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Redban comeback?[edit]

Could you take a look at this "new editor" who created the account a few days after Redban filled his unsuccessful unblock request as Redban02, who almost immediately started editing with a Redban-similar path, and confront this edit summary with this, this and this? WP:DUCK? Cavarrone 17:57, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Maybe. I don't have time right now to look into it, try getting an SPI. postdlf (talk) 19:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
For the record, it was. --Cavarrone 17:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Premature AFD closures[edit]

You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elkhan Temirbaev, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Risto Mitrevski, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Michigan Bucks season all before the 7-day AFD period closed. As some people only check nominations weekly, we have not yet had a chance to review. Can you please open them until after the 7-day AFD period passes. Thanks. Nfitz (talk) 15:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

The consensus was clear on all of those, the issues not novel, and the participants well established and familiar with the subjects. What do you think could have changed in just one more day? What was going to be your argument for keeping? postdlf (talk) 16:18, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
WP:AFD clearly states that "Articles listed are normally discussed for at least seven days". There was nothing pressing or unusual about these AFDs. One only had 2 other people comment. You have clearly and unnecessarily violated the guidelines at WP:AFD when there is WP:NORUSH. Please simply reopen the AFDs for further discussion, and kindly please follow guidelines in the future. Because the pages are deleted, I have not had the opportunity to assess whether any argument should be made for keeping, or otherwise. Nfitz (talk) 18:24, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
These football AFDs are very common and routine. You don't need to look at the state of the articles to assess whether the topics pass GNG or the individuals in question played for a fully professional league, which is why they were deleted. If you can establish either of those things, the articles can be recreated notwithstanding the deletion. If you can't establish either, then it would be a complete waste of time to consider it further, and we don't follow process for the sake of process if there's no reason to think anything would change. You could consider that a WP:SNOW close if you like, but a mere day early is not material enough to even bother invoking that IMHO. As you noted, the AFD procedures even say "normally" seven days. postdlf (talk) 18:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
In many football deletions, only 2 commenters leads to an extension of the AFD period, not a SNOW close. Please re-open the AFDs, and please follow procedures properly in the future. Nfitz (talk) 20:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Risto Mitrevski[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Risto Mitrevski. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Nfitz (talk) 22:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brooke Fletcher (2nd nomination)[edit]

I am not objecting to the close of this AfD, but feel merge would have been a better option (which no one suggested, so obviously it wasn't going to be closed that way). Would you object to me restoring the page, performing the merge, and turnign it into a redirect? --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Merging what content to what article? postdlf (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Obviously the content from Brooke Fletcher would be the source. The target would be Miss Georgia USA, sorry I left that part out initially. It is my intention to merge many of these not-notable/barely notable Miss USA contestants in a similar fashion. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
But what content from Brooke Fletcher? Your target has over 50 entries in a formatted table, so obviously you're not going to dump the whole article as it stood in there. I'd be able to better answer if I could imagine what the end result would look like. And it might be seen by some as an endrun around the AFD if you essentially recreate the individual winner articles within each pageant title's article. I don't particularly care, but I think you're taking your chances at pissing other people off and generating drama without first getting some consensus from other editors on how to handle that content, indeed if it should be expanded for each entry beyond the "notes" column currently in the title article. You don't need anyone's permission to create a redirect, of course. postdlf (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
At least one of these (Carrie Lee), explicitly closed as a merge. I'll start with that one to give some idea of what I envision and get back to you. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
My intent is more to caution you about backlash; I'm not planning to intervene in the pageant title article to "enforce" my close or whatnot regardless of what you do. Good luck. postdlf (talk) 23:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Another user modified my !vote in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Queer theology[edit]

I completely agree with your closure but I was disturbed to see that a different IP editor had modified my !vote per this diff. If there is anything you can do to correct the record and/or admonish the vandal I would greatly appreciate it. (talk) 00:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Done. I thought something was fishy, though I hadn't seen the history or prior versions; I just assumed it was sockpuppetry. If you register an account, you'll be able to keep such pages on a watchlist so you'll be quicker to identify such vandalism when it happens. Cheers, postdlf (talk) 00:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. (talk) 00:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Cornwall Domesday Book tenants-in-chief[edit]

As Cornwall Domesday Book tenants-in-chief was included in the same AfD as Devon Domesday Book tenants-in-chief could you please remove the deletion notice there.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 10:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

The Unofficial Guides to Medicine[edit]

Dear Sir/Madame. I completely support your decision to delete my article The Unofficial Guides to Medicine, and understand that it has been written in an inappropriate manner for Wikipedia. I am fully committed to a substancial rewrite, so that it is unrecognisable from the origional. However, I no longer have access to the original article, and i'd really value this being moved back to my draft folder, so that i can use at least some of the references for notibility as a starting point. Really hope you can facilitate this, and then i'll take my time over a few months to get the article right for wikipedia needs.

Thank you in advance for your help, best wishes (ZeshanQureshi (talk) 14:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC))

Links, please. postdlf (talk) 19:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
On behalf of ZushanQureshi, I am adding the links. Undelete The Unofficial Guides to Medicine, which was deleted by an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Unofficial Guides to Medicine. And then move it to Draft:The Unofficial Guides to Medicine for improvement. - Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Content temporarily posted at User:ZeshanQureshi/temp so you can retrieve your references. I will delete it on March 1. postdlf (talk) 15:06, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Question about deletion of lists[edit]

Hi, you just deleted a list about sex scandals. As discussed at BLPN here, there's a bunch of similar lists that ought to be deleted for virtually the same reasons. Do they each require a separate AfD, or can they be grouped in a single AfD, or a single request for speedy deletion? Thanks for any advice.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how those are necessarily similar at all. The AFD I just closed was basically just a collection of news reports of alleged bad behavior, with the scandals themselves (if they could even be called that) not individually notable. The list of U.S. federal polticial scandals, for example, obviously differs on that point. So see what others say at BLPN about your comment there before you nominate anything, and then individual nominations would be the way to go (if at all) because their content and merits vary. postdlf (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the feedback.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:40, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


How does one go about requesting/setting up a deletion sorting list (e.g., Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sportspeople) for a new topic area? I would like to set up a new deletion sort list for swimming. Please let me know. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I've never done it. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting would seem to be a good place to ask. postdlf (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, PDLF. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Page[edit]

01:23, 9 August 2014 Rjd0060 (talk | contribs) deleted page Alpha Sigma Rho (Expired PROD, concern was: Can't find that this meets WP:NOTABILITY. Deleted at AfD in 2011.) In regards to this deletion, I am trying to get this deletion removed. The other page created beforehand lacked sources. I would like to recreate the page with valid and credible sources. ChoklatGeisha (talk) 03:42, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe my Article was notable enough this time[edit]

Hello. I believe my Article was notable enough this time however it is deleted without giving me any satisfactory explanation. The procedure i have followed: Make draft, join chat and spend 1 whole day to edit and compose excellent article based on suggestion and edits by experts at the chat, submit draft, draft accepted, draft reviewed and edited by WikiProject_Video_games editor and completely published. Then i ask chat again about isn’t this too much edit? then primefac opens speedy delete then it is deleted without giving me any explanation in matter of minutes. If you check the issue i appreciate ty very much : . And there were not any discussion it was deleted immediately. One more notice: I checked same genre games articles and majority of them have way more less authority references and even some have 0 references. Thank you very much for your help. OnlineGamesExpert (talk) 12:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I was not the deleting admin; you'll need to discuss it with them and if not satisfied look into WP:Deletion review. postdlf (talk) 13:34, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Another AFD close question[edit]

User:postdlf I am asking you to re-instate the deleted article List of State and local sex scandals in the United States, for two reasons.

First, review time was too short. The article was deleted after only 7 days of discussion. I believe I read that article deletion was an action of last resort. I note that a recent RfC at the companion list List of Political Scandals in the United States took two months to resolve. I would like to have commented on this case, but couldn’t.

Second, a History of long term harassment There are now six spinoffs of the original 2004 article List of Federal political scandals of the United States each subdividing and expanding the original subject. List of Federal political scandals of the United States was already nominated for deletion in 26 November 2010. The result of the discussion was delete, which was overturned at DRV. Note that an editor named Collect was active in that discussion and had voted to delete.

Two years later, on 8 August 2012 at a companion to the original, List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes, an RfC was begun by Collect which, by redefining the word ‘politician’ would have halved the scope of the article. Administrator User:Jc37 ruled no consensus was reached.

About two years later, on 7 February 2015 another RfC at List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes was again begun by Collect which, (using different terms) by redefining the word ‘politician’ would have again, halved the scope of the article. Administrator User:AlbinoFerret ruled no consensus was reached.

What also may be pertinent is a very long discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Collect and Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Collect and others/Evidence which included charges of contentious editing and wikilawyering and puppetry. I couldn’t follow all of it, but I did find he was blocked as recently as 2 March 2015 for edit warring. (He has quite a history.) Yet Collect himself has not weighed in on this particular call for deletion.

I also find it interesting that after a six months hiatus, Anythingyouwant suddenly springs back to life and immediately nominates two political articles for deletion. I am no expert on puppets, but I do not think this is a coincidence. Puppets have been noted in all of these discussions, but please note the lack of civility, argumentative style and similar points made by the editors calling for deletion.

If you cannot in good conscious restore the article, or pass it along for further review, could you place a copy of it on my user page? Perhaps it can be rewritten. Polarpark (talk) 18:21, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Polarpark Just a short note, I am not an admin. Closing an RFC does not always require an admin, but an experienced, uninvolved editor. AlbinoFerret 18:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Polarpark, it is not puppetry, and is just a coincidence (a very minor one at that). But I have been sanctioned for less, so you have that going for you.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Do I send this to deletion review then?Polarpark (talk) 18:40, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I have no opinion on the deletion review, but if you do, remove the admin from next to my name please, in fact, please strike it here. AlbinoFerret 18:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I see no basis for me "reinstating" an article that was deleted pursuant to a unanimous and well-participated AFD, which honestly could have been WP:SNOW-closed within a few days but was left open for the standard seven. I could not have closed that AFD any other way. I don't see how comparisons with those other lists should have dictated a different result here (see, if nothing else, WP:OTHERSTUFF), nor do I understand why you are going on at length about an editor who didn't even participate in this AFD. If you do try WP:DRV, you should better focus your thoughts and argument, avoid unnecessary (and honestly confusing) mudslinging, and do take the time to provide the right link to the deleted page and its AFD. Also, omitting "user:" from usernames makes the wikilinks link to article space instead. postdlf (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

==Deletion review for List of state and local political scandals of the united states==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of state and local political scandals of the united states. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.Polarpark (talk) 21:26, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Bahaman caracara[edit]

Hi Postdlf: Back in 2010, you created the article Bahaman caracara, citing a National Geographic article. I've just checked the article (trying to resolve a citation issue that showed up on the WP:BIRDS cleanup list), and discovered there is no reference to this species in it. I guess I'm going to remove the citation unless you can clarify where in it you found the information; here's a link to the online version — where Todhunter shows as author, not editor, and the two authors you named aren't even listed! Not sure what happened there... Help!  :) MeegsC (talk) 19:27, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

You've apparently missed that the citation says "insert", though you may have been confused by the trouble I had with the citation template displaying the right information, which made only the title of the parent article ("Deep Dark Secrets") display, not the title of the insert ("Blue Holes of the Bahamas") (so screw the template). In any event, the source is the fold-out insert included in the print version, which also has its own separate credits. postdlf (talk) 19:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Only child list[edit]

Hey Postdlf. No disrespect to you. It seems like I caused our comments to turn into a soapbox. I'm sorry, I didn't mean for that to happen. No hard feelings, I hope. Cheers. WACGuy (talk) 02:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

List of Caribbean reptiles and amphibians[edit]

Postdff...I split reptiles and amphibians Saint Lucia because the higher classes should have their respective pages for each political jurisdiction rather than have them lumped together. WP:Split does say to be bold. You are correct I should have cited the WP:Split properly, and should have kept the article with the more content in place, copying the lesser of the 2 content pieces, but the 20 or so articles should be split for consistency........I don't plan on creating articles beyond what is already established under reptiles and amphibians ....BTW, the Bahaman caracara article is doing just fine with a very little bit of content......I'd like to split the 20 articles following WP:Split procedures being bold if you have no objectionsPvmoutside (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


There are two odd, very contrasting, messages about a deletion discussion (or two of them?) at Talk:CipherCloud. It seems a decision was made to delete it, but it is still up. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:54, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I have no memory of it, but from reading the linked AFD discussions it seems it was deleted under the first AFD as promotional with no indication of notability. The article was shortly recreated in a form that was different enough that it wasn't tagged for speedy deletion, but instead listed again at AFD. The second discussion found that notability was established, so it was kept. postdlf (talk) 13:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Why was the article "Seth Goldman (Businessman)" deleted[edit]

Can you please offer an explanation as to why the article on Seth Goldman, Honest Tea co-founder and TeaEO, was deleted? Feels unwarranted especially since he is a NY Times Best-Selling Author, creator of a $100M+ business and a leader/innovator within the organic food and beverage space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReviewingEditor (talkcontribs) 17:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

If you were able to find that I was the one who deleted it, then you were able to find the link to the deletion discussion. Read that through, including any linked guidelines or policies, and then provide the proper links here if you want me to explain anything, as I'm not going to root around to find out whatever it is you want me to look at. postdlf (talk) 18:11, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
You will find the answer at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Seth_Goldman_(businessman). There are instructions there about what to do if you disagree with the deletion. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Page deletion[edit]

Hi there,

I'm wondering why the page about me was deleted?

Miracle of Sound is a hugely successful music project with over 60 million Youtube views and numerous chart appearances including a number one album on the itunes metal chart. I have also composed the credits song for the videogame Wasteland 2 (Proof: which for some reason was also removed from their Wiki page. I don't understand what constitutes 'Important or significant' to Wikipedia, the Miracle of Sound project has far more commercial and cultural success than hundreds of the bands/people on Wikipedia. What exactly are the criteria for being relevant?

Is it because I am not on a record label? This is by choice and should not ever influence an artist's cultural relevance.

Here are some proof articles. I would have added them for proof but I'm not allowed edit my own page or influence it.

Was there a mistake here? Some clarity about the rules would be much appreciated

Thanks for your time

Gav — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miracleofsound (talkcontribs) 19:51, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gavin Dunne (2nd nomination), including the guideline and policy links used in that discussion. postdlf (talk) 19:57, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of Seth Goldman (Businessman) page[edit]

Mr. Goldman is a NY Times Bestselling author (, board member of the American Beverage Association ( and a known and respected leader within the beverage industry ( Because of these accomplishments it is my recommendation that his original entry be reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReviewingEditor (talkcontribs) 14:09, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

N (singer) article / Cha Hakyeon article deletion[edit]

I created the Cha Hakyeon article (and yes, the same person as N (singer)) and the article was deleted as per speedy deletion criterion G4. Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. I was told to contact the admin who closed the discussion of the first article, so here I am. The previous deletion discussion stated that, "I don't see any reason why this person should be notable outside of his own band, VIXX; the only thing he seems to have done by himself is be on TV a few times and guest in a video clip or two." However, this is not the case anymore. First and foremost, he has had the most activities out of all VIXX band members. Also, this statement was made on January 23, 2015. From then on until now, however, Cha Hakyeon has done a lot more. He has been in dramas, a regular cast member of different variety shows, a permanent guest in a radio show, a regular MC in music shows, a DJ of his own radio show and more. All of these clearly negate the "the only thing he seems to have done by himself is be on TV a few times and guest in a video clip or two" claim that was made in the statement above. The claim might have been true then, but it is not applicable anymore now. And as mentioned under G4, "This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies." As the reason for deletion no longer applies, the Cha Hakyeon article should not have been deleted. So I would like to request that this be reversed, either for the N (singer) article or Cha Hakyeon article. Thank you! Seo Yoon-hee (talk) 16:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I see no link to the deletion discussion, nor links to reliable sources establishing anything you're claiming as having changed. Nor do I see a clear claim regarding what notability guideline you think he satisfies now and why. postdlf (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Abe Greenthal Talk page[edit]

See comments on Abe Greenthal Talk page and respond promptly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Posen (talkcontribs) 23:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't had any time for Wikipedia recently. I'll try to take a look in the next week or so. Have you read through WP:RS and WP:OR to get familiar with our policies? postdlf (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

TV schedules[edit]

Hello, since you argued that our articles on Saturday morning TV schedules are not just on an encyclopedic and "highly notable" topic, but that it's "analyzed extensively in media criticism as a topic in and of itself" whether, say, CBS broadcast The Little Mermaid in the spring of 1995 at 8 am or 9:30 AM, or maybe not at all, I'm sure you can help me determine whether the latest edit on that article is a correction of errors that persistend since the article was created back in 2006, or whether it should be reverted, and if so, what version it should be reverted to. The Big Cartoon Database says there were no new episodes in 1995, which would be consistent with "not at all" (though they may have broadcast reruns); so would this source of dubious reliability, while this one of equally dubious reliability argues for 8 AM, which happens to agree with our content at the time when that source was written. The Disney Wiki at Wikia says it aired in 1995, but not at what time slot, and of course it's no more reliable than the other sources. Huon (talk) 11:00, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The TV series article at The Little Mermaid (TV series) says it was broadcast on CBS only through 1994, though it doesn't have a citation at present either. I'm not sure if Big Cartoon Database is considered a RS, ask a relevant Wikiproject for input on that. Otherwise, for something from that time period, you'll likely have to consult print sources at your local library, unless you can luck out with an online Google books view (maybe a book about the Little Mermaid character/franchise or Disney TV shows generally, or an encyclopedia of Saturday morning cartoons) or if you can access contemporary newspapers or trade journals in online archives that are likely behind a pay-wall. But the information is unquestionably out there. postdlf (talk) 14:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


Hello! A couple of weeks ago, you should have received an email from me with a link to a form to complete to receive access to HeinOnline. If you did not receive the email, please let me know. Otherwise, please complete this form as soon as possible so we can process your request. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)