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Mitigation of global warming#Population Control[edit]

Again, welcome, and thank you for editing this article. To say that you have improved things over the substance that was there before is the understatement of the year! I dislike of course the idea of population control as a mitigation strategy, my view is that any application of this strategy that would produce noticable effects on the CO2 output in a timeframe that would make any impact on this centurys temperature rise while at the same time not lead to riots and or rampant extremism or gross unfairness to the poor is unlikely in the extreme. kind regards sbandrews 19:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Creation "science" statistics[edit]

The citation is the following :

Newsweek magazine, 1987-JUN-29, Page 23.

According to Newsweek in 1987, "By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..." That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms at about 0.14% JPotter 17:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Definition of Medical Diagnosis[edit]

When did asking for the name of something on the human body become a medical diagnosis? A person on the RD asked for the name of the white tongue bumps that are common for some people. He didn't ask what caused them. He didn't ask how to treat them. He didn't ask if it was a disease. He didn't ask if it was something he could pass to someone else. He didn't even claim that he had them. He just asked what the name was. Yet, you decided that asking for the name was a medical diagnosis and decided it was worth deleting a link to an article that describes the types of bumps that some people get on their tongue. Are all questions about the human body banned from Wikipedia now? -- kainaw 16:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Just "asking for the name of something on the human body" would be something like "what’s the name of the little piece of tissue that extends a little ways over the base of the fingernail?". I’d obviously have no problem with that question. The actual question asked, however, differs from asking for the name of a cuticle in two important ways: 1) The question was about a condition which most people don’t have most of the time (at least, I’ve never had a symptom that fits the description). It’s not like a cuticle, which everybody has (AFAIK). Indeed, the title for the question calls it an "abnormality". 2) The condition is "very sore to the touch". Normal things that are just "something on the human body", like a cuticle or philtrum or something, don’t usually cause pain.
Asking about a painful abnormality sure sounds to me like asking about what could potentially be a serious medical condition, and is a lot more than just "asking for the name of something on the human body." For example, skin cancer might also present itself as a painful, abnormal bump on the tongue.
Asking for the name of a painful, abnormal condition is asking for a diagnosis. The symptom is an abnormal, painful white bump on the tongue. Whether the name of the condition that produces that symptom is "herpes" or "canker sore" or "lie bump" or "skin cancer" or "epithelial cyst" or "parasite" involves making a decision as to what condition is most likely to be causing that symptom. Making that decision is making a diagnosis. MrRedact 19:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
It is apparent that you do not know what papillae or geographic tongue is. Neither is a medical diagnosis. Papillae are a normal part of the body that everyone has. Geographic tongue is rather normal with only a few people having severe geographic tongue. Most people only have the symptom of raised papillae - which look like white bumps and can be painful. But, it appears that your intent is to refuse this information to everyone and hide the fact that everyone with a tongue has papillae and those with geographic tongue commonly get raised papillae. I find it very pathetic that you can rationalize this as a medical diagnosis. -- kainaw 14:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
If geographic tongue isn’t a medical condition, then why does our article on it contain sections entitled "Symptoms", "Histopathology", and "Treatment"? More importantly, why does the National Institutes of Health Office of Rare Diseases list geographic tongue as a "disease"?[1]
Our article on diagnosis defines diagnosis as "the recognition of a disease or condition by its outward signs and symptoms". Geographic tongue may not be a very serious disease, but saying that the questioner's symptoms are indicative of geographic tongue is still a diagnosis.
According to our article on geographic tongue, geographic tongue is a synonym for benign migratory glossitis. How can you, with no medical degree, and without having looked in the guy’s mouth, distinguish between benign migratory glossitis and less benign forms of glossitis? According to the glossitis article, some of the possible causes of glossitis are bacterial infections such as syphilis, viral infections such as herpes simplex, iron deficiency anemia, pernicious anemia, oral lichen planus, erythema multiforme, aphthous ulcer, or pemphigus vulgaris. Do you really think you can tell that his condition isn’t one of those disorders from his two-sentence description of his symptoms?
What makes you so sure that his condition is even any variety of glossitis? For example, mouth cancer can start with a sore area on the tongue.[2]
I highly suspect, in fact, that you did not make a correct diagnosis. He describes his condition as "very sore to the touch". The geographic tongue article says that it "is not common for the condition to cause pain." His condition involves a single white bump. Geographic tongue involves irregular areas of discolored papillae.
Reference desk editors not being allowed to offer a diagnosis is not just a stupid, arbitrary rule. Like it or not, we live in a very litigious society, and huge sums of money have been awarded for really ridiculous lawsuits. You basically told the questioner that his condition did not warrant medical attention. If it turns out that he really has mouth cancer, he could sue Wikimedia for providing a forum in which incorrect diagnoses are frequently made by people with no medical qualifications, and I’m not so sure that the lawsuit wouldn’t succeed. I’m sorry I hurt your feelings by deleting your post, but I think it’s more important to prevent the risk of Wikipedia from being harmed by a lawsuit, and to prevent Wikimedia from deciding to close down the Science ref desk due to legal liability concerns about too much unlicensed medical advice slipping through on the page. MrRedact 18:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
As I said, your rationalization that naming a body part is a diagnosis is pathetic. I'll ensure to wrap any comments about body parts with "THIS IS A NAME OF A BODY PART AND NOT A DIAGNOSIS" next time. -- kainaw 22:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
"Papilla" is the name of a body part, but "geographic tongue" is the name of a disease. The National Institutes of Health calls it a "disease".[3]. The Mayo Clinic calls it a "disease".[4] The Diseases Database lists geographic tongue in that database of diseases.[5] The New Zealand Dermatological Society says that it has "no cure",[6] which implies that it’s a disease. DermAtlas lists geographic tongue as a "diagnosis,"[7] which not only implies that it’s a disease, but provides direct evidence that determining that some symptoms are due to geographic tongue is making a diagnosis. You can wrap a post about geographic tongue with a disclaimer that it’s just the name of a body part, but that doesn’t actually turn the phrase into the name of a body part. The name of a body part and the name of a disease are two very different things. And if you list the name of a disease in response to a question about what a symptom is, that’s making a diagnosis. MrRedact 23:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I've shared your post with everyone else and you've made an otherwise very boring day in otolaryngology an enjoyable one. -- kainaw 14:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

David Mortari and Crockfoster (talk · contribs)[edit]

Information.svg Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made: You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

All those templates look like they’ll be very useful, especially if I continue to patrol the new pages like I've recently started doing. Thank you for pointing them out to me! Red Act (talk) 19:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Deletion[edit]

Dear editor thanks for the deletion of একতারা, sorry, unfortuantly I did this, I made a plan to write in Thanks again. --Librarianpmolib (talk) 10:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Bill Clinton's sex scandals[edit]

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AfD nomination of Nancy Shevell[edit]

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Proposed deletion of "Prada Transformer"[edit]

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Yes, "Prada Transformer", with quotes, should be deleted. I created the article with quotes in the title by mistake, and moved the page to Prada Transformer without quotes. But no redirect from the quoted version is needed. However, I believe Prada Transformer, without quotes, does meet notability guidelines. I've added a bunch more external links to big-name sources like Vogue, Vanity Fair, and New York Magazine, so that it's clear that the Prada Transformer has received reasonably wide media coverage, especially within the fashion industry.Red Act (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

"Prada Transformer"[edit]

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This is a fine answer. Best wishes. Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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To Red Act, for consistently good answers at the Reference Desk. Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Restoring questions on the Ref Desk[edit]

Hi Red Act. In the future, if you choose to revert a removal I've made from the Reference Desks, could you drop me a line? It's not something that I tend to do lightly. In that particular case, you were restoring a trolling question posed by a former editor called Light current (talk · contribs). He's been banned for a number of years, based on a truly remarkable amount of disruptive conduct. He comes back periodically – probably while he's on holidays from school – and trolls the Reference Desk. If you watch closely, you'll probably also see him or his socks vandalizing the user and talk pages of a number of admins (including me).

He has created dozens of sockpuppets over the years (and indeed, used GaseousPhasor (talk · contribs) just a little while ago after I blocked his IP). We do our very best to ignore him and deny him recognition, and I'd really appreciate it if you wouldn't feed this particular troll. His IP addresses are uniformly from the Tiscali UK DSL range. (WHOIS says that includes everything from to, but most of the IP addresses I've actually seen Light current use are from the 79.75 pool.)

You may have noticed he was back again today, making childish Uranus puns ([8]). I don't understand him, truth be told. At some times he comes across as having at least a firm undergraduate grasp of electrical and acoustic engineering; at others, he's got the sense of humour and emotional stability of a slightly-dim eight-year-old.

Just thought you'd want to know about what's happening — as a new Ref Desk regular, I'm afraid you're going to see more of Light current than you ever wanted to. Cheers, TenOfAllTrades(talk) 00:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that explains things! I totally misunderstood your “rv light current trolling” edit summary. I had no idea that “light current” was a user name, so I thought that “light” and “current” were adjectives modifying “trolling”. I was puzzled as to what difference it made whether a trolling question was “current” (recent) or had been around awhile. But I took “light” trolling to mean that you considered the question to just be mild trolling, i.e., was a borderline case. Indeed, the initial question, while quite childish, wasn’t all that bad, until the follow-up question turned it into a request for medical advice. Given that I had already started researching an answer before you deleted the question, I didn't figure you'd have any major objection to me restoring the question, since according to my misunderstanding, you considered the question to only be “light” trolling. Red Act (talk) 03:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Before I restored that question, I did check that specific IP address to see what previous posts from that IP address were like, and there were none. So since the original question was childish but not really bad (yet), I figured that restoring the question would be in keeping with assuming good faith and not biting the newbie. Obviously, if I had understood that your edit summary was identifying the user as a known troll, I wouldn’t have restored the question. Red Act (talk) 13:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
No worries. Unfortunately, Tiscali IP addresses generally rotate fairly rapidly, so checking the contribution history seldom gives any useful insight. (They're not quite the mess that AOL used to be, but Tiscali trolls can get a new IP address (apparently) by cycling the power on their modems.) In any case, if you hadn't run across mention of Light current before, I can see how my edit summary could have been a bit opaque. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


I've made this edit, hope you don't mind :) hydnjo (talk) 20:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine. Red Act (talk) 21:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
OK then - see ya 'round the desks! -hydnjo (talk) 21:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Thx for your vandalism reverts on my page.

Peace and Passion   ("I'm listening....") 19:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


I've added the rollback privilege to your account, because it looks like you could use it. Check out Wikipedia:Rollback feature and the linked policy (and practice) pages if you need any guidance on how the tool should be used. If it was too presumptuous of me to flip the bit for you, say the word and I'll turn it off again.

Cheers! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:02, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Red Act (talk) 01:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Work-energy theorem[edit]

Hi Red Act. Today you amended Work (physics) saying the work-energy theorem only applies to rigid bodies. I agree that the work-energy theorem is not immediately applicable to compressible fluids because some or all of the work causes a change in internal energy rather than kinetic energy.

However, I disagree with restricting it to rigid bodies because I believe the work-energy theorem is also applicable to incompressible fluids. If you look at Bernoulli's principle#Derivations of Bernoulli equation you will see that the derivation of the Bernoulli equation for incompressible fluids uses the work-energy theorem, and explicitly mentions the work-energy theorem.

Well, the whole Work (physics) article doesn't say anything at all about fluids, before or after I got to it. The article that discusses work in the context of fluids is Work (thermodynamics), which is the article that presumably would be linked to by the Bernoulli's principle article. Unfortunately, Work (thermodynamics) doesn't say anything at all about the work-energy theorem, which is what that proof in the Bernoulli's principle article needs. I think perhaps the best solution would be to add a discussion of the work-energy theorem as it pertains to fluids into the Work (thermodynamics) article. I think that makes more sense than starting to talk about fluids in the Work (physics) article. Red Act (talk) 01:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't disagree with anything you have written above. In particular, I'm pleased to see we are in agreement about the value of a discussion of the work-energy theorem as it pertains to fluids. However, elsewhere you wrote The work-energy theorem only applies to rigid bodies. Are we now agreed that the work-energy theorem does not only apply to rigid bodies? Dolphin51 (talk) 02:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, a version of the work-energy theorem applies to fluid dynamics under appropriate circumstances. My comment you're quoting was part of an edit summary for an edit to Work (physics), which only discusses single, solid objects. The point of my comment was that in the context of a single, solid object, that object needs to be rigid for the work-energy theorem to apply. I wasn't intending for my comment to have broader applicability than in the context in which it was used. Red Act (talk) 03:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
That clarifies your position. I agree with your recent edit.
Any thoughts on the question at Talk:Work (physics)#A question for all Wiki physicists? Dolphin51 (talk) 04:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I am also a bit concerned about your answer on the reference desk. The work energy theorem as well as applying to newtonian inviscid fluids also applies to the standard treatment of flexible chains and many multiple body systems. I have tried to be diplomatic in pointing this out. --BozMo talk 07:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
See the reference desk question for a citation to a textbook problem that explicitly points out that the work-energy theorem does not apply to the rope problem in question. Red Act (talk) 11:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Only according to how you have formulated it. --BozMo talk 13:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Incidentally I do understand the principle behind what you are saying. If you imagine a weight at the top of the rope the problem does look a lot like an inelastic collision between that weight and the segment of rope being accelerated. However attractive this conceptual picture is however it fudges the join with the table to make it hard to recognise any meaningful situation. --BozMo talk 13:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll reply sometime today on the reference desk. I think it makes more sense to continue the discussion there than here, so that anyone following the issue there can see the various considerations that go into it. I mean, this is just a calm debate about the finer points of a physics problem, not some flaming religious argument or something like that that needs to be taken off-page. Red Act (talk) 13:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Well I am not flaming anyway. But there are different people in different places on it. If you think very hard about the element of rope which has just unwound you realise it is not just travelling upwards at v it also has to be travelling along the rope at v to keep up with the join in the coil. So at that instantaneous its kinetic energy is double what I think you said... --BozMo talk 15:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming[edit]

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Needle in a haystack[edit]

I just read your paragraph to me in the midst of a bigger discussion. I'm sorry about the circumstance you're describing. If you had e-mail enabled, I would have written to you personally. Would you like to send me e-mail, so I have your address? Your reply also has interesting aspects for my little essay; maybe we could move the message there? That would be a place where some added discussion would make at least one well-intended editor happy - me. ;-) — Sebastian 17:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I think I'm going to take a bit of a wikibreak. I'll get in touch with you or respond to your message or whatever when I "get back". Red Act (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I understand. Have a good holiday season! — Sebastian 20:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)    (I may not be watching this page anymore. If you would like to continue the conversation, please do so here and let me know.)
I am going to resume editing after a Wikibreak. Hope you will do same. Edison (talk) 03:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm back from my wikibreak, to the extent that I'll be editing Wikipedia again. But I'm not really interested in furthering the earlier discussion, and for now, at least, I'll just be editing other parts of Wikipedia. Red Act (talk) 06:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Rephrased response on RD/S[edit]

Hi Red Act. I found your reply to the "Is there anything Ellen Page couldn't do that another human being could do?" question over on WP:RD/S fascinating, and was quite disappointed that it was removed for WP:BLP concerns. I hope that you don't mind that I restored the question and you response, rewording them slightly to avoid mention of any specific living individual. -- (talk) 04:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't mind in the least, in fact, I think what you did was excellent. You may have found a way to save the baby from being thrown out with the bathwater. Hopefully others will find the reworked thread acceptable. Thank you! Red Act (talk) 06:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


Hello Red Act. Thanks for your excellent detective work on the trail of LC. In September 2010 there were a couple of postings on the Science Reference Desk that were almost certainly from LC, but not from his traditional IP addresses. They were:

diff 1 from (This post was reverted a couple of times but restored both times by the original author.)
diff 2 from

A later posting on this thread came from one of LC’s traditional IP addresses,, and confirms the original posting was from the same person. See diff 3. Dolphin (t) 02:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to make of that. It's not only a different ISP in a different country, but I don't think LC ever uses an apostrophe in "n't" contractions, so the correct spelling of "aren't" and "couldn't" in's post doesn't look like LC's typing. Maybe LC has a friend in Spain that he was using as a meatpuppet? Red Act (talk) 05:19, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts. Good luck with the task. Dolphin (t) 06:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Reference Desk Removal[edit]

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David Ogden Stiers[edit]

I see you were involved in this matter back in 2009. It's flaired up again. Could you add any perspective to the discussion? Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard# Revisiting the labelling of David Ogden Stiers as gay   Will Beback  talk  02:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Short-term memory[edit]

I know you undid your edit, I thought I'd comment anyway. I wasn't aware I was asking for medical advice. I asked because the Wiki article on short-term memory says nothing about regaining memory recall once its gone, so I wondered if that was because it was impossible. Apologies if it comes across as asking for medical advice, it is after 1am here! -- roleplayer 00:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure if it's a problem or not, which is why I undid my edit, and brought it up on the talk page.[13] Red Act (talk) 00:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Peter Warne[edit]

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