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Happy Paulmcdonald's Day![edit]

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User:Paulmcdonald has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Paulmcdonald's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Paulmcdonald!

Peace,
Rlevse
00:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

Did You Know?[edit]

1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 12 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 15:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

--Whoo-hoo!!!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Robert Park (football coach)[edit]

Updated DYK query On 23 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Park (football coach), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for creating this article! As an unofficial church historian, I have plenty of sources about RP ministers, but I never knew he was a coach until after I saw the article. Nyttend (talk) 19:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Funny! I never knew he was a minister until you added the info!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Jake High[edit]

DYK for Jim Harkema[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest P. Goodrich[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


DYK for Elmer Mitchell[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tony Lombardi[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rick Rasnick[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for List of Eastern Michigan Eagles head football coaches[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Cleanups[edit]

Yes, some people archive. I am not one of them. Please don't take offense: if you want to review an old discussion, feel free check out the page history (and yes, I only keep the stuff I wanna keep--hey, it's my talk page...). I do keep relevant discussions for as long as they are... well... relevant.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Why I haven't archived Essentially it has been a combination of not knowing how and laziness. Maybe not laziness, because it seems that I'm always learning something new on Wikipedia. I guess I've had other interests and have been enthusiastic in other areas. I've not really seen the need to archive.

Lately I've gotten requests to begin archiving my talk pages. I'll look into it and figure out how to do that. If someone wants to show me, please do so.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed) 21 Dec 2007--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 9 Jan 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 21 May 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 25 August 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 30 October 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 12 December 2008) --Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 10 February 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 23:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)-

(dead discussions removed 1 July 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 20 July 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 25 November 2010)--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 12 January 2012)--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 4 April 2012)--Paul McDonald (talk) 10:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 23 February 2013)--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:04, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Harry Buck[edit]

If you're interested, Harry Buck has lots of Google hits and could be expanded. Harry Crowe Buck was the full name. – Connormah (talk) 04:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll look into it!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Another one, Dewey King - he was the "DeWayne King" that coached at SJ State from 1970 to 1972...could you sort the infobox out when you get the time? – Connormah (talk) 05:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Continuing on with the Kansas coaches, I believe Charles Erickson and Dee Errikson were the same person as well... – Connormah (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Feel free to keep posting these ideas here for now. --Paul McDonald (talk) 01:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
DONE E. C. Gallagher is Edward C. Gallagher per http://bakertrack.wordpress.com/19-2/Connormah (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Coach bios, etc[edit]

Paul, I see you're back at creating more college football coach biographies. Good stuff. I want to point out a few items:

  • In the name field of infoboxes, the subject's common name (i.e. article name minus any parenthetical disambiguation) should appear. Additional nicknames or initials should be omitted. The same is true in lists of coaches, in coach navboxes, and generally anywhere a given person is referenced. Pretty much always go by the common name. Full names, initials, and nicknames should indeed be noted in the lead of the subject's bio article.
  • Your standard stub-out includes the phrase "...was an American football coach in the United States." I used to make the same sort of practice, but got some feedback from guys like Dirtlawyer1 and Cbl62 that this was redundant. At this point I agree with them. I think we can assume, unless otherwise noted, than any American football player or coach is an American citizen playing or coaching in the US. So the phrase "in the United States" can be dropped.
  • The lead ought to also note head coaching tenures. Simply saying the guy was a football coach is a little sparse, even for an initial stub.
  • Let's take a quick look at one of your standard sentences, e.g. "Turnbull was the first head college football coach for the Wheaton Thunder located in Wheaton, Illinois." There are couple problems here. First, the phrase "head college football coach" is stilted and overstated. Turnbull was the "first head football coach" at Wheaton. That's all you need. Wheaton is a college. They don't play high school or pro football. College football is all they have ever played. Second, the construction "Wheaton Thunder" is not good form. It's an over-packing of wikilinks. This should all read something like, "Turnbull was the first head football coach at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois." Then, after that, you could delve into more detail and work a link in directly to Wheaton Thunder football.
  • In navboxes there's no need to use "{{PAGENAME}}" as sort key. Totally obsolete code.
  • In general I think it's preferable to write endashes with wiki markup, rather than in the HTML code (–). This make things more efficient and cleaner in the edit view.
  • It would also be great if you could use standard spacing in instance sof Template:Infobox college coach so that the equal signs all line up. Again, this make things much cleaner in the edit view.

Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions about stuff. Thanks again and all the best, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Great points all around. I've been getting ready to sit down and scrub up my tool that I use to create the templates. It might seem kind of corny, but I have an Excel workbook that I use to make a "skeleton article" and then go back and add details as I find them. It's really handy, but it isn't perfect. I really appreciate how you've batted clean-up for me on what I've been doing!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, you mentioned the Excel template before. Not corny at all. I like the idea of efficiency. I'm pretty good with Excel, so let me know if I can help with that template. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm working on a new template and will start with List of Northern Colorado Bears head football coaches. I think I need to finish up Sterling and Wheaton with the current version.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Paul, I was just looking through some of my earliest contributions for fun, and was surprised at how many times your name came up. I was truly clueless, and you were probably as patient as anyone could have been, and for that I realized I've never thanked you. Thanks to you, I try to return the favor to new users with whom I interact by embodying the same patience (admittedly though, I am not always as successful). You planted a seed in me, and did not give up on me. For that, I award you the guidance barnstar and sincerely thank you for yoru assistance. Forever grateful, Go Phightins! 02:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar? For me? Cool! This is ridiculous, everybody over to my place! Party time! And thank you much!--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Should I bring the booze!? NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 17:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

CompDude13[edit]

He's a serial sock under community ban and I've been reverting his edits on sight. (That's okay for banned users, and he's so prolific there's no way to assess every edit.) If you ever want to restore anything else of his that I've reverted, it'll be fine with me! JohnInDC (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

A friend of mine is fond of saying, "Even a blind squirrel can find a nut" -- the color changes for Pitt State are, to my untrained eye, much more accurate than the originals I selected. Thanks for heads-up thought!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I was going to quote that exact aphorism but was typing on an iPad and didn't want to peck out an explanation that made it clear I wasn't somehow talking about you! Thanks for supplying it for me - JohnInDC (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

A question about the notability of E. R. Cowell[edit]

Good afternoon, Paulmcdonald. I see that you created the article for the college football coach, E. R. Cowell. Since you are the author of the article and since you are clearly an expert on the topic of college football, could you explain to me why Mr. Cowell is notable enough to be the subject of his own article? As of writing this, there are three reliable sources used as references for the article but none of them included non-trivial information about Mr. Cowell. It appears to me that this information would be more useful in the List of Sterling Warriors head football coaches and does not warrant its own article. Do you agree? Kind regards, Matt (talk) 02:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Generally we have found that head college football coaches at any level turn out to be notable, as outlined at the essay WP:CFBCOACH. But to provide a bit more detail, at the time (1926-1927) there were no "divisions" in sports so he was the head coach of a team at the highest level of college football. Further, the NFL was just in its infancy and was little more than a regional initiative. This was without a doubt the highest level of the expression of the sport at the time. It seems the server is down at the College Football Data Warehouse, so I don't have much reference at this moment to look up the teams that they played those years. It's likely that they played games against Kansas State Wildcats, Kansas Jayhawks, and possibly Oklahoma Sooners. College football was a much different beast back then.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Good morning, Paulmcdonald. Thanks for getting back to me. And thank you for directing me to the essay about the notability of college football coaches. I'm going to read through various opinions about notability mentioned in the supplied pages and related AfD discussions and will/might get back to you. I can see that you are a strong proponent of the idea that all of these coaches are notable, but I am not convinced that these people meet the standard of having "significant coverage" about them. As I mentioned earlier, the only references of Mr. Cowell are trivial inclusions in statistical lists. I would not consider that to be "significant coverage". That being said, keep up the good work. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 21:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You are welcome. I take no offense to notability discussions on articles I create. If you disagree with me, be bold and say so. I don't bite. I might snark from time to time... it's a personal fault...--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
The more I read, the more I disagree with you about the notability of Mr. Cowell. Haha. Is there any verifiable, non-trivial information about Mr. Cowell which is not already included in the list of Sterling Warriors head football coaches? Mr. Cowell does not appear to meet the standards of WP:GNG or WP:NSPORT. I should also mention that the reason why I started looking at Mr. Cowell's article was that I was trying to verify whether he was a living person for the sake of WP:BLP standards. Given the lack of non-trivial sources on the article, I still have not been able to confirm whether Mr. Cowell is alive or not. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You may well end up being right, who knows? I've found that few college football coaches end up being truly not worthy of an article, and then we just put their details in the list article. It's been an adventure--I've had two college football coaches that turned out to be governors of their state. As the CFB team collaborates, we uncover more details--especially stuff that can't be found on the web. For example, Bennie Owen coached at nearby Bethany college and went on to the University of Oklahoma--but at the time (early 1900s), no one could figure out why he left a great program like Bethany to go to a crummy program like OU. Obviously the landscape has changed some!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Good morning, Paulmcdonald. I certainly agree that there are some college football coaches who are notable. Mr. Owen is an excellent example. Mr. Owen appears to have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. I don't believe that this is true of Mr. Cowell. Would you object to me nominating E. R. Cowell for deletion? Kind regards, Matt (talk) 22:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I'd never mind it. I'd ask for a couple more days to run some research tho. Searching will get easier when I can reach the school and get his first name. If you tag it for notability first, that would be super-great--and then check again in a few days. If you PROD the deletion, I'll object (and that's fine, that's procedure). And if you want to go to AFD, that's reasonable as well. Do whatever you think is best. That's the way it's supposed to work!--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:34, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Good morning, Paulmcdonald. I tagged the article with {{notability|sports}} on Monday 8 April ([1]). I have no intention of nominating the article for AfD if you are interested in improving it in the near future. In particular, would you be able to find sources for the dates of birth and death of Mr. Cowell (and any other college football coaches, if possible)? This will allow me to confidently mark these articles as either being biographies of living people or not. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 21:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Just seeing this convo via my watchlist now - @Matt - I usually attempt to flesh out the articles of these coaches whenever I get the time - I enjoy the task of scavenging for info. Sometimes there's a story just waiting to be uncovered via some more thorough research on these coaches and I will definitely have a look regarding Mr. Cowell. You never know what you may find! – Connormah (talk) 02:52, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Though you two have probably noticed by now, I've done a bit of research and have expanded the article. I'm on the lookout for more though, never hurts to have more! It's those initials that leads to the assumption that there's no sourced I'd say - once I have a full name and alma mater, things do tend to look up in the sourcing and expansion aspect. – Connormah (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Destrehan High School football[edit]

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more college football AfDs[edit]

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Have you ever considered...[edit]

Paul, have you ever considered running for adminship? I think you would be a strong administrator; the kind of which we need more. You have a ton of experience at AfD, you are well-versed in our policies, you maintain a calm demeanor, you are helpful, you are a content creator, you have been here for more than six years and have over 30,000 edits, you've never been blocked, you are well-respected within the projects you participate, and the list goes on. I don't know why it took me this long to think of asking you, but I urge you to strongly consider it; I would nominate in a heartbeat as I'm sure would others. Thanks, Go Phightins! 02:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words! I will consider it. What has kept me back in the past is that I have felt that I have not had the time to allocate consistently to the project. I truly appreciate you and your support!--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Even if you aren't always around, you can still pitch in when you are around. A part-time admin is better than nothing :) Go Phightins! 03:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I have written a nomination statement should you decide to accept. Face-smile.svg No rush. Go Phightins! 03:59, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Any thoughts? Go Phightins! 19:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Go ahead and submit the nomination, I would accept it. Thanks for thinking of me!--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
All right. Let her rip! I will link here once I've created it. Go Phightins! 21:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Never mind. Screw the template. Here is the RFA. Once you have accepted, feel free to transclude, and then we are on! Go Phightins! 21:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Where does it get transcluded? I gotta run, can you handle that?--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Sure. Go Phightins! 22:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
      • Yes check.svg Done Good luck! Go Phightins! 22:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
        • So far so good. You are passing with over 90% thus far, so I like your chances, but us sports fans know that jinxing things is not good, so I'll shut up now, :) By the way, you have an email. Go Phightins! 02:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for you note on Talk:List of the largest Protestant churches in the United States. I really don't have the time do the research needed as Many Chrurches of that type don't advertise their numbers. What do you think on my original point that naming it as "Meagchurches" rather than "largest protestant churches" would be better? That would solve the whole issue. >> M.P.Schneider,LC (parlemusfeci) 19:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Always open to ideas! I personally think that the term "megachurch" may have negative connotations to it. Even if it doesn't, defining what is a "megachurch" seems to be somewhat arbitrary. It's certainly not a standard unit of measure. Also the term "megachurch" may be changed and fall out of favor in the indsutry. But if a church chooses not to publish its attendance and/or does not generate publicity through reliable sources, then I don't see how they would get an article in the first place. -- But above all, don't let me slow you down just because we disagree on this one point. I may not have the full understanding that you do!--20:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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No objection. Someone else uploaded another logo that is also non-free. We should pick one and I have no preference.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Trivial point[edit]

In your answer to question 9, you said "I doubt that if you went back to my first 250 AFDs you'd get the same results."

I assume this is missing a "don't".--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Preemptive congratulations[edit]

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You will surely be an administrator in short order. Congratulations on your promotion! Hope you find the tools handy. =) Kurtis (talk) 23:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Was coming here to say the same as it is just a matter of time now. Use the tools in good health. If I can help explain any of the shiny new buttons, feel free to ping me on my talk page. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 01:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Touchdown![edit]

Congratulations on becoming an administrator; I trust that you will put your tools to good use (and be an admin I can bug when I need something done Face-smile.svg). Go Phightins! 00:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't have happened without you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Your RFA[edit]

Hi Paul, I have closed your RFA as successful — you are now an administrator. Please consider the guidance at Wikipedia:New admin school, it'll keep you from ending up here. Good luck! WilliamH (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Congrats, Paul! AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 12:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Congrats! Good to see someone who hasn't fallen into OWN of policy make Admin. Never be afraid to seek advice, but remember that admins aren't the only ones who know what's going on. Sometimes input from outside the club can be just as valuable (if not more so) than feedback from other Admins. Intothatdarkness 13:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone! I'll be in New Admin School for a while, and I'm never afraid to ask for help!--Paul McDonald (talk)
Just don't order everything on the left side of the menu... I hear the food at Admin School is really awful. Intothatdarkness 15:55, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations on your RFA. Mkdwtalk 17:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations!! --j⚛e deckertalk 18:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Do we have a football team at New Admin School?--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Soccer maybe, but I doubt if they have 'Merican football. Intothatdarkness 19:42, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
The Admin-o-matic 9000
'grats Paul! – Connormah (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Sorry that I missed your RfA, but I would have supported you. Bearian (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Congrats on becoming one. Good luck. World Traveller101 19:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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Help with the NFLPA Game article?[edit]

Hi there Paul, last month you replied to a message over at WP:CFB I'd left asking for some assistance in sorting out what was happening with the NFLPA Game article. After some discussion over at WP:NFL, I think we've figured it out. Just as you suggested, I've posted my recommendations over at Talk:NFLPA Game. If you have a chance, could you take a look at what I've proposed and see what you think? As I noted before, I do have a financial COI here, so if my suggestions look appropriate, I'd appreciate it if you'd consider implementing them. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Ara P.[edit]

Hello PaulMacdonald - Taking you up on your invitation to talk on the Ara Parseghian page, where comments on that topic are more appropriate. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Kansas Jayhawks Football: Head_Coaches[edit]

Could you please lend your opinion to the edits that Eodcarl is attempting to make on Kansas Jayhawks football; Head Coaches section? Thank you. Kmanblue (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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NAIA football season navboxes[edit]

You work a lot on NAIA football articles (mainly Kansas, but still). What are your thoughts on navboxes such as {{2005 NAIA Football Season}}? There are a handful of these, and I was thinking of TfDing them, but I'm not sure if they'd be worth keeping. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

It's a good idea. I've made a few already. I think that we would be more likely to build conference season articles if the templates were made, but I don't think we need to go crazy and make all of them until we have at least one season article for each conference. It might also be a good idea to start up a discussion page for NAIA football at the CFB project.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

A nice bologna sandwich for you![edit]

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Questions for you[edit]

Hi Paul,

I'm chasing down some stuff about the CentralNotice banners, which you said never displayed for you. I have the following questions for you:

  • At Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, do you have "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner" ticked? (It's third from the bottom under ==Browsing==.)
  • In Universal Language Selector, did you pick another language, or are you using English? (It's the gear-shaped icon next to "Languages"; it makes standard parts of the interface, like "Edit", "Talk", "Preferences", "Watchlist", "Contributions", etc., display in whatever language you choose.)
  • Do you have Javascript enabled?
  • Do you remember seeing any banners (fundraising, editor survey, Board member elections) in the last few months?
  • Have you ever (even accidentally or a long time ago) viewed the mobile version from the computer/browser you're currently using? (This may set—or at least did at some points in the past—a cookie to suppress all banners.)

Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Hallo... here's answers:
  • "Supress display of the fundraiser banner" is not checked
  • "Universal Language Selector" shows "English"
  • Javascript is enabled
  • I've seen banners for fundrasing and editor surveys in the past, but I don't recall how recent.
  • I've not viewed the mobile version on this PC or any other that I use to my knowledge.

Hope that helps!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Paul. It helps, but unfortunately in the direction of "ruling out all the easy answers". I appreciate the information. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

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--You are welcome! It's frustrating that some people have an agenda, isn't it?--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Concordia, Kansas[edit]

1) Thanks for the photos, but Wikipedia is not a photo album of everything in a specific city. There are way too many photos in the gallery section for Concordia, Kansas, so I recommend that you thin it down to the most important items and/or best looking photos.

2) Please add "Category:Concordia, Kansas" wiki-links to all of your photos in Wikimedia Commons, so that way they will show up via the link in the "External links" section of Concordia, Kansas, Detroit, Kansas, and photos for other articles that you recently upload. See example at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sbmeirow/HowToUploadPhotosToWikipedia#Example_of_Body_Of_Article_for_photo

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Nomination of Tom Brosius for deletion[edit]

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1996 Texas Tech vs. Kansas State football game[edit]

Paul, is this game really notable enough on its own to warrant its own article? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I think so, but only that it was the first game of the conference history. That gives it some historical significance.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Should we have an article for every first game in conference history? Jweiss11 (talk) 14:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I would be okay with it. First in Big 10, Pac-7, etc... yeah, I could see it. Others would see it as too much.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:58, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
(TPS) In this case I do think it's notable simply because it marked the end of the Big 8 and the beginning of the Big 12. That was a controversial expansion/merger at the time, so it's likely worth noting. Intothatdarkness 14:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Issues on Aaron Jack article[edit]

Paul, what are you talking about? After I was told not to delete I just started adding new material without deleting old material!!! I've done nothing wrong!--unsigned

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Kansas related articles[edit]

Hello. I hope I'm not repeating myself here, as I suspect that you also edit using this IP address: User talk:71.167.157.25. Categories of "People from..." and "Lists of people from..." for Kansas-related articles do not apply to the various pages that you have created and/or edited because the people on those lists do not hail from those places, they simply work there for a time. "People from..." and "Lists of people from..." categories are intended to be for where a person is born or raised unless the person spent a majority of his or her life in that place. Thank you.Hoops gza (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I always try to remember to sign in to edit. I have never consciously edited from IP address.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

No troubles, take care.Hoops gza (talk) 01:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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College football player Prod[edit]

Hi, I wonder if you could look at Hunter Henry. I seconded the Prod purely because its an unreferenced BLP. He does have bio here, so the article doesn't appear to be a hoax. I don't have any experience with this kind of article, nor the time to try to rescue it tonight. I saw your name on a CFB player AFD, and you seem to be interested in the subject. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 09:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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Response to above[edit]

No objection to removal. I'm sure they've been replaced by better-quality images.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:49, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Elon Phoenix football coach navbox[edit]

Let me know if you ever get to filling in redlinks at Template:Elon Phoenix football coach navbox - I'll be able to add photos and possible DOBs. Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 02:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks like a suitable place for my next efforts!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Another note - I believe Jerry Tolley went on to become the Mayor of Elon (he may still be serving now, in fact)... – Connormah (talk) 02:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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John F. Condon[edit]

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Question[edit]

Hi, I read two articles today which are about two of Swedens most famous "scandal beauties" Carolina Gynning and Linda Thelenius and I had to remove huge parts of the articles that were unsourced or just in bad taste. I will a day or so after New Years Eve take time to re-write and expand those two articles. Do you think it would be possible for me to nominate them for DYK when I have completed the expansions or are the articles out of contention for that? Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 12:53, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with the DYK nominations. However, I don't think there would be a problem if you "nominated" an article in good faith. If it doesn't qualify for one reason or another, the DYK team would figure that out. But I do recommend that you mention all of the details.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:10, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, funny situation. I actually wrote to the wrong Paul on Wikipedia. Did not mean to bother you but I appreciate your answer. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Methodist ministers[edit]

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Speedy_Deletion_of_category_for_Methodist_Ministers. – Fayenatic London 10:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Nobody weighed in with any advice there, so I have started a full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_January_16#Category:Methodist_clergy_by_denomination. Please comment there. – Fayenatic London 19:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Thank you for taking the action. Very civil of you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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NFL Draft section format[edit]

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College football coach stubs[edit]

Paul, I see you're back at stubbing out college football coach bio articles. A few thoughts:

  • For Infobox college coach, it would be great if you could use the clean spacing seen here: Template:Infobox college coach#Empty.
  • I think it's also preferable to code endashes with the simple wiki symbol instead of the html code (–). This also makes the edit view a lot cleaner.
  • The name field in the infobox should display the subject's primary name, that is the article name minus any parenthetical disambiguation. The same is true for tabular lists of coaches, like that found at List of Valparaiso Crusaders head football coaches. We need "Jake Christiansen", not "J. M. "Jake" Christiansen".
  • There's never been any consensus about putting winning percentages in the infobox. I think it's best to leave them out as things can get really cluttered for coaches who worked multiple levels and/or multiple sports.
  • I've gotten feedback from a number of other editors that the phrase "American football coach in the United States" is clunky and redundant. I think we can assume that an American football coach is or was working in the US unless otherwise stated, so "is/was an American football coach.' should suffice.
  • The phase "was the head college football coach for the [X college team]" is clunky. Colleges only play college football. "was the head football coach for the [X college team]" is much better.
  • The compound wiki-linking seen in instances like "Valparaiso Crusaders" is guilty of over-linking. There should be a link to either Valparaiso University or Valparaiso Crusaders football, not both, with the sentence phrased accordingly.
  • I wonder about the value of sentences like "As of the conclusion of the 2013 season, this ranks him #15 at Valparaiso in total wins and #14 at the school in winning percentage (.143)." These facts seem not only trivial, but the entire sentence will go stale and potentially become inaccurate as soon as a year from now. I still come across similar passages that you added years ago talking about " As of the conclusion of the 2007 season".
  • For coaches from the first half of the 20th-century, it's well worth checking to see if they coached other sports. Take Millard Anderson as an example. You can see that he's also listed at Template:Valparaiso Crusaders men's basketball coach navbox and Template:Valparaiso Crusaders baseball coach navbox. Another good place to check for coaching of other sports is here. These navboxes and related categories and basic content ought to be included in an initial stub-out.
  • In general, I think it might be more effective to forgo your standard "Coaching career" section on a stub-out and instead make a more substantive lead section.
  • When you tweak colors to navboxes such as Template:Valparaiso Crusaders football coach navbox, you should do the same for other sports navboxes of the same school so everything stays in sync.
  • In the Persondata table, I don't think it makes sense to have wikilink brackets anywhere since they are not functional. I think titles in the alternative names field like "Coach Anderson" are unnecessary as well.
  • On the talk page for new articles, I don't think we need the talk header banner by default, only when the subject or the discussion there has become contentious. The code "collapsed=no" for WikiProjectBannerShell can be left out. The shell is un-collapsed by default.

Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Great advice! I always take your notes and work to improve the system even more! I'll do my best to incorprate them before moving forward.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Great. Let me know if I can help in any way. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Question about notability[edit]

Hi, I notice that you seem to know a bit about college sports. Would you consider that T. J. Johnson (American football) meets WP:NCOLLATH for his college football career? Hack (talk) 04:25, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

  • In this encyclopedia, I would not. Offensive linemen in college football rarely gain the coverage required to surpass the general notability guideline and I don't see any coverage of note for this player. No question he's a great athlete, but Wikipedia is not an "athletic" encyclopedia. There would be other encyclopedias or online sports almanacs that would welcome an entry on this player. I won't go do it because you approached me (and something about that just doesn't seem fair), but I suspect that the article will get tagged relatively soon.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:30, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

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Mr. Administrator ...[edit]

Hi Paul, I know you don't use the tools much, but if you get a chance, would you mind deleting these four pages from my userspace: User:Go Phightins!/Aryanna Strader User:Go Phightins!/Adopt/Anne9853 User:Go Phightins!/Adopt/Clockery and User:Go Phightins!/Adopt/Pizzamancer? Thanks. Go Phightins! 03:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Done. I feel so "adminstrative-ey"--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:41, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks; I believe the preferred nomenclature is "adminish" :-) Go Phightins! 17:05, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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Arguments to avoid in deletion Discussions XFD[edit]

Look at your calendar, buddy. Smartyllama (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of The Courtland Journal for deletion[edit]

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Top 100 meter times by NFL players‎[edit]

[3] You are not the only person to protest the rushed, baseless and destructive decision by this Hahc21 administrator. You can see my protest ahead of yours was just taken as a personal attack and trashed. Can you say whitewash? I've seen some bad decisions before by other administrators but I think this is the most hasty and ill conceived decision to delete yet. Just a short time before closing and deleting the article, another deletionist challenged finding a source to show relevance of the subject--I added a dozen to the discussion with virtually no response. I consider that response asked and answered. And yet the subject gets deleted. Worse yet, against policy, this admin was counting "votes" (his own term). I don't know what further can be done about a bad administrator like this, but we sure don't need this kind of person around here. This is an embarrassment to wikipedia. Trackinfo (talk) 16:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I disagreed with the closure, but I don't think it was done in bad faith. Maybe in a hurry. I would have closed it No Consensus, but I was already involved. If you want to take it to Deletion Review, that would be the next move. However, it would be best if you remain civil about it. Anger and passion are real things, I get that. But they don't help in saving articles. I would support you on the Deletion Review if you choose to go that direction.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikilinking[edit]

Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia.

I noticed an article you worked on. Just a short note to point out that we don’t normally link:

  • dates
  • years
  • commonly known geographical terms (including well-known country-names), and
  • common terms you’d look up in a dictionary (unless significantly technical).

(This even applies to infoboxes.)

Thanks, and my best wishes.

Tony (talk) 03:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Per "Counting and sorting are not original research"[edit]

Paul, how's it going? Per your essay, Wikipedia:Counting and sorting are not original research, I thought you might like to comment at Talk:Michigan Wolverines football#No-shutout streak. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

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Userbox[edit]

Hello. I saw on your page that you completed additional course work at MWSU. So I thought you might be interested in this. Corkythehornetfan(talk) 23:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Discriminate vs indiscriminate information[edit]

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Haskell football coaching records[edit]

Paul, How's it going? I've filled in some of the blanks in the chronology of coaches for Haskell with the additions of William Henry Dietz and Gus Welch; see Template:Haskell Indian Nations Fighting Indians football coach navbox. Looking at List of Haskell Indian Nations Fighting Indians head football coaches, I can't figure out where you got the won-loss records from. They don't appear to be in any of the cited sources. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 04:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Man that was eons ago I found that stuff... if it's not around, it's probably an old web page that's taken down from the school website.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, Old Man![edit]

Cheers, Old McDonald. I hope it's a good one. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:10, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Stoney, Kansas[edit]

Hi Paul. I searched high and low to find anything about Stoney, Kansas, which you created. According to GNIS, no geographical feature called Stoney currently exists in Kansas and it does not appear on Google Maps. Perhaps it's a ghost town? Anyhow, that article needs some attention.- Gilliam (talk) 06:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Gosh, that was back in 2007 when I created that... My uncle used to be the county sherrif, but I don't think there's a notability guideline for "My uncle used to be the sherrif so it's notable" ...I'll look in some of my off-line sources to see what I can dig up, probably have something reasonable there.--Paul McDonald (talk) 10:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hello. I know that you have at least made some edits to the Emporia State Hornets, and I was wondering what you thought of me merging the article to Emporia State Hornets and Lady Hornets to reflect the name of the women's teams? I created a merge proposal on the talk page, as well. Just wanted at least one opinion. CorkythehornetfanTalk 18:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#An idea that could change HUNDREDS of article names[edit]

Hey, Paul, we need you to chime in on this. I've posted comments to each of these four Requested Move discussions identified on the WP:CFB talk page, by explaining, as clearly and succinctly as I know how, the established consensus naming conventions for college sports articles -- that is the university short name (e.g., "Florida State"), plus the university's varsity team's mascot (e.g., "Seminoles"), yields the sports team name (e.g., "Florida State Seminoles"), which is also the WP:COMMONNAME used by the mainstream media. This should be a slam dunk, but for the fact that these RM discussions have become hopelessly confused as to when it is appropriate to use the "Lady ___" construction in the article titles, and the inexperienced college sports editors who have been participating don't know the origins and reasons for our naming conventions. These discussions are being poked and prodded by a regular participant in WP:MOS and WP:AT to adopt a completely new nomenclature and naming scheme for American college sports articles. Unless more knowledgeable college sports editors participate in these discussions, we could wind up with four horrible precedents that could take months of additional wrangling to correct, leading to the inevitable instability in article titles as less knowledgeable editors start to implement what they perceive to be a new "consensus." Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Next round of proposed CFB "rivalry" articles for AfD review[edit]

@Paulmcdonald: Head's up: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Next round of proposed CFB "rivalry" articles for AfD review. Your input is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Reusing content within Wikipedia[edit]

Hello, Paulmcdonald. :) I see that in October 2013, you merged content from the article South Shore into the article Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association in satisfying consensus of an AFD. While you indicated that it was a merge, I'm afraid that you did not indicate the origin of the text. Content on Wikipedia, like that on most of the web, is not public domain - it is simply liberally relicensed for use. In order to use it elsewhere, even elsewhere on Wikipedia, we must meet the terms of the license, or we forfeit permission to use it. The minimum required attribution is a link to the article from which it was taken. This permits contributors to look at the history of the original article and determine the authorship of the text and keeps the license intact. I have repaired the attribution for the copying at [4], but wanted to let you know about this legal requirement for future use, if you should have occasion to move text from one article to another again. You can read more about the procedures and the reasons they are required at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Please be sure to notify me if you have any questions about this so I'll be sure not to miss it. Thanks! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of 1996 Texas Tech vs. Kansas State football game for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 1996 Texas Tech vs. Kansas State football game is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Want to reconsider this one?[edit]

Hey, Paul, I had this one (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry J. Sanders) watch-listed, but I had not had a chance to do my own BEFORE homework yet. Carrite just linked four or five pretty solid mainstream news articles where Sanders, Jr. is the primary subject, and I thought you would want to look at them. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Inserting comments in the middle of another editor's comments[edit]

Paul, in the AfD for the 1996 Texas Tech vs. Kansas State game, you have inserted two comments in the middle of my multi-paragraph comment (see here). That's really bad form. Please place your comments at the end of mine. Doing otherwise disrupts the flow of my arguments and fractures the larger points that are being made. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

  • All I can say is "woops" and "I apologize" but you did have a big long block. My intent was to keep the responses closer together. Your preference is fine by me (and probably better in many ways).--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • So . . . are you going to move your comments to the end of mine? I took the liberty of moving your comments once, and you put them back in the middle of mine. I don't like to refactor another editor's comments, as that is also bad form, but I do have one final point re ROUTINE, but I can't add it because you have scrambled the thread. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2014 (UTC)