User talk:Retran

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Hello, Retran, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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You didn't format the discussion properly, and you forgot to sign. Fixed both for you. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 20:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I got frustrated with it and didn't even realized I had nominated it successfully. I had newbie troubles with the technicalities of the nomination process. Editing a bunch of pages manually in a certain order with certain tags, and if one thing is done wrong it botches everything. Reminds me of programming!Retran (talk) 01:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Venezuela election[edit]

FYI, re your edit, Venezuela did (maybe still does) use the Additional Member System adopted from the German model. Haven't got a source to hand, so I haven't undone the removal, but the point is, contra your edit summary, the text did make sense. Rd232 talk 08:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I noticed that my revisions have "stuck" over the past weeks, and your reversal was undone (I see now that you never did a reversal). Perhaps this warrants a discussion on the Government_of_Venezuela talk page. All the same I can provide you with some of my thinking.
The phrases "single member constituency" and adherence to "party lists" imply widespread voting irregularity. If you do understand how these things can exist without it being a type of vote rigging, great, but that context (to whatever german thing you were referring to that I don't get at all) has to be provided to ensure clarity. If you are arguing that vote rigging is taking place we would need some 3rd party references. It would need to be described in a less farcical way than "single member constituencies" and "party lists", as it is inappropriate to have in-line comedic text in an encyclopedia.Retran (talk) 07:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
? "single member constituency" and adherence to "party lists" imply widespread voting irregularity is somewhat contradictory and substantially untrue. Party list effect depends on the political context. The pre-1989 party list system in Venezuela (at local and regional level; before direct elections for governors and mayors) was a substantial part of the Punto Fijo Pact, but not because of irregularities - just straightforward party power ("partidocracia"/"partyarchy"). Rd232 talk 08:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Those terms appear to apply to a somewhat complicated system of voting, and the meaning of those terms is not clear just by parsing the words within the terms themselves. Proclaiming that a party has a majority because of this system would require discussion of the system, not mere references to terms explaining parts of the system (proportioned voting system). Maybe a good start would be to mention that venesuala uses a proportional voting system and employs (such and such) methods for proportion (such as party lists... but explaining what that means). Many readers (ie: Americans) are completely ignorant regarding proportional voting system, so including the terms "adherence to party lists" and "single member constituencies" seems like references to the "dirty tricks" employed in countries with sham elections. --Retran (talk) 06:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, though "single member constituencies" is the US/UK default. It's only unfamiliar in suggesting an alternative way of doing things is possible! Rd232 talk 07:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)