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I like what you're doing with the Connecticut River bridges' navbox. Wish I'd thought of it. - Denimadept (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The Cadiz Record[edit]

Hi Penny. I removed your speedy on The Cadiz Record since it doesn't meet the criteria for a speedy, even though it only has one sentence, it does explain what The Cadiz Record is. But thanks for mentioning it on WP:Journalism and WP:Kentucky. I will try and improve the article a bit, but it might take sometime. Cheers --Patrick (talk) 03:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Tacoma Narrows Split[edit]

Hello Penny, I am doing the Tacoma Narrows Split. It would be nice if you help me updating all the links that refer to the failure of Galloping Gertie as shown in you know changing the [[Tacoma Narrows bridge]] to [[Galloping Gertie | Tacoma Narrows bridge]] Diego Torquemada (talk) 06:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I got them all. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 16:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
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Comment at AFD for SS John Stagg[edit]

I saw your comment at the AFD discussion for SS John Stagg. You noted in your comment that the ship was under the control of the U.S. Navy, which, from what I have seen, I believe to be erroneous. Do you have a source that indicates this? Many thanks in advance. — Bellhalla (talk) 13:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Busan-Geoje Fixed Link[edit]

Updated DYK query On March 1, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Busan-Geoje Fixed Link, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

well done Victuallers (talk) 10:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Suspension bridge articles[edit]

== Input requested ==

Hi, your are listed in WikiProject Bridges and I wondered if you might want to weigh in on a requested move? There is a discussion here Talk:Suspension_bridge_types#Requested_move which results from a previous move. The discussion has major consequences on the content of the main article on suspension bridges? The root question: Is a suspended deck bridge the proper name for a typical suspension bridge? - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 01:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

That question is a red herring, unrelated to the requested move.¢Spender1983 considers them to be related. I grant that the article now at Suspended deck bridge should be moved to Suspended-deck suspension bridge. The requested move however concerns moving Suspension bridge types to Suspension bridge. --Una Smith (talk) 02:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Things were fine for years, just the way they were. The problems and confusion induced are not mine to solve. I suggest that things be reverted to the initial state. - Leonard G. (talk) 16:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I want to thank you for the very considerable effort you are making to polish my Wikipedia contributions to a high gloss. So much attention, from you and from the others you have recruited, is all to the good. --Una Smith (talk) 04:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

An article you contributed to maybe deleted soon: Tools which can help you[edit]

Nice job on adding sources on Metropolitan Travel Survey Archive. This may also help:

Finding sources which mention the topic of this article is the very best way to avoid an article being deleted {{Findsources3}}:

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If the page you edited is deleted, you also have many options available. Good luck! Ikip (talk) 15:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference[edit]

Thank you for the reference to the wonderful Popular Mechanics Sky Ride cover (not to mention your contribution to the discussion about the Sky Ride (talk)). I hadn't seen it before, and now it's my desktop background. Best regards. TransporterMan (talk) 14:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Sky Ride Talk Page - Smoking Gun. Mea culpa and my apologies for putting you through the trouble. TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 16:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the King post page.[edit]

Hi Penny, regarding the King post page. I have added a gallery in an attempt to clarify your sketch showing members in compression and tension. You are right of course but some people take a lot of convincing. Keep up the good work. Cheers Bill. billbeee (talk) 06:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit at Truss bridge[edit]

You can't prove a negative. It's up to you to show that there is a sibling. - Denimadept (talk) 14:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Any fact entered into Wikipedia can be challenged and requested to get a reference. Read my notes inserted into the fact template within the article. I have asked for someone to provide a reference to define ancestor bridge types, sibling/related bridge types and descendent bridge types. (I acknowledge that reference belongs better in the bridge article, but as I haven't found it elsewhere within WP I can ask it everywhere I find it.) I have also asked for a reference which states that there are no sibling/related bridge types to the truss bridge. (Who said 'none' is a valid question.) If the fact that there are "none" cannot be supported by a reliable reference, then the fact needs to be removed from the article.
Bottom line - both positive and negative entries into Wikipedia require references (especially once challenged). - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 02:26, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Difference between cantilever bridge / continuous truss bridges[edit]

Hello Penny, I have see your post on Talk:List of longest cantilever bridges about these two kind of bridges, but I have questions, you say that a cantilever bridge have distinct truss sections that are each statically determinate, so we can only determinate a kind of one bridge by seeing the type of calculations engineers have made, or by seeing the kind of link between spans and support? How can we distinguish for example the San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge (east bridge, there is a photo here who is in the cantilever bridge list compared to the Braga Bridge who is in the truss bridge list ? there are many bridges I can't say which kind they are, thank you, --Glabb (talk) 22:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC) Ps: my french wikipedia page :Utilisateur:Glabb and discussion page :Discussion utilisateur:Glabb

Thank you for your answer, I'll try to find serious references but it's difficult for many of them, the Minato Bridge is describe as the two kind of bridges in many websites. I would like to translate the List of longest continuous truss bridge spans in french and make sure that bridges are correctly divided with the List of longest cantilever bridges, I will search for that. If you want to see, I have worked on the list of longest arch bridges (in french), we have an spreadsheet file for work and it's very easier, I will publish the list of the longest cable-stayed bridge soon too with same modifications. --Glabb (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I haven't account on Bridgeworld ! so as you say, I'll leave it like that. About the arch bridges, we haven't exactly the same definition of this kind of bridge in the english and french wikipedia articles, the french one definied an arch bridge when the bottom of the structural part is curved, although some bridges are classified in several categories (like the Bridge of the America), I'm going to see that with another contributors. Thank you for your advices. --Glabb (talk) 21:05, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Lattice Girder / Braunstone Gate image[edit]

Hi Penny, I have just joined WikiProject Bridges and am working on lattice girder bridges in the UK. I am immediately in trouble with terminology (though I trained as a structural/civil engineer 50 years ago).

I am trying to identify and then illustrate a set of bridges which might be described as 'lattice girder bridges'. (My embryonic article is at List of lattice truss bridges in the United Kingdom - though it probably ought to be in a sandbox). Concentrating solely on the UK, there are numerous examples of what I mean, and Braunstone Gate is not one of them! And I admit that we may face a difficulty as between UK and US usages.

Braunstone Gate looks more like a Truss bridge to me. I therefore have to try and define the differences. This is what I can come up with so far:

In a lattice girder bridge:

the top and bottom stringers are horizontal

there are not generally any vertical members

each diagonal member crosses at least one other diagonal member, thus forming what is in common parlance a 'lattice'

in the the theoretical analysis, the top and bottom stringers are each considered as beams ie they carry bending loads

In a truss bridge:

the top stringer (as at Braunston Gate) may not be horizontal

there will generally be vertical members (though not always: cf Warren Truss)

any intersection between any diagonal and any other vertical or diagonal is incidental

in the theoretical analysis, the top and bottom stringers may be regarded as carrying only axial loads.

I would be interested in your thoughts on this, but in any event I would suggest that there are better illustrations of lattice girder bridges than Braunstone Gate, and I would like to replace that image by another from my own list.

Best Regards. Flying Stag (talk) 16:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your response on this. The tentative definitions I put forward were I suppose predictably a ‘dead-end’, but together they have enabled me to clarify how to proceed with the Wikepedia list I mentioned; the purpose of which is to act as an illustrated ready-reference index to a particular type of UK bridge, viz: a bridge which, by close visual resemblance, is derived from (and may be is) a ‘Town’ truss, although that name appears never to have been used in the UK.

That is where my interest lies, and I don’t want to get side-tracked into seeking references which may or may not support one way or another any particular technical descriptions. This is not only because I don’t have the facilities for such research, but more importantly because other editors seem to have tried, without in fact coming up with anything particularly conclusive, eg Leonard G and Kvetner. The latter in fact ducks the issue in one of his posts on his talk page by using the composite form ‘lattice trusses / girders’!

I think in the end we are in fact agreeing on the theoretical definition: that a truss is determinate (for design purposes, no individual member resists bending/shear) and a girder isn’t. However, in general those definitions are not adhered to in Wikepedia, even in articles in the Bridges Wikiproject. If there is any way of clarifying further, I hope perhaps you will let me know.Flying Stag (talk) 16:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that further reference; and it introduces a further issue, namely the description of the lattice as consisting of 'flat, diagonal bars'. This refers directly to the concept of the 'Town' truss, and UK bridges in the late 19th century include many such examples. However, as flat bars were superseded (again, in the UK) by various forms of angle members, the term 'lattice' seems to have been carried forward pretty well indiscriminately in the general literature. I have yet to establish whether the technical literature is any more discriminating, but I rather doubt it! Flying Stag (talk) 12:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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