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2014–15 UEFA Europa League[edit]

On behalf of me, I apologise for removing the warning texts last night. Looks like my mind was somewhere else. ArberoMail

no problem. QED237 (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

2014–15 FC Barcelona season[edit]

For the common wealth of the page the asists table must be included, it's a very important estatistic... Instead of reverting my edit you should make an atempt to consense something whit me, that is to presume good faith, something that you demand on the headlines on this page. I thing we should propose some official source for the assists on the talk page, and those should be the officials web sites of the competition, for example for La Liga we may use: Let me now what you think. --Greetings!!!. Qban Nuvola Cuban flag.svg What's Up? 01:42, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I gave you an answer at your talkpage. QED237 (talk) 15:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


You're simply a vandal. -- (talk) 13:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry but could you please explain why I am a vandal? I just removed unsourced content to a Biography of a living Person. QED237 (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Letter codes in tables[edit]

Hi, I have been working more on the tables and have come to a point were the highlighting is implemented now, the next step would be to add functionality to add the letter codes for qualification (I would only show the ones that would be actually used in the footer). Based on the current list I would propose the following:
(C) = Champion; (R) = Relegated; (P) = Promoted; (E) = Eliminated; (O) = Play-off winner; (A) = Advances to a further round. (Q) = Qualified to the phase indicated; (T) = Qualified, but not yet to the particular phase indicated; (D) = Disqualified.
Which has one letter for all, some shorter text and combines TQ and RQ in one category. Do we need more additional option/other text as possible table entries? (For example "team can reach playoff but not first place" ) CRwikiCA talk 20:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

@CRwikiCA: Hi, already time for next step I see, it goes fast and very well and I like it. About the leeter coding it does noot really matter that much to me, I am used to TQ and RQ, but I guess one letter everywhere is good to. In that way DQ (disquallified) is not to be confused with the other real qualification (godd to not have the Q). Maybe there should be a letter for withdrawn teams (teams who left themselves) like W or does that go under D? I guess if the withdraw they are automatically disqualified and it can be edit warring between W and D.
Regarding "team can reach playoff but not first place" I dont think we need letters for that as there are many possibilites as different tournaments has different rules, but instead do as we currently do in group tables, use different colors and keys for the colors. QED237 (talk) 21:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
@CRwikiCA: Please also take in cosideration that teams can have several of the letters at the same time. They can both be champions and qualify, they can be promoted and qualify, relegated and qualify and so on. QED237 (talk) 21:39, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I was intending to allow a combination of letters (hence the one-letter codes). For withdrawel my idea was to have it blacked out (black1) and listed as withdrawal/thrown out in the qualification column (I will after some next changes show that in the qualification/relegation/promotion column for the Quitters in the example table (dual with being relegated)). Details can always go in a note. So those codes should work out then. I do not know whether different colours for group scenarios would be practical, but having E, T, Q and A might do the trick as well. We can probably iron the details out once it works properly in full and we are ready for actual test cases. CRwikiCA talk 22:50, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
@CRwikiCA: sounds good. I just noted one thing, if a second division team wins a cup and qualifies for Europa League, there could be promotion, qualification and relegation all in same table and column so perhaps also PQR or QPR should be an alternative with text "Promotion, qualification or relegation" or "Qualification, promotion and relegation" should be used? As a side note I have looked in to the vte buttons for templates and it is very complicated, with one templated using a second template, which uses a third template and so on. If you want I can test what I have come up with or otherwise let you know what I have. QED237 (talk) 22:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I haven looked into the vte buttons yes, but it shouldn't be too tricky, because if I am not mistaken the metadata includes the page name. I was thinking to check whether it is a template or not (based on the namespace), and if so add the buttons there. If you have working code, then it would be good to share (although optimally it wouldn't call a template from the Lua Module to get it to work). CRwikiCA talk 23:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@CRwikiCA: I will explain my findings. Step by step:

  1. First in the template header {{Fb cl header navbar}} parameters |template=yes and |name=2014–15 Premier League table (as example) is used.
  2. That header template calls {{tnavbar-header}} (beacuse parameter template is set) with the code
  3. The tnavbar-header is a redirect to {{Navbar-header}} who shows the text Team and calls a new template {{Navbar}} for the vte.
    <div style="text-align:center; position:relative; white-space:nowrap; {{#if:{{{fontcolor|}}}| color:{{{fontcolor}}};}}">{{{1}}}

With parameter 1 is Team from previous call and this is followed by

  | 1 = {{{2<noinclude>|Navbar-header</noinclude>}}}
  | {{#ifeq: {{{plain|}}}
    }} = 1
  | style = position:absolute; right:0; top:0; margin:0 5px;
  | {{#if: {{{fontcolor|}}}
      | fontstyle | NULL }} = color:{{{fontcolor}}};

4. The navbar template then calls adds the vte buttons with so called magic words and {{transclude}} which is a very special template
<includeonly><div class="plainlinks hlist navbar {{#if:{{{mini|}}}|mini}}" style="{{{style|}}}"><!--

--><span style="word-spacing:0;{{{fontstyle|}}}">{{{text|This box:}}} </span>}}<!--

-->{{#if:{{{brackets|}}}|<span style="margin-right:-0.125em;{{{fontstyle|}}}">[</span>}}<!--

--><li class="nv-view">[[{{transclude|{{{1}}}}}|<span title="View this template" <!--

--><li class="nv-talk">[[{{TALKPAGENAME:{{transclude|{{{1}}}}}}}|<span title="Discuss this template" <!--

--><li class="nv-edit">[{{fullurl:{{transclude|{{{1}}}}}|action=edit}} <span title="Edit this template" <!--

-->{{#if:{{{brackets|}}}|<span style="margin-left:-0.125em;{{{fontstyle|}}}">]</span>}}<!--


As I said it is pretty complicated currently but we should be able to sort it out, not sure how LUA handles magicwords like fullurl for the edit. By the way we have not used plain so it gets set to mini. QED237 (talk) 23:47, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I tried but was not very successfull. I can create all the buttons and V T E looks good, but I cant get all wikilinks to work. I have now hardcoded "Template:2014 Allsvenskan table" and Template talk:2014 Allsvenskan table for view and talk and can not get the edit button wo work, it needs the full URL to the page with "action=edit" and I tried following all instructions I could find but it is not working. Instead of non working Magic words I tried what is supposed to replace the magic words, but as I said cant get it to work. Feel free to remove what I have done but thought I should show you. QED237 (talk) 12:30, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I was unable to parse whether it is in a template or not automatically, so I had to introduce a parameter (template_name) to get that to work. I could then call the navbar template from within Lua to create the buttons. (See the one example "In template test" on the User:CRwikiCA/LuaTest page for an example. CRwikiCA talk 17:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@CRwikiCA: Okay great, as long as it is working I am happy. QED237 (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Dual result revisited[edit]

A while ago we discussed the curious case of 2012–13_Premier_League#League_table with relegation and European qualification for one team. We figured that splitting the colour might work, but I am not so sure now that that would be okay per WP:ACCESS, because it might not be right for colourblind people. Would it in your opinion work if it is one line with one colour and just reading something like

Qualification or relegation
17 Sunderland 38 9 12 17 41 54 −13 39
18 Wigan Athletic (R) 38 9 9 20 47 73 −26 36 2013–14 Europa League group stage and Championship 2
19 Reading (R) 38 6 10 22 43 73 −30 28 2013–14 Football League Championship
20 Queens Park Rangers (R) 38 4 13 21 30 60 −30 25

work in your opinion once implemented in Lua? (See the Lua test page for another example actually implemented in Lua) I would otherwise think the code would get too complicated to check for "dual results" (it would add a lot of complexity for something that would rarely be used). CRwikiCA talk 18:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@CRwikiCA: Yes that is okay by me, it would work. What I was planning to ask you about is the colors in the eredivisie sandbox. A first look and I felt the colors were a bit "light" and then I realized blue1 was not used. How are the colors going to be used? Will blue1 always be group stage, blue2 third round, blue3 second round and blue4 first round for all tables? or will it depend on the league and blue1 is the top stage that league can qualify for, blue2 second and so on? I am guessing the second alternative as CL has five different round you may enter in so then green1,2,3,4 and 5 would be needed (currently we have green 1-4). QED237 (talk) 22:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
If you look in the code, you'll see I used blue1 for the group phase, but that is not awarded because the cup final has not been played yet. I would use blue1 for the highest level from that competition and not fix it globally across different leagues. (Technically this might mean blue1 should be used for R3 in the Eredivisie example until the cup final is played, what do you think?) I don't think 5 cup levels are ever going to be needed, so I think we're fine with 4. CRwikiCA talk 20:34, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
@CRwikiCA: Yes, I realised that after thinking about it. Not sure about if we should have blue one as round three and the switch and blue1 suddenly mean group stage. That might confuse readers so I would have left it as it currently is in the sandbox. And yes five levels is and will most likely not be needed. QED237 (talk) 22:00, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it would be too confusing for people, so I will change it to blue1 and blue2 for now, because in theory a lower division team could win the cup. CRwikiCA talk 23:33, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Lua version done[edit]

I have completed the Lua-module Module:Sports table and tested it on the Lua test page, everything seems to work fine (it automatically only shows the letter codes that are use in alphabetical order in the footer, for the letters next to the team it takes the order that is given as input). Of course feel free to check it over and see whether there is anything missing. I would suggest the following course of action:

  1. I will write an extensive documentation, so people can implement this module themselves easily. I would like to ask you after I finish the documentation to carefully proofread it.
  2. Upgrade the module status to Alpha.
  3. Implement this on Wikipedia for a limited number of tables to see how it is going.
  4. Bring it with examples etc to WT:FOOTY for comments and additional input.
  5. Help people with implementing it and extend the number of examples.
  6. After input round on FOOTY, upgrade status to Beta.
  7. Form consensus on WT:FOOTY to depreciate the old multi-template format in favour of the Lua implementation.
  8. If consensus: Roll out this format more widely and put note on old templates that those are depreciated by WP:FOOTY and superseded by the module (with a link to the Module).

How do you feel about this action plan? For step 3, I would suggest testing it on the Dutch football tables for the current season (as I have watchlisted all them anyway and can spot problems) and an additional group stage of something, maybe 2015 UEFA European Under-17 Championship qualifying round? CRwikiCA talk 16:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@CRwikiCA: Already done!? That is great news. When I have the time I will take my sandbox and really try and test it all, trying to "break"/"destroy" the module to see how solid it is and also of I find anything that needs fixing. I am still a bit unsure about some parts, for example looking at {{2014–15 UEFA Champions League Group A}} and how it is used on 2014–15 UEFA Champions League, where the template consists of both table and fixtures and how to implement that, I guess you can call the module inside template and have fixtures as currently done. But the table will be wider with the qr-column and the template may be harder to update.
About the action plan it seems very reasonable, perhaps go to footy before step3, implementing on limited number of tables because resistance at U-17 may occur but looking at the text at alpha, it does not seem necessary so I think it could work anyway. Not exactly sure with what you mean "helping people implementing it", should we say "please create a table as test" and help them doing it? But it sounds like a really good plan. I like it.
As a side note, should this perhaps spread to other projects as well on wikipedia? For example we have same sorts of tables on 2014–15 Champions Hockey League. These tables with borders are well established on wikipedia, but we will see what footy says. QED237 (talk) 20:52, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
It's done now, let me know how your testing ends up. I started a documentation page, so take some inspiration from there as well. I think the module can be part of the template with fixtures as well. The table will be a little wider, but I don't think that's really a problem.
Helping people would more be stating to let me/us know if they run into trouble implementing it, so we can troubleshoot potential problem.
It can be spread to other projects on Wikipedia, but let's get it going at FOOTY first. For ice-hockey we might need an overtime column as well, so we would need to think whether we want a master "sports table" module, so there would not be any forks going. CRwikiCA talk 23:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
I have an idea how to generalize the table, we would probably need to move the module to Module:Sports table or Module:Sport table or something, which of these too do you prefer? CRwikiCA talk 13:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
@CRwikiCA: If I choose it would be Sports with an s, but I am not a genious when it comes to the english language. I am interested in hearing your idea because there are a lot of sports and many different tables out there on wikipedia so a lot needs to be considered. Are you thinking about a parameter for "sport" (example sport=football) and the table gets different depending on sport or are you thinking it would be possible to modify the columns when calling the module? And I am not sure if we need wider consensus probably we do) to implement such module. A consensus over all sports project would be hard but great. It is up to you if you want to try or give it some time at footy first. QED237 (talk) 13:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
My idea is to have the position, team and results columns (and their working) called from the main module and then have a sub-module called to create the inner columns (and their headers) (which is Pld/W/D/L/GF/GA/GD/Pts in the football case. I think it is best to move it now, so all the footy tables will have the right format and don't have to be moved again. We can also try to create an ice hockey version then, but leave it at that for now, unless other wikiprojects would request these tables as well. If we have the infrastructure in place right from the start, it would save time down the road. CRwikiCA talk 15:10, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
@CRwikiCA: That sounds very reasonable, go ahead to do it if you feel like it. As long as it wont get harder to update I have no problems with it. QED237 (talk) 15:18, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
@CRwikiCA: I dont edit hockey that much even if I follow it carefully (live in a hockey city), mainly because stats change every day as there are matches every day and I dont want to put time on updating stats all the time. But looking at for example 2013–14 NHL season, 2013–14 SHL season and 2014–15 SHL season the tables needs updating. As a note I dont see any reason to sort the tables as they currently seem to do. 2014 IIHF World Championship seem to have better tables, but I dont think the new format would be bad. The question would be if making several NHL-tables as in 2013–14 NHL season or one template with the grey line between them. NHL has some complicated qualification rules with all divisions. QED237 (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Let's get the framework in place first and then we can try implementing it for some of the hockey articles. It's probably best at this point to keep focusing on the football tables though. I don't see a reason to sort tables either. CRwikiCA talk 16:01, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
@CRwikiCA: Yes you are completely right. QED237 (talk) 16:08, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Kit on Chelsea season 2014-15 page[edit]

Hello, reason please for undoing edit so I can change. Added in the same way as previous seasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, completely unsourced section. QED237 (talk) 21:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Going back 14 seasons back to 2000-2001 season none of the kit sections have been sourced. On other teams 2014-15 pages they are likewise unsourced. I am unsure how to source the description of a kit that is already on the page, there are no reputable sources (news outlets, official leagues, etc) that simply describe the colour of the teams kits. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:41, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I dont konw about other articles and there is a policy saying I dont have to, but everything needs to be sourced. I guess the best way to source kits is a press release or something from the club itself announcing the kit for the season as they usually do in the summer. QED237 (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

ok thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:00, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for discussing the situation instead of edit warring. QED237 (talk) 09:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


why you remove category of spanish catholic from Iker Casillas ??--Muhib mansour (talk) 15:56, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I removed it because there was no source saying he is catholic. QED237 (talk) 16:01, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Diego Costa is under GA review[edit]

I nominated Diego Costa for GA. Please help with the reviewers requests if you have the time.

Talk:Diego Costa/GA1

'''tAD''' (talk) 15:46, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Chelsea goalkeeper kit 14-15[edit]

Sorry mate but you can't say those few little pixels actually represent the adidas logo - look at any Nike-sponsored team here on Wikipedia and you'll see the 'logo' is just a mock-up, or, frankly, all the other adidas teams' pages that have the 'logo' (even 2013-14 Chelsea season for one). I understand your concern that it may be illegal to use the logo unauthorized, but to say that these kits are denoting it is a bit excessive.

I dont care if you can see them clearly it is against copyright laws and they should never be included. QED237 (talk) 11:10, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


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David Ospina Timestamp[edit]

The Caps are wrong. The September 5, 2014 match against Brazil was his 50th CAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shield187 (talkcontribs)

I answered you on your talkpage. QED237 (talk) 16:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


What do you mean end the centers? Shield187 (talk) 14:16, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

When adding html elements you start, then write your code, then end it. For example when writing small text <small>My text here</small> gives the result My text here. You must start and end your html element. For more info read HTML element and especially HTML element#center. QED237 (talk) 14:25, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I knew that. I just saw it done before without the second Center and it was working fine. I figured it was a shortcut. I'll the end with center then. As far as why, I think we can agree it looks better. Shield187 (talk) 14:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah okay, it is fine by me as long as you end the center. QED237 (talk) 14:38, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

EURO U21 Draw seedings[edit]

Hi. I know it`s not a relevant source maybe, but here are my personal calculations according article 8.03 and annex I of official regulations. :-) Sry. --CZMajkl (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

= EURO U21[edit]

Ok, no problem. That`s true. But I believe :-) my calculations are correct. So, we will see in few days. --CZMajkl (talk) 21:41, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. Somebody inserted seeding pots with "relevant" source of swedish FA. All calculations except one (England) are the same. I checked my calculation of team England and still cannot find mistake. So I still think I am correct and this "relevant" source isn`t. --CZMajkl (talk) 10:23, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[edit]

Sigh, just some immature vandal. Another admin has warned them, however to prevent further disruption I've blocked. GiantSnowman 13:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


Ok if you revert one more of my edits I will report you. And it seems that I'm not the first person to be distributed.Betterday123098 (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not going to report you. If you want help just let me know.Betterday123098 (talk) 16:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay do what you want, or ask me questions and maybe I can help you. QED237 (talk) 14:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
My friend I'm not talking about them I'am talking about their families. In Candreva case: I have sources that Candreva family is Arbëreshë and came from Albanian in 15th century after Ottoman invasion. And in Vučinić case: In (see Gruda tribe) page you can read about Gruda tribe and Vucinic family wich are all sourced. I am a little experienced too ; p.Betterday123098 (talk) 16:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
As I said, other wikipedia pages are not a reliable source so you can use the grube page as source and what does 15th century have to do with player today?. QED237 (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I edited the Candreva page again so you can see it. You can revert it and we can have the discussion here [1]. Oh and if I am doing something wrong please tell me cause I'm new editor of Wikipedia.Betterday123098 (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


Hey, i reported the editor from the James article here. Kante4 (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Possible socks[edit]

Yep, try raising at SPI - but it's possibly a school project or similar? GiantSnowman 12:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Dani Alves edit[edit]

Address me Sir when you message me please & I'll update what I want , if it's true , why don't you stop trying to bully people! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeyb316 (talkcontribs) 12:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I used a standard template to send you a message, sorry if that was not good enough and your edit was not sourced so it was therefore removed as all unsourced content to a WP:BLP will be. I am not trying to bully everyone I just remove the content not belonging on wikipedia and that includes unsourced content just as the user before me did. If you dont follow wikipedia guidelines you risk being blocked and no one would like that. How can I know if it is true or not if you dont use a source? QED237 (talk) 12:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Ballon d'Or[edit]

I listed two teams because Ronaldo spent half a season with one and the other half with the other, so yeah I am correct in listing two teams. You can also check Ballon d'Or 2002 if you want further proof; Ronaldo once again switched teams in between seasons. Paulinho28 (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


If you come across edits from Blubbychubby not adding timestamps again, could you please drop me a line? Just in case it doesn't show up on my watchlist. Although I am hoping that the final warning I gave him has done the trick :-) 5 albert square (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@5 albert square: Okay, I will do that but hopefully I never have to :). QED237 (talk) 23:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Yeah I hope so too! 5 albert square (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2014 (UTC)