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Depression rating template[edit]

Hey, I like your new template, {{Depression scoring tools}}. Are you really going to write articles for all the items on there? --Eastlaw (talk) 02:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

My idea was that I would do this much for now, and people could turn the black list items into bluelinks over time as articles are created. I realize that it would be ideal if I would create them all, but it is more than I have time to pursue. Quercus solaris (talk) 21:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Derive[edit]

(from Webster's 7th Collegiate): derive vt 4. to trace the derivation of. Elphion (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

All that close attention I was paying to both Collegiate and Third at Unabridged.Merriam-Webster.com, and I didn't check that! Thanks for dropping some knowledge! Quercus solaris (talk) 03:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
And thanks for taking the initiative on the Etymology section -- I've been eying it for a while now. Elphion (talk) 04:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

References[edit]

This not appropriate "For example, cursory Google Ngram Viewer searches find attestations of this sense of "stroke" from the 1700s, and earlier ones can probably be found with more search term design and effort." as a reference as it is original research. See WP:NOR.

A guideline on referencing medical content can be seen here WP:MEDRS. Have moved the content in question to the history section were it fits much better. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Point taken—already understand (and don't disagree) re refs and OR as general principles—was just trying to fix a trivially falsifiable flaw in the coverage, but I was rushing through it slightly too much. I am satisfied with the end result that you helped to shape. Thanks, Quercus solaris (talk) 22:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

About the edits on Penile cancer[edit]

You are correct in stating that I was unable to add the N or M information. I was looking at it and thinking "At what point does copying this chart become plagarism?" So, I was trying to copy it all on there, but started thinking about the possible plagarism issue. I do agree that the chart in the reference is very detailed. Steel1943 (talk) 15:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I understand both viewpoint angles. I am with you on the desire to have WP be as complete as possible, and for the reader to find everything they need right here without leaving. However, there may be some kinds of information, especially on health and medicine topics, where we can give them the full big picture, but we may as well point them to a (good, noncommercial) reference for certain details, because we may not even be able to put all the details here without committing copyvio (as you mentioned). I think full cancer staging info may be one of those types of details. But it's OK, because WP still has the potential to be the single most valuable place to go first for info, even if readers eventually click out into the cited refs to learn more. Take care, Quercus solaris (talk) 15:52, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Wow! Drug pollution is a great idea for an article! Thanks for getting it started. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Quercus solaris (talk) 18:25, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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Jargon[edit]

Please do not remove sources, as you did at Jargon. You have been around long enough to know all the policies I would usually point out to newcommers about verifiability, original research, and reliable sources. Yet this edit removed a source in order to add your own suggestion that jargon can shift from shibboleth to widespread usage. While that may be true, it is not license to remove and replace verified information. Cnilep (talk) 01:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't replace anything, and I didn't remove a source in the way that is bad/provocative. The statement was that the words bit, byte, and hexadecimal are now (fairly) widely known although they once were not. That statement doesn't actually need a ref. Normally I would never have removed a ref since it was there already, but I removed it to take care of the concern that you pointed out (which was that it was no longer clear, after the further development of the content, which specific portion of the sentence the ref was supporting). The concern was fair, so I edited to avoid the problem. In terms of Wikipedia content development, the ways that argot, jargon, and shibboleths are sometimes connected to each other conceptually needs to be concisely mentioned and linked in their respective articles. This isn't my own suggestion, it's part of the ways language is used. That sentence does it concisely the way I edited it, without needing that particular ref. I can go see about doing it another concise way that preserves that ref, but it's not worth circumlocuting just to hold onto that particular ref for that particular clause (which doesn't need it). I'll see what can be done with it. Quercus solaris (talk) 04:13, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

SPSS[edit]

I thought we had resolved the issue but in this edit you are simply replaying the material that was discussed in February with no attempt to discuss it or provide any more support than you did before. Please either find verification from reliable sources for the assertion or stop trying to impose it in this way — this is becoming disruptive. Deltahedron (talk) 16:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

No—before the discussion was about what the expansion officially was or wasn't. That has been established now. What I was doing in the recent edit was simply pointing out that it's not emphasized in the branding. But, speaking of being disruptive, since you are so incredibly worried about not stating that even though it is obviously objectively true, I won't bother to add it again. I wouldn't have added it today (it's not a big deal) except that I didn't happen to think about the possibility that you might confuse the former for the latter (what it is vs whether it's emphasized) and have a fit about it. No worries—your version can stet, it's good enough. Quercus solaris (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Please do not be offensive. However, I am glad to hear that you are willing to abide by Wikipedia's core policy on verifiability. Deltahedron (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
And I'm glad to try to resist distortions of it, as well (per Wikipedia:Common knowledge > Acceptable examples of common knowledge at "Plain sight observations that can be made from public property"). Quercus solaris (talk) 18:11, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
If you seriously believe that requiring verification for the statement in question is a distortion of policy, then raise the question at an appropriate venue such as the Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard. Deltahedron (talk) 21:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Which I see you have now done. I have responded there. It would have been courteous to mention to me the fact that you had done so, particularly since you choose to complain of my conduct there as well. Deltahedron (talk) 11:23, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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Adenocarcinoma[edit]

Hi, I hesitate to raise this, but when I looked at this article its lead immediately struck me as an extreme example of the common problem with Wikipedia medical articles of being written purely in technical medical terminology. This is something that WP:MEDMOS very explicitly deprecates. I was surprised to find, on examining the page history, that the article had in fact been better until your edits of last October [1]. The page had previously had the non-technical word "cancer" right at the start - "Adenocarcinoma is a cancer of ...." and then later in the (very overlong) paragraph. Your edits removed both mentions, leaving for someone without a bit of medical training really no indication in the lead at all that the subject was anything to do with cancer. This article receives over 500,000 page views per year, btw; they won't all be medical students revising.

I am Wikipedian in Residence at Cancer Research UK and part of my role (funded by Wellcome Trust) is to improve our content on cancer-related topics. When the experts at CRUK look at Wikipedia medical content they are struck at least as much by the over-technical language, in something aimed at a general audience, as issues with accuracy. The problem is especially acute because, as here, the technical language is concentrated in the lead, and often in the opening sentences with the definition of the subject. Those who write and user-test web material professionally know that the great majority of web users simply will not continue with a page that starts this way - they'll go back to their browser search and find one of the other pages in the first page of results.

No doubt most of your edit was useful, though I doubt the very detailed stuff on the scope of the term belongs in a first paragraph, but as I am working, by myself and with other editors, to make our articles, and especially the leads, more suitable for the intended audience, it is concerning to find relatively recent edits by a regular medical editor that are going in the opposite direction.

I share your irritation with old unexplained clean-up tags, which you also removed in these edits, but sometimes they have a reason to be there. Here the 2nd section "Signs and symptoms" only describes those for one or two cancers, does it not? Actually, it doesn't seem to match very closely any set of cancer symptoms I can find on a quick look in a standard text. It should probably be removed entirely. Further down the lists of other sites were linked to eg esophagus not esophageal cancer, and so on.

I hope this doesn't cause offence, but with so few regular medical editors it is important that we are all pulling in the same direction. Thanks for all your valuable work on cancer-related topics. I hope you will take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject CRUK, where the project is coordinated. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi John. I'm afraid you didn't look carefully enough at my edits and at what they did or didn't do. To see what I mean, you can step through the diffs one at a time (not in popups—they don't show the diff properly—but as whole diff pages). I used numbers below to make the organization of my reply clear. (1) It is not at all true that I remove the linked word "cancer" from the first sentence. It was still there after my edits. (2) There is only one diff that has any substantial amount of "diff-age" (this one). If you look clearly at what I did there, it is quite simple (as follows). (3) I only changed the lede, and only in certain places. I didn't change it extensively (didn't rewrite it). (4) I edited to cover the ontology of "what the subject is, what it isn't, what it's related to, and how so"—which is why I added, for example, the sentences "Adenocarcinoma is the malignant counterpart to adenoma, which is the benign form of such tumors. Sometimes adenomas transform into adenocarcinomas, but most do not." I moved the sentence containing "VIPoma" (I didn't write it or add it), and the move was part of editing for the reason mentioned ("what the subject is, what it isn't, what it's related to, and how so"). (5) I did add the pronunciations and plural forms (here), but that info is standard for WP ledes to include. That's considered basic info for the general audience (not just for experts). (6) That's it—that's all I did. (7) From there, to talk about the bigger picture: I share your desire to make WP articles useful for a general audience. If you wanted to move pronunciations and plurals to a section (move down, out of the lede), I would not object. As for ontology ("what the subject is, what it isn't, what it's related to, and how so"), that's not technical mumbo-jumbo at heart—that's fundamental info. Some of it can, again, be moved down, out of the lede, if you want, as long as the lede doesn't distort via omission. Granted that a big part of pedagogy is "bite-size pieces"—a general reader can only handle so much at once. The article should still contain all relevant info, but nonetheless should also present it in drill-down format (so each reader can decide for him/herself how far to drill before stopping). I don't rewrite whole articles for reading level adjustment or pedagogical maximization—it's not what I have time to do at WP. A look at my contribs history shows that 95% of what I do at WP is info tidbit addition and ontologic fixing, both generally in small chunks (small edits, not rewrites). To sum up, I share the desire for both good info and good readability, and an analysis of my edits disproves the idea that I'm rewriting anything into an overly technical state (because I'm almost never rewriting and because my edits seldom are any more technical than what it takes to accurately say "what the subject is, what it isn't, what it's related to, and how so"). My advice is WP:BE BOLD—if you think the info should be rearranged into a different order of presentation (for example, moving some info down, out of the lede), go for it. If I see valid info being deleted entirely, I generally push back gently, working cooperatively to find a way where it is still covered but perhaps buried deeper in an article. I lack time to thoroughly analyze everything that appears on my watchlist, but I try to skim it and at least keep an eye out. Regards, Quercus solaris (talk) 19:18, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Abject apologies - indeed I didn't read the diff correctly. It was in fact this ISP's only edit which removed "cancer". Sorry to waste your time having to reply to this. I will be redoing the lead at some point, but on checking there were some serious downright errors lower down (fortunately not that common in our major cancer articles), which it was more important to correct. I'm no enemy of precision, but we need to find ways to combine that with accessibility. Thanks for you understanding! Wiki CRUK John (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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Concerning Pathology[edit]

[Please see Talk:Pathology—thread moved there.]