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Random links/ Harvard-Yenching Institute[edit]

Rajmaan, my respected Wiki friend, I'm still trying to understand the purpose of posting these random links, most recently at Harvard-Yenching_Library Talk Page without any explanation or giving us any idea of what you intend to be done with them. In this case, the book is already linked on the HYI page linked under "Harvard-Yenching Publications." Why single out this one title, or why not put the link on the main page? I admire your good intentions, though I also do not understand why you removed our earlier discussion on your Talk Page. ch (talk) 19:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
i forgot to check the article to see if it was in the references or further reading. Most of the time i do, i checked the articles on finnish americans and finlandia university to make sure it wasn't there before i put the source into the talk page. I do put links on the main page if the article is about an author and its a link to a book which an author wrote.Rajmaan (talk) 19:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Samuel Budgett Talk[edit]

Fair point about Edwin Budgett-Meakin. Perhaps I should make a stub article for him with a list of his books. One of these days..... Budhen (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Minority education, etc.[edit]

That's really interesting, about Ramadan. I read the media reports, but was ignorant about the facts of the matter. There are two articles that I would like to create around the minority education subject: Minkaohan (民考汉), for what you describe as "Chinese Uighur", and affirmative action in China. However, I am definitely also interested in the internal migration issue (in fact, it has long been a long-term project of mine), and I think we can build a great article.

We don't need to dwell too much on the past when writing such an article: we just need a few data points, and a graph like in Demography and National Security (2001). Lazy and stereotypical media such as Al Jazeera only take two data points: 1949 and 20XX (whatever the year currently is). If they bothered to find the migration rates from the 1960s, 1970s, etc. and projections from trained demographers, rather than political agitators, then they could not logically conclude that there is some inevitable "threat" to Uyghur demographic domination.

There's a lot of interesting "groundwork" that can be done in terms of article-writing, since of course the whole idea that Hans are a culture-destroying cancer spreading around the planet with out-of-control birthrates taps into very deep racist ideas, and is not unique to Xinjiang. Better articles on Yellow Peril, Chuang Guandong, and Ethnic Chinese in Russia would include some academic criticism of these ideas.

If you could create a sandbox for the migration article, it would be great. Shrigley (talk) 01:44, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I created a sandbox at User:Rajmaan/Internal Migration to Xinjiang, I'm going to try to find the individual demographics for every county in xinjiang tommorrow. The article could also discuss uyghur migration into other provinces from Xinjiang. The uyghurs were settled in Guazhou county in Qing times and uyghurs continue to migrate to cities on the coastal areas of China.Rajmaan (talk) 08:18, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Tibetan Civil War[edit]

This article idea is off base, I'm afraid. For one thing, there have been several incidents in Tibetan history which could plausibly be called the "Tibetan civil war". I would think it would more naturally refer to the conflicts between the Dalai Lama and his Mongol allies and the Lord of Tsang and his Mongol allies (ended 1641), or between Pholhanä and the ministers in Lhasa (ended 1741), or between Shatra and the regent (ended 1862). Second, I'm not sure where you have gotten the idea that Reting Rinpoche, his monks, and the monks of Sera Che college constitute a secular, modernising faction. If anybody was a moderniser in the Reting affair (that's if) surely it was Regent Taktra, trying to centralise control in the state apparatus and its secular army. Reting was said to be relatively pro-KMT by Tibetan government insider standards, but Chiang Kai-shek was hardly a commander of the Reting faction. The National Revolutionary Army was certainly not involved.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 03:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

The incident is referred to as a civil war in the sources, I alrready struck out everything about being secular already but that doesn't take away from the point that the conflict happened.Rajmaan (talk) 05:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
It did happen. Some of your sources call it a "civil war" or a "small civil war", but none call it "the Tibetan Civil War". Testing on Google, of the first 5 hits on Google Books search for "Tibetan Civil War", there are two referring to the Dalai Lama-Tsangpa conflict, one to the Pholhanä conflict, one to a civil war in the late Tibetan Empire, and one to the conflict between the Sakya and the Phakmodrupa. On Google Scholar search, I found two references to the Dalai Lama-Tsangpa conflict, two to the Pholhanä conflict, and one to the Shatra conflict and/or the Nyarong War. I would suggest that the present article be titled Reting affair. According to Goldstein (who I think of as generally reliable but not 100% on this sort of thing), Reting Rinpoche and the Dalai Lama's father both saw Nationalist China as a potential source of aid against Taktra[1], but as far as I know nothing ever came of it. Being Pro- or Anti-Chinese was not a primary motivation for either side in the conflict, so I think the references to China should be removed.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 01:21, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Which of your sources indicates that "Reting sought military aid from the Kuomintang government of the Republic of China in exchange for complete recognition of Tibet as part of China by the Tibetan government"?—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 23:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Page 121- Kundun: A Biography of the Family of the Dalai Lama By Mary Craig. Rajmaan (talk) 00:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I took a very quick look at what Goldstein has on Reting and the KMT and it agrees with this. Sounds like Reting was actively attempting to connive with Nanking, but no aid was ever forthcoming. Reting may very well have been assassinated to prevent his serving as an encouragement or focus for Chinese involvement. I will take a closer look at Goldstein when I get a chance.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Just to add in my two cents -- if I were to read the phrase "Tibetan Civil War" in isolation, what would come to my mind first would be the collapse of the Tufan state near the end of Tang Dynasty. But maybe I should only give two cents since Tibetan history simply isn't my forte. :-) --Nlu (talk) 01:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Texts you requested translation for[edit]

I have one text done. Please see on my talk page. Please be aware that it may take some time for me to look at the other two.

As far as creating a stub was concerned, right now I must say that this is kind of out of my expertise area. I may simply translate the Chinese stub, but I am not sure I can add anything else. --Nlu (talk) 00:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

About Are[edit]

I added the stub. As for typing/translating the text -- it looked a little daunting to me. If you can limit the amount of text that you want/would be relevant to you, it would make it easier. --Nlu (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Reliable source[edit]

Hi, You enquired about the reliablity of some source, unfortunately it is not clear to me for which source you are enquiring aobut. Please let me know what exactly is your query, so that I can answer it. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

2012 Likuangole MI-8 shootdown[edit]

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Dealt with.Rajmaan (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't misuse closure procedure[edit]

Note that the archivetop template should only be used by uninvolved editors or administrator and not by those involved in the discussion - see note on archivetop template. Don't abuse it as a way of getting the last word in. Hzh (talk) 11:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Someone did the same thing to me after his side got the last word in, and he was most certainly involved in the discussion and not an administrator. Nobody objected so I assumed it was ok.Rajmaan (talk) 22:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Lenin on Boxers[edit]

Hi Rajmaan -- it's really interesting and significant to see that Lenin commented on the Boxers. He also commented on Sun Yat-sen in 1905, so maybe I should chase down that quote to show that he had an eye on China from very early on. It might fit in the Sun Yatsen article. Do you have his actual quote on the Boxers? It might be more forceful than just mentioning that he said something. Also, maybe use just one reference and put it in the footnote rather than expanding the "Reference" section by three books for just one sentence? Hope all goes well. ch (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Would it be ok with you if I put a quote from the Lenin article into the article? I think the section on Controversies and Legacy has gotten a little disorganized and too long, so I might also reorganize and shorten it. What do you think? ch (talk) 01:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Great. Many thanks once more. But I think that the Boxer Uprising article (to give it the proper name!) is not the place for a full treatment of the international debate. I'm afraid that expanding too much is 1) disproportionate and 2) readers will skip it. Maybe we should start a new article, though that would be hard to define. So for the meantime, I'll just rework the present section and think about moving it up so it doesn't get buried. ch (talk) 15:59, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Yuan Shikai's anti Boxer campaigns in Shandong and in Zhili[edit]

You are right that Yuan's campaigns were brutal and significant. But the article is getting long -- something like 13,000 words of text. It's also hard to follow, especially the middle sections on the Chinese and foreign forces and the succession of campaigns. Besides, these sections are not really about the "Boxer Uprising" as such.

Maybe we should condense the sections in this article and move expanded versions to linked "Main Articles" of their own. We already do with the Seige, Seymour, and Gaselee sections. There definitely should be a linked Main Article on the Russians in Manchuria.

Moving and expanding these sections would make the article easier to read for the general reader who is our main audience but provide more detailed information for the reader who wants to know more. What do you think? I'll put this proposal on the Talk Page. ch (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


In reply to your post on my talkpage: I agree. I'm still thinking that we should split the Boxer article, which is over the suggested size for splitting. This would make it easier to read and also create room for detailed discussion of the topics you mention. We should be careful to build the links and references clearly into the Boxer article.
You are doing great work in finding sources! But most people will be scared away from a long list of bare links, since the links usually do not show what they are. You will multiply their use by many times if you add brief descriptions. Also remember that Wikipedia policy discourages primary sources. Cheers. ch (talk) 16:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Paper on practice of giving affirmative action to minorities[edit]

Thanks for bringing up the paper. I left some comments at Talk:Ethnic_minorities_in_China#Affirmative_action_in_china_in_practice_is_only_given_to_religious_minorities. I cannot cite the file you linked because the paper notes that "Extremely preliminary version. Please do not cite or circulate. All comments and suggestions are appreciated. " WhisperToMe (talk) 06:37, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Affirmative action in China[edit]

Thanks for the sources! WhisperToMe (talk) 04:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up! WhisperToMe (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again! One thing I like to do is provide full citations for every link. That is because if the link dies there is still value in the information as the name of the book, author, ISBN, page numbers, and title of the book can be used to locate details. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:04, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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Qing[edit]

You have pointed out that the Qing fully identified all their territories as "China", and not "Manchu empire". However, a user named ༆ had earlier changed/reverted the term "Qing Dynasty" to "Manchu Empire" on page Template:History of Tibet (see diff here) without any reasoning. He had also done a similar thing on pages such as Manchu (disambiguation) (diff here). Is there anything to do with it? Thanks! --Cartstyle (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me the info on Uyghurs in Beijing WhisperToMe (talk) 16:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Comment on Japanese occupation of British Borneo..[edit]

Not at all, a few of Suluks male were have survived during the time. — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 23:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

and about your quote "Suluks were led by Panglima Ali" on this talkpage are wrong. Based on the book, he (Panglima Ali) actually came from a Sulug Island (a given name for an island in Sabah by villagers), not "Suluk were led". — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 23:15, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
it says "Sulus" live in the area. As far as I am aware, Sulus refer to the Tausug people.Rajmaan (talk) 23:26, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
there are more accounts of the Japanese attempts to exterminate the Suluk raceRajmaan (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
the Japanese also massacred and persecuted Sulu (Tausug) people in Sulu and Mindanao when they occupied the Philippines. See Talk:Japanese_occupation_of_the_Philippines#Moro_resistance_on_Mindanao_and_Borneo. Japan's policies against Moro Muslims was harsh and brutal, they were only lenient on Malay and Indonesian.Rajmaan (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Ok, now I see more information from that book.. Thanks! — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 23:46, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Just a suggestion. You have posted a large number of references on the articles talk page. Rather than clutter the talk page I think it might be better to create a space in your sandpit, and you want other editors to assist with a particular aspect use the talk page to direct them there, till there is enough to add to the main article. Keep up the good work. NealeFamily (talk) 09:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Sambas conflict[edit]

and about this article, please get your facts right. The massacre to Madurese are not due to religion but rather to a high level of migration to the West Kalimantan island which same to what happened now in Sabah. The causes are also started by the Madurese first. You can see more in Indonesian wiki which writes by Indonesian itself which is not biased. — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 12:36, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I have redirected it to Sampit conflict because almost all the content are same. — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 12:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Indonesian wikipedia has a seperate article for id:Kerusuhan Sambas. We need to seperate the articles.Rajmaan (talk) 20:25, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Regarding this edit[edit]

Eh, how did you view this book? Did you buy a lot of paid books? — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 05:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

The books are free and you should be able to view them in Malaysian google. The copyright to them expired over a hundred years ago. I listed more books here at Talk:Tausug_language#English.2C_Sulu_.28Tausug.29.2C_Malay_vocabulary.Rajmaan (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Nope, still can't viewed it. In Malaysia, you can only view the front cover. I think it is only free from outside Malaysia using the ".my" domain. — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 08:45, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Google books seems to restrict viewing the book. I can't see it either even with a VPN turned on. However, there is a mirror where you can read it for free. Rincewind42 (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I wonder how Rajmaan can view it. BTW, thanks for the link Rincewind42! — "ʀᴜ" ɴᴏᴛ ʀᴜssɪᴀɴ ᴡʜᴜᴛ? 13:58, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Probably down to the way Google (including Google books) give different or differently-presented results depending on things like the user's search history and location. See Uncle G's notes here for some more details. -92.6.197.171 (talk) 02:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Qing dynasty battles Comment[edit]

Hi Rajmaan, please be careful when substituting Manchu of the Eight Banners for Chinese forces in Qing dynasty conflict related articles - many of these involved other Chinese units such as the Green Standard Army and local militias. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 10:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

British term for Manchu[edit]

Hello. Obviously it was fought between British and Chinese forces (the two states) in actual reports contemporaneous of the time. No one used Chinese-Manchu Bannermen back then.--TheLeopard (talk) 06:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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Marquis of Extended Grace[edit]

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Spratly Islands dispute[edit]

Wow! Your contribution must have involved a LOT of work!! Thank you. Pdfpdf (talk) 07:10, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Haiyang Shiyou[edit]

The Hayang Shiyou standoff is a major news story with editorials from countless major newspapers from around the world: [2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]. You're putting undue emphasis on the newspaper of some website in Taiwan. I am working on updating the page with the balanced information from those editorials. DHN (talk) 18:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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you have just typed in some they have Mongolian ancestry but it is Turkish too — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.175.216 (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Line of Chinese emperors[edit]

I don't know you whether or not understand Chinese ,but the line of Chinese emperors is so complicated ,emperors always counterfeited their line.So you must read some Chinese scholar's research,instead of the web article.--115.152.119.103 (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

There are Shinto gods on the Japanese imperial family tree and half the Emperors on their are most likely fake and we even have fictional family trees so what is your point?Rajmaan (talk) 16:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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Western Yugur language[edit]

The section "History" is repetitive and appears to contradict itself regarding what language exactly Modern Uyghur is descended from. According to what I have learned from Turkologists, Modern Uyghur is descended from Chagatai, itself a descendant of Karluk Turkic. I have no idea what the "Xākānī" language described by Mahmud al-Kashgari could be. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Xākānī (Khakani) is the name of the dialect of the Karluk language spoken by the Kara-Khanids at the royal court.Rajmaan (talk) 00:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
A-ha, thank you; but then the article should explain that, and link to Karakhanid language or to Middle Turkic languages directly. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of 2014 Thach Hoa Mi-171 crash for deletion[edit]

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Ming Shilu as primary source[edit]

Hey, I've seen you using the Ming Shilu--or at least a translation of it--as a reference ([11] and others). Could you be a bit more critical in the usage of it as source, because it's a historical primary source in the end. Rather than stating the derived information as plain facts, consider adding things like "according to the Ming Shilu...", "the Ming Shilu states...", etcetera. Cheers, Cold Season (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I understand, I forgot about it being a primary source since it was republished and translated by a modern historian. Seeing Geoff Wade's name instead of the original authors makes it feel more modern .Rajmaan (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Chinese Hui generals[edit]

Take a look at these edits[12] and Bai Shouyi before I reverted him. Some sources at [13], [14], [15] and [16]. Attribution may be a good thing. I'll try to find time to work on these if you can't. Dougweller (talk) 13:14, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Both user:TrueChinaHistory claims that Bai Shouyi invented the legends and the claim that they are Muslim are not accurate. Bai Shouyi did not invent those clains, they were legends around the Hui community dating back hundreds of years. Bai was the first one to write about these legends in academic articles. Whether they are true or not is another issue. Its discussed in this article- Ming Taizu and the Muslims of China by Zvi Ben-Dor Benite. Zvi admits that the legends of his Generals being Hui may or may not be false (the official records of the Ming don't mention them being Hui), but at the same time its imporant to note exactly why those legends grew in the Hui community- claiming those Generals as Hui to justify their assimilation into Chinese culture. Rajmaan (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and suggestions[edit]

Hi Rajmaan;

Just a quick note to express my individual thanks for your continued hard work and your accumulating mountain of contributions. I am in awe at the value of most of your work, but I do have some questions raised by some of your edits, most recently at Written vernacular Chinese but also in other articles.

  • I respect the work that you put in to find these titles, but I'm also a little worried that there doesn't seem to be any reason for choosing these particular ones. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, that is, "merely being true or even verifiable does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." This applies to Further Reading. If there is some reason for choosing these titles, maybe you could indicate what it is. WP:FURTHER says that it's ok to give brief annotations.
Maybe something like "this was the most widely used text" or "recommended in such and such a bibliography." Otherwise our readers have no way to know whether these titles were chosen simply because they were available rather than because they were the best.
I worry that the good titles you find, which are many, will get lost in the crowd of useless ones.
  • WP:CITEHOW says what is included in a citation for a book.
  • "Access" is not included, I guess because "access" is necessary only for websites that would change, such as blogs, which a book would not.
  • The city of publication is optional, but if used should not be in all capitals.
  • The name of the publisher is not "printed at XYZ Publisher," but just "Publisher." The address of the publisher should not be included (e.g. "Hankow Road"), It's standard to abbreviate something like "Scribner's and Sons" to "Scribner's."

Hope all goes well, ch (talk) 06:28, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I included accessdate just because it appeared on the original template at Template:Cite_book#Usage. Sometimes a google books or archive.org link will break so the accessdate shows the last known time it was accessible. I used all caps, because it was like that in the book, but I will not do that in the future again if I remember. I will take note of what you said about further reading, publisher and location.Rajmaan (talk) 07:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
I see your point. The instructions don't seem to be consistent with that version of the template. But there are two different situations: #1 the problem of a broken link, such as you mention #2 a website with changing content.
Wikipedia has ways to deal with dead links, otherwise we would have to put "date of access" on every internet link and on every link to a Google book. So my best understanding is that "access" makes sense only for #2, for sites whose content changes. This way, a reader is warned that the information might have changed after the date of access. But I guess that the content of a book would not change even if the link dies. Also, just looking around quickly, it seems that most editors don't use "access" for books etc. Thanks for your patience! ch (talk) 03:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Dzungaria[edit]

Hi my friend, hope all is well. In case you're wondering, I reverted to the old map based on a pending copyright question about the map I added. Revolt of the Altishahr Khojas is coming along, it's in my sandbox if you want to take a look. Please note, it's a work in progress so please don't edit it yet in case fo edit conflicts. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 14:30, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Philg88 平定回部 should just be translated as "Pacification of the Muslim region ", because 回部 in that context does not refer to Hui people but rather to the fact that Altishahr (the Tarim Basin) was inhabited mostly by people who were Muslims.Rajmaan (talk) 18:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Noted and fixed. Working on this has thrown up a lot of other work that needs to be done on those involved. I can see 10-20 articles coming out of this, I created the first one today - Tsewang Dorji Namjal. Best,  Philg88 talk 19:11, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Just a heads up, I'm planning to standardize all the article titles and usages related to Dzungaria per that spelling. This is the common name as evidenced by this NGRAM. Let me know if you think this is a bad idea (with rationale please) and to be on the safe side, I'm pinging CWH as a third opinion. Best,  Philg88 talk 16:47, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Philg88 Does that include Dzungar people as well? I've seen different sources call them Zunghars, Zungar, Dzungar, Eleuths, Öölods.Rajmaan (talk) 18:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I think it's important to have consistent spelling for all related topics. For example, clicking on a link to "Eleuths" and getting redirected to "Dzungar people" is confusing for readers - the alternative names are better dealt with on the target page with the appropriate incoming redirects. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 18:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Glad to see that you two are continuing your valuable and fascinating development of this range of topics. I've learned so much from them. I agree that it is important to have consistency for readers and that there is work to be done to sort it out for the common reader. ch (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Their lies the rub, my friend, I find this little known corner of Chinese history enthralling. There is so much to write and it's all tangled up with Tibet in part, which I never knew. (see Lha-bzang Khan. Then there's the Oirat tribal structure ... and so it goes on. All credit to Rajmaan for bringing it to the fore in the first place. Unfortunately, I'm not getting a lot of time to create content right now on account of learning my new janitorial duties. All the best to you both,  Philg88 talk 19:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Yikes! Philg88, I missed the excitement on your coming into your "janitorial" duties! Congrats and hopes that like Janus, the namesake of janitors, you will happily look after beginnings and doors and portals for a long, long time! ch (talk) 20:40, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Damn! Could have been 124/0/0!, but thanks.  Philg88 talk 20:42, 23 August 2014 (UTC)