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My references[edit]

Aust Barnstar[edit]

BoNM - Australia.png The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
for your efforts with Australian articles Gnangarra 00:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar Gnangarra, much appreciated. I have added it to my user page. Peter Campbell 09:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

List of forests[edit]

Needs something far more substantial than just a list - you need to address what significance means and you need to qualify it quite thoroughly - otherwise its is ambiguous and potentially a trainwrek of a list - cheers SatuSuro 02:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC) oops sorry been meaning to get off - and realised my edi summary to this message should have been here - why significant? what significance? you really need to make a table- and key things that have been idnetified in the rfa process - old growth, remnant veg species count, quality, burn history, etc etc - SatuSuro 02:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. The article is a starting point. I was thinking of a table with descriptions of significance, along with body text and sections with additional information. More to follow. Peter Campbell 05:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


otherwise as a list it could be shot down on the question of what significance? - qualifying that word is far more important than the list in a way of thinking about it SatuSuro 07:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Forests of Australia[edit]

Hi, noticed you created the article Forests of Australia. It is an article which describes the forests in the country. Thank you for your efforts. I will like to give a suggestion. A list of forests is what the categories are for. Description of the individual forests should be within the respective articles. May I suggest you that the article to be moved under a new title Wildlife in Australia. It will expand the article, much more valuable information will be within its scope and a separate section will be needed to briefly mention the list of forests in the country. I am waiting for your response. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 14:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the current article is fine. I think an article on Wildlife of Australia would be outrageously broad in scope, especially considering we already have excellent Fauna of Australia and Flora of Australia articles. Hesperian 22:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Otolemur crassicaudatus, thanks for your suggestion. The article will be expanded to include more specific information about forest coverage, trends and data across Australia. The current list is a starting point with summary information about notable forests. By all means proceed with a Wildlife in Australia article, but this is a separate topic as forests include both flora and fauna. As per Hesperian, you would need to make sure it does not duplicate content in the existing fauna and flora articles for Australia. Peter Campbell 22:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

However well intentioned ottos suggestion might have been - just a looking at the australian biota project alone suggests the sophistication of the australian project could not cope with such a simplistic reduction. The map and the elaborations are excellent - keep at it! well done! SatuSuro 01:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Victorian Legislative Council[edit]

Hi Peter - if a MLC resigns from the Upper House, is there a by-election, recount or the political party decides who should take over? 60.242.211.80 (talk) 05:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I am not sure. I don't think there is a by-election. It is either a countback of previous candidates, or the party they belong to "appoints" a replacement - which would not be very democratic. If it is an independent then the second option would not be viable. I will look into into it out of interest. Peter Campbell 07:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Some articles[edit]

Hi Peter, Enjoyed reading User:Peter Campbell/Political activities. These are some Good Articles which relate to energy and environmental issues... Thought you may be interested in them... regards, Johnfos (talk) 04:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Brown Mountain forest[edit]

Updated DYK query On 23 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Brown Mountain forest, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

19:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Kitesurfing locations[edit]

Hi Peter - I think you may need to check the definition of Asia as it is most commonly used (and as it's usually used on Wikipedia) - see Geography of Asia. Certainly Dubai is in the Middle East, but the Middle East is part of Asia (and I've added your new heading as a subheading under Asia. Grutness...wha? 23:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Grutness, I think the common use of "Asia" actually does not cover the Arabian Peninsula, even though it is defined in Wikipedia as part of South West Asia. But I think it ok to leave Dubai/UAE under the middle east sub heanding under Asia. Peter Campbell 02:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments-but most of what I do is actually just trying to keep it alphabetised -other editors do most of the spam removal. Grutness...wha? 23:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Use of File:Mount_Feathertop_and_Razorback.jpg in Politiken[edit]

Hi Peter. Whilst browsing a couple of news websites as part of my daily routine, I stumbled over your image in use on article, on the website of Danish broadsheet newspaper Politiken. Thought you'd like me to pass this on. The story is about the disappearance of Tim Holding (or, specifically, his recovery). Lasse Havelund (p · t · c) 07:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Update: Used on another newspaper's website as well; this time credited properly. ;) Lasse Havelund (p · t · c) 12:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Lasse, thanks for this information, it is much appreciated. It is pleasing to see my photo used appropriately Peter Campbell 20:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


La Ventana[edit]

Some references to the kitesurfing and other activities seem to be needed. DGG ( talk ) 19:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. A lot of content that reads a bit like a holiday brochure has been added to the stub article I created. I suggest it paring it back to NPOV. I will find a reference for the kitesurfing activities. Peter Campbell 04:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

2010 campaign[edit]

Hi - a heads up, there's a discussion regarding your article here. Timeshift (talk) 12:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I will take a look. Peter Campbell 12:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


Efforts and such - a comment[edit]

I actually do understand your point on the other talk page, although I think you may have misjudged me based on my participation in this particular debate. I am and always have been a content-focused editor, and my particular strength is hitting the research/reference libraries for useful info for Wikipedia articles, not just for myself but on request for other editors. However, especially this year, I've been much busier offline than usual so have had to pare back my Wikipedia contributions.

With relation to this debate, there is no way an encyclopaedic campaign article can be done during the campaign. We are not a newswire service. An implicit prerequisite for NPOV is perspective, and perspective is absent in the midst of a campaign. The media reports often reflect the need for copy rather than actual news, and even backgrounder pieces tend to lack research and detail necessary to understand what is happening (I've only done two politics units at uni plus the aforementioned library work and I am forever picking up errors in the media's reportage of politics and sending them in - about 40% get corrected on average). As such, simply editing won't fix the fundamental questions about the article's right to exist - it would be the blind leading the blind. The "somebody will one day fix it" mentality is one of the biggest myths peddled on Wikipedia, it doesn't apply at all to specialist topics, and it's up to those of us who care about the encyclopaedia we've worked so hard to build to protect it from further dents to its integrity. For me, it's not personal, it's driven by a desire to promote Wikimedia in the wider community - bad news travels a lot faster than good, so our weakest efforts get more prominent attention than our strongest. Orderinchaos 02:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. I think it is possible to collect references and statements during a campaign in an article that can become encyclopaedic - particularly as no single news source does this well. I think if this doesn't happen, unpicking the roll out of policies and campaign ups and downs is more difficult to do later. As I have stated, I also don't like trenchant criticism of content and editors rather than just editing the content. Hence my decision to edit elsewhere. By the way, I have preserved this version of Victorian state election campaign, 2006 for posterity and will most likely edit an article on the current federal election there too. Peter Campbell 04:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Australian federal election campaign, 2010 for deletion[edit]

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It seems that many on Wikipedia now seem to be focussed on deleting articles rather then editing them, which seems to me to be a rather negative and counterproductive activity. This article is retained here. Peter Campbell 02:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
One cannot edit what is deemed by the wikipedia community to be unsalvageable. Timeshift (talk) 02:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


That is absolute nonsense. Of course you can. Editing is easy - you can just make the changes required, rather than just criticising and debating. Sorry, I am not playing that game. Peter Campbell 03:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Before and after...[edit]

G'day Peter. This is a long shot, but what are the chances of an after pic of this scene? Hopefully showing plant and tree recovery. –Moondyne 14:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. I will take one when next at Lake Mountain - I will do a training ride up there before Christmas. Peter Campbell 04:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


Melbourne meetup this Saturday[edit]

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Wikipedia Day Melbourne Meetup[edit]

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Thanks for the invitation. Unfortunately, I saw this after the event. Peter Campbell 23:48, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Kiteboarding styles[edit]

Hi, Peter! Please tell, what you think of my proposal on Kiteboarding page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kitesurfing#Additional_section_needed_.22Kiteboarding_styles.22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by VladGenie (talkcontribs) 09:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Peter, one more reply needed. VladGenie (talk) 01:05, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Melbourne meetup[edit]

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Alinta[edit]

There is discussion about the update the Australian energy company Alinta article and its connection to Alinta Energy. Your input to clarify these issue and update these articles is appreciated. Beagel (talk) 09:16, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

July WMAU Melbourne Meetup[edit]

Hi, At last month's June meetup we discussed the idea of setting up a Training Course at a University of the Third Age (U3A) to be held in 2013 and named Becoming a Wikipedia editor. In order to get this course up and running we are calling for volunteers to help develop the idea, and either tutor part of the course, or provide one on one help to students in the class. All local Wikipedians are welcome to discuss this at our 11am meetup to be held this Sunday on 22 July. Please add your name to the attending list at Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 23. Food and beverages are provided. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 02:51, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Meetup invitation: Melbourne 26[edit]

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Proposed deletion of SAP Enterprise Services Architecture[edit]

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Deleted because you say SAP AG not a notable company? I beg to differ. SAP AG is one of the biggest software companies in the world. This deletion is bizarre. Peter Campbell 13:21, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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Fixed, put in correct link Peter Campbell 22:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014[edit]

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Offline wiki[edit]

Dear Mr. Campbell,

I along with some others have recently made a special version of the appropedia, for offline use. This offline wiki (called the AT CoLib) will be ready soon and contains info on appropriate technology, biologic agriculture, ...

The offline wiki can, similar to online wikis, be edited and expanded and add-on info can be shared. I was thinking that the wiki might be of use to your organisation as a tool for education.

If you are intrested in the idea and like to receive the usb stick, then provide the adress I need to sent it to, and confirm that you indeed wish to receive it and I'll send it by post.

KVDP (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)