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Bio cleanup[edit]

Helpful Things[edit]


thanks for Template suggestion for new use gagegs[edit]

Greetings Revent,

Thank you for your helpful tip on the templates for editing. I have printed them out and will use them today as I work on my very first Wikipedia article (The Rittenhouse Elementary School). All of you on Wikipedia have been so very kind and helpful, and I truly appreciate it.

Cheers, gagegsGagegs (talk) 16:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

You are very welcome. :) Revent (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

response regarding Rittenhouse Elementary School citations[edit]

Howdy Revent,

Thanks for the information on citations. I'm finishing up a report for another course this morning, then will be jumping back into the citations this afternoon. I'm sure I'll have questions about those pesky citations. Enjoy your morning (well, it's morning here in Arizona), and talk to you soon gagegsGagegs (talk) 19:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't think there's a problem with how you're doing them...there isn't. It's just that getting the numbers in the ref list is 'prettier'. :)
I just looked, and LOL, the help files on footnotes show every complicated way to make things like multiple reference lists and nested references, but not the way that's the most common, which is putting the 'cite' in the text at it's first appearance. Revent (talk) 19:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Rittenhouse article citations[edit]

(moved to article talk page)

Howdy Revent,

I got my citations in, but somehow deleted the reference list at the end of the article. Help! How do I get it back? Is there a way to return to a previous version to restore my reference?

gagegsGagegs (talk) 22:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes. One of the dropdown boxes next to the search box at the top of your window gives 'edit history'. Revent (talk) 22:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

now I've screwed up the infobox. I'm a mess LOL gagegsGagegs (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The curly braces at the end are backwards. Revent (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thank you so much! You are my saviour :) gagegsGagegs (talk) 22:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

you deserve many many stars[edit]

So, how do I give you said star? gagegsGagegs (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar award coming (hopefully)....and well-deserved[edit]

Reviewer Barnstar Hires.png The Reviewer Barnstar
Revent, you have been so helpful to me today, and I really appreciate your tremendous effort and time in walking me through my first article. You deserve all kinds of awards! gagegs Gagegs (talk) 22:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

external links back in[edit]

Welcome back! You have a great sense of humor, by the way.

Thanks for the kind words about my writing. I usually write much better, but this is an end of the semester project (first year grad school...history), and I had little time to work on it during the semester. I look forward to helping it progress, and now that my semester is almost done (11:59 Nebraska time, 9:59 Arizona (my) time tonight), I'll have more time to perfect my so very limited Wikipedia skills and address your editing concerns.

I was at the Rittenhouse School/San Tan Museum yesterday, and I found out that there are two books coming out this summer about Queen Creek. I am excited to read them and see what other information they can provide about the school. This could potentially be my thesis project, so it's been fun to watch this article come to fruition. It needs a lot of work though...there's so much more I could put into it, but I am running out of time. Something to look forward to in the coming weeks.

Anyway, I have to run away for awhile (time to walk the dogs and pack lunch and gear for tomorrow's expedition). If I don't talk to you again tonight, I'll be back online tomorrow evening (assuming I survive the 100 degree heat and 30 mph winds expected at the project area).

It has been a hoot working with you this weekend, and I look forward to future happy collaborations.

Thanks again! Gina gagegsGagegs (talk) 01:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

It's actually been an entertaining way to spend an afternoon...and I'd have spent most of it on the computer, and a lot on WP, anyhow. I'm lame. :) Revent (talk) 02:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

comment boxes at beginning of article[edit]

Howdy Revent,

The article looks great, and I love the changes you've made. How do I get rid of the comment box I created at the beginning of the article....the one that says essentially I'm new, please be nice and leave my article alone?

When do the other comment boxes come down, and who is responsible for removing them?

gagegsGagegs (talk) 04:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

It's just a matter of 'consensus' of interested people.... WP:BRD :) If you pull it down, and someone sticks it back up, talk about it. Revent (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


Rainbow trout transparent.png Self-trout You have been trouted for: Transcluded entire text of WP:BRD into my talk page. LOL! Revent (talk) 04:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Revent, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! Revent (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse response edit summaries[edit]

Hello there Revent! I'm noticing that a lot of your replies in the Teahouse have <span class="mw-headline-number">...</span> at the start of the edit summary. I'm curious as to how that is occurring and if it is a bug in a script or a gadget (which is a script) or what is going on. Do you know what is causing it? If not, can you answer some questions for me that might help me figure it out?

  • What operating system are you running?
  • What web browser(s) are you using?
  • When you go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, what gadgets have check marks next to them? I'm specifically interested in the status of the checkboxes for:
    • Twinkle, a set of tools that automates common tasks such as reporting vandalism, warning vandals, requesting deletion, welcoming users, and tagging articles.
    • Suppress display of the fundraiser banner
    • "Ask a question" feature for the Wikimedia Foundation's "Teahouse" project
    • Add two new dropdown boxes below the edit summary box with some useful default summaries
    • CharInsert, adds a toolbar under the edit window for quickly inserting wiki markup and special characters
    • Move section [edit] links to the right side of the screen.
    • wikEd, a full-featured integrated text editor for Firefox, Safari, and Google Chrome. Please read the help page for usage instructions.
    • The JavaScript Standard Library, a compatibility library for browsers that lack full support for JavaScript 1.6. This includes older versions of Internet Explorer (version 7 and below), Opera, and Safari.

Thanks! sig was broken due to my code on page...was hiding new sections.. fixed it. Revent (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

It's from using the option 'auto-number headings' (here, advanced, sixth down) Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering I would assume. It showing up for other people would, of course, be a bug. :(

I'm using Google Chrome (Version 27.0.1453.15 beta) on Gentoo Linux (Linux lepton 3.7.10-gentoo #6 SMP PREEMPT Sat Mar 23 02:40:09 CDT 2013 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU P6200 @ 2.13GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux).

I'm not 'consistent' about using the 'edit' or 'reply to this discusssion', so if you only sometimes see it, that would probably be a good place to look.

I'm using Vector with DejaVu Sans, but not the javascript library. I have navigation popups, revision jumper, ask a question, reference tooltips, Dot's syntax highlighter, HotCat, wikEdDiff, ProveIt, and CharInsert turned on, but I don't use twinkle or the new 'visual editor'.

If you need me too, I can list my full settings, but hopefully you can find it from that. Revent (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Looking back at the actual edits, I think it only shows up when I use 'reply to this discussion'. Revent (talk) 18:39, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Okay, so I've confirmed it is a combination of using ""Ask a question" feature for the Wikimedia Foundation's "Teahouse" project" in conjunction with "Auto-number headings" and can figure out the exact cause from here. Thank you for your time and input. :) Technical 13 (talk) 19:01, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
You're definitely welcome. Thanks for your interest in fixing it. :) Revent (talk) 19:29, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Just posted the bug report on the script's original creator and asked a few other questions related to the script. He is (semi-)retired, so it may not be a speedy response. You can view it here and I think I echoed you from the discussion as well. ") Technical 13 (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
(chuckles) Good point, it breaks my spelling too. :) Revent (talk) 19:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Update: okay, so I spent a little time and figured out how to fix the auto-number bug an am just waiting on an editprotected request to be filled. Hopefully in a couple days you'll notice that bug is gone. Next will be to figure out the right click bug.. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 01:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion about novelist categories[edit]

Greetings! You are invited to take place in a conversation happening Category_talk:American_novelists#Stalemate here about how to move forward with discussion on subcategories of by-country novelist categories.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:04, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk pages[edit]

Please don't add image-needed=y to every banner on the talk pages. Most don't have an image needed parameter. Don't add it to any banner. Instead, add {{Image requested}} after the last banner and a bot will take care of things. Also add {{Infobox requested}} after the last banner.

Don't added needs-persondata=y to the bio banner unless there is no infobox. Persondata becomes redundant with an infobox present. Plus, persondata is supposed to go away soon.

Please spell things out. Bots have a hard time when not spelled out, plus it adds time to render the page. It should be yes not y and WikiProject Biography or WikiProjectBannerShell.

If you are going to work on talk pages alot, there is a faster method. Use AutoHotKey and see my sample script. Bgwhite (talk) 22:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Sorry if my syntax on them is wrong....I'm using User:Kephir/gadgets/rater, and it might not be the greatest tool....I'll take a look at the one you're using. Revent (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that's Windows-only....won't work for me. Revent (talk) 22:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I saw your message here and on my talk page. The rater script isn't the best and I wouldn't use it. Autohotkey does alot of things, but I'm just using it to bind a key stroke combination to some output. That is simple enough todo in Linux. Pressing win + s for |sports-work-group=yes|sports-priority=low is much faster.
I've done the exact same thing on, oh 60,000 talk pages over the past few years. ~150 new biographies come in each day, so it is hard to stay ahead. Wikipedia:Database reports/Recently created biographies of living people contains a list of ~75% of new biographies...that is when toolserver is up and running to create the list.
I use two AWB windows. One window I look at the article and the other window is for the talk page... press a button and it saves and automatically loads the next article. However, AWB is windows only. I found out pretty quickly that using windows instead of Linux became a necessity for my Wikipedia fun. Bgwhite (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I'd been asking around on IRC about experiences with using AWB under Wine and all that before I found the rater script....doing it by 'cut-n-paste' from a text window would still be fairly quick with a quide to the 'best' syntax....just seems that a lot of the banners only reference the 'generic' docs, and reading the code to figure out the 'real' names would kinda suck. :( Revent (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
AWB will run under Wine, but it has a few problems. The two biggies is to make sure IE 7 and .Net 2.0 are installed. AWB will not compile under Mono.
Yea, there are alot of banners with different parameters. I've done it so long that I can remember alot of them.
  • Only need to add class to all banners except military history. There are some that get upset that a non-project member is classifying a military project.
  • There are so many football and ice hockey players that I remember the extra parameters for those. Ice Hockey has bio=yes and Football has country=yes (Germany=yes or USA=yes).
  • No real need to add add needss-photo or needs-infobox, but if you do, add it at the end.
  • Don't add active-pol. It isn't used anywhere.
  • For Dušan Mramor, the is no need to add needs-infobox or needs-persondata. There is birth/death date/place or any other info to add. Bgwhite (talk) 23:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Ye, I was leaving the MILHIST alone other than just 'adding' it if missing, or marking 'stub' of the field was blank. I know that they have a 'procedure', and don't want to mess with that. It obviously works quite well. :)
I'll probably mess with AWB eventually, but....*cringe*...the 'learning curve' of not screwing things up looks a bit steep, tbh. I'd like some more confidence about doing things in a 'less-automated' fashion first (like, for instance, this feedback, which I appreciate a lot). Revent (talk) 23:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
  • BTW the WP:PERSONDATA article needs updated, then, since it pretty much says it should be added to every single bio. Revent (talk) 23:53, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


I removed your referal to WikiProject Ohio from the Cameron Newbauer article. Ohio has nothing to do with anything in the article and vice versa. Newbauer is the new women's basketball coach at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee. The Indiana native previously coached at schools in New York, Georgia, and Kentucky. GWFrog (talk) 06:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Revent is new and learning, so he needs some slack. Just the other day, he learned that Cleveland was the capitol of Ohio. :) Bgwhite (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Actually, it had more to do with prominently seeing the Ohio valley conference mentioned, and not noticing the "Tennessee" in the middle of the blue blob.... Sorry. :) Revent (talk) 06:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi Revent, thanks for your advice Adamm (talkcontribs) 08:32, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: My talk[edit]

You're welcome! No worries; I'm pretty sure everyone accidentally sorts their talk page into one of the mainspace categories at least once. I know I've done it a couple of times... Sophus Bie (talk) 20:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Greenberg-Hastings cellular automaton[edit]

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PeeTern templates[edit]

Hi Revent, I've been watching Pee_Tern in the faint hope that he may return to answer a question at some point. So I spotted that you put a notification of misc/template deletion on his page. I think Pee_Tern may have completely abandoned Wikipedia (for whatever reason in September 2009) he seems to have been a pretty skilled template generator - (it's one of the things I'm hoping to ask him about), so I had a quick check on the thing you propose should be deleted, it looks like a big chunk of work, and it looks like it is something to do with wikiproject law enforcement, so I thought I'd go and mention it on that WikiProject in case someone there wants to rescue it. Perhaps it should be in main space? EdwardLane (talk) 08:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit the pages and look at the 'code'...they're just copies of each other with a different parameter. They were just 'tests' of a sandbox version of {{infobox law enforcement}}. The only reason I 'care' is because they show up as 'errors'. Revent (talk) 09:03, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

So no changes beside the parameter compared to the infobox? ok well I've not checked it - if that's the case I have no problem, it looked like a big chunk of work - I didn't know it was all based on existing code. EdwardLane (talk) 09:15, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
  • It's not 'code' being used anywhere, though the text is cribbed from 'infobox government agency'...but the code is all in a sandbox page I'm not messing's a neat idea, actually, the text 'rewrites' itself based on what you give as the 'agency' type.. :) Revent (talk) 09:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

STOPhaus Response[edit]

We are sorry you are not happy that we are not satisfied with a propaganda page with our brand in it. We will not tolerate the intentional libel to smear our brand into some grudge match between "Russian Criminals" and a "Holy Spamhaus". The page was exceedingly biased and obviously written by someone with a deep consideration for Spamhaus and in opposition of STOPhaus. That, in itself is a Conflict of Interests and the edits that were negotiated were to clarify fallacy on Wikipedia.

TSM does not wish to be threatening, but we must protect the integrity of our mission and activities and using only citations from Spamhaus and Cloudflare's known PR team as well as quotes directly from Spamhaus, as if they are fact, wording that appears to make Spamhaus an authority figure and commander of what spam is, and your lack of regard to how this will cause drama with us, the only victim in this matter.

If the Wikipedia Community wishes to be respectable and offer a resolution to a one-sided propaganda entry concerning STOPhaus or our Operations, then we will certainly respond with the same level of respect. If the Wikipedia Community wishes to silence our attempts at a reasonable outcome for all parties, we will be unreasonable in return. We will not be stepped on, backed down, or rolled over without a fight.

We hope The WP Community understands that "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility". They have a Google PR9 and call themselves an "Encyclopedia" while providing information as a "reliable source". The moment that data is littered with inaccuracies, malicious libel, and hype-wording it become diluted. Any stress on Wikipedia due to a disregard for the victimization of STOPhaus will only strengthen both parties, but we do not want it to come to that.

The current edits seem to reflect a much more appropriate story than previous, however the Spamhaus Page is written like an advertisement and Google SEO effort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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The allegations that STOPhaus has always maintained against Spamhaus is that they are "terrorists". There is a definition of terrorism that we allege Spamhaus meets. Your edits are minimizing our allegations while maintaining Spamhaus'. Other than that and the hyped-up wording used on the Spamhaus Page the entry seems okay. I think one of our members posted to that effect on your talk page to relieve your need to visit this forum because you expressed a disinterest in doing so.

The OpWikiWar Page still exists because Wikipedia calls itself an "Encyclopedia" of dynamic content, yet the content is moderated to be static and controlled. It is a deception to the public to say "anyone can edit Wikipedia" and the practice is completely different. It is an abomination to Academia to call Wikipedia an Encyclopedia when Pages are written and approved by those with Conflicts of Interests. The OpWikiWar will continue until Wikipedia stops the censorship and manipulation tactics that lead to the libel of individuals, companies, organizations, and institutions across the globe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

This is growing even more 'amusing', as many random people alter content on Wikipedia on a daily basis, and have no issues, simply because they comply with Wikipedia's policies about 'referencing content to reliable, secondary sources'. You arguments seem mainly based on the claim that since you're not allowed to post unsourced defamatory comments on the article using your own definition of 'terrorism', that Wikipedia must be 'biased'....this it self-aggrandizing and laughable.
If the "OpWikiWar" is actually 'ongoing', that makes it even more 'amusing', since (as far as I can tell) the only people who have 'noticed' are the people who saw the IRC channel being trolled.
You apparently seem to feel that you can do whatever you want, and that's perfectly fine, even when you use exactly the same 'tactic' (namely, attempted blackmail) that you criticize Spamhaus for supposedly using, yet directed at unrelated third parties....namely Wikipedia editors....this is sad and verges on pathetic, at least in my opinion.
You seem to be going (far) out of your way to alienate people who would be natuarally inclined to sympathize with your point of view, merely because you're not allowed to use Wikipedia as a sounding board for your own propoganda.
(sigh) Revent (talk) 01:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Just as a further note, your description of 'my edits' is pretty laughable, as the only way they make sense is if you object to the fact that I didn't describe your 'allegations' as 'proven facts'....honestly, even mentioning your allegations is barely acceptable, and only so because it would be 'biased' to quote the statements made in reliable, secondary sources about you without at least mentioning your claimed 'justification' might want to actually read the policies that you are criticizing....they are intended to prevent some random people putting "X is an asshole" on some random blog and then insisting it be included in a Wikipedia article as a proven fact. Revent (talk) 01:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

If there are policies to prevent libel and they worked then we would have never been involved. If Wikipedia had any empathy for censorship is would have been expressed in this situation. If Spamhaus is allowed to cite their own website as the reference to what they deem "spammers", "known spammers", "verified spam gangs" and such and never mention the fact that they do certain negative things, then Wikipedia is their propaganda page, not ours.

At this time OpWikiWar is in seed phases and will remain open until we have received the response from the general public concerning the matter. We thank you for taking the time to make the edits that you did and respect that you added a more neutral viewpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

(sighs) Ok, I'm trying to be really patient here....I empathize with your point of view, I really do. I was actually involved with 'ORBS' and such was back, and I personally think the methods of 'escalation' an such that Spamhaus uses are /way/ over the line. I've also found way too much 'blatant unsupported libel with a disclaimer' on their website to even remotely take them seiously.
The editor who has been doing many of the edits to that article over time does have an obvious conflict of interest, and now that the issue has become more 'advertised' on wikipedia he's not going to be able to continue the same things without ending up banned....note that we can't sanction someone based on long past behavior they were never warned about, even it violated policies.
Your repeated statements about 'if wikipedia had empathy' /still/ show a basic misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works on the basic level... there is no 'corporate entity' (I'm using this term in the 'philosophical sense', not the 'legal one') at all.....Wikimedia Foundation, the organazation that provides 'technical services' to Wikipedia has absolutely ZERO editorial control over wikipedia content, as a matter of policy.....Jimbo is not, and never has been, a particularly 'active' editor on english wikipedia.
The 'editorial control' is simply based on the evolving consensus, over time, of the 'subset' of wikipedia editors who have enough interest in the 'meta' aspects of wikipedia to be involved in writing policies.....the only 'editorial board' for a particular article is the group of editors who are actually paying attention to it, and the only 'oversight' is the ability of those editors to 'appeal' to the admins for sanctions if needed.
Note that it is a specific wikipedia principle that no editor or admin is /obligated/ to take any particular action....we are all volunteers, and people are only responsible for actions they /actually take/, not ones they choose to not take. To be honest, the only 'failure' in the sense of the spamhaus article is that nobody had brought this to the attention of the wider community before now....
It's a saying on wikipedia that 'the wheels of justice grind slow, but exceedingly fine'....basically, it takes a while for 'consensus' to evolve, (it's a worldwide project, and not everyone longs on every day) but issues tend to be overanalayzed and nitpicked to a ridiculous level of detail before the discussion is 'closed'... Revent (talk) 16:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Appreciate the pointers. (2oceansvibe) (2oceansvibe (talk) 10:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC))

I was confused by your comment[edit]

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Please sign your talk page messages.

3RR is a 'bright-line' rule.. i.e., if you violate this, you are definitely warring, not a 'definition' of what is unacceptable. If a person is acting like they are the 'owner' of an article and reverting multiple people's edits (to different areas) this can still be 'edit warring'..

Specifically, an editor might be trying to maintain an 'overall' bias, and essentially be fighting with multiple editors in multiple sections over'd be allowing this, and changing the 'standard' that the definition of edit warring (unless it breaks the 'bright-line' rule) is a matter of admin discretion...this would just open the window to lawyering by people. Revent (talk) 02:43, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you very much![edit]

Thank you very much for all your assistance in wikipedia chat today! You gave me great advice and took action to correct several problems for me!Yen10k (talk) 12:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Revent I need your help. The topic is always Francis Ford Coppola You removed the word 'American' from the lead, saying that it's not 'technically' correct. About that, I agree with you, Coppola has dual nationality. But Ring Cinema, that disagrees, modified the page. Take a look, please. --Karanko (talk) 12:42, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

When I removed "American", I also specifically said "I'm not really attached to it" be honest, I halfway expected it to get 'readded' was a 'probe' to see if an edit that simply did not mention nationality at all would be 'acceptable'. Honestly, I think the description as an American is is obviously how he was described by the overwhelming majority of sources for several decades, which is what is relevant to his description in the lead. Revent (talk) 00:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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Somebody was feeling thankful this morning ;) Theopolisme (talk) 14:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

(chuckles) "Thanks" for mentioning that I managed to do that. :P Useful since I'm pretty sure I /didn't/ do what is described here.... [[1]]
FWIW, the 'thanks' was for pointing out in that way that, you know, -en and -help aren't the same thing, and I know for a fact that I only hit 'thank' once, so... Revent (talk) 22:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
That thank for this edit here was a quick 'test' btw, sorry if 'spam', needed to specifically look at if the 'thanks' script reloaded the history page after you hit thanks (while adding to the discussion of this 'bug') Revent (talk)

Neutral notice[edit]

This is a neutral notice to all registered editors who have edited Jack Kirby in 2013 that there is a discussion on its talk page regarding the article's infobox image: Talk:Jack Kirby#Photo update. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on an RfC about Living members of deposed royal families and the titles attributed to them on WP[edit]

Hello - I have opened an RfC about suggested guidelines in the Manual of Style for articles about living members of families whose ancestors were deposed as monarchs of various countries and the titles and "styles" attributed to these living people, at the moment often in a misleading and inaccurate way in my opinion. Please join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies "Use of royal "Titles and styles" and honorific prefixes in articles and templates referring to pretenders to abolished royal titles and their families"[2]Regards,Smeat75 (talk) 07:05, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Infinite Jest[edit]

I read your post on the talk page of Infinite Jest and I agree with you about Hal's final condition. I also suggested an idea of chaining the reference. But, I think what you changed was changed back. Maybe you could go take a look and see if that is so? I don't want to upset people by changing, but since you I agree, that give more weight to my theory and I provide a book that could be used instead of reference number 7 on Hal's mini Bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apriv40dj (talkcontribs) 13:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC) Hi, thank you for caring. I did not change the reference on Hal's mini bio on the infinite jest entry to my suggestion or to anything, I just left it on the talk page, because I did not want to rock the boat, but I thought if someone cares enough and maybe it could get changed? I did not want to mess with an important article, that people may care a lot about and make people angry. So, if you think, maybe changing the reference, but not the text. It could have been the mold, but the whole idea of the ghost of the father putting the mold on the toothbrush is not substantiated anywhere in the book, that is why I wanted to change the reference to something more creditable like a published book. Apriv40dj (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I think you might have misunderstood my 'comments'... I had gotten drawn into trying to mediate an ongoing argument there about the Literary Criticism section that had taken over the talk page, so I had 'refactored' it and moved the twenty or so threads about that to a subpage on it and 'checklisted' the ancient stuff that wasn't about the current article. I think you misunderstood my sig at the 'top' of the section meaning I had started it... it was just when I sorted em out into sections. Revent (talk) 09:00, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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2014 WNBA Finals[edit]

Hi Revent,

Yes, you are right about the 2014 WNBA Finals. There needs to be an official page on the website giving good a description about it. You are also right about the comments you said. Thank you. Robert4565 (talk) 16:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hi those who edit my revert and try to prove the King of Pop's Shadmehr have no evidence to prove that sometimes a word document with the interview Shadmehr. B.B.c persian make no mention of where the page the King of pop is not Shadmehr! They are just fan of shadmehr aghili and trying to supporting him.They are subversive!Mobayl73 (talk) 11:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@Mobayl73: Hi. Just to you know, and don't take this wrong, but it's not considered appropriate to 'recruit' people to your point of view, not that I don't realize you're just asking for help. Asking for a second opinion, or advice on how to deal with something is find. FYI, I'm not really taking sides in the 'content argument' you guys are having, but I am interested in the article meeting 'standards'. I did actually make a couple of edits to it, mainly to fix the infobox, and all the social media links, since those are straight 'policy' things.... also the stuff in the lead wasn't even a complete sentence. Just so you know, however, people are paying attention now. The discussion really needs to be on the article talk page, and then only 'consensus' edits made to the article, since it's obvious there is a disagreement....that's how Wikipedia works. I gave you the editwar warning, but I also gave one to the other editor. Just beat it out on the talk page, and it's no big deal. You might want to read the page at WP:BRD for how it's 'supposed' to work, and the page at WP:DR for a discussion on how to deal with disputes.
If an editor does keep making the same changes over and over after input from multiple editors have shown they are against consensus, or refusing to discuss them, then it's time to bring in an admin with a nerfbat. :) Reventtalk 12:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I request assistance for the protection of the screen against vandalismMobayl73 (talk) 00:02, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Mobayl73: I am not an administrator, and I cannot take action against vandalism. The appropriate location to request such action is at WP:AIV. I would advise you, however, that any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or disruptive, is not vandalism, and edit warring is EXPLICITLY not vandalism. I advise you to read the links I gave above, and pursue those means to resolve your dispute. Reventtalk 00:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


You know that you were added to the checkpage and you can use AWB. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 03:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: Yes, I know, and I appreciate it. At the moment I've been preoccupied between my normal IRC thing (I sit in wikipedia-en-help a lot, teaching newbies about editing and dissuading the people trying to piss garage bands onto the wiki) and trying to zero out Category:AfC submissions with categories, which is easier with the AFCH script than it would be with AWB. Then I'll probably aim as some of the smaller ones like Category:Biography articles needing priority parameter replacement and get some practice with it. Reventtalk 04:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Surely, there's a lot to do right now. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 04:33, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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You spent some considerable time giving me huge and specific help on the live chat on Saturday. My article about Alison Appleton has since been accepted. I really appreciate it. Thanks Revent!

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Just wanted to say thank you for the input on my user page - I'm a bit lost here (there's a pretty steep learning curve), so help from those more experienced than me is always welcome!

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Help with article[edit]

Thanks again for helping to improve the article. Do you think the resulting article maintains NPOV well and is not promotional?

And, a small question, what tool should I use to format the references to a format such as this: "Bennett, Brian (3 June 2013). "HTC One Review". CNET. CBS Interactive. Archived from the original on 22 August 2013. Retrieved 12 September 2013." (It includes an archived link.) Dmatteng (talk) 14:58, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it reads as promotional at all. You mention the criticisms (price and no microphone) and all of the 'superlatives' you use are sourced.
As far as the references, what you are looking for is 'citation templates'. There are several types, but the most commonly used (the one that generates the style of references you quoted) is Citation Style 1 (aka CS1). The help sage for them is at Help:Citation Style 1, and for the SoundLink II article the one you are looking for is probably 'cite web'. Reventtalk 02:26, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Do you think the article could be promoted towards GA? Will this tool archive sources (at as well? Dmatteng (talk) 16:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
The Wayback Machine ( doesn't archive pages on demand...they have a webcrawler that archives them periodically. The tool you are looking for to archive on demand is WebCite, located at
As far as getting to GA, that's certainly possible, but those articles are typically the result of long-term research work by a number of people...I don't know if there are enough sources available about the product . I think the 'parent' article is probably a more likely target. Reventtalk 22:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll find another audio product that got more available sources and hope you will be able to help me to copy edit it. Dmatteng (talk) 08:04, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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Enjoy your trout slapping - maybe we should have a duel. The WA project has a few WikiTown processes which are evolving, to have a 2 edit person more or less say this doesnt exist vis a vis notability because it didnt win a heritage award (that in itself ia a misreading) needs some advice... Admittedly could have gone on the users talk page, but the ed has worked from an IP and the 2 edit user page - so instead of duplicating it stayed on the afd page. Your asumptions about the afd is obviously from the participation in afds previous. Imho - this one went this way due to a number of reasons, and personally, your reasoning is fine, and I have no debate with that. But if someone from New Zealand is thinking of single handedly starting a similar project from pulling another one apart (in a manner of speaking), I fail to see where the AGF comes in. satusuro 06:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

@SatuSuro: Actually, the nomination gave a reasonable analysis, and didn't mention the Heritage award at all...maybe you read the later comment differently from how I did, but what I took from it is that they wouldn't have nominated the article if Freopedia had won, but that since it didn't they didn't feel the nomination showed notability.... I thought that was clear. You're perfectly right that the person reads as much more knowledgeable about AfD than you would expect from so few edits, but it was apparent they had previously edited from an IP. Who they 'are' is irrelevant to if the subject is notable.
For what it's worth, you weren't the only person I was 'chiding', you just happened to get a particular mention because you basically wrote a thousand words criticizing the nominator. The very second !vote was essentially using WP:CRYSTAL as a 'keep' argument, which is completely backwards, while saying he was involved in the project.
I'm not quite sure if your 'assumptions about the afd' comment was supposed to be sarcastic or not, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm also not the only person who commented about the discussion getting sidetracked, though. I'll tell you right now, however, that I've read far more AfDs than I've ever commented on....same with RfA, etc. Too often they get bogged down with people simply 'voting' or repeating what has already been said. If I don't have anything new to add, I keep my mouth shut.
I also find it disturbing when people who can't 'prove' huge numbers of edits seem to have their arguments ('valid', even if not persuasive) discounted based on that, and (in other discussions than this) when other people seem to end up having their behavior excused on the basis of their 'seniority'...their bad behavior is spread out over time, and after repeatedly getting away with it they seem to feel 'justified'. I think this kind of thing is a major part of why we have an editor retention problem.
Personally, I intentionally avoid looking at a person's number of edits most of the time. It's easier to be neutral about the 'content' of those edits if you don't. If you look at mine (which I assume you have) you'll get a totally misleading idea of my Wikipedia 'experience', since I edited regularly for the better part of five years without logging in. You might want to consider the advice given at WP:BRANDNEW (which even specifically mentions new accounts who know about AfD). Reventtalk 08:08, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you - sincerely, for taking the time to answer in the fullness of your points, I can tell your experience is not necessarily relative to your edit count. The considered comments here and elsewhere, I can perceive someone who has a sense of justice that is what I would expect from someone who is in real life probably well above the average citizens sense of balance - something we in the British inherited justice system of Australia rarely hear. Pity you have the duck for cover attitude - you could have been a good admin or arbcom member. Perish the thought.
As for advice about anything for me - I know too many people who have left wikipedia for so many reasons, its great to speak to those who are left, even if I do come over as weird at times. satusuro 10:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. I wasn't trying to be 'condescending' about pointing at the 'BrandNew' essay, it's just that since it's an essay instead of a policy or guideline I didn't know if you had seen it. I think it makes some pretty valid points about why new users might legitimately have a good idea of the process....occasionally you hit that person that actually reads. (gasp)
As far as ever running something like an RfA, I have a number of reasons why I would never accept a nomination...mostly personal, and actually unrelated to Wikipedia. Not 'dirty laundry' or anything, just personal. I also kind of like my current 'vantage point'...while I have strong opinions, I don't really 'need' the tools for the stuff I enjoy doing, and I think watching the dramaboard without any desire for hats gives a clearer picture of certain things....there are some things I wouldn't feel comfortable saying to people if I had any kind of 'official' position, simply because they might be taken as 'official'. Similar to how I don't normally review AfC articles, even though I spend a lot of time in the -help channel on IRC helping new users who are dealing with AfC... I have no doubt I've helped generate far more content through looking at drafts and talking to people than what I've typed in the box. It affects how people see you when you aren't 'above' them in whatever sense. Reventtalk 23:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Conrad Glass[edit]

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Advice on AFC approvals[edit]

Just letting you know, I have reverted your review of Draft:Amy Feldman and deleted the corresponding main space article.

Before you decline an AFC submission because a main space article already exists, please check the history of both articles. In the case of Draft:Amy Feldman, the main space article was just created today as a verbatim copy of the draft, which has yet to be approved. Obvious WP:COI concerns, as indicated by the edit history, suggest that the article should remain in user space or draft space pending closer scrutiny before approving it for publication in main space. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@Amatulic: I was aware, and I wasn't 'approving' it... I agree that it is not a 'good' article. I was just following the principle that any editor can create a new article in mainspace if they choose to do so.. using AfC is not 'required', even for editors with COI issues. If an editor chooses to 'abort' the AfC process and put the article straight to mainspace, that's their prerogative, and the article can stand or fail there on it's own. It actually happens a lot. My 'efforts' related to AfC are much more concerned with 'cleaning' up things like drafts with categories, misplaced drafts, etc, rather than actually doing 'reviews' other than in cases where the draft has such blatant issues that letting it wait for a decline would be a waste of time. If the draft has been cut-pasted to mainspace by the author (like here) the 'real' solution is a histmerge, but that seems pointless when the article was completely written by one person. I don't think there is any kind of a consensus to prevent editors from removing drafts from AfC, though... if there is, I have missed the discussion, but I know that that proposals to 'require' it met with a lot of opposition. Reventtalk 00:21, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikisource, article and other unused parameters[edit]

See Template talk:EB1911#Wikisource, article and other unused parameters -- PBS (talk) 11:10, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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For all your help with marking categories, day and night, with templates and stuff, I hereby award you with this barnstar. (This is the barnstar all wikignome want, I heard!) (tJosve05a (c) 01:52, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Alumni of Col. Brown School & my 'fixing' an url[edit]

Just to note we had a similar page but there was a lot of confusion about names and sources. See [[Talk:Colonel Brown Cambridge School]. I had to 'fix' the stophaus url as our spamblocker was stopping me from saving any edits. Dougweller (talk) 16:02, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller: Thanks for noticing that, though I guess it was from past familiarity. It does look like it's supposed to be about the same place. I was just cleaning up Category:Pending AfC submissions in userspace with the rewrite script (which gets a surprising number of 'thanks', actually) and declining the 'obvious' ones... in that particular case, it was so garbled I had a difficult time actually figuring out what the topic was supposed to be, which is why I just cleaned it, moved it, and left it alone.
FYI, I've been trying to run through that category and, more importantly, Category:AfC submissions with categories on a pretty much daily basis. I'm also keeping an eye on Category:AfC pending submissions without an age. I'm not really an active 'reviewer', but I am a regular helper in the IRC channel so I deal with a lot of submissions from that direction. Reventtalk 18:58, 12 July 2014 (UTC)