to see that 25° in Copenhagen feels like 25°, no weirdness there. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Have anyone thought about of what will happen when he is throug that trunk? Hafspajen (talk) 18:09, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
He'll be absolutely fine - he's wearing a safety helmet! He's obviously completed all the necessary risk assesments... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:18, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Not that a helmet helps against that trunk... Hafspajen (talk) 18:20, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
He's probably got a really hard head, so that when the trunk falls towards him, he can headbutt it out of the way... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Good to know. he should try Word Cup - next. Hafspajen (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Isle of Wight[edit]

Tourism is the largest part of the Island's private sector economy and the "official" website you are supporting is in fact operated by a private company as a destination management organisation. Are you connected with this business? It operates commercially and charges all businesses to be listed. If you look at you can see that there are no adverts at all and the site provides information on many less commercial aspects of the Island, especial independent retail, the arts and crafts sector, events and food and drink. There is certainly room to have more than one website to provide information to visitors and residents. I hope on this basis you might allow it to be referenced. Thanks. Culverdene (talk) 11:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Please enter the discussion I have begun at Talk:Isle of Wight#External links. Thanks. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject TAFI[edit]

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Hello, PaleCloudedWhite. You're invited to join WikiProject Today's articles for improvement. Feel free to nominate an article for improvement at the project's Nominated articles page. Also feel free to contribute to !voting for new weekly selections at the project's talk page. If interested in joining, please add your name to the list of members. NorthAmerica1000 17:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Phytophthora cinnamomi edit reversal[edit]

Flower pots.jpg

Regarding your edit reversal, I had also looked at it, and couldn't decide whether it was a valid edit or not. The IP edit had changed "water mould" to "brown algae". The oomycete page (aka water mould), in the Phylogenetic relationship section says, "A cladistic classification based on modern insights supports a relatively close relationship with photosynthetic organisms such as brown algae and diatoms, within the heterokonts", emphasis added by me. That appeared to me as the likely rationale for the IP editor's changes. Thought I'd mention it to you because of your message to the editor on reversal of the edit, specifically your request for a reference. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to make a determination about the validity of the edit. Gzuufy (talk) 15:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Wondering if it's ever acceptable to describe another editor as "a heterokont"? Might be a useful term to keep handy (if allowed by the civility police, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Stalker here: Definitely a water mould and not a brown alga. If you know that the other editor has two oars, one long and one short, the term "heterokont" seems very appropriate, but perhaps not polite, since the shortness of one oar may be due to an accident. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:33, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
... or due to a deliberate attempt by an enraged fellow editor to inflict harm, of course. Martinevans123 (talk)
You all have wonderful senses of humor! If I'm understanding, the question relates to scientific classification and whether it's appropriate to go "up" to a more general one "heterokont", or "down" to a more specific one "oomycete". In either case, phosphorous acid injection works well on avocado trees, and presumably many other plants, for the oomycete or heterokont root dieback. Heterokonts cause dieoff? Who knew! Gzuufy (talk) 18:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Recently I had a discussion with a plant health inspector, because I feared I had a case of Phytophthora ramorum in one of my gardens. As he started to explain what sort of organisms Phytophthora species are, I tried to show that I already had some understanding of the subject by stating that they were known as water moulds, but the inspector sort of half laughed at that, as if I was being very simplistic (well, one tries one's best...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 04:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Poor guy, obviously not a wiki editor. But I never have much luck with water moulds. They always burn. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

There once was an alga named Mould,
Who never would do what he's told;
When informed he was brown,
He moved to a town
To live in a flower of gold.

A sly little grim oomycete,
Was often found walking the street.
He started a blight,
That caused quite a fright,
And felt that his life was complete.
--- Seamus O'Bogus (talk) 20:23, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Of course, this raises the question of how one pronounces the word oomycete; I have always gone for the Kenny-Williams-does-camp-mediterranean-waiter approach of ooooh! my see-tee, but then I love a bit of camp... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
You Can Count On Me, Luv:
A sly little grim oomycete,
Was striving for something more meaty.
So he started a rumpus,
Way beyond his plant compass,
And thought of himself as a sweetie.
--- Seamus O'Scabies (talk) 20:23, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, looking at our page, you may have been right the first time - the IPA pronunciation (don't know why I'd never noticed that before) makes it look a bit like 'lower my seat', but without the initial 'l'. Well, isn't it remarkable what one learns here - it's almost like reading an encyclopaedia (or should that be pronounced encyclopeerdeer...?)!! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
En-cyclo-speedy-deer!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Charlotte Brontë[edit]

PCW, I don't know if you do any creative writing, but I do, and I assure you that I don't write under a pseudonym, whereas I do publish under a pseudonym even though I am not the owner of the actual means of publication. See the OED, "publish (of author, editor, or publisher) issue copies of (book, engraving, etc.) for sale to the public", and the Gage Canadian, "be the author of published books or articles". It's absolutely common usage to say that authors publish, and to claim that it is incorrect to use the word this way is narrowing the meaning in a way that simply doesn't correspond to the reality. In fact, look at the dictum "publish or perish", which is not "write or perish"; academics who comply do indeed publish, even though they're not publishers. Awien (talk) 00:06, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I see your point. I have self-reverted. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:14, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. And I have no idea how that citation got there. Best, Awien (talk) 00:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
The citation had been there for ages, but suddenly I'd just had enough of having 'Weather Information for Copenhagen' at the bottom of my talkpage... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Whew! As not much of a technophile, I'm always prepared to believe I caused weirdness to happen by pressing a wrong key. Awien (talk) 00:38, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I generally find weirdness happens just as a result of existing...Face-smile.svg PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


does NOT mean "about to happen"! "I am presently sitting at my laptop" =/= "I am about to sit at my laptop". It means "now", "in the present", with an overtone that the present is not necessarily a permanent state. Jsmith1000 (talk) 23:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

In my dictionary it defines "presently" thus: adv. 1. in a short while, soon. 2. Chiefly U.S. at the moment. 3. an archaic word for immediately. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
In my view "I am presently sitting at my laptop" is not a good construction; ignoring the debate over whether people sit at or with laptops, the sentence should be either "I am currently sitting at my laptop" or "At present I am sitting at my laptop", or if one wanted to indicate that the described state is only temporary, "For the present I am sitting at my laptop". If "presently" is to be used, it should be in the construction "I shall presently be sitting at my laptop", indicating a state that is soon to be realised. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Gasp! And then there's that dreadful term "oversight", which sane people use to mean not having done something, but Americans seem to have an entirely different meaning for. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:45, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Reclining root vegetables always feel that they're above everyone else...
Wasson, 'ere? Ya'll be gettun all teasy dreckly, me 'ansum. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Of course, the perfect word: dreckly. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:27, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Oy, vay! I'm so farmisht! But you're such a tsaddik! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) If you guys don't get serious, somebody might decide they need to surveille you. Awien (talk) 16:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Sheesh. I might even get renditionated. And I ain't even tryin' to burglarize Paley's page! Martinevans123 (talk)
A Cornishman quite freckly,
Who only lived life dreckly,
Met his match in a lass,
From a high Yorkshire pass,
Where life is lived by 'eck! ly.
PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
(Stalker "surveillance") This "insane" American takes "exception" to much of this "conversation". Please be careful with what you say about others here, whether specifically or by nationality. There are those that might see this as "bashing". I am sure your dictionaries can assist you with the words.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Dontcha know that my British English dictionary defines "surveillance" thus: n. close observation or supervision maintained over a person, group, etc. Woof! Woof! PaleCloudy*****
(edit conflict) Just observing not asking for sex or whatever that piped link is meant to say. I have watched listed your page since an encounter with you on another article that made you come near to retiring. I didn't watch list your page for any sexual gratification. That's just an odd reaction. I wanted to understand you better. I am certainly understanding you better now.--Mark Miller (talk) 10:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
WHH Isabella Pot of Basil DelArt.jpg
The Three Bears - Project Gutenberg eText 17034.jpg
"Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie." Who on earth would say such a thing! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
""If anyone objects to any statement I make I am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also to deny under oath that I ever made it."
A young Billy looking rather handsome in cuttlefish...

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Mark, I fear you misunderstand my comment. There is no malice intended. The encounter we had months ago is all water under the bridge as far as I am concerned. I assumed your decision to add to my page meant you were joining in the general tomfoolery, and my comment was purely a joke intended to cause amusement (like many of my comments). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I kinda was joining in the general tomfoolery, but also with a serious mention that some of the comments in the discussion could be seen as derogatory. But your post above shows that you are sincere and not being insulting and even kept cool when I reacted badly. Thanks!--Mark Miller (talk) 20:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
"I cheered at the bandilleros' display,
As they stuck the bull in their own clever way,
For I hadn't had so much fun since the day
My brother's dog Rover
Got run over." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm now totally lost, but in case it was me who hurt someone's feelings with surveille, I was just joking about the way in the US every noun can be "verbed". Awien (talk) 12:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Everyone's lost on this page - I've been trying to find my way out for years... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Uncle me no uncle! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, Awien, I hope you will. Hafspajen (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
(ec) Lost? lost, - confess that I believed that presently meant "in the present time", thanks for the precious present of edification. Memories of a year ago (music still somewhat present) pictured on the Main page, by me, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
But Gerda, no Monday...? Hafspajen (talk) 14:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
No Monday. Strike will not be noticed, my experience. Even if, - if a DYK appears, as wanted on the day of the anniversary - and that happens to be a Monday, do you think I would not comment? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Of course you would, Gerda. Hafspajen (talk) 14:59, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
I remember how we searched for a soprano able to sing our style and still be affordable, - we are used to Andreas Scholl singing for friendship ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
For anyone feeling lost within the wild woodlands of my talkpage, you are invited to pause and admire the undergrowth - it can be quite lovely... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
and if not, just continue
Well, until I don't have to discuss this kind of stuff, so. Hafspajen (talk) 15:50, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
If ever there was a thread that really helped me understand Pale, it is this one...especially with Gerda joining in with a few comments. I can clearly see the two of you are very similar in nature. I think Gerda is one of our best editor and community members and she has helped to retain editors, encourage them, award them and take notice of their good contributions. Very sorry that I took all of this too seriously. (Love the forest image)--Mark Miller (talk) 20:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
I once was lost . . . but now in imagination I find myself rambling through the bluebell wood, breathing in great lungfuls of the heavenly perfume. Thanks! Awien (talk) 19:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
May I ask in private, since you keep visiting one of my favourite pages - what exactly you meant at ANI by your comment, Awien? What has been done to made me look better? Who did what? Was I looking bad, anyway? I hardly participated at the September morn discussion. Hafspajen (talk) 21:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Responding on your own page. Awien (talk) 22:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


The Parley
The Barley Mow [2]

Isle of Wight contributions by Tim Brayford[edit]


I've noticed you're an active editor of Isle of Wight - as am I - and I'm looking for a bit of help. You may have noticed a series of contributions by new user Timbrayford on the topic of deer on the Isle of Wight. These edits are in my view original research, but I am in real life one of a number of professionals involved in a debate with Mr Brayford on this topic in other fora and so it isn't appropriate for me to become involved. I therefore hope I can call on your impeccable judgement to determine if you feel any intervention is required, or not. With thanks Naturenet | Talk 08:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I had noticed these edits, and it was apparent they were based on original research - only published on blogs etc. - but at the time I was too tired to get involved (editing Wikipedia can sometimes feel like a series of battles, with no prospect of an end to the war...). I might start a discussion on the talk page, unless you do so first. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
"Take cover, men! Incoming Bambi!" Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC) [14]
Thanks, PaleCloudedWhite, that's appreciated. I'm only seeking help as it's genuinely something I shouldn't do myself, as I'm too involved professionally in real life. So I'll leave it to you - or if you'd rather not, just say. And I entirely know what you mean about 'editing fatigue'! Naturenet | Talk 17:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Weymouth, Dorset[edit]

Hello Cissie, we appear to having further trouble with the PatMoss character who crossed swords with us back in May. They are again inserting unsourced and POV edits on the Weymouth, Dorset article and have started reverting my corrections. Could do with a bit of help here to stop this again. Love Ada, xx. David J Johnson (talk) 19:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I put a couple of rocks in my handbag and took a swipe. Best, Ciss. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:53, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Siss. I've just realised that this PatMoss is also using the following IPs: and for unsourced edits. I have been in touch with an admin and await further developments. Love Ada, xx David J Johnson (talk) 23:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! II[edit]

Special Barnstar Hires.png The Special Barnstar
The Special Barnstar is awarded to a user as a gesture of appreciation when there is no other barnstar which would be appropriate. Hafspajen (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
William Trost Richards - Cornwall can be just as "well-stacked" as Dorset.

Thanks Hafs. I take a special pride in being inappropriate. Face-wink.svg PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

... it just means you got special needs. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Only one of my personalities has special needs ... the other 59 are quite self-sustaining. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Happy ever after Hafspajen (talk) 21:11, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
"Wiggle your glasses and give us a smile." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Tea Pouring in Chengdu 2.jpg

I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor ! Arctic Monkey (talk) 12:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Dorset can get quite cold, you know! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Twinkle, twinkle little bat... "A Mad Tea-Party" (talk) 12:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to self-diagnose with dementia and claim my £55. Thank you, nurse. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Lovely Halloween[edit]

Witch burning gummy bears.jpg Hello :PaleCloudedWhite- Hafspajen has given you some lovely Halloween gummy bears, to wish you a Happy Halloween! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a gummy bear! Enjoy! Don't eat them all at once! Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 14:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg Face-smile.svg Face-smile.svg Face-smile.svg

A short sample followed by two flanging versions

Unprocessed organ followed by different phasing effects

Notice the bell-like sound

Problems playing these files? See media help.
Hmm, I've found some Gummi 'bares' - something tells me they can be eaten all at once... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
You Won't See Me! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:31, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
HUH, WHAT A PSYCO HALLOWEEN. Face-grin.svgHafspajen (talk) 13:17, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

"Hubble bubble toil and toffee" (the noo)[edit]

Beware of girls in red dresses who say, "trick or treat?" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:32, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Mmm, nice earrings, Paley! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
A Whiter Shade Of Pale
Nice! But this is more me...
Huh, your complexity. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Hm, hm[edit]

The White Cloud, Head Chief of the Iowas
White Ape.jpg A Pale .... Whatever
Hm, monkeys flying around? Hafspajen (talk) 18:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Personally I thought pornography fitted better, but never mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Speeding (library) ticket.
I'm non the wiser as to the nature of what was visited upon my userpage - presumably it was an overflowing of effusive well-wishing that, had I seen it, would only have gone to my head... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
It may have been a very amusing one-word substitution of your undergraduate course. But I'm not allowed to tell you, in case you get a bit "physical". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, who. Hafspajen (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
The only pornography I encountered as an undergraduate was courtesy of Robert and chums, which says something of my mental state at the time... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:38, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

... same here, but you'd often find me stalking the undergrowth looking for my mates. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

...when in the forest, beware of grim hazards, such as limbs lying around, and general bodily disintegration... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
OGM! I've been out-Easter Egged! curses!.... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:08, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Marty you say you are Hungarian–English translator. what is that mean.azanyad picsaja - I always wondered. Hafspajen (talk) 11:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

FlagOfYorkshire.svg This user is wondering what is the point of anything

...something to do with elbows, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


Whatever they? All Swedes Norwegian and Danish spell it St. Lucia. Hafspajen (talk) 11:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Can we call you Norman? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
No. Hafspajen (talk) 12:36, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

you are insupportableHafspajen (talk) 12:56, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy holiday season[edit]

Merry christmas!.jpg
Happy Holiday CheerHerbert James Draper, Midsummer Eve.jpg
Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys! Hafspajen (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Hafs (sorry for the delay). What is glögg? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

That is glögg ... in Old Norse. Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
As drunk by Noggin the Nog, perhaps? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus[edit]

Thankyou Martin! As you have seen, I've just come back from Santas Grotto - and I must say, it's more entertaining than this place ("You basically walk around a small wood, while people dressed as elves try to slow you down") Haha! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

OMG, no! ... and those dreadful floral cuffs to contend with, too!? He's looking even more perma-tanned than our mate "mahogany Dave", this year. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
What kind of floral cult? Pure winter-wonderland Hafspajen (talk) 11:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Looks like The Black and White Minstrel Show might be making a comeback... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[[
How utterly ridiculous. But I think you'll find this version is more pc, these days. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
How utterly going to extremes. Hafspajen (talk) 17:54, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
The Black and White Menstrual Show? Sounds like an answer to that old joke, "I say I say I say, what's black and white and red all over?" Or then again, maybe the answer to that is this...? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holiday[edit]

Hello Cissie, A short note to wish you and yours "complements of the season". I may even put my teeth in for Christmas Day! Love, Ada, David J Johnson (talk) 15:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou, Ada. Yes I would recommend keeping the dentures in position - they are necessary for the correct deportment and presentation of the face. And even the tenderest bird is tricky to manage without them... Best wishes, Ciss.

Happy New Year PaleCloudedWhite![edit]

Luncheon Still Life -
Ganymede gets all the best birds..!

Thankyou Hafs, you're very kind. (P.S. I took the liberty of reducing the size of your nuts...they were rather dominating the page...Face-smile.svg) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

How very dare you - as Marty say. Methuselah (talk) 10:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC Your Lunch is already a Featured one. (talk) 10:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

He died just short of his 42nd birthday - sure you want to channel his vibes? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC))
Aert de Gelder (Dutch - Ahimelech Giving the Sword of Goliath to David - Google Art Project.jpg

Oh, terrible thought. Friendship (3390612269).jpgMethuselah (talk) 17:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Let's wish for a great 2015[edit]

Happy Christmas and New Year.jpg

Thankyou for your kind thoughts Gareth, mine is 'in the post'. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Mari Lwyd hapus[edit]

Happy New Year PaleCloudedWhite![edit]

Aurora Borealis in north pole.jpg Wishing you many wonderful experiences
Best wishes for health and happiness in the year ahead. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Forgot this one

I like those! Wonderful! Nice to have lots of eyes watching my page. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Extras!!! Calceolaria uniflora.JPG Hafspajen (talk) 14:40, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy Day[edit]

Dont.png Happy 22 January
Happy Don`t worry be happy Day for you! Hafspajen (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

What's up? Reply[edit]

No, not just that, or even that to any degree. I had a desire to return to the "real world" but now feel I would be better off just cutting down my time here. Thanks for your concern but I'll be back, with a smaller commitment. Britmax (talk) 09:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, I have to stay with people doing things like this. I mean, what do they teach them in schools nowadays? Britmax (talk) 10:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Presumably they "cribbed" their information from an unreliable source. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)