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DYK nomination of Periyachi[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Periyachi at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Storye book (talk) 15:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Did you know#Periyachi[edit]

Please check the article Periyachi, I have copyedited it. --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Redtiger, I checked it. It's needs checking over by a native speaker of English. If I do it, I can't review it (or I'll be reviewing my own work). I suggest that you get a native English speaker to put it right, then I'll review it. Cheers.--Storye book (talk) 15:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I copyedited it now. So please check if there are missing words or typos as before. The text is not exceptional, but now sticks to grammar IMO. --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for making the effort. Sorry, it's still problematic, and it still requires a native speaker of English to put it right.--Storye book (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi Tiger!

I can get to work today. My wife and I are looking for a new place to live, this morning, but I am expecting to be able to get to Iravan after that. Other projects are mostly where I was hoping they'd be.

See you soon at the article space! :)

Cheers Alastair Haines (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Sorry, Redtiger. I don't read or write Tamil. I only speak Tamil at home, typical of Karanataka Iyengars.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Tiger!
There are excellent sources regarding the text history of the Mahabharata within India.
I will read the review comments before working on that section.
There is a technical difference between "editions" of the Mahabharata in Sanskrit, and "versions" in other languages.
There is an even more important consideration, given that famous Bengali versions, like the Javanese versions, have some very important differences in style.
Text history of ancient writings is rather a specialty of mine. I'm eager to learn more about this aspect of the Mahabharata.
Don't worry, as far as "development of the story" goes, I know the right questions, and I can recognize reliable sources of answers. I'm also very comfortable to report, where it is true, that certain questions have no known answers. This is certainly true of some aspects of transmission of the Mahabharata.
Going out to see Alice in Wonderland with my wonderful wife, who was born ... can you guess? ... how about this? ... she was born ... on Java! :))
See you soon, friend. Alastair Haines (talk) 06:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Tiger!
I think the article is already in a sufficiently advanced revision to benefit from nominating for FA already.
As you know, FA is a process, which involves making changes to satisfy all interested parties that FA is appropriate, changes are always needed.
I haven't quite finished with copyediting or expanding a little on Tamil versions of the Mbh. But I don't think my work there is necessary for FA, and can continue, during and after the FA process anyway.
If you would like to nominate on Wednesday, I'm happy with that, and might be finished by then anyway.
Regarding the references: van Buitenen, Sukthankar and Supomo are all cited in full in the Bibliography.
I simply followed your request for uniformity across references, which is why you might have missed the data I normally place twice: once in a footnote, then again in a bibliographic entry.
Alastair Haines (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
He, he, you didn't offend me at all. :)
Calling me Alastair on article talk pages is best, 'cause it doesn't exclude others, I agree.
On my page, though, it is me who would be honoured if you felt comfortable with the informal (and easier to type), Al.
I get to call you Tiger, so it's only fair! ;)
Alastair Haines (talk) 06:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Iravan#References: 3rd is Buitenen, 4th from end is Supomo. I've added Sukthankar, I was sure I'd included him before, but that is fixed now. Alastair Haines (talk) 06:16, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
"van" in Dutch, like German "von" means "of". It is an essential part of the name, like "Mac" or "Mc" in Scottish names (compare McDonald's). In Irish there is O', like in O'Connor or O' Connor. In Hebrew there is "ben" and Arabic "ibn". There are different conventions in publishing regarding how such names are listed in Bibliographies. There are three options
for Gerhard von Rad:
  1. Rad, Gerhard von, OR
  2. Von Rad, Gerhard, OR
  3. von Rad, Gerhard BUT NOT
  • Rad, Gerhard.
I prefer option 1, because surnames are one word and imply "from the family of". Alastair Haines = Alastair from the family of the Haineses. But it is perfectly fine to think of surnames as two "ideas", the first being hidden in the vast majority of names, but explicit in others. One problem is "van" and "von" are not normally spelled with capitals. Another issue is ancient writers who had no surname, but are designated by where they lived.
  1. Clement, of Alexandria
  2. Clement, of Rome
Very often, in German especially, "von" designates a region rather than a father. The "von" is very much part of the whole name, but not the key part of the surname.
It's your article, and I'm happy if you choose any of the three options above for van Buitenen. Alastair Haines (talk) 06:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

The problem with Supomo is that the text I consulted was reproduced online, without page numbers. The link is with the reference, and a reader can verify from that link. I might be able to track down a hard copy at Sydney University library, but I'm not planning to visit in the next week. Alastair Haines (talk) 07:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

A link to a National Library of Australia list of three citation forms for one of our author's books:
APA Citation
  • Buitenen, J. A. B. van 1959 Tales of ancient India / translated from the Sanskrit by J.A.B. van Buitenen University of Chicago Press, Chicago
MLA Citation
  • Buitenen, J. A. B. van Tales of ancient India / translated from the Sanskrit by J.A.B. van Buitenen University of Chicago Press, Chicago : 1959
Australian Citation
  • Buitenen, J. A. B. van 1959, Tales of ancient India / translated from the Sanskrit by J.A.B. van Buitenen University of Chicago Press, Chicago
Alastair Haines (talk) 07:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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Ah! I tried to avoid creating white space, some of that depends on browsers. But I'd agree, any white space, in anyone's browser is out. I would like to work on a solution that doesn't lead to white space, though. Placing those Districts on a map will help readers (and reviewers a lot). It will help me too! ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I've looked at nearly everything. I have four jobs left: Boons, Kuttantavar rituals, Draupadi rituals and standardising footnotes (which I think I've messed up). I think village names with redlinks should probably be unlinked. I don't mind personally, but villages are not necessarily notable (I think). Alastair Haines (talk) 08:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

The Goddess[edit]

Hiltebeitel (1988) everywhere uses lower case for goddess. He first uses the word in the second sentence of the article, without the referent of the word being explicit. The following sentence makes it fairly, but not absolutely, clear that he intends Kali, or so we must assume, without any other designation being offered in closer context.

Hiltebeitel also uses the word goddess at the end of the introduction, presumably to refer again to Kali, though, as the next section will show, battlefield sacrifices to goddesses are not all to Kali in Tamil traditions.

The Tamil goddess of victory, Karravai, has already been assimilated to Kali by the time the earliest surviving Tamil texts were enscribed. (I might note that Karravai does not seem so very linguistically distinct from Kali, but that is my own point of view, and I'm not an expert on Indic languages.) Hiltebeitel, intriguingly refers to Kali by her association with Durga at this point in his discussion. In other words, he is forshadowing the drift his own argument will take, that the Tamil traditions might be evidence that historic development was something like this:

  1. very early in Indian history men performed blood-letting sacrifices, prior to battle, to a supreme mother Goddess
  2. in some traditions this blood-letting was extrapolated all the way to being a ritual human sacrifice
  3. tradition also came to conceive of the supreme mother Goddess having an avatar as the goddess of victory
  4. this avatar was known as Durga in Sanskrit and Karravai in Tamil
  5. perhaps this happened independently, since it is so natural to develop the general form of a mother Goddess as incorporating a specific victory goddess
  6. in Sanskrit, the goddess Kali later became associated with the victory goddess Durga
  7. Karravai, then, is only indirectly associated with the Sanskrit goddess Kali, but more properly with a mother Goddess native to Tamil traditions

That, I think, is Hiltebeitel's rather plausible hypothesis. He doesn't assert it as fact. He even refers to Mahadevi or Devi Mahatmyam as "goddess" with a lower case "g". Partly, one might imagine, because such a goddess is not the Only Deity in the traditions of her devotees, she is also consort of a supreme male god.

I should probably mention that Wikipedia articles dealing with "primal goddesses" have a good deal of material sourced on books expressing only one kind of opinion, a minority and very old opinion. Addressing this question requires us to do our own research, identifying the existence of multiple points of view in the process. Hiltebeitel, obviously holds a different view, at least regarding typography, to Thomas B. Coburn. The idea that humanity once was matriarchal with a supreme feminine deity has long been dismissed. See Cynthia Eller, The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory, for an example of a recent anthropologist dealing with some of the issues. Encyclopedia Britannica will confirm that she represents a "consensus" (Britannica's word) of modern anthropologists.

I'll add more about Hiltebeitel's view into the relevant section, so we explicitly include reference to early Tamil traditions of a Supreme Mother Goddess, however, I will also follow his typography. I trust his wide and deep familiartiy with secondary interdisciplinary sources, as well as his great knowledge of primary sources. Alastair Haines (talk) 07:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes Tiger. Today, now in fact. Sorry for the delays. Alastair Haines (talk) 06:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Woohoo, Tiger! Thanks for calling me Al! In Australia, that feel's like the respect of friendship. Perfect!
Got to say, as always, I'm loving your work, and enjoying the article. Back to the enjoyable work right now. Alastair Haines (talk) 06:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I have finished with footnotes, finished with boons, and will soon finish Kuttantavar.
Once I have finished Kuttantavar, I have finished everything! :))
I'll leave a note here soon, once I'm happy. Alastair Haines (talk) 16:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Okie dokie! :)))
Friend, I'm finding it hard to work out what is meant in one sentence.
"At noon his chariot turns north, a symbolizing his kalappali facing the ceremonial Kurukshetra battle-field and his entry onto the battlefield to die at the hands of Alambusha."
Could this read as follows.
"At noon his chariot turns north, facing the ceremonial Kurukshetra battle-field, a symbolic gesture representing both his kalappali and his entry onto the battlefield to die at the hands of Alambusha."
Please help. Alastair Haines (talk) 17:17, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Great! Yes, I worked it out, I think. First he is turned North, for the kalappali; second he is turned to face the battlefiend which is where he is going! I think that makes sense.
If that is correct, then we are done!!!
Great work! Well done! Looking forward to hearing what people think. :)) Alastair Haines (talk) 18:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Iravan FAC[edit]

I have added the page to my watchlist. Looking forward to some people generously offering to read and comment on the article. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 02:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Images in Themes in Avatar[edit]

Hi Redtigerxyz. Since you asked the question regarding hi-res images in Themes in Avatar, I got a bit perplexed and started having second thoughts about them. Looks like there is a conflict of policies here. Both BM and V&A limit even their low resolution images to strictly non-commercial web sites. However, Wiki does not consider images released for strictly non-commercial purposes to be acceptable in its articles. Still we have lots of such images from BM, V&A and other museums being used on Wiki. May I ask you for a clarification, as well as for for an objective and impartial assessment and advice on the propriety of the use of these hi-res files that I have uploaded: File:Lord Rama with arrows.jpg, File:Krishna_dancing_on_a_lotus,_c1825.jpg, and File:Krishna_raising_Mount_Govardhan,_Bhagavata_Purana,ca_1640.jpg. I do not want myslef or Wiki to run into any issues with them. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 04:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi. I didn't review this one for DYK, thinking you'd probably prefer that I copyedited it for English language instead. I have done that, and the nomination now awaits review by someone else.--Storye book (talk) 14:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome.--Storye book (talk) 15:03, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Commons query[edit]

There are two potential copyrights in these images: 1) The original work and 2) the scan/photograph thereof. The originals are, of course, in the public domain due to age. Regarding the latter, the United States has case law (Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.) which determined that exact photographic copies of public domain images are ineligible for copyright protection.

As V&A is in the U.K., U.S. case law is irrelevant and non-applicable to them (i.e. their statement is not copyfraud; in fact, the U.K. has case law which seems to take the opposite position of Bridgeman). However, because Wikimedia servers are located in Florida, it has been determined that only U.S. law shall apply to files hosted thereon (thus the warning "Please be aware that depending on local laws, re-use of this content may be prohibited or restricted in your jurisdiction" on the PD-Art license). So, the V&A response provided by Cinosaur is not necessarily wrong, it's merely one not supported by U.S. case law (and would thus be considered non-applicable to Wikimedia-hosted files). Although I don't personally agree with this stance, it's not my decision to make and PD-Art tags for these images would indeed be considered valid.

Regarding Iravan, my understanding is that alt text is no longer an explicit featured article requirement. I've also never reviewed it, so someone like Eubulides would likely be more knowledgeable and helpful than I. If you'd like me to check sourcing, etc. instead, I'd be happy to do so. Эlcobbola talk 16:06, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

A sincere thank you from Wikiproject Good Articles[edit]

GA Sweeps Medal.png

On behalf of Wikiproject Good Articles, I would like to express our gratitude to you for your contributions to the Sweeps process. Completion of this monstrous task has proven to be a significant accomplishment not only for our project, but for Wikipedia. As a token of our sincere appreciation, please accept this ribbon. Lara 01:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. --Redtigerxyz Talk 12:32, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Congrats, Redtiger. Very well done. You have to help me archive my talk page (I still don't know how). I am reading your lovely article on Irvan. You should post it to FAC. It should make it. I will let you if any changes are required. A I am trying to find references for the Chittaurgarh Fort artcile to comply with GA review. I will revert to you for help when I get some good references. GA for Deogarh, Uttarpradesh has finally gone through. --Nvvchar (talk) 13:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 14:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I've given the GA nomination a copyedit. It could still do with some fresh eyes though. I also have an issue with some of the information in the final paragraph as addressed on the talk page. Regards. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Toniná GA review[edit]

Hi Redtigerxyz, I've done some further work on the Toniná article, and I'd appreciate it if you could take another look. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes I expanded the Bobby Deol article. I'm back permanently under this account now. Keep up the great work with the good article candidacies, we need more editors like you improving quality as this is the most important!! Yes I created the infobox pre colombian site a short while ago. They should all be filled out like Zaculeu though. I've inserted them into all the sites but have hidden them until Simon or Thelma can fill them out. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Give me a list of parameters you want added to Template:Infobox Mandir and I'll update it for you. Obviously I'll be adding a pushpin map to it . Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I've updated the infobox. You'll have to sort out updating the current infoboxes with these parameters though or organize a bot to do it. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Updates have been made. There you go, see Mumba Devi Temple. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Periyachi[edit]

Updated DYK query On March 31, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Periyachi, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 17:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kavyamata[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 2, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kavyamata, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

GA for Sharabha and Elephanta Caves[edit]

Thanks for the Lenyadri GA. Can I also include it in my list of GA? I was out of station and hence could not react immediately. As regards Sharabha, I have also requested Dr. Bloefeld for copy edit. He has already done it. But he has some observations on the last para of the talk page. As regards, Elephanta Caves, I think we should post on the Editors Guild page for copyeidting. What do you say?--Nvvchar (talk) 13:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. You can add a little more detail about the other features in brief on the emblem pictured, as long as it doesn't go into a detailed narrative. I'll try to look at Elephanta caves if not this evening, over the weekend. Regards Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

One minor thing. You mention that in the Kalika Purana, Vishnu’s boar avatar, Varaha, had "relations" with the earth goddess Prithvi, who bore him three boar sons, creating mayhem in the world. However you then say "This necessitated Shiva to take the form of Sharabha, to kill the Varaha form. Even Vishnu is said to have requested that Shiva destroy Varaha, unable to control his own form.". What happened to the three boar sons. Were they killed too? Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. Chittorgarh Fort needs a lot of citations. I'll try to copy edit that and Elephanta over the weekend Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I thought Chittorgarh Fort was currently under GA nomination. I only realised last night that it had already been proposed and failed. I'm taking it easy today. It might not be until Monday that I look at the Elephanta. Elephanta is next to look at for me, I think Chittorgarh Fort needs quite a lot of work still.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all the effort in taking it to GA. I did not want to interfere when you were already on the job. As regards, Chittaurgarh Fort, I will come back after I find some good reference books. --Nvvchar (talk) 06:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Congrats on Elephanta passing GA! I'll look at Chamba then next, tonight. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure although I also have Ambrosden at GA review on hold and it needs to be fleshed out. Its GA quality but needs to be made emuch more comprehesnive and detailed. I've asked Nvvchar to help me write it. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I have pitched in with some extra text in the lead of Sharabha. Take a look.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Howz this now?. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Request to user Redtigerxyz[edit]

Haribol! Kindly contact me urgently at: TECWRITES@AUSI.COM/TECWRITES@GMAIL.COM

Tecwrites (talk) 06:47, 4 April 2010 (UTC) Thanks, regards in HariBhakti regd. user: tecwrites Sunday, Apr/04/2010

User Redtigerxyz,

Seems you're a "Hindu".....

Your articles/contributions are valuable, but incorrect, becasue of the use of serious misnomers and incorrect ontological truths. Seriously disappointed with this attitude of yours especially, since our goal is simply "Vedic" and we actually spend time, money to do all this non-profit in the mood of pure Bhakti.

We are a Vedic group and found most information written here, in the "Hindu" style, not suited to the original, Higher ontological Vedic standard. We decline to be accepted in the lower consciousness of "Hindus" - a racial slur by invaders on Bharata Desa.

We have almost decided to launch our own Vedic site for the sake of clarity and purity, seprately online and our books are already in print.

Seriously disappointed with your dominant, controlling attitude. We're not "Hindu", sorry. Tecwrites (talk) 04:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC) tecwrites —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tecwrites (talkcontribs) 04:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Your edits are original research in terms of Wikipedia policy. The "Correct Vedic terms" you use have no support in by WP:Reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, a battleground, or a vehicle for propagand. I hope your future edits will adhere to Wikipedia policy. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 12:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

We've moved on. Wikipedia seems a good option for "Hindus" with the usual multitude of misnomers and errors...not for us, thanks! The Esoteric and Supreme Vedas, which we provide and that's a high IQ ballgame not for the fainthearted..

Sorry, your edits are seriously low "material" Hindu IQ and disappointing, for a start. Whatever spiritual IQ is present, ain't visible to us......for "spirituality" is a symptom of Higher Consciousness!

Good luck, an upgrade of your own consciousness to Kevalam Uttam Bhakti should maybe, after many Janmas give you a second set of real eyes!!

Tecwrites (talk) 12:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


We already have the Supreme's! We respect all Jivas, but a Kali-Yuga pathetic attitude like yours, NO, NO!!!

From our family member, Prof. Dr.Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan's Srimad Bhagavad Gita (Bhisma Parva, Mahabharata), more accurate than most Sampradayas.

CHAPTER 9, TEXT 31 ksipram bhavati dharmatma sasvac-chantim nigacchati kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati

WORD-TO-WORD ksipram--very soon; bhavati--becomes; dharma-atma--righteous; sasvat-santim--lasting peace; nigacchati--attains; kaunteya--O son of Kunti; pratijanihi--justly declare; na--never; me--Mine; bhaktah--devotees; pranasyati--perishes.

TRANSLATION He quickly becomes righteous and attains lasting peace. O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My Bhakta never perishes.

Tecwrites (talk) 13:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC) Hopefully, Bhakti will change your heart and clean up your spiritual ignorance in some future Janma, if you somehow manage to get a human birth, that is!! tecwrites

Thanks :-)[edit]

Thanks a lot for your barnstar! :-) -The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 14:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Morgaon Ganesha temple[edit]

The article Morgaon Ganesha temple you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Morgaon Ganesha temple for things which need to be addressed. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 15:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Copán GA nom[edit]

Thanks for your comments re. the Copán GA nom. I've responded to each, in some cases with further queries/explanations. I'd appreciate it if you could respond on the review page. Many thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 20:16, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Taman Sari (Yogyakarta) recheck please[edit]

Can you check the current condition of the article again please. I improved some references in the article. You've also requested for a more specific page number for Y. Groneman reference, unfortunately I'm still looking for it. Can you mention other things that need to be improved? Thank you for your previous comments, edit and help. :) --Rochelimit (talk) 21:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

GA for Sharabha[edit]

Congrats and thanks too for GA.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Iravan Map[edit]

Hi, The map can be created, however for the inset version as seen in Tamil nadu infobox, we may need to tweak a template or create a new template by copying the code in the infobox template. (Its just two images placed one top of another) Will get back in few days. --TheMandarin (talk) 03:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I am struck bcos of the differences in the wikipedia maps and Hiltebeitel's map; The states of Coimbatore,Salem, South Arcot and North Arcot are not precisely as depicted by Hiltebietel! I think he was referring to some older version of the map with combined states. I can do an approximate work, but I think this will be erroneous here and there. Let me know if you want me to proceed. --TheMandarin (talk) 15:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Bahu Fort[edit]

You may like to add to this article here User:Nvvchar/sandbox/Saptha Badri and post it on DYK. I will be away till 10th. Don't wait for me to post it on mainspace and on DYK. I took pictures of the fort during my recent visit to Jammu. Photographys inside the fort is strictly prohibited and hence no pictures of the temple. Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 09:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Christian meditation GA nom[edit]

Hi. I nominated Christian meditation at the request of User:History2007 who wasn't sure how to nominate an article - any queries etc. should be directed to that user's talk page. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Redtigerxyz, I am impressed by the details you worked through on the article. Most of the issues can be handled in a few days, so I will do that soon. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

GA Taman Sari[edit]

Hi. Is it possible to extend the review period by 1 week? Alas, I'm really busy this week which makes it unpleasant to edit the wiki article. Any suggestion for this?--Rochelimit (talk) 16:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dhumavati[edit]

The article Dhumavati you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but it needs a thorough copy-edit. If this is fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Dhumavati for things which need to be addressed. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 13:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I was busy with another article, but am planning to fix that on Monday and Tuesday. I think the deadline is Wed or Thursday. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 17:20, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


Could you take a look at my edit of Parvati? Thanks — goethean 01:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for reviewing Eurasian Crag Martin - the good news is there are three more crag martins to come (: Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


I've nominated both Thikse Monastery and Mahamuni Buddha Temple for GA. Further improvements would be most welcome. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pitru Paksha[edit]

The article Pitru Paksha you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Pitru Paksha for things which need to be addressed. S Masters (talk) 09:23, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure it is comprehensive enough? Chamba, Himachal Pradesh passed GA BTW. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

OK. Can you help copyedit Bobby Deol. The article is naturally structured in that way as 2000s makes up 80% of his career. There isn't much to say about his personal life either that isn't magazine/tabloid cruft. Dr. Blofeld White cat

The reason I tagged the inauspicious part is because that isn't immediately obvious to a non-Hindu. It leaves me wondering why this is and who considers it so. It comes across as very vague. I think you should at least give short explanation in the sentence, considered by Hindus to be an inauspicious ceremony give its death rites. This would solve the issue. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Solved it. What exactly though do you mean by "The scriptures preach that a householder propitiate ancestors (Pitris), along with the gods (devas), ghosts (bhutas) and guests". That a householder propitiate ancestor. I don't understand. Can you reword this? Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Prose is looking better now one clarification, a who and cite required now. As for Deol, well I don't really know what I can do about it. If you do a google search you'll see what I mean. These people lack decent sources, 90% of those covering them are blogs, fan sites or uncredible entertainment sites. I'm restricted enough as it is with the sources. I'm not sure how it could be improved other than minor copyediting...

Also, is it possible to fin an image related to Pitru Paksha on flickr. If you can find one, even if copyrighted, let me know and I'll request useage. Or it is forbidden for religious purposes to have an image? Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Two requests have been sent. BTW, if there are any specific photos you want from any of the sets in ask kas bluechip. He provided some images for Chamba and said he'd be willing to help wherever he can. So if you need photos of temples, villages, rivers or whatever say you are a friend of the Chamba article writers on wikipedia and that you request some images for article use. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I've had a reply. The user said he would upload an image to wikipedia. But I'm unconvinced he will, I guess we'll have to wait and see. oh in seeing photos I see is seems to be a custom for the men to shave their heads during the event. Perhaps you could mention this? Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

He has posted a pic to me via twitter. I'll upload it shortly. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I've emailed you the link, it was given privately so I'd rather not post it here, Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:01, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

OTRS is a darned nuisance. I asked him to state released under the following license next to the image. I'll get somebody then to authorise it later if he can do this and display the approved at given date and stamp. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I reuploaded in commons linking to the permission statement given on the page. I am now just waiting for a commons admin to authorise it to be on the safe side. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:43, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Image should now be safe. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


Wow! I'd love to work on an article with you right from the start. This one might take a bit of work and not be very large, but I'm keen to get the thesis in the references out from Syndey Uni library, and it should give tons of info and more references.

My main concerns are that I have some other priorities first, but I recall that you were going to become busier too.

Let's stay in touch about that article, I'll help you as much as I can, but a bit slowly. But, if I'm able to put more time into it, I'll let you know, and ask you for help with sources and local knowledge.

I spent hours yesterday reading about archaeology in South India, and a lot of cultural material as well. The Sangam poems are something I should read before completing my own thesis, and I haven't read them yet. I will have to read them in translation, though, because there's no way I can learn enough Tamil before completing my work.

Sorry I got so distracted yesterday and today. I'll be back to Iravan very soon. Alastair Haines (talk) 13:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Yajna (avatar)[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 12, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yajna (avatar), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 16:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Christian meditation[edit]

Hi, I fixed what I think will help a user in that article. What I did not fix, e.g. ref formats I do not see as making a big difference in the world. I learned a few things in the process, e.g. built the page on Francisco de Osuna. But I think the article is good enough for me now, and any additional effort will not make a difference to Wikipedia readers at large. Thanks for your input. History2007 (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC) Hi, Actually, I am not sure why Wikipedia insists on details beyond ISBN for books. The ISBN uniquely identifies a book far better than anything else, and it can be looked up immediately online. History2007 (talk) 06:49, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I think Author, Book name, year and ISBN is enough. But who am I? Anyway, thanks for your help. History2007 (talk) 17:15, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. History2007 (talk) 13:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

funerary art fac[edit]

  • Please see this. Thanks. • Ling.Nut 06:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Redtigerxyz. Thanks for the kind words. The best way to say what you wanted to say would be, "Good luck with your nom" or something similar. Thanks again! • Ling.Nut 04:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot[edit]

Thank you for this edit. I almost forgot and when I remembered it was already done :) Hekerui (talk) 12:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. --Redtigerxyz Talk 12:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Eurasian Crag Martin[edit]

Thanks for finding the image and for reviewing the article. I've responded on the FAC page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Please do take a moment to very carefully and thoroughly read WP:SUMMARY[edit]

Dear Redtigerxyz: Thank you for your FAC review of Funerary art. Unfortunately, in my opinion at least, you are forcing me to uglify the article by repeated and wholly unnecessary cites to WP:TERTIARY sources such as Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of World Religions and Encyclopedia Britannica. The reason I am forced to recourse to other encyclopedias — and I want to stress that doing so is clearly unnecessary — is that the facts you have {{fact}} tagged are common knowledge. Think about it: if a sweeping statement is made that takes place within highly populated cities, across an entire century (see the bit about churchyards) during a period of well-recorded history, doesn't it seem extremely likely that the fact would be common knowledge? Please do take a moment to very carefully and thoroughly read WP:SUMMARY, remove your FACT and OR tags, and permit me to remove these ugly cites to other encyclopedias. Thank you for your time and trouble. • Ling.Nut 07:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you again for your time and trouble. • Ling.Nut 09:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


I have reviewed the article Chhinnamasta, which you nominated as a Good article. I have cleaned up a few things (consistant references, punctuation in image captions etc) and there is only one thing left that is stopping me from passing the article. Under the heading Symbolism and associations, a sentence starts "A commentator prescribes her worship..." This wording is vague, which breaches the Words to avoid policy. It needs to state who the commentator was (or at least who originally mentioned the commentator and in what context). The reference given for the paragraph, Kinsley (1997, p. 155), is a page not available through Google Books, so I cannot fix this myself. For now, I am putting the review on hold pending the resolution of this problem. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

With that fixed, I have passed this review and listed Chhinnamasta on Wikipedia:Good articles. AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pitru Paksha[edit]

The article Pitru Paksha you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Pitru Paksha for eventual comments about the article. Well done! S Masters (talk) 10:46, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar and congratulations!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Legacy of Pedro II of Brazil[edit]

Hello! I saw that you've added a tag to Legacy of Pedro II of Brazil. Could you tell me why? The article can not have the opinion of historians or I should only take a small piece of each one and write in one text only? Thank you for your time. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 13:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Now I've got it. Thank you very much! --Lecen (talk) 13:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mohini[edit]

The article Mohini you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Mohini for eventual comments about the article. Well done! S Masters (talk) 14:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thank you very much for the barnstar. It is, as always, appreciated. I do, however, need a break from all the Hinduism articles. Thanks, again. NielsenGW (talk) 18:10, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

non-free 9/11 image in Themes in Avatar[edit]

Redtigerxyz, thanks for your comments on the FA nomination. Regarding your concern with the non-free image of 9/11 in Themes in Avatar — we have gone back and forth on this one and finally concluded that none of the free images would illustrate the visual similarity accurately enough for the article. However, I have found this image, which appears to be in public domain and will work visually even better. May I run it and its rationale by you before using it in the article as the replacement? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 08:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. However, if this image is free is not so clear. See here Cinosaur (talk) 16:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Eurasian Crag Martin[edit]

I noted your concerns at the FAC about comprehensiveness. User Ucucha helpfully conducted a literature search using archiving systems to which I do not have access. Although he found 172 papers, only three had new material significant enough to merit inclusion (first record of crag martin in Sweden, a parasitic fly in Switzerland, and a flea in China). Does this address your concerns about criteria 1b and 1c? I can't really think what else I can do. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:08, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

many thanks for revisiting. I'll have to do a bit more reviewing myself - i see there's another rice rat at FAC (: Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Sannaysa and Householder[edit]

Yes, you are correct in asserting in the Shiva article that sannaysa and householder positions have been mutually exclusive but I qualify it with the adjective, "Traditionally mutually exclusive." But there are exceptions. The seven rishis such as Agastya have been married yet have integrated traditional sannyasa roles such as meditation, etc. Raj2004 (talk) 22:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Architecture of Karnataka[edit]

Thanks for the compliments. I must also thank you for goading me to nominate articles on GAN. I have now touched a figure of 18, in many of which we are co-authors. Your article on Kabandha is superb. Congrats.--Nvvchar (talk) 15:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it weird how perceptions can differ. Did you see this. Jezwells degraded it to start class and thinks it is of low importance to India and has said the articxle is very poorly written. Personally I think he is being a little harsh and even if not GA quality yet is certainly B class and of mid importance in my book, I fully agree with you. it can be nominated for GA once copyedited and referenced fixed. I think he was a little rude don't you? Not the first time, I just noticed it was he who failed Thikse also with some pretty harsh commentss. I think he must dislike us or our editing. Neither articles are written "very badly". He is most certainly exaggerating. I dislike some of his patronising comments as if we are newbies too. He is doing a great job with reviewing that many GAs but no need to be quite like that. Even the article he passed about your temple he was still criticising the writing. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

it looks to as if[edit]

you just removed an image from Irving Kane Pond. The image was published in 1912 which makes it copyright free in the USA. What would you think about returning it? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Carptrash (talk) 17:50, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
It was published in 1937 and is tagged as fair use, which is invalid. --Redtigerxyz Talk 04:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. I got tangled up and thought that it was another of the pictures. Yes, LIFE in the 1930s is a problem. Was a problem. Carptrash (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kabandha[edit]

The article Kabandha you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Kabandha for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Pyrotec (talk) 21:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Ati Konanayakar[edit]

Hello, I have completed the above article, if you have time do take a look. Thanks Kanatonian (talk) 18:23, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Ganesh Pic[edit]

Thanks for adding the Lalbaug pioc to Ganesh Chaturthi - can u pl mention the yr as well (juz to point out tht ther is a new idol every yr!). Regards, Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 20:33, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde poster.png[edit]

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde poster edit2.jpg
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde poster edit2.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 03:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Question on redirs[edit]

I had doubt on redirects, can you share your thoughts here? --TheMandarin (talk) 10:45, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

GA nomination of Irving Kane Pond[edit]

Hi. I'm going to try to work my way through the balance of your comments tonight and tomorrow night. Thanks for the helpful feedback. Cbl62 (talk) 00:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I think I covered everything. If there's anything I missed, let me know. And thanks for your help in improving the article. Pond was a fascinating character, and this was one of the articles on which I most enjoyed working. Cbl62 (talk) 06:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kabandha[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Wolf: A Journey Home/archive1[edit]

Hi, I just wanted to touch base to see if your concerns/questions had been answered and if you could consider making a more formal support or oppose? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

It's not always necessary to support/oppose. --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


I invite you to comment at Talk:Somnath#Merge proposal for Prabhas Patan-- WorLD8115(TalK) 14:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Hinduism Template[edit]

Note for you on Template talk:Hinduism - Naveen Sankar (talk) 07:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your participation in the April 2010 GAN backlog elimination drive[edit]

GAN backlog elimination drives chart up to 1 May

On behalf of my co-coordinator Wizardman, I'd like to especially thank you for your efforts over this past month's GAN backlog elimination drive. It has been nothing short of a complete success, which hopefully results in more expedient good article reviews, increasing users' confidence in the good article nomination processes. Even if you made just a small contribution, it still helped contribute to the success of this drive. Here is what we have accomplished this last month in this drive.

  • 661 total nominations were reviewed. 541 of them passed (~81.8%), 97 (~14.7%) failed, and 23 (~3.5%) ended on hold.
  • The WP:GAN page started at 110,126 bytes length on 1 April and ended at 43,387 bytes length at the end of 30 April (a 66,739 byte reduction in the page, about 60.6% less).
  • Excluding extremes, the longest wait for someone's GAN to be review was about 11.5 weeks at the beginning. (I mistook the figure when I reported to the Signpost that it was 13.) At the end, with the exception of one that was relisted, the longest wait is now at 10 days.
  • 63 different users participated, each having completed at least one GAN, with others also having helped out behind-the-scenes in making the drive a success.
  • The drive started with 463 GA nominations remaining and 388 unreviewed. At the end of the month, we ended with 89 remaining (374 or about 80.8% less) and 47 unreviewed (341 or about 87.9% less).

For those who have accomplished certain objectives in the drive, awards will be coming shortly. Again, thank you for your help in the drive, and I hope you continue to help review GA nominations and overall improve the quality of articles here on Wikipedia.

Symbol support vote.svg

MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 17:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


What you have said made a lot of sense. Thanks--Indian Chronicles (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Keshi (demon)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

GAN backlog elimination drive award[edit]

Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For reviewing 10 good article nominations during the April 2010 GAN backlog elimination drive, I hereby present you The Tireless Contributor Barnstar. Good work! Wizardman Operation Big Bear 23:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)