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Generally, I understand the rule of thumb is that we minimize the number of external links to the subject's own website(s): one to the subject, maybe one to the "parent company"; that's about it. We are not here to provide a directory of links and websites, not even official ones. (I've noticed that the more obscure the band, the more MySpace, Facebook, etc. websites they want as external links in their article.) --Orange Mike | Talk 19:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC) (knew Phil back before Girl Genius when he would draw you a custom namebadge for $5; but I didn't have $5)
- I'd say a link in the Othar section might not be bad; something like "the Foglios have even created a LiveJournal for his rantings" and put the URL in the footnote; or something of the sort. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for that, I've got to look at the clocks more carefully since we just went forward an hour in America for Daylight Savings Time. I'm also declining to block at this time because they are not currently vandalizing. If they do it again within 24 hours, pester me directly (not through AIV). -MBK004 11:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome--was about to stick a warning on his talk page but you beat me to it. Rachel Summers (talk) 07:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
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|I award you this barnstar for your work on the Simon Amstell article. Your help with the LGBT project by removing vandalism and adding relevant content to this article is appreciated. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)|
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there seems to be a major misunderstanding on the simon amstell page. his sexual orientation and jewishness do not feature prominently in his stand up. his current touring show, which i have seen, is called 'no self'. he does not make any gay or jewish jokes. in fact the theme is the illusion of identity, that such labels are absurd. if he was also making jewish or gay jokes as is currently suggested, the actual show title and content would not make sense. to go by reviews is not an accurate enough source. reviewers always put artists in easily understandable boxes. surely we can attempt a better, more accurate understanding here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
re Amstell page
- But do you have any verifiable sources? Otherwise, what you are doing is "original research": Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments. Anyone can claim that the subject of a particular article does such-and-such or believes such-and-such, but these claims must be backed up and properly cited. Also, we've come up with quite a few sources that demonstrate that his religion and sexuality _do_ seem to figure into his work. Whereas, you're the only person claiming that his show is more about Buddhism than anything else, and have not come up with any sources to prove this (specifically, to prove that his show is about Buddhism but _not_ at all about his growing up Jewish or being gay). The burden of proof is upon you.
- I have to ask--do you have a problem with his religion or sexuality even being mentioned? Because if that's the case, you should also be aware that Wikipedia is not the place for censorship. And Amstell is very open about himself and these things do come up in his work on Never Mind The Buzzcock and other places--his religion/sexuality may not be mentioned in each and every piece of work he does, but there is enough of a trend for the current article to be accurate. I'm changing the wording from "stand-up material" to "work" so that it's more general, though.
- Finally--the page has a long history of people trying to remove any and all mentions of his religion and sexuality, particularly the latter. At first it was "oh, he _happens_ to be gay, but it's nothing to do with his career". Then we found sources proving otherwise, and rather than come up with something that directly challenges that, people just removed the cited information (another big no-no). If you wish to contest material, you must do so by the rules--otherwise, it looks like you're simply trying to remove content which you find objectionable because of your personal beliefs, not because it's factually untrue. And this is one of the best ways to get banned from editing Wikipedia. Rachel Summers (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
this is a recent review of SA's stand is... his religion and sexuality are not featured prominently. citing an episode of buzzcocks where he and john barrowman make humour from their sexuality and one or two moments of 5 years of popworld shows does not justify 'prominently'
this type of sentence makes him sound like a gay jewish comedian like other more old fashioned comedians who base most of their act around their ethnicity/background/gender etc. in fact amstell's most recent stand up show was called 'no self' and was about a failed relationship and experiencing existential angst, as the above review shows.
i am not posting this because of personal opnions/beliefs... certainly not homophobia. i am gay myself. i just think the statement is entirely at odds with the person he actually is - someone who has been praised (as above review) for doing something far more thoughtful and intelligent than one note jokes about being part of a minority.
another review from the guardian - http://arts.guardian.co.uk/theatre/comedy/reviews/story/0,,2279983,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
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