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Nepalese editors & DAB pages[edit]

Hi PamD
I have been having some 'conniptions' with a Nepalese editor, see here and here and found another one who I though might be able to help me, but then I saw you had queried them in March last year about a cut&paste they did to a DAB page.
I am disturbed because apparently they are an Admin and Bureaucrat on the Naplis WP. [1] (see Smiley emoticons doh.gif I saw that they did this edit which appears to be a move/cut&paste to an article without explanation and wondered what you thought of it? 220 of Borg 12:22, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@220 of Borg: I've had a go at sorting out the mess! PamD 17:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I see you've reverted, and a lot more! Looks like you spent nearly 2 hours there! Thanks. I must say I had no idea which was correct, but now it seems the page name and text there now have different spellings! (Kavrepalanchowk District vs Kavrepalanchok). I think its quite silly the way such translations into written English are 'fought' over. English doesn't even sound like it's written, let alone another language after translation!
• Not sure what's going on with 'my' guy though, or his sources at least. I made Nepals' National Police Academy intelligible, I hope (here), but the source doesn't seem to 'work'. Is internet in Nepal possibly so bad that the on-line sources that do exist can't be found? i.e. comes up as via Google as "This webpage is not available", but Google translate gives a result! Can't understand that.
• I see that you've been involved with Jefferyseow about Draft:Satwant Singh Dhaliwal too! :-/ 220 of Borg 03:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
@220 of Borg:The link from the dab page at National Police Academy (which you link to above) was to National Police Academy of Nepal which redirected to Nepal Police! I've now retargeted that redirect to the article you've been working on at National Police Academy, Nepal. Lots of chaos in that country's WP articles, it seems. PamD 07:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Whoops! Smiley emoticons doh.gif Entirely my link error, though some good seems to have come out of it! I hope there hasn't been a copy/ paste to the new National Police Academy, Nepal page! :-o 220 of Borg 08:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
@220 of Borg: And I've proposed a page move at Talk:Kavrepalanchowk District - I was hoping that a Nepal expert might come forward to give an opinion, but decided to be WP:BOLD and go for it. PamD 08:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Yep, had a look. Bhadani moved it back in 2005, and they are a sysop, though not highly active, but may have some useful input. In fact they created that page! I wonder if there is a log of "frequently moved pages"? as this silliness over non-English translated to English seems rather common, and possibly comes down to local pronunciation! I wonder if there is an 'official' Romanization of Nepalese languages/s? - 220 of Borg 08:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


I see also that you can access the link/s I marked that were dead for me. I'm stumped! Face-surprise.svg - 220 of Borg 08:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Enough is enough=[edit]

@220 of Borg: see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Mahendra_Niraula_-_competence_is_required. PamD 18:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Noted, thanks PamD (We tried, sigh!) - 220 of Borg 00:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

April 2015[edit]

Hello and Namaste PamD sir,

I am sorry for my mistakes when some of the texts were removed.I never do any mistakes but sometimes it happens accidently and ask for appologizes if i made such any.You know peoples have to give respects to peoples because no animals need any respect like us and so,i wanna humbly suggest and would like to ask for help when i fall in difficulties.Anyway thanks.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 07:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions: Edit carefully. Use the "Show Preview" button, and do not hit "Save" unless you are 100% sure that your edit is correct and is not damaging existing content. Take care not to damage the encyclopedia. Learn from comments people leave on your talk page. Take care to write in clear and simple English. And, if you are not competent to edit in English, consider editing a Wikipedia in a language with which you are more familiar. Above all, edit more carefully, both on talk pages and in articles. PamD 07:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Urging to write any messages or comments in talk page[edit]

File:Informatiohigherlleft Hello,It's me MaheIndra Niraula and by the way you did a confusion act that you left a message written to me on your own user page which makes me a bit baffled to find it quickly so,please to write me any messages,leave that written messages on my own user page Mahendra Niraula (talk) 09:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC) so th I can read it out as soon as you posted here.Well,with the respect to your suggestion about writing articles and editing styles,what I wanna say you that I do these all by being careful to the some extent however, sometime it does happen something wrong and I try to avoid them all.yea,that's a good idea when you advised me to try in familiar language and I am doing both in English and Nepali language therefore, I think you are clear about my intentions and attempts of doing something forWikipedia now.You also are a editor like me but since you have just a language(English) as a mother language,you have no any difficult and can make rare mistakes while editing but I don't have such easy way. But I understand the English well to some extent or including to help Wikipedia whatever you don't understand about my writing.Anyway,happy editing Mahendra Niraula (talk) 09:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

As you can see clearly written both at the top and at the bottom of this talk page, I reply to messages here on this page unless I have been specifically asked to reply elsewhere. It's up to you to read and understand notices like that, which are very common on user talk pages. I replied to your previous message on your talk page because you appeared not to understand what my talk page was, as you'd dumped a message on my user page. It would have been helpful if I had "pinged" you to tell you I had replied here, but that would have been an extra. You should have been looking out for an answere on this page. PamD 18:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Singaha Bahini Higher Secondary School, Myanglung[edit]

Hi, Iam a bit unsatisfied with what you have done to the article " Singha bahini higher secondary school" because the section or heading "Teachers " is suitable and you have reverted it too but i would say if you feel this whole article is quite unfit to wikipedia you can delect it all.It's not good to put just a heading.You are trying to do unjust to the new editor like me and you are discouraging totally in my thought.You know i took a long time to procure the facts to make a perfect article so,iam hesitating to write article now and ask to other expert editor too whether it is fit or not.You have removed my citations and references too why?So,if the wesites are like this then what to add other? This is your policy of making to other editor quite upset.Anyway,if you are doing it by mistakes then it's ok.And i would like to request you to not remove all headings like you did in that article.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 12:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mahendra Niraula: Again, please read the notice at the top of this talk page. It says "If you are discussing any particular page, please provide a link to it - it makes life easier for me and anyone else seeing this page." That's actually just common sense and courtesy in any case. Next time, please remember to link to Singaha Bahini Higher Secondary School, Myanglung - though I am now confused as to which is the correct spelling, the one at which you created the article or the one you use in the text (Singaha or Singha?) Which is correct?
Can I also point out that messages with dates as the subject heading are usually those left when an editor uses a standard "template" message, not those left by individuals. Please use a more informative subject line. I've amended this one. PamD 18:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
@Mahendra Niraula: And, in haste because I've got things to do this evening, I don't see that I removed any citations from the school article; I removed the list of teachers' names because we just don't list all the teachers in a school - see Eton College for one of the best known schools in England, for example. No time for more.PamD 18:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
@Mahendra Niraula: See in particular Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Article_guidelines#What_not_to_include which says " While naming the head teacher or principal is permitted, lists or detailed information about current or former pupils, parents of current or former pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, teachers etc. is usually inappropriate." So your heading "Teachers" is not appropriate. You might like to read the rest of that article, Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines, for guidance on how to write about schools in English Wikipedia. PamD 23:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Verry verry good morning and I am going to convince you as to the confusion in spelling of the school about which i created the page (singha bahini higher secondary school,Myanglung),the official registered name is actually (Singha Bahini) not (singaha) and you don't have to be confused on it. And to In terms of particular page,which page shall i refer you when this page ready existing here I am talking about its heading that you took out?Mahendra Niraula (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@PamD :And by the way,you have focused to procure the (link) but a Iam confused even on this cases so,what kind of links should be added here please?I think you are just pretending that you don't understand the writing which I am using here in both talk Page and writing. But the reality is that I use simple English as I do writing article so that it can easily be read and understood by all.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@PamD :Another case is that you have talked and quoted me that just the Teachers" can't be listed in school's article so,what about placing the headline with different subject and including the names of teachers?Don't claim by saying that you have not removed my citations linked to article (Singha Bahini) because I had added few citation by removing the ( citation templt) but I don't see any of them.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mahendra Niraula: I will reply on your talk page, to keep the record of my comments there. PamD 07:43, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Project profile[edit]

Okay so I saw this page for Project profile which you put a prod for but the creator deleted it-I do agree it does sound like a dictionary deff but not sure if it should go through a afd or not. Wgolf (talk) 04:33, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@Wgolf: It's slightly less bad than it was but still seems pretty useless. I'm not convinced that it's a term which means anything in general, rather than being used by specific organisations. By all means take it to AfD. PamD 07:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Done! Wgolf (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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Dervla Murphy, volunteer work[edit]

I recently edited this sentence: "She followed this by volunteering with Tibetan refugees in India and Nepal and trekking with a mule through Ethiopia" to read: "She followed this by volunteering to help Tibetan refugees in India and Nepal etc".

The original sentence didn't convey the meaning which was intended - which is that she volunteered to help Tibetan refugees - but that she volunteered with Tibetan refugees to do something in India and Nepal. You changed another part of the text (Full Tilt and other early writings), which I hadn't edited, from "Murphy volunteered to work with Tibetan refugees" to read: "Murphy worked as a volunteer with Tibetan refugees". You then reverted the sentence I had edited to its original form, with the comment ""volunteered to work"sounds like the one-off decision to work". I don't see that it does, and in any case the next part of the sentence, that she worked in two separate countries, would have cleared up any confusion on that score.

Can I suggest that "She followed this with volunteer work helping Tibetan refugees" would explain the circumstances without any possible misinterpretation? Robocon1 (talk) 09:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC) Apologies, link here: Dervla Murphy Robocon1 (talk) 09:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Improper stub tag additions[edit]

I apologize for duplicating the stub tag in the insect articles you created and for the time you spent correcting the error. I'm not sure how it happened, but I clearly failed to notice that they were already placed. Roches (talk) 18:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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Arnside Knott[edit]


In 2012 you reverted my son's edits to the Arnside Knott with snarky comments about Wikipedia policy.

I have been pissed off at you since then.

I believe that you should have, at worst, added an 'attribution needed' tag to his edits.

But instead, you reverted true information because of what I perceive as your stick in the butt opinions of wikipedia policy.

I am still pissed off, and I still don't understand why someone would _revert_ true information rather than add the 'attribution needed' tag.

Am I missing some detail, or was your behavior simply lame?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichGibson (talkcontribs) 07:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@RichGibson: Looking at the history of Arnside Knott I see that an editor added a mis-spelled, uncapitalised, unsourced, note about there being friendly highland cattle on the hill. I removed it as unencyclopedic and left a friendly note on the user talk page as the editing appeared to be that of a young child from its style. The information was then re-added by the same editor, with what appeared to be a source, and is still in the article today. That's how Wikipedia works. I'm sorry that you feel unhappy about that. ... Looking further, I notice that the "source" is a blog and not a Reliable Source, so the information could be removed from the article again. PamD 08:16, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Anne F. Garréta[edit]

Thanks for contributing to and referencing the Anne F. Garréta page - the first page I've created on Wikipedia! Technolalia (talk) 11:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@Technolalia: You're welcome: I hover around the encyclopedia sorting stubs and picking up on whatever catches my attention, and I noticed she'd been proposed for deletion but seemed someone who ought to be sourceable. There's a lesson to learn from this experience of having your first created page nominated for deletion: always include at least one good solid Reliable Source. It's important for all articles but even more so for living people, where an unsourced article can be deleted after seven days with no requirement for anyone else to look for sources - see Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people.
Have you got a source for her date of birth? You included it in the article so must have got it from somewhere, unless perhaps she's a friend or family (in which case see WP:COI).
Ideally sources are given as nice full references, but even a bare URL (web address) is better than nothing, and sources don't need to be online if you have found the information in a published documents (book, newspaper, etc) and can give a proper reference just as you would in a written paper. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia, but it's an interesting journey. Enjoy your editing! PamD 12:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice & tips. Much appreciated. Don't know AFG personally, got birthdate from the French page Should I cite that? Or translate the page? Technolalia (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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Larkspur Press[edit]

For the moment, I'm going to leave aside from the fact that it took you eight hours, not "a couple of minutes", to create the category in question. The main thing is that if I'm in the middle of working with the untagged uncategorized articles list and a page I've already tagged suddenly comes bouncing back onto the list again barely minutes after I've cleared it, then I have to immediately stop everything else I'm doing and unbounce it again before I even go back to the rest of the batch I'm still in the middle of tagging, because that's the way the job of tagging uncategorized articles works.

If you want to use a category that doesn't exist yet, then you have the option of creating it first and then applying it to the article after it's been converted into a bluelink — but as the person who's doing an uncats-tagging run, I do not have the option of simply leaving it as a redlink-categorized article pending something that might happen in the future. My responsibility, when working with that tool, is to get it cleared to absolute zero each and every time I'm working with it — I cannot leave some articles sitting on it just because somebody might deign to eventually create the category in question. People frequently add redlinked categories without intending to create them right away, and it's not my responsibility to be able to read anybody's mind.

If a page shows up on the uncats list, then I have to do whatever is necessary (creating it, restripping and retagging it again, or replacing it with other categories) the very moment I see it there at all, especially if it's bouncing right back at me mere minutes after I've already dealt with it the first time — because keeping that list clean is the categorization project's single overarching "trump card" priority. As the categorizer, you have other options (i.e. creating the category first and then applying it), while as the tagger, I don't have the option of simply leaving the page on the uncats list — so you're free to feel as inconvenienced as you want by it on your own time, but you don't get to put it on me as some kind of error or inappropriate action or unwikilike conduct on my part, when I merely took the action that the task I was working on required me to take. Bearcat (talk) 07:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Bearcat: Perhaps in an ideal world your "uncats" list would have a five minute delay. I don't know where you got your "eight hours" from: Category added at 23:56, and Category created 23:57. Some confusion over time zones? Yes, another time I'll Preview but not save, then create the cat. It's obviously much less typing to add the redlinked category first, then click on it to create it, which is what I was doing here.
But perhaps if it bounces back into your list you could try a little WP:AGF and assume that the editor who's added it is about to create it? Just for five minutes? PamD 07:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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Apologies and thanks[edit]

Ah, I see now. I saw 134 was, essentially, a useless article in a category that wasn't complete yet and decided to merge this into it to help. Thanks on picking that up so quickly! KieranTribe (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@KieranTribe: "Notability" of numbers seems a bit of a grey area.
  • At Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numbers#How_far_to_go.3F there is a "proposal" to have individual articles on all integers from -1 to 200 whether otherwise notable or not.
  • At Wikipedia:Notability (numbers) it is noted that "however, it is accepted that every integer between −1 and 101 has its own article even if it is not as interesting as the other."
  • It looks as if there is an article for every number up to 200 but not thereafter: 247 (number), which redirects to 240 (number), is the first I can find without its own article.
  • Looking further... 134 (number) was gutted a few months ago, and I've now reverted to the previous state - which is very similar to that for many other integers. I hope you agree it looks a bit more respectable now.
  • And there's a whole set of road number lists - and I've added the UK A134 road to that list I rescued, while I was there - the sort of one-thing-leads-to-another which makes editing Wikipedia such fun, and such a time sink. Enjoy your editing. PamD 20:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
@PamD: Ah, thanks. I should've checked the revision history, it's so annoying when people vandalize like that. Mm, that's why I felt that it needed the content and not a deletion, the fact that all those pages exist. And you. :-) KieranTribe (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Amazingly fast pick-up of a merge I shouldn't have done, and really helpful afterwards. Thanks! KieranTribe (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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Regarding the stupid and ridiculous fuss over adding one stupid definition to one stupid article explaining the uses of an abbreviation, it is a sad state of affairs for this enterprise that people are allowed to force through their edits simply by virtue of having the time and obsessiveness to come back again and again undoing someone else's good work. (talk) 14:33, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@ Alternative viewpoint: it's a good thing that there are people around with the energy to uphold long-established rules despite other editors' preferences to ignore the rules. What part of WP:DABABBREV is not clear? It says "Do not add articles to abbreviation or acronym disambiguation pages unless the target article includes the acronym or abbreviation". Just edit the article on Legal highs to add the terminology you consider so important, with its abbreviation, and then the abbreviation will be a valid entry on the dab page. And then please make a Redirect from the spelled-out version of the phrase too.
... but I've just found that New psychoactive substance already redirects to Designer drug, where the term and its abbreviation NPS are both mentioned, so I'll now add that to the NPS dab page... Done. PamD 14:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clare Richards[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clare Richards. You may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clare Richards, since you said in an earlier edit that Clare Richards is not a DAB page. Thanks. π♂101 (talk) 21:40, 24 May 2015 (UTC)