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By any change, are you the same person as Oranjblud (talk · contribs · count)? Just curious. Beagel (talk) 06:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hi. As you have found historic stuff on Sculcoates Union Workhouse leading to Kingston General Hospital, why not try an article on it ? - it would be a useful add. Cheers. Acabashi (talk) 19:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Not one that I'm planning to write an article on I'm afraid. I presume you are in the UK. A library card should give you access to The Times archive and the Gale News Vault, both useful sources for writing articles. Mjroots (talk) 06:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for creating so many nice articles about companies. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 04:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Over-categorization[edit]

Please note that just because someone else hasnt got here earlier on this issue, that it isnt important - you are heavily over-categorizing - specially with categories that are parent categories with child categories - there is stuff at WP:Categories about this - but you really need to lighten up on applying every category in the book to small stubs like the Hull to York line - half of those categories are redundant. Please take this in good faith and think seriously about (a) removing parent categories (b) reading up about categories. satusuro 01:20, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply - maybe you could help by cleaning them up them - too many - with parent cats added where they are not needed... satusuro 03:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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...accusing people of vandalism when their edits do not meet the strict definition of vandalism is a personal attack and can lead to a block. By the way, I clicked one of those supposed references, and it wasn't. Please DISCUSS on the article talkpage in order to obtain consensus for all additions, especially if someone disagrees with the addition/citation the panda ₯’ 21:35, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Did you click on a "dead link" ? Prof.Haddock (talk)

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Hi, if you use {{merge}} on two different articles that you wish to become one, you should ensure that the "Discuss" link points to the same place. At Wincobank railway station, the "Discuss" link points to Talk:Wincobank railway station; whereas at Meadow Hall and Wincobank railway station, the "Discuss" link points to Talk:Meadow Hall and Wincobank railway station. In neither case does it link to a section. The {{merge}} template provides a |discuss= parameter which allows both to be set, as in |discuss=Talk:Wincobank railway station#Merge proposal. Alternatively, if you had used {{merge to}} on one, and {{merge from}} on the other, the "Discuss" links would have pointed to the same page - the talk page for the article which bears the {{merge from}} (but to specify the discussion section you'd still need to use |discuss=Talk:Wincobank railway station#Merge proposal).

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ok thanks. I've actually withdrawn the merge proposal as it seems the two stations are different..
eg this map http://maps.nls.uk/view/100949903#zoom=4&lat=3501&lon=3316&layers=BT (ones north of center, the other just south..) it's "X & Y station" and "Y & X station" existing at the same time.
The articles are still confusing as per naming and history. But I don't have the info right yet to fix them.Prof.Haddock (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, different stations, on different lines which belonged to different companies right down to 1948. Meadow Hall (a.k.a. Meadow Hall and Wincobank) was on the MS&LR/GCR/LNER, whilst Wincobank (a.k.a. Wincobank and Meadow Hall) was on the Midland/LMS. See the 1912 RCH Junction Diagram no. 67, where they are respectively shown as Meadow Hall & Wincobank (on the pink route between Tinsley and Barnsley), and Wincobank & Meadow Hall (on the green route between Sheffiend (Pond Street) and Leeds). --Redrose64 (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway RDT[edit]

As one of the original editors on this diagram, I have to say that a brief look at my copy of Jowett tells me you have a point. I will try to modify the area around Doncaster and think of a way of pointing up the ends of the joint line more clearly. Britmax (talk) 09:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Parisi article[edit]

Hi,

You reverted my edit/s on Parisi (Yorkshire) with the edit summary (rv "The North-south Divide: The Origins of Northern Consciousness in England" is not a reliable pre-history source, the MOS was right before, and google books links for non-free works are of no use). As I explained in my revision The North-south Divide: The Origins of Northern Consciousness in England may be on Google books but it is published by Manchester University Press, official press of said University, and I consider it as RS. Also, your revision removed what was solely formatting to unbundle sources to allow further additions from those sources as refnames. Happy to take this to the RS noticeboard if you still disagree and want broader input.

Cheers, AnonNep (talk) 15:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll reply on the article talk page. Prof.Haddock (talk) 15:54, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Fixed page link, still reverted as it removed existing edits where I only formatted for later additions (will also place on Talk page). AnonNep (talk) 17:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
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Or maybe you could make the effort to try and fill in the gaps yourself? Yes I know its not your responsibility, but surely more productive than littering an article with hatnotes. Just a thought. Bbjet (talk) 21:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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References vs Sources[edit]

I refer to your recent edit at James Oldham (engineer) Please see WP:FNNR, I quote for your convenience

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EWS[edit]

For the record I am not a sock of Special:Contributions/Bbjet, I will leave for you to open a SPI should you feel the need. The article was in need of a copy edit and had some errors, which I notice you have reintroduced, eg the successor to EWS was not North & South, it was the 5 companies that were purchased. D47817 (talk) 23:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Looking more closely, what you have done is reinstate large parts of the article. As it stands, it doesn't flow, and in parts is down right awful. More work required. Good idea getting rid of the fleet table, but the replacement has errors, EWS haven't operated 37s for at least 5 years, and the last 47s were withdrawn in mid-2004. Either way source doesn't appear reliable, think we need to use wnxx or the trade magazines to get anything accurate. D47817 (talk) 23:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Cite was dead, I reactivated job done. As long as it is linked, title given, publisher credited and dated then that's all the reader requires. Cite formatting is a trivial sideshow. D47817 (talk) 14:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if you don't like some of my posts, but this is wiki. Contrary to the assertion, I am here to improve articles, not 'piss off' other editors off. But report if you must. The article needed work, and I think I have contributed, article had 60 cites 24 hours ago, now has 100. D47817 (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Your change to the BBC cite on the Royal Mail cessation doesn't appear to have been actioned correctly, as a red link with 'missing title' has appeared. Can you please amend, I could just reverse but don't want to 'piss around with work that doesn't need improving'. Thank you D47817 (talk) 16:06, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Undiscussed large-scale removal of accessdate=[edit]

Please stop removing accessdate=. This is extremely unhelpful and disruptive to the encyclopaedia. For example [1], statistics get updated over time, and it is necessary to know when they were precisely retrieved. For material such as DB's plan to serve London by ICE, the same page has been repeatedly updated over the last five years with new dates. When hunting for archiveurl= replacements it is necessary to know which is the closest revision of a page to the one the editor original saw, again by going by the accessdate=. I have already noted [2] that the sentence you are basing your disruptive edits on was made by an anonymous IP, without discussion. Other discussions on Template talk:Citation#Date_range_produces_an_error discuss "it would not be appropriate to indicate any date later than the date when the editor was reading it, because we have no idea if the website might be modified after the editor read it so that it no longer supports the statement in the article." similarly indicate the necessity of having accessdate= universal. It is an occasional inconvenience when a new editor does not add a accessdate= but that is nothing compared to the amount of disruption caused by an editor actively removing it when already there. To be clear, it is extremely unhelpful, and disruptive.

I'm sure your fellow editors would be grateful if you could assist in self-reverting the removals going back to whenever this sequence of edits was started. —Sladen (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

No you are just wrong. When a document has been published by a reliable source with a date then that date is all that is needed. For example a book published with a publication date, a newspaper, or newsite, published on a certain date, etc.
The 2001 or 2011 census statistics are not going to be updated ever such as at Kirk Ella and West Ella - because they are fixed in time - they do not need accessdates - because the data should be and is unchanging.Prof.Haddock (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Re- archiveurls - for a published reliable source the publication date is sufficient - if the content of a (dated) source is changing over time then it is mostly likely not a reliable source. All reliable sources note and update their dates when they change content (eg BBC, Times, reuters etc).
I always leave accessdates in when they are necessary - ie for sources that are undated, as you can verify from my edits.Prof.Haddock (talk) 19:34, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


I need to emphasise the 3rd paragraph above - if you are sourcing from a "dated" publication and that publication is changing their content after the publication date they have given - then you have a problem with the source.Prof.Haddock (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
If you read the DB ICE source http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/high-speed/db-puts-london-%E2%80%93-frankfurt-high-speed-plans-on-ice.html - you would see that the cited article covers the entire history of DB's plans for the ICE service .It does not "change over time" as it was published first (and finally) in 2014 and summarises previous developments. Possibly previous versions may have relied on changing sources - but the present version does not.
I appreciate the issue with content that is not stable - but adding accessdates to stable content is completely uneccessary - it is appropriate to label it as "spam" - just because people haven't yet got the idea of what is and is not needed in a citation is not a factor - ie just because other people are doing it wrong is not reason to continue to do so.Prof.Haddock (talk) 19:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on St Pancras railway station. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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You have been reverted by a number of editors. That should be a sign that you are in the minority on this one. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it would appear that this issue needs much wider discussion, possibly by means of a WP:RFC at the template's talk page. As I understand it, one of the reasons is that which I gave above. Mjroots (talk) 20:46, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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This is a totally unwarranted block - I have been applying well established guidlines, and communicating clearly with editors attempting to explain those guildiness - if editors had taken notice of what I had written - which they clearly have not this issue would not have arisen. Prof.Haddock (talk) 21:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Fully warranted. WP:BRD is clear: you make an edit, if it gets reverted, you must discuss and NOT re-make the edit until consensus is reached to include it. Just because you begin the discussion, it doesn't mean you can make the edit. If you had taken notice of the rules, this issue would not have arisen the panda ₯’ 21:18, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Please consider contributing to the discussion at Template talk:Citation#Access date. Again. —Sladen (talk) 07:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
You may remove the block and appeal notices now if you wish. Just to be clear, you were already at a point where a block would have been in order. However I used my discretion to warn you. I only blocked you after you reverted again, and would have been justified in giving a much longer block. You're fairly new here, so I took a more lenient course of action. Mjroots (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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