User talk:Penwhale

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If you're writing me a comment about an RfAr request or case that I'm acting as a clerk on, click here. I do move comments around when I see fit.

RfAr related archives: March 2007 April/May 2007 June/July 2007 August/September 2007 October 2007 - February 2008 March 2008 - ? ? - June 2011 July 2011 - December 2013

WP:RfAr related[edit]

Gun control[edit]

Hi Penwhale. User:Hypocrit submitted evidence to the gun control Arbcom case alleging that User:North8000 violated his topic ban. However, the alleged violation does not directly relate to gun control, and therefore may be ignored by the committee. Should I submit this evidence to Arbcom/enforcement? The reason I ask (rather than awaiting the outcome of the case) is that there is the possibility that I may be given an interaction ban with the accused. If that happened, I don't know whether I would be permitted to submit evidence of sanction violation on the user. Thanks! — goethean 15:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Please actually pay attention to the correct name of the user you're talking about ^^;... But yes, if you think the violation of the TBAN is not related to the case proper, file the enforcement request. However, I would say that @Hipocrite: should know about this too. (And I have used the {{ping}} template to alert him of this conversation. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 03:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I noted you are the clerk on the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control case. What is the status of that case? I had seen a date on the main page that the "Proposed decision" would be out on 12 Feb, but I'm guessing that is merely a target? I'm not familiar with how arbitration proceedings on Wikipedia work, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Mvialt (talk) 16:11, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

  • It is a "target date"; remember that unlike the real world, Arbitrators are still volunteers and therefore sometimes things in the real world do get in the way. That being said, I will check up with the arbitrators and see what the status of the proposed decision is. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 02:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • @Mvialt: For the record the arbitrators have mentioned on the workshop talk page that PD is forth coming. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 02:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

AE action for Urartu TH[edit]

Hello, Penwhale. I was a party to an AE action [1], where you have closed the discussion by noting that "Urartu TH (talk · contribs) blocked by Sandstein for WP:NPA/WP:AGF issues separate from original request which was not actionable. - Penwhale".

I know that there generally exists a process by which one may appeal a block due to an Arbitration enforcement violation, but what about this type of block? As you noted, I did not violate the Arbitration decision, but rather--according to Sandstein--made remarks that violated WP:NPA/WP:AGF. I disagree with Sandstein and would like to appeal. Thank you.--Urartu TH (talk) 13:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

  • For the record, the fact that you are able to post here means that the block he put on you already expired (and therefore an appeal of the block is now moot). Most blocks that aren't associated with AE are generally appealed on the talk page of the blocked user while they were blocked (so in this case while you were blocked) using the {{unblock}} template. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 15:16, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Of course, I understand all that. But I believe that the block itself was an overreach and an abuse of discretion. On principle, I'd like this to be noted somehow. My concerns were ignored and without warning I was unduly blocked.--Urartu TH (talk) 21:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Hmm. I think you should probably use WP:ANI, as I didn't really look at the request (I merely closed it since it seems like it was not going anywhere). - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 01:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Gun control[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if you could ask editors to tone down the personal attacks against me.[2][3][4][5][6] Thanks! — goethean 19:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Abortion RfAr question[edit]

Am I still topic-banned from abortion related articles? Haymaker (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Haymaker (talk) 06:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Other stuff[edit]

Thank You[edit]

Thank you for your coaching on diffs. I need to learn and use that method and tool. I'll keep you examples ready. It seems I did it wrong for this time so I hope I don't make anybody mad or make more work for the arbs. If what I added gets discounted, I'll learn my lesson. I just hope the hammer doesn't fall on me. Now I'm at Arbcom.....not where I want to spend time as a "party". I think I need to go edit more mundane topics and tread very carefully here. -Justanonymous (talk) 03:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

  • No, it's okay. Diffs are a way of life on noticeboards, as reproducing them verbotim is not a good idea. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 04:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I think I'm onto it. With the extension, I had time to bundle some of the comments into diffs but left the more important stuff inline (not accusatory, just examples) . Got under 1,000. Thank you much! In the end, to me it's about creating the right environment to keep and tolerate bright established editors who have some eccentricities and also attract new editors...tough balance. We'll see what arbcom thinks and whether they retire me really early.-Justanonymous (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Please look again[edit]

Hi Sir. With regard to [7]. That 19th century edit was not made by me ! that was made by a different editor, please look again [8] Slovenski Volk (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Saturday: NYC Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon[edit]

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I hope you know that Sandstein abused a rule that allows Admins to alter bans to make it so that I can only appeal this ban once every 6 months, and get blocked if otherwise. Please consider how long I will be banned if it's not lifted now. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

  • This conversation is not suitable on my talk page; please stay on course on WP:AE. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 05:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration request motion passed[edit]

An Arbitration Clarification request motion passed. You contributed to the discussion (or are on the committee or a clerk)

The motion reads as follows:

  • By way of clarification, the formal warning issued by Kevin Gorman was out of process and therefore has no effect. The provisions of WP:BLPBAN will be reviewed by the Arbitration Committee and where necessary updated.

For the Arbitration Committee, --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi Penwhale,

This new user is socking with other accounts (User:Rectal corrosion and User:Cúntstructive cúntributor) and engaged in personal attacks. I am One of Many (talk) 00:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3[edit]

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Request for amendment closed without action[edit]

The request for amendment relating to the Race and intelligence case has been archived without action

The original discussion can be found here For the Arbitration Committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 12:23, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


There is a topic at ANI that relates to Baseball Bug's topic ban that he would like addressed, thanks!. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The above editor, who thinks that what I was topic-banned for a year ago is no big deal currently, alleges canvassing. I have notified a grand total of three editors who were involved in that discussion - two (including you) who implemented the ban, and one who was the subject of it. A pretty small canvass, and fairly balanced at that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:09, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I just saw your notice on my talk page. The original topic ban was based on a lie, and the current threat to block me is likewise based on a lie. I have nowhere to go with this. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, having completed my two-week block a few days ago, I would now like your advice on how to ask for a change or dropping of the part of the topic ban that has to do with transgender. It's not something I edit about very often, or even hardly at all, but I don't like being labeled a bigot. The other part of the topic ban, about national security and such, can stay, as I am very unlikely to want to edit on that topic anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I can't figure out how to construct it. What I would really like is for the interaction bans to be lifted, as they are currently not being enforced anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:33, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  • You need any particular help constructing the amendment request? Look at the one I filed related to a different issue, and change the contents accordingly. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 03:07, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up to your AE comment[edit]

Do you have any further opinion to offer at WP:AE#WarKosign? Your last comment was August 31. I am planning to close this as no action but would hesitate if there is a net majority for a topic ban. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


Henry, as a brand spankin' new 20-year-old administrator, you decided it would be OK to defame me at the top of each Wikipedia article concerning Waldorf Education. Have you gained any wisdom in all these years that might suggest this is something you shouldn't do to people? I understand you've been to college since then. Maybe you're a little wiser now. Maybe not. I don't think you fully realize the harm you have done here. It is literally defamation since HGilbert has posted my full name here. Do you understand where I'm going with this? I think you should remove that template. What do you think? Pete K2605:E000:24C0:E400:AC7C:8F4D:6D79:A689 (talk) 14:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I suggested removing the templates a while back, which was clearly a mistake. Your continued disruption here has, if anything, only hurt your cause. a13ean (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Disruption? I posted on the talk pages a couple of times. No disruption. You can't stand that your editors have a COI and I keep pointing it out. I think there may be a legal issue here. You can't use Wikipedia to defame people like this. I'm asking Penwhale to take care of it. Otherwise, expect more problems. 2605:E000:24C0:E400:9820:7755:25C7:7F34 (talk) 00:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
The presence or absence of that template isn't going to change whether or not I post on those pages to complain of COI. Why do you think it would? 2605:E000:24C0:E400:9820:7755:25C7:7F34 (talk) 00:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Henry, you get that you are an individual - and I know your full name. Wikipedia may ban me (who cares), but I can still sue YOU for defaming me all these years. Just remove the template... don't be an idiot. 2605:E000:24C0:E400:9820:7755:25C7:7F34 (talk) 00:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I can do anything I like. Please don't try to tell me what to do. You can ban my IP address. That's it. I don't want to edit Wikipedia - I want you to take my name off the page. You can do it nicely or I CAN TAKE YOU TO COURT AND SUE YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL - and I'm not about to apologize to you for telling you my rights under the law. You have no power outside of Wikipedia. Do you think Wikipedia is going to provide you with legal protection. Do you still go to college? Do you still have professors? This is not about writing an article about me - it's about using a label to DEFAME me. You, Henry (and I know that's not your given name) don't have the right to do this to me. Wikipedia doesn't give you that right. You, an individual, are breaking the REAL law, not Wiki law. You guys are trying to scare me with Wiki guidelines? You're fuckin' IDIOTS. Do the right thing - stop defaming me on Wikipedia. Ban me NOW! And expect to hear from me again SOON! YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW! You aren't so tough outside of your little world here... remember that!
Pete K, I don't know what the details are of this mess, and to be honest I don't want to know. However, if you're going to make legal threats against another editor, then you'll be blocked for as long as those threats are pending. This is your chance to explain that you chose your words poorly and that you don't actually mean to threaten legal action. Otherwise, I'll have to block you. DS (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Backing up DS. Furthermore this is really hurting your case, which I was rather sympathetic to until this attempt to threaten Penwhale. NativeForeigner Talk 04:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
You'll be sorry you ignored me. 2605:E000:24C0:E400:CD2D:4485:235F:2C19 (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


  • Pete, see this. I made a request to (a) convert your restrictions (which is basically a topic ban) into a de facto one so that (b) the restriction could be logged here rather than on Talk:Waldorf education, just as if the case is decided today. There will be a log of the restrictions somewhere - that is as much as I can do for you. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 13:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Despite all the ranting and legal threats, he does have a point that Hgilbert effectively doxed him by linking to an off-site page. To the best of my knowledge, he has never posted his own full name here (unlike HGilbert) although first name-last initial is not the greatest choice for someone wanting to stay anonymous. a13ean (talk) 17:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't believe I have ever posted my true name on Wikipedia. Discussions around this arose through Pete K posting this. Am I not remembering something? HGilbert (talk) 16:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
The question, then, is for Hgilbert to tell us how he got that information. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 19:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PeteK advertised himself as the author of these edits and as the banned editor in question on a yahoo group posting, identifying me by name therein as well. All I did was refer the admins discussing possible sockpuppetry by the user in question to his own very public posting in which he doxed himself (if that is the right term). He was in fact using IP socks to circumvent the ban and provided his own evidence of this.
In other words, the information came from him, not from me. HGilbert (talk) 22:21, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Incidentally, the user in question gave his own full name within Wikipedia on several occasions: HGilbert (talk) 15:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
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  • 3, diff not available to me as this is an archive of an earlier Wikiproject, and I do not know where the original project is located.
  • The edit - located through timestamp - is actually not a deleted page. This would be it. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 15:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I stand corrected. a13ean (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration amendment request you submitted[edit]

Hi Penwhale, this is a courtesy notice to inform you that the motion proposed regarding Pete K has been passed by the Arbitration Committee and the amendment request has been closed and archived. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 08:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Help please[edit]

Would appreciate your input on one of your Arbcom cases at User_talk:Worm_That_Turned#I_know_you.27re_busy.2C_but_.... - Dank (push to talk) 09:04, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I will assume that there is nothing for me to do at this time following Dennis' unhatting - or am I wrong on this? - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 20:47, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
    • Replying there, thanks.- Dank (push to talk) 21:09, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

GGTF proposed decision talk[edit]

Some of the behavior on that page is crossing the line from discussion into intentional goading. Perhaps a reminder from you or an arb is in order?. Sorry for raising this, and thanks in advance for looking into the matter.--Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 00:05, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

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