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NJIT dubious record[edit]

Thoughts about the removal of the 2007–08 season? Is User:SportsMaster correct in that it's not an "official" record to be the only Division I team to go 0–29? Jrcla2 (talk) 14:09, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

The NCAA record book (page 24) says they became D1 in 2010, so I suppose he is correct. Rikster2 (talk) 14:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
I feel like it's part of their lore, regardless of whether the 0–29 it's specified as D-I or not in the template, but I don't care strongly enough to fight it. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Is it an all-division record? seems like it could be. Rikster2 (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

New college player articles[edit]

Heads up from contributions by User:Andise1. I'm not sure if the Fighting Illini players he's created articles for are notable. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, I personally think they are, hence why I created the articles. I will try and update them both with more information though. Andise1 (talk) 19:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


To remove a woman from the ranks of a classification based on her sex is extremely sexist. Numerous women's basketball coaches are included in the classification "American basketball coaches." Why are you removing Debby Black and Carrie Daniels? GWFrog (talk) 04:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Your argument would be a good one, if it was valid, but it is not. They are included in the sub-category of "American women basketball coaches" and inclusion in the sub-category does not automatically include them in the category. Thus, they are NOT in the "Category:American basketball coaches" unless they are specifically assigned to that category, as are many, if not most, women basketball coaches. That is the reason that the guideline you reference states,"A page or category should rarely be placed in BOTH a category and a subcategory or parent category (supercategory) of that category..." GWFrog (talk) 21:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, "a page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory." In this case, "American basketball coaches" is the category and "American women's basketball coaches" is the sub-category. All "American women's basketball coaches" are "American basketball coaches," so all people in that sub-category are by definition in the parent category. Rikster2 (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
"Subcategories defined by gender, ethnicity, religion, and sexuality should almost always be non-diffusing subcategories. The Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality categorization guideline outlines the rules on these categories in more detail." Being female should not exclude them from the main category, and being in the sub-category does not automatically include them in the main, it merely includes them in the sub-...GWFrog (talk) 21:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

TfD merge procedures[edit]

Rikster, I just commented on the Basketball biography/WNBA infobox merge issues, and I've been following this merge process for a while. Like you, I also recognize the obvious problem regarding overlapping WNBA and overseas team tenures. A high percentage of second-tier and even some of the first-tier WNBA talent plays overseas during the WNBA off-season, and this was a known issue when the merge was proposed. These are exactly the sort of pratical and technical merge issues that are often overlooked or glossed over in TfD discussion, and should have been considered and resolved before a merge was proposed and submitted to TfD. I see the TfD merge process is too often driven by template editors and regular TfD participants who are not regular editors of sports articles (or other relevant topics), and have precious little understanding of the template histories and the reasons for their present configurations. And I have witnessed the aftermath of several template merges, where ordinary editors who were never notified of such pending changes are left to clean up the mess of template merges and the often imperfect auto edits used to implement them. When these merges involve hundreds if not thousands of articles, the proposers should be required to submit a more detailed merge proposal covering the template differences and resolutions -- I think there is an RfC pending on exactly this point on one of the TfD talk pages. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I think I brought up these issues in the WNBA template merge proposal. I guess we just figure out how to make it work at this point. please weight in at the proposal at WP:BASKETBALL if you haven't already. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Simple opinion[edit]

Hey. Does playing in the Dutch Basketball League and the National Basketball League of Canada warrant an article per WP:NBASKETBALL? Bit like the PBA, do these leagues meet "similar major professional sports league" in your opinion? Was thinking of creating a player who, while only played NCAA Division II ball, has played in Holland and Canada. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Not necessarily. The Canadian NBL is definitely considered a "minor league." The Dutch League may be closer, but it isn't one of the leagues I think of when I think of the top leagues in Europe (I think of Italy, Spain, Greece, Turkey, Russia and maybe Israel, France and Germany). I would probably just look into the player meeting GNG - which at the end of the day is what NBASKETBALL is trying to gauge anyway. Rikster2 (talk) 13:38, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Righto, well in that case, this player probably wouldn't simply meet GNG. I just thought perhaps the DBL would be considered up there. Thanks a lot, good food-for-thought. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I have yet to find an American player playing in any of the leagues I have named who didn't also meet GNG. Now, that is partly because import players are expensive so the Americans tend to be key players for their teams. But the quality of play (and I assume the pay) in those leagues is such that the players who opt to go to those leagues tend to have been accomplished US college players. I've seen more instances of fringe American talent in the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, etc. that wouldn't meet GNG. Not a perfect bellwether, but I know US college ball well enough to generally gauge who will meet GNG and who won't before doing the search. Rikster2 (talk) 13:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, well no doubt any player who plays in those top leagues, meets NBASKETBALL, and thus meets GNG. In a way, a player can't not meet GNG if they meet NBASKETBALL. I still think the guidelines for basketball player articles are pretty arbitrary, and for articles that don't meet the set guidelines, they are only picked up every now and then for AfD etc. For example, when I created Justin Cecil and Corey Easley, they were picked up straight away pretty randomly and ultimately deleted (and rightly so, both did not meet NBASKETBALL – fair enough), but then when a lowly NZ NBL player in Bronson Beri is created, no one picks it up for not meeting notability. My point being, there are many player articles out there are less notable that other potential ones that many never be created or are deleted – i.e. someone like Jason Conrad (the player I am referring to) would be more notable than Beri or a tone of other ones similar to him not just in NZ. Anyway, I just reckon Conrad could probably scrape through, but I'll leave it for now. DaHuzyBru (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Eppa Rixey[edit]

Wrong one. The college basketball player was Eppa Rixey, IV. He is my neighbor. 7&6=thirteen () 13:30, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Not according to the University. Take a look at this link. Eppa Rixey Jr, lettered in 1912–14. Eppa IV may have as well. Rikster2 (talk) 13:34, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Eppa IV is in the insurance business, very big man, looks exactly like his grandpa, and I am not actually sure where he played. 7&6=thirteen () 13:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Your input is requested . . . .[edit]

Rikster, I need to get your input regarding the revised infobox template for college football players: [1]. After we figure out what data points to include, we'll get a template editor to handle the coding for us. Once we determine what fields we're adding and what we're deleting, then we'll start work on the modified graphics. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


Hey rikster you are a good editor, and thank for your edits here. I just think that names of countries are unnecessary in basketball infoboxs. Every teams have articles so if someone wants to know from which country is FMP he will just click on them, and also in text is mentioned every country from which is some club. If we have rules here about some pretty stupid things (like OVERLINKS), then there must be a new rule to stop adding names of the countries in infoboxs. Cheers mate and sorry for my bad english.-- (talk) 17:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Propose it at WP:BASKETBALL. There has been discussion about this but no agreement - there are editors I respect on both sides of the issue but as yet no definitive statement on how these should/should not be handled. Rikster2 (talk) 17:11, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Im just anonymous user, and i dont know how to do that... my knowledge about wikipedia and my english is not that good so i will probably not propose that. I just want to not complicate some things in infobox. As i mentioned every important teams in world basketball have their articles, so for me is pretty stupid to add names of countries.-- (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

WNBA "allocated" params[edit]

Are similar "allocated" parameters from Template:Infobox WNBA biography needed in Template:Infobox basketball biography, or the generic draft params are good enough?—Bagumba (talk) 06:22, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Well I think it only matters for 1997. Take a look at what I did with Rebecca Lobo and see what you think. Rikster2 (talk) 08:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Now that I look at it, maybe we do need it. It only affects the first year of the WNBA, but it includes a lot of the biggest names in women's basketball Rikster2 (talk) 11:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
For Lobo, you could just do "draft=Allocated to the [[New York Liberty]]", and not use "draft_team", which creates text "Selected by the New York Liberty". I know the WNBA template used "allocated" but is that the common term or is it "assigned"?[2][3]. Also, those sources don't make it sound like it was technically part of the draft. Let me know how you think it should look: reuse existing draft format, or do something different because it's not really part of draft. As I don't know that much about the WNBA, I'll defer to you.—Bagumba (talk) 18:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I'll probably just use the draft parm as you suggest. I'll take a look at some primary sources today and get the language right. Rikster2 (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Potential problem edits[edit]

Rikster, you probably want to look at this ASAP: WT:CFB#Widespread changes to college sports program articles. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox WNBA player (?)[edit]

Rik, was this merge finally completed to everyone's reasonable satisfaction, or are there still outstanding issues? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

it's done, I converted a few and will continue to do so. Rikster2 (talk) 00:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Good. I've got two dozen former Gators to convert, too. Frankly, I think the WNBA infobox looked more refined graphically, but at least the debate is over. Any interest in participating the discussions for the revamped Infobox college football player and Infobox NFL player? We should have mock-ups ready for the CFB player infobox in the next week or so . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, the team history was easier to follow, and the box was a little wider so there was less bleed to a second line, but it had its own design problems. With coaches crossing over between the NBA and WNBA it was becoming important to ensure consistency between the infoboxes. Rikster2 (talk) 14:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Response to comment on my talk page[edit]

Hi Rikster2,

Thank you very much for the comment on my talk page. I read the discussion and will do what you said. Robert4565 (talk) 02:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rikster2,

I just wanted to let you know that I replaced the infobox on five WNBA player articles: Rhonda Mapp, Rhonda Blades, Toni Foster, Rita Williams, and Sharon Manning. I will keep replacing infoboxes to articles I made, if necessary. Robert4565 (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Paul Yesawich[edit]

I thought I saw a reference that had Paul Yesawich as passing away in November 2014, but now I can't find it. Do you think you could see if you can locate an obituary or mention of it? He might be alive, but I'm pretty sure he's dead. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find tomorrow. Rikster2 (talk) 00:51, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Marcus Thornton[edit]

I was waiting until he hit 2,000 points to make the article, and here it is: Marcus Thornton (basketball, born 1993). If he's not voted the CAA POY then I'll be damned. If you can catch a W&M game before the season ends to snap photos of both him and of Tony Shaver, that would be awesome. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the article. I dont have any plans to go to any W&M games but if that changes I will try. Rikster2 (talk) 08:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


I gave a reliable source pertaining to KJ mc trade. So why revert my edit? That doesn't make all

Roster pages templates[edit]

I'm not sure if you are a mod or not (but I believe that if you aren't you at least know one), anyway, just to tell you that Schnaffyduck and (probably the same guy) are vandalizing the NBA roster pages, by trying to pigeonhole the players positions (turning them into PG, SG, SF, PF, C, which in today's NBA, with players playing multiple positions all the time and all) and doing unnecessary redirects (like turning Chris Kaman into Christopher Kaman and Manu Ginobili into Emanuel Ginobili) without really stating a reason. Anyway, just to give you a heads up before we have a potential edit war. Have a nice day! Intruder007 (talk) 22:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

TCU basketball season articles[edit]

Hey, what is your opinion about moving the 2013–14 and 2014–15 articles to say "Horned Frogs women's basketball team" instead of "Lady Frogs basketball team" and the 2010–11 through 2014–15 men's articles to say "men's basketball team" instead of "Horned Frogs basketball team"? I've gone ahead and moved the men's basketball main article to say "men's basketball", but not the season articles. As I stated on the talk page about the name change, it shows that the university moved away from "Lady Frogs" in 2010, so using men's and women's articles would help people out. Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 05:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Formatting of season schedule tables[edit]

Rik, please take a look at these threads: [4] and [5]. I am not opposed to change, but I don't believe this is the proper way to implement changes in contravention of well-established practice. Your feedback on the relevant talk pages is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


I was hoping you might have an opinion at Talk:Jalen_Brunson#New_main_image.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


Sorry about this. I didn't see it. I have put the picture in the international section. It's only there now. Which is where it should be. –DangerousJXD (talk) 04:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


User:Zachlp is claiming that Northeastern, UNC Wilmington, and James Madison are not CAA co-champs because W&M holds the tie-breaker over all of them ([6][7][8]). Is that correct, or is he mistaken and it's truly a four-way tie? Jrcla2 (talk) 01:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

it's a 4-way tie in my eyes. The tie-breaker is for tournament seeding, not conference championship. The other 3 teams have legitimate claim to a share of the league title. It looks messy as hell in a table, though. Your boys should've won one more game. Rikster2 (talk) 01:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, here is confirmation from the league itself - Rikster2 (talk) 01:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It's a little bittersweet that we couldn't knock off Drexel in the final game of the year to clinch it outright, but I'll still take a co-championship any day! Jrcla2 (talk) 02:08, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Austin Daye[edit]

Hey. Would you be able to do a quick revert on Austin Daye to back me up regarding this user's explanation to adding an Atlanta Hawks category. Daye still hasn't played for the Hawks, and while it's not a big deal (he'd probably revert me again tho), if anything it could help inform how cats work for future reference. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for consensus: Team stat leaders in schedule tables[edit]

Are you following this discussion on the WP:CBB talk page? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Conference basketball season pages[edit]

Hey, I saw you have been actively editing a college basketball conference season page, so please see this discussion here so we can get a consensus of editors. While this discussion is specifically on the SEC page, it concerns all conferences' pages. Jhn31 (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Seeking your counsel[edit]

Rik, would you object if I requested that the hidden team link in the first section header of Infobox basketball biography be removed? I didn't even know that it existed until it was raised as a comparison in the redesign discussions for the new Infobox college football player. The hidden "current team" links in the header create at least two problems under the MOS: (1) per MOS:LINK, section header elements are not supposed to be linked; (2) links are not supposed to be hidden, and the text and background colors of links are supposed to be visually distinguished from the colors of the unlinked surrounding text. It's also redundant with the current team link in the "career history" section. What say you? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:50, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Personally I have no issue with this, but sounds like something that should gain consensus. FYI, the field is only used because when the team link is different from the team name. If it's something like "Milwaukee Bucks" the template links that from the "team" field. Rikster2 (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Understood. Apparently, this was the common practice for the CFB, MLB, NBA and NFL player infoboxes 5 or 6 years ago, and other than the current Infobox basketball biography, they've all been delinked now. If you have no objection, I will start a discussion on the template talk page, and post notices on the talk pages for the three basketball WikiProjects. Like you, I believe in giving everyone an opportunity to have their say before making changes to key templates that everyone in a given project uses on a regular basis. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Color graphics for Infobox college football player[edit]

3-pixel accent with white text
North Carolina Tar Heels

Rik, here's a look at how the revamped CFB infobox is going: Template:Infobox college football player/testcases#Joe Cool (typical example). What do you think of the colors, graphics, and layout and design? In particular, how do you like the "college varsity stripe" graphics? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:29, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Looks good. Rikster2 (talk) 23:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

2015 NBA Draft[edit]

You removed a list of automatically eligible entrants, stating that college seniors were not included. However, the criteria identified in that section is as follows:

"Automatically eligible entrants This is an incomplete list that may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries. Players who do not meet the criteria for "international" players are automatically eligible if they meet any of the following criteria:

They have completed 4 years of their college eligibility."

If there is some dispute whether those players should be identified, please discuss in talk pages. As the eligibility requirements currently read, seniors meet the criteria for inclusion in this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2E1C:EDB0:2C5B:DDE6:E1F3:F970 (talk) 01:00, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


I don't normally solicit people to !vote, but were you planning to comment at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_3#Template:United_States_Squad_2002_FIBA_World_Championship? You commented earlier on the topic at WT:BASKETBALL. I don't really care how you end up !voting, but would at least like more participants to avoid a possible "no consensus". Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

why isn't it closed? So far no one has voted keep. Not sure I want to get involved. Rikster2 (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
The "comments" aren't explicit, but they are essentially treated as "keep"s due to their content.—Bagumba (talk) 23:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

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NCAA awards in infoboxes[edit]

I've noticed that you removed All-Regional team honors from Zach Auguste's infobox and I'm wondering if there is a list with those awards that pass the threshold for infobox honors. You'd be more than welcome if you could provide such a list in order to keep it in mind for future edits. I haven't been able to locate anything but this, but these rules apply for NCAA awards of players that turned pro. Thanks in advance. Hansi667 (talk) 17:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

There is more latitude with college players, but one thing that has consistently held as not meeting the threshold has been all-tournament honors of any kind. The other item that does not meet the threshold is MVP honors for an in-season (as opposed to postseason) tournament (e.g. the Maui Invitational Tournament). Rikster2 (talk) 00:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
So as far as I understand All-regional tournament teams don't pass the threshold, but All-Conference is OK. I'm fine by this but I think it should be agreed and written somewhere in order to help consistent future editing. I'd also like to ask if NIT MOP is ok for the infobox? It's a post season tournament but not the top class post season tournament. I'm asking this because I added this highlight to the Chasson Randle article. Thanks for answering my previous post. Hansi667 (talk) 14:11, 17 April 2015 (UTC) check-in[edit]

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Editing guidelines[edit]

Hello, following your edits to my contributions and message on my talk page you made me aware of the policy on flags on infoboxes. I must admit I was not aware of this, I did read about it and although I strongly disagree with the arguments (or lack of) made against their use I will not be including them in the future. However I also read on the same page that duplicate links are allowed in infoboxes if they inform the reader, you also edited them out (for example from Frank Elegar's page with BC Kalev) but I feel they serve a purpose especially with players who often change teams which makes it harder to find the first link. Finally you also deleted team links that linked to the Italian wikipedia in the infobox (for example on Michele Vitali), is there a guideline on the subject that prevents this? I discovered the language suffix (for example (Italian)), do I need to put that next to those links? If so I can understand why it could be problematic in the infobox.

Thank you. ArmstrongJulian (talk)

The thinking on WP:OVERLINK has been that few players' club history is longer than 15 teams - it's fairly easy to see where a team repeats. With the Italian links - the main thought is twofold - 1) few English wikipedia readers can read Italian, and 2) it gives the read4er the idea that there is an English WP article until they click on it, which is a bit deceptive. Also, if a redlink is in place then an editor may create the article in English. If they see a bluelink the thought would never occur to them. Rikster2 (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Jarell Eddie[edit]

Hey. I recently asked for your assistance in backing up with a stubborn user and was wondering if you could help me out again. A user has added Atlanta Hawks to Jarell Eddie's infobox, and despite my efforts, the user has not listened to my explanation regarding why it should not be listed there (Eddie did not make an appearance for the Hawks). You and I have been catalysts for this sort of thing in the past, and since Bagumba was not willing to get involved, I thought I'd come to you. I'd just like someone else to back me up so the user does not think it's just my personal vendetta on the subject. Thanks for considering. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, done. When possible it's usually good to link the consensus discussion so the user can see that you're going by consensus rather than just have a different POV on something undecided. Rikster2 (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Cheers. I actually linked that discussion on the user's talk page – they did not respond and/or heed what I was trying to explain to them. Very frustrating. Thank a lot! DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi Rikster2, I need a favor. Can you walk one editor through the Wiki Policy and general editing style. I'm not that proficient in being someone's mentor, guide, and even bigger reason is that I'm currently not having enough time for such discussions due to the private life duties... Go through his contributions, especially for these weighting more than 10k char., you'll see everything yourself, re-writing of the complete material with no enough citations, stats table format, domestic league stats table coverage, links in section header etc. What is good thing is that the user is willing to cooperate (see his latest contributions). I simply don't have energy for such things, and to be honest don't like it. If you do have some extra free time, please contribute or simply communicate with someone you may know who is willing to do the "dirty work". Ouch, the user I'm talking about - User_talk:ArmstrongJulian. Thanks!--AirWolf talk 21:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


Definitely was an edit conflict that the UI never complained about. Being that it just happened, I remembered clearly that all I did was cut and paste the city/state, not change the college name. Anyways, thanks for catching it.—Bagumba (talk) 21:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Byron Jones (basketball)[edit]

Hello Rikster2, I'd like to ask you a question. You made some edits in this article about Byron Jones (1973 NBA draft) and it seems you know things about him. There was a player named Byron Jones that played for Olympiacos B.C. in the season 1973-1974. He played for Olympiacos in their 1973-1974 European campaign in Saporta Cup along with Charlie Yelverton. Yelverton and Jones where actually the first foreign players that ever played for Olympiacos. So the question is this: Is this Byron Jones (basketball) the Byron Jones I'm looking for? Do you know if this guy ever played in Europe and particularly in Greece for Olympiacos? Do you have any way to find that out? All the evidence favours the fact that we're talking about the same guy. He was drafted in 1973, never played for the Boston Celtics, and it seems quite probable that he came to Europe to play. The article says that he was sent to Israel at first. Anyway, I'd really appreciate any help you can give me on this. Thank you so much for your attention. I'm looking forward to reading your answer. Gtrbolivar (talk) 15:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't know. I'll see what I can find out. Rikster2 (talk) 02:53, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks man. I'll be waiting. Gtrbolivar (talk) 12:09, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Infobox NCAA athlete, etc.[edit]

Hey. Long time, no talk. What's WP:College Basketball's position on having two infoboxes in the same basketball article? (See, e.g., Lindsay Taylor.) Also, are you aware if anyone is still actively using Template:Infobox NCAA athlete for particular college sports? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

shouldn't use two infoboxes. Basketball biography is comprehensive. I just combined the infoboxes for Dawn Staley because there are few good reasons for multiple infoboxes. Rikster2 (talk) 03:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. So, what do you know about the present status of Infobox NCAA athlete? With the flurry of template merger madness over the last year or so, I was surprised to see that it was still around. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it should exist. It's not as comprehensive, it contains irrelevant fields (such as major), and with the merging of the basketball player infobox to accommodate college colors (and the college football player infobox being a more specific/appropriate template than NCAA Athlete), I think it should be done away with. Of course, that would mean manually converting any article with NCAA Athlete to the more fitting infobox, but it still should be done. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Jrcla, I've reviewed about 45% of the remaining 280+ uses of Infobox NCAA athlete over the last 24 hours. As you have surmised, about half of the existing uses need to be manually converted to either Infobox basketball biography or Infobox college football player (about twice as many football as basketball). Many of the remaining uses, however, are orphan articles for notable college athletes from minor sports that do not have a "required" infobox. Would you object to a revamp of the NCAA box so that it utilize the varsity stripe graphics scheme and have sufficient sport-specific options to handle the orphans? Clearly, college basketball, football and baseball already have defined boxes for their use, and this would not encroach on the WikiProject choices that have already been made. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
You pose an interesting point, that a number of articles exist on less popular college sports' athletes. I suppose I'm ok with NCAA Athlete existing if alterations are made to its base format, which eliminate extraneous fields (again, such as major), and add flexibility to the infobox with its color schemes, options, etc. But for basketball, football, and baseball, those athletes ought to be converted to the more appropriate infobox. I did a number of basketball conversions a while back to early All-Americans. Maybe it's time I revisit some of those All-Americans again to do another conversion sweep. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Jrcla, I have not spent enough time looking at applications for the full range of potential uses, but I don't see any problem adding sports-specific parameters for those remaining "orphan" college sports that would use it. As for colors, thanks to Frietjes, we already have a well-defined team colors scheme that includes contrast-compliant text per WP:ACCESSIBILITY, and I see no reason not to use those colors for a revamped Infobox NCAA athlete -- if that's what we decide to do. That's as far as my thinking takes me based on what I know now. I'll report back to you, Rikster and other opinion leaders of the college sports projects when I know more and I have some time to devote to it. It may be two or three weeks before I wrap up some high-priority wiki-stuff. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:24, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


I had already replied to a discussion topic started by somebody else here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_Basketball#Rasheed Sulaimon on Template:2015 Duke Blue Devils men's basketball navbox?. I agree that it's always good to have a discussion, but I honestly don't understand how one could argue that somebody who wasn't on the roster of a team would be in the navbox titled "Duke Blue Devils Men's Basketball 2014–15 NCAA Champions." Feel free to continue the discussion there. -Bluedog423Talk 19:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks I missed the discussion. At the end of the day, I can absolutely live with guys like Sulaimon not being on the template, but there are other players who this policy would affect (like K. C. Jones) and I hope we can reach a good consensus before we knee-jerk over one guy. This would impact 20+ players, not just Sulaimon. Rikster2 (talk) 19:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The End of an Era[edit]

A sad day in Gainesville: [9]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hope you guys get a good replacement. I've heard Mark Gottfried's name. Be afraid. He's fucking terrible. Rikster2 (talk) 00:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Uh . . . yeah. As I'm sure you know, the Gators have a somewhat mixed history of success when importing men's basketball coaches from NC State. I think I would take another Pitino protege first. Hopefully, the program is well enough established that we can hire someone to at least maintain our competitiveness with UK and get us into the tournament consistently. The UAA (athletic association) certainly has the money. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

What's your opinion of Archie Miller? Good match? Long-term potential? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I like Miller. He's young and has a lot of upside. Not sure he can recruit at the level Donovan did, but that probably wouldn't be an issue. Rikster2 (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm. Well, Miller arguably has more coaching experience than Donovan did when he took the Florida job, and he seems to be one of this year's hot commodities. Why do you think recruiting won't be an issue? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
He seems to have a good eye for talent, but there's a limit to what talent is going to come to Dayton and he's done pretty well given that constraint. Plus, his brother is one of the best recruiters in college basketball, so maybe it runs in the family. I was impressed with their NCAA run last year, but this season they were really helped by playing their "first four" game on their home court (they would have lost to Saint Mary's on a neutral floor IMO), then they played heir second game in Columbus. I think his stock is a little inflated by going 5-2 the last 2 NCAAs when in reality it was one impressive run and one lucky seeding break.Rikster2 (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Do you think Miller is the best available pick/fit for Florida? From newspapers accounts, it sounds like Jeremy Foley has already made up his mind. Foley has been a good AD: he hired Billy Donovan, Becky Burleigh, Rhonda Faehn, Kevin O'Sullivan, Tim Walton and Mandy O'Leary, but he also hired Ron Zook, and you can make a really good argument that the Urban Meyer hire was really the university president's and not Foley's. Suffice it to say, there is a lot of anxiety among Gators fans right now. We've lost two top-notch coaches in the last two weeks who had won five NCAA championships between them (Donovan and Faehn), and we're still trying to replace the last championship football coach who left five years ago (Meyer). Gator fans are spoiled rotten, and we expect an average of two NCAA championship teams every year, and for virtually all of the other teams to make serious runs in the NCAA tournaments. There hasn't been this much doubt and uncertainty in Gainesville since 1989-90, before Kruger and Spurrier were hired. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Hard to say. The move coming later hurt you - Shaka Smart had already jumped and Gregg Marshall had already re-upped with Wichita State. I don't know what other options were available to you. If going the "young with potential" route, Miller is one of the better options (along with guys like Bobby Hurley and Richard Pitino). They might be able to pick off a guy like Larry Krystkowiak of Utah with some success at the high major level. Rikster2 (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, I guess were going to find out, assuming Miller accepts the job. Foley needs to make a good pick and close the deal; the Gators are already hemoraghing recruits. As a knowledgeable college basketball fan and an outsider, non-Florida, non-SEC guy, how do you view the Florida program? Is it a top-tier coaching job now? Or do you see it as a middle-of-the-road program that lucked into a top-tier coach for the last 19 years? Good golly, I would hate to think all of the progress made by Kruger and Donovan was for naught. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I don't quite view Florida as a pinnacle job in basketball. It isn't Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc. I'd put it in the next tier with programs like Michigan State, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State where the visibility, resources and recruiting base mean that a really good coach and recruiter can be in the hunt for titles on a reasonable regular basis. How is basketball perceived vis-a-vis football? I would think there is a really big gap, like at Texas. But I don't really know that first-hand. Rikster2 (talk) 20:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Gators football is sui generis because (a) it's the SEC, and the rivalries/relationships among member universities revolve around football in the perception of most alumni; (b) football generates most of the revenue needed to support 19 of the other 20 Gator sports teams (men's basketball pays its own way); and (c) home football weekends are major social affairs that are much more than sporting events -- in fact, for non-rivalry, non-top-20 match-ups, the game itself sometimes feels like a sideshow. Men's basketball is quite popular among students and alumni, but Florida is a school that supports all of its teams -- there will be a couple thousand Gators fans in the stadium for a women's lacrosse or women's soccer game, 1,500 for women's tennis home matches, and 3,000 or 4,000 for a baseball game or gymnastics meet. For a match-up against Alabama or Georgia, the gymnastics team will sell out home meets at the O'Dome. With time and a growing tradition of NCAA success, I would hope the next coach could move the Gators basketball team into the Kentucky-Duke-UNC-Kansas ether; the fan support is there for a successful program, but, admittedly, it will drop by half during a rebuilding season like the Gators just experienced. At a bare minimum, the fans now expect the team to be competitive with Kentucky, and to be in the hunt for SEC championships most years. Basketball is the second sport, but it's a damn popular second sport, and we can thank Kruger and Donovan for that. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
So, what do you think of this: Michael White (basketball)? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, known as an excellent X's and O's coach and a hot young commodity (he's under 40). Kind of risky as he's never been to an NCAA tournament as an assistant or head coach. Rikster2 (talk) 00:42, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I would be curious to know if Miller turned us down, or Foley decided to go in another direction. White is a former SEC player, and had recruited the South for the last four years, so there is some logic to it. Donovan had never been to the NCAAs as a coach, either, but knew march madness well as a player and assistant. I want to feel good about this, but I guess you can never be sure. Foley has a long pattern of picking purported "hot young commodities." For starters, we'll see how White does in keeping the 2015 recruiting class on side; his job gets harder if the class evaporates. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

NBL Canada Finals brawl[edit]

Hello. There has been a massive headline in basketball in Canada regarding the 2015 NBL Canada Finals, in which there was a brawl. I am attempting to expand the article I created about this. Should a separate page be created for the fight itself (and the suspensions, controversy, fines, etc)? TempleM (talk) 02:05, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rikster2: Bump. TempleM (talk) 18:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I wouldn't create a separate article personally. Rikster2 (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Aleksandar Pavlović[edit]

Can you help me with protecting Aleksandar Pavlović from IP edits temporary?--AirWolf talk 13:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Please comment pertaining to new school articles and categories[edit]

I began an important issue that will affect the college football, basketball, and baseball projects. You are a regular editor within any or all of these WikiProjects and your input is requested. Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#University of Texas Rio Grande Valley athletics. Thank you! Jrcla2 (talk) 01:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Monique Cardenas[edit]

I have this article watch-listed because she was a Gator, but I have serious questions whether she is notable per WP:NCOLLATH, WP:NBASKETBALL or WP:GNG. What say you?

Feel free to AfD. I'm just converting info boxes. Since she never played in the WNBA I don't feel strongly. Rikster2 (talk) 02:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I PROD'ed it. Creator was indef blocked in 2007, and there have been virtually no substantive edits since. Article should die a quiet death in 7 days, without burdening AfD. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)