User talk:Piledhighandeep

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Piledhighandeep! Thank you for your contributions. I am Why should I have a User Name? and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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July 2014[edit]

Information icon Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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Welcome and BRD[edit]

Hallo Piledhighandeep,
and welcome on wikipedia! I know that hurts being reverted on edits that you find correct, but one should not take it personally. This is part of the WP:BRD policy, which I advise you to read. your edits did not get lost anyway, and can be recovered at any time. But you should first try to build Consensus on the discussion page about them! Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 06:17, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I think Piledhighandeep should first review their intentions and decide if they really wish to develop the said article or is interested in it to prove a certain origin. Making a PhD is marvelous (I wish I could complete mine some day) but equally important is academic attitude (objectivity). Regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 06:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
If you look at the German language article, as I suggested, or if you follow the references I cited, you will see that the English language article was lacking in objectivity, besides being clumsily written with bullet points and incomplete sentences. I carefully deleted nothing from the original article, leaving it for the reader to reach their own conclusions. There are interesting arguments for many different origins of this food. An objective article will need to clearly present all widely supported academic arguments with references. Piledhighandeep (talk) 06:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
German is too difficult for me to understand, but I have confidence in the experienced user Alessandro57. On the other hand, although you kindly stick to academic objectivity and evade my question, I also have full confidence in your good-will. Welcome again and enjoy WP. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 07:02, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Single purpose account[edit]

May I possibly ask you why you opened an account here? Only to write about baklava? Ah, sorry you made edits on Byzantian Empire also. Are you here to prove that baklava was invented at the Great Palace of Constantine? I suppose you are making a PhD on Byzantine cuisine, right? Regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 13:19, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I have edited the Lion of Belfort article several times as well. I have been a member for less than 24 hours. How many articles did you edit in your first 4 hours? Piledhighandeep (talk) 18:27, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't remember. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 18:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I just thanked you for your two edits in Lion of Belfort article. Well-done. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

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Devşirme and baklava[edit]

Yes, I was skeptical about devşirme cooks -- and I was wrong, as your Köprülü Mehmed Pasha example shows. However, mentioning devşirme cooks in the baklava article is clearly OR/SYNTH in the absence of a reliable source making this link. Substantively, tell me, do you think that 10-year-old boys would have learned how to make baklava at home and then introduced it to the palace kitchens? --Macrakis (talk) 21:38, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Macrakis, you are being very kind to not remind this user that they are making questions and comments, and although not receiving any positive responses still continuing to edit to their own liking and as if we (the other users) agreed. This is a strange case. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Why should I have a User Name?, chill out! Piledhighandeep (talk) 23:33, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Older devşirme are not unheard of. According to Godfrey Goodwin, as cited on Mimar Sinan, Sinan was 20 or 21 when he was included in the devşirme. The Sinan WP article further states, "Sinan grew up helping his father in his work, and by the time that he was conscripted would have had a good grounding in the practicalities of building work," and cites the Encyclopedia Britannica [1]. Piledhighandeep (talk) 19:53, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear Why and Piled, I have several comments:
  • Why, Piled is new to WP, and I agree that he's started off with some fairly audacious edits. But that's actually pretty common -- I think it's pretty hard to understand the Wikipedia approach without some experience. He has also shown that he's interested in getting good quality evidence and in engaging with other editors. So I hope he'll end up being a judicious and constructive editor.
  • Piled, I think you'll find that I'm pretty impatient with tendentious arguments, where people only bring to the table evidence that supports their position. For that reason, I'm happy to see that you suggested including the Bertrandon quote -- though I don't think it's appropriate, being a primary source.
For both of you, I'd like to emphasize that the history of baklava is not the history of the Turkish or Greek people or culture or civilization. It is the history of one particular dish which is found across the Ottoman world. It is tempting to make it a metaphor for the blending of civilizations (central Asian folded bread meets Greek nuts and honey) or for Ottoman social stratification (indigenous people bring their culture to the palace) or for modern politics (the Ottomans appropriated Armenian / Greek / Arab / ... culture then repressed those same peoples) or for high civilization vs. barbarity (ancient Greek high culture repackaged by barbarous horsemen) or for the genius of one people or another. But that is not useful. We need to work bottom up: what can we determine about baklava itself, without presuming these global narratives. The global narratives should be build from solid bricks; we should not deform the bricks to fit pre-existing narratives. --Macrakis (talk) 02:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I thought that the WP baklava article would be read mostly by generalists, not the specialists, and I thought, from my own experience in talking to others, that the average WP reader will not understand that the undisputed Ottoman palace origin of baklava could still leave it realistically open whether baklava developed from cooks with Turkish cultural roots, since most readers would not realize that other cultural influences in the Ottoman palace kitchens are not outlandish, but in fact equally likely. Right now the Ottoman kitchen origin seems to be getting conflated with the Central Asian thesis. (unsigned contribution presumably by Piledhighandeep)

We cannot try to educate the reader about Ottoman culture -- which certainly incorporated pre-existing traditions in a variety of domains -- in every article that touches the Ottoman world. What we can try to do is incorporate as much specific information about each specific subject as we can. For example, many places in modern Greece and in modern Turkey have had large non-Greek/non-Christian or non-Turkish/non-Muslim populations in the past, and have had population changes (voluntary and involuntary, violent and peaceful) over the years. Let us make sure to document all this in great, NPOV, detail. Let us remember both the Massacre of Tripolitsa and the Massacre of Chios. Let us try to get good, solid sources for both of them, correcting nationalist hyperbole and propaganda on both sides. --Macrakis (talk) 02:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Interesting reference! That does seem like a Reliable Source. That said, I don't think he's really done his homework here -- he says it "looks like the predecessor of modern baklava", but doesn't give any evidence connecting this 1st century BCE salty cheese dish to the sweet nut dish 1300 years later. It would make more sense to connect it to tiropita, which of course also uses filo dough. So I would add it to the baklava article but not emphasize it too much. I am also on the trail of a more complete source, which I will be adding soon. --Macrakis (talk) 19:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)