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Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:02, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"He is a male frog"???[edit]

Does poor Michigan have gender identity issues? If not, I think "He is a frog" is clear enough! ---Isaac R 16:59, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Page updated. Thanks for the catch. Rillian 03:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Citadel Edits[edit]

I'm not sure if you are the administrator of The Citadel page, [...] This page won't service cadets and grads, but rather outsiders who are trying to learn about the school... the page that is up there is disgraceful and will give a horrible image to anyone who comes across it. I'm sorry for this if you are indeed not resposible for the content, but I did notice that you had reverted the vital changes that I made in hopes of putting forth the proper image of The Citadel to those that wish to read about it. Regards -- India 05 grad User:Alum05

Talk: VMI[edit]

Rillian, I went ahead and called the KA Order headquarters for help, and they directed me to an online citation regarding the Beta Commission and KA Order commission policies in general. I have added the citations. That should address your citation request. I'll look for the NMMI book for citation as soon as possible (if no one gets to it sooner). Loubocop 16:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rillian, the Beta Commission at VMI is usually listed on the KA site. It is the only "commission", every other listing else is a "chapter". I am an alumnus of VMI and a member of the Beta Commission of the KA Order. VMI policy prohibits being active in any fraternity while a cadet (in the general orders), thus I was inducted into KA immediately following graduation in the 1980s. The practice continues, and it isn't a secret. I know of no written public written policy regarding VMI's Beta Commission. So, I have lived it, but how am I to cite it in a way that meets your satisfaction? A call or email to KA Order would confirm the policy, but how would one cite that? As for the NMMI reference, I have heard it from others, and I have read it in a book published by NMMI which I will try to locate and cite. One of the early staff graduated from VMI and partly modeled NMMI on VMI. It might take a while to find the citation, as I believe the book is in storage. I'll do my best to help there, but it might take a while. Thanks. Loubocop 15:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rillian don't you think we should do something about this person who keeps changing the VMI page? User:John73

Keeping Wikipedia accurate and NPOV is everyone's responsibility. Rillian 03:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Please leave the vmi pages alone. I don't know why you are so obsessed with vmi, but please move on.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marshall3 (talkcontribs) 09:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC) -- moved from userpage Who?¿? 09:39, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Unless you want to spend a lot of time editing, please archive VMI's discussion page. I will keep making the appropriate changes as long as it takes. Additionally, I would appreciate it if you would please leave the VMI article alone. You contributions are always made to detract, not enhance. I understand your view, please try to understand mine... Thanks, Rubicon —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 10:34, 8 August 2005

Rillian, Please find another article to "occupy" yourself with. VMI's page looked great before you started to dilute the facts. Just move on if you can... Signed, Nate —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 23:47, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Rillian, Believe it or not, I am trying to make the article you and I keep working on better. Why don't we try to meet somewhere in the middle on this thing and arrive at an article we both feel content with? I'd like to get something together that represents well and is accurate. I feel like it's fine, but you have some different ideas...Let's work something out. Marshall3 21:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Rillian, PLEASE read my edits before you simply revert to your old saved copy and edits. I'm trying to work with you, not against you. The pictures need to be properly simply looks and flows much better. Also, the "most general officer fact" needs to be in the notable grad section. I've made very few changes to a great article...let's work together on this man... Marshall3 01:55, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

User: Rillian, just wanted to let you know I moved the VMI ratline merge comments, photo comments, and peer review comments to the peer review page. Those entries were a bit outdated and duplicated, so it seemed appropriate to move them where they belong. Just wanted to let you know and to say thanks for all your help with the reads well. Thanks againAlum94 18:45, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Please note that I am not removing any comments, but I am archiving old comments. All comments are available for research purposes, and I kindly ask that you stop reversing my (and other users) edits. Thanks Tuf 16:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Rillian, Regarding the VMI discussion site, I set up a second archive set. This should suffice and satisfy your request. Please let me know when you've got a problem and stop it already with the silly warnings...we don't need to mess around with that. Let's be civil.Tuf 02:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC) Tuf 02:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC) ADDED: Made your requested changes. How's it look now?Tuf 03:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Again, I've made the changes you requested. Please stop vandalizing the VMI talk page. Tuf 04:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Per your suggestion on discussion page, article modified and archives made.Tuf 13:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Again, please stop reverting commentsTuf 14:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Rillian, please "cut it out." I don't appreciate your one-sided reversions and edits...and you know what I'm talking about. Changes have been made to the article to stick to the facts and accomodate the person posing as a graduate. I'd be happy to elevate this issue along with your continual one-sided edits (I've noticed the way you've chosen to edit and organize this page for example) up the chain with other senior admistrators and wikipedia editors if you wish...Marshall3 16:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I have asked you repeatedly to consider other's edits to the VMI page. Yet again, please stop blindly re-editing VMI's page. As it stands, the ranking is accurate and the prayer in the mess issue is completedly dated and irrelevant. Marshall3 17:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove my edits. Article cited is relevant and I do not believe you have been appointed the "keeper" of this article.Blue2221 20:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Again, I've added sources and you have deleted them... I do believe that would be considered vandalism. I do not appreciate your trolling and edit mongering and I ask you to kindly stop.Blue2221 04:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Check cited website and you'll notice "first state military college" is on the school's main website page at the top. Please stop reversing it as it is not a "peacock statement." Also, it is precisely because this school is all military that it is called the westpoint of the south. Period. Placing this statement after the statement about spartan environment (where you continually place it) makes it appear that westpoint has a spartan environment. When compared to VMI, Westpoint is certainly not spartan. You are taking statements in the article out of context and I am once again asking you to stop. Nothing I've placed is untrue or even a's 100% accurate and significant in distinguishing this school from others. You need to stop your senseless edits without looking at the sources. In short, cut it out Koonoonga 23:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


Your recent edits to the John G. Roberts, Jr. page got me thinking. See my comment here, I'd like your input. NoSeptember 13:37, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Primary candidates VFD[edit]

Many of the candidates for the June 14, 2005, congressional primary have been proposed for deletion. I am writing those who worked on election articles to request that they offer their votes against the proposal. The VFD's can be found starting at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_August_8#Peter_Fossett. It is my view that we ought to provide a complete record of the election and my deleting so called "minor" candidates we do a disservice to them and the historical record. Please vote against all these proposals.PedanticallySpeaking 14:54, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Schmidt and Hackett[edit]

You worked on articles on the special election in Ohio on August 2. I have posted my articles on the nominees in that race, Jean Schmidt and Paul Hackett at Wikipedia:Peer review and would appreciate your comments. The individual pages are at Wikipedia:Peer review/Jean Schmidt/archive1 and Wikipedia:Peer review/Paul Hackett/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 19:24, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

SNL Family Connections[edit]

So, just using the word nepotism is a POV? I don't get it. Nepotism means appointment to a job based on kinship. Although some may see negative connotations in the word, it is not inherently negative. It means that someone got a job based on the fact that they were related to someone else in the company. I'm pretty sure Jim Belushi didn't just happen to stumble across a job at SNL by coincidence. Leadpipevigilante 07:07, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


Hey man -- I know we've had disagreements about the possible "unaccounted for" passenger -- but thanks for keeping up the rvs. The page gets too cluttered when people list EVERY single individual (i.e. "Other #1" "Danielle's Crew Member #2," etc, etc. It's good to keep things concise. I also agree with you to NOT include characters who died in the crash (i.e. "co-pilot," "Lake Man," etc.) and CERTAINLY not Jack's dead father. What is your opinion of the "non televised" characters being included? I personally am against this. It is not true canon. Danflave 18:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Rillian -- wanted to thank you for being so thorough with the "Characters of Lost" page! I appreciate all your edits in keeping the page as accurate and free of OR as possible. Danflave 04:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Lost 2[edit]

The Dharma logo does appear on the wreckage. Good try though.

It is also on the wreckage near Christian's coffin, though google was being a bastard with finding that picture.

Cheers, User:Synflame

Episodes of Lost (season 2)[edit]

I made a mistake on my last edit to this article. I used popups and reverted your edit without making an edit summary. My apologies. Anyway, I meant to say that the fact that the two box companies are one and the same was confirmed by the producers on the Lost podcast. -- MisterHand 14:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The Citadel[edit]

Rillian, would like to get your thoughts on adding the Camp names after some of our Grads. Please take a look at the dicussion page and let me know what you think. Thanks for all your help as always, and thank you in advance for your time on this. V/R {Drive2365.217.57.101 17:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)}

RE: AWB new user question[edit]

When you click start, it should load the page, and then the changes pages, showing any changes it made, and the text should be shown in the large textbox, does this not happen? If it is restting, it might be because the servers are being slow. Martin 17:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like it is having trouble loading the page, this may be due to server outage or a problem with your internet connection or browser, make sure internet explorer is working correctly. Martin 19:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


Rillian, I am trying to see if there is some interest in an article about cadets in the civil war. I have started some discussion on the VMI site relative to some facts. However, not sure if I am doing it right since a lot of books are cited. Could you give me a good to go? V/R Drive2368.80.152.145 05:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Gnosticism template[edit]

We seem to have the same agenda... I've gotten into edit conflicts with you three times tonight. I've got to be faster on the ball. :) KI 02:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I am the first to admit, that I am not an authority on Gnosticism.
However in editing the Gospel of Judas article, I noted that no such template existed. I thought it would be a useful template to have to help distinguish 'Gnostic' articles from 'Christian' ones and to provide a common box for articles with a Gnostic theme. I was hoping that this would reduce the number of dogma based battles that occur over edits on the articles about early Christian texts that never became canonized.
I noted that you contributed significantly to that template in your edits, and I wanted to thank you and let you know that I encourage you to continue for the template has already taken on a better form because of your contribution. I'm going to leave this same note on the user page of a few of the others have also improved the template.
LinuxDude 14:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge Vote on Ultraviolet map[edit]

Hi I was thinking about taking this whole merge discussion in an entirely different direction. Instead of merging the info on the poorly named Ultraviolet map into the unfocused The DHARMA Initiative. How about we expand on Silentplanet's idea and create sub sections on known Hatches?

Remember the "The DHARMA Initiative" article is supposed to focus on what it is. Adding more information to "the Swan" only shows that this hatch should be expanded upon in another article. The title of this article after all is not "The DHARMA Hatches." To me it looks like we should put in some information about what exactly the DHARMA Initiative is. We should give some history on it maybe include the information on the film and then some brief information about the hatches and what they are. Hatches that we know more about like "The Swan" should have its own page that would then contain information such as "the Map", "The Timer", etc... I think that this is a more reasonable solution and would also make it a more logical solution as an encyclopedia article. Please let me know what you think (in your talk page)! And if you do agree please note that on your merge vote! Thanks -- UKPhoenix79 04:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Expulsion at BJU[edit]

Sorry, I left out sexual relations when I was shifting things around. But it doesn't fit in the same category as curfew and movie watching. Maybe I'll expand the first paragraph of that section some and include it there where "immorality" is mentioned.

Thanks for the recent editing you did on the BJU page. You got rid of a number of things that I didn't have interest enough to zip. Some time take a look at the Alpha Omega Delta page and tell me whether you think this is a legitimate Wikipedia article.

John Foxe 21:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

VMI? same old same old[edit]

Yup. it seems that User:Marshall3 isn't interested in fact checking, just PR regarding their rings.--Vidkun 01:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi Rillian, I saw and reverted your change to the MoS regarding numbers. Please bring it up on the talk page; such major changes to the WP:MoS can rarely be done without first attempting to gauge consensus. Thanks! --Spangineer[es] (háblame) 12:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

One talk discussion coming up! Thanks, Rillian 14:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Please Help[edit]

Rillian, in the past you have always been right on with edits and changes. Could you please help us now. Some one is making changes to article on The Citadel that are not accurate. Any thoughts or help you could give me as a honest third party would be much appreciated. V/R Drive 2365.217.57.101 21:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The BEST[edit]

Rillian, I wish there was some way we could thank you for your GREAT work in helping us! You are everything that is good about this Wikipedia!!!! V/R Drive 23 17:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Read your changes today and they look great. I added info re STA-21 and MECEP students within the CGPS. These are enlisted active duty members of the Marines and Navy that go to The Citadel to get commissions. THANKS as always! V/R Drive 2365.217.57.101 18:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof![edit]

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Rillian! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Prodego talk 16:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Re: "per cent", "per cent" in MOS[edit]

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BJU-Bibb Graves[edit]

I appreciate your edits, and I won't replace the line you've removed. But it does have revelance to the notion that Graves was defined by his flirtation with the Klan. The three Alabama schools (which have a total of five things named after Graves)would have probably found ways to rename them long since if Graves was remembered for his Klan membership. Also, the entry above Graves, the one for David Davis, mentions the two buildings named for Davis in Youngstown, Ohio.

John Foxe 13:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

A did a few tweaks on your good edits, but I can't figure out why all the linking words are now underlined?

John Foxe 14:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


Am I wrong? If Al Gore would have won do you really believe that there would have been an attack on iraq. (BobShoe 14:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC))


I have been away for a while and saw that you have been helping us out with The Citadel page. As always thank you. Do not let others get to you...your darn good and I agree with your edits 95% of the time, which is good considering I am a little biased. 21:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

On Citadel disambiquation page[edit]

Rillian, I changed the reference on the disambiquation page back to comprehensive vs. liberal arts. I thought we could discuss this here or via email instead of just switching it back and forth ad nauseum.

I have been a prof in the Citadel's electrical engineering department here for nine years and we have faught the liberal arts label as long as we have been here. The presence of a school of engineering makes us a comprehensive college - not a liberal arts college. This is the way The Citadel refers to itself and this is what we are. In 2006, we graduated more majors in engineering than any other discipline except business: Mckinneym 21:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

1984 ad merger[edit]

I beleive that the ad should be merged with apple computer advertising. My reasoning is that, I beleibe that if all the apple advertisements are in the one article, they are easier to compare and contrast. Before it was very difficult to try and find the appropriate article. Now it is a lot easier.Useamac 16:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree with you that the 1984 ad is one of the best and most publicized articles made in the past 25 years however, this does not mean the article content will be any differant if it was part of the apple computer advertising article, it will be collaborated so, all he articles will be easy to access. I will stop reverting the redirection and stop being difficult (I admit I can be REALLY difficult :) at times) but, I do not change my pov. I will add a tag immediately and remove the article. Let's just get over what happened (i overreacted) and move on Useamac 16:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I encourage you to voice your opinion in the merger discussion page (at the bottom of the page, you will find it on the discussion page of the 1984 (Television Commercial) Your opinion is welcomed - not that I think much of it in this case sincerely Useamac 06:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


Dear rillian,

yes, i have used the ip address, to edit stuff on wikipedia - i was away from our house and wanted to add my opinion to the vote however, i am not a puppet belonging to symode09. How do i symode98 prove this to you?

can you please contact symode09 so you can ask him/her to prove it to you?

If I may also ask, what are the grounds on which you accuse me of being a sock puppet?

Useamac 14:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

HI Rillian,
I see you think that User:Symode09 may be operating a sock puppet. I certain that he isnt as there are a group of boarders from Aquinas College, Perth, that have been working on a number of articles all with similar interest, but their individual levels knowledge and skill do vary suggesting that they are different people. They are all recently arrived editors having only found us since November.
If they're causing you problems drop me a note (or if its significant issue email me) and I'll council them on the issues . Gnangarra 23:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Page Move[edit]

Thanks for moving the Apple iPod advertising page. I wanted to move it before, but never found time. Thanks! Arbiteroftruth 03:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


Sorry about the revert. I mis-read it. Your edit looks good. :) Wahkeenah 01:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Your edits on Lost[edit]

Hi, Rillian,

I noticed that you modified the first article link at the disamb page Lost to be "Lost (2004 TV series)" -- this really shouldn't be done, because the title is actually "Lost (TV series)". When piping links, they should either be the accurate name of an article, or an in-context, clear "short form" (such as, the television series, Lost). The matter of adding the date to the article's title is a contentious one, and thus incorporating it in the actual link confuses the matter significantly. See: Talk:Lost (TV series)#Lost (TV series) is ambiguous disambiguation. Thus, I would ask that you revert it back.

Thank you,--LeflymanTalk 19:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


I have reinstated a number of changes I made to the article Astronaut, which you rather hastily reverted, including spelling corrections and clarifications. Blanket reverting a number of changes, including helpful ones, is not helpful to the project, and is merely antagonizing to other editors. I recommend you Wikipedia:Assume good faith, and don't engage in edit war-like behavior. —Swpb talk contribs 00:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Plurality of Initialisms[edit]

Please read the article on plurality since you need to be reeducated on this topic. Notice I did not write this article: . Thank you for doing us all a favor. Todd Gallagher 21:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Rillian, have a look at SMC's talk page (note correct use of apostrophe in this instance) cheers--Bilbo B 14:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for mediation[edit]

Hi, Todd Gallagher made a request for informal mediation here about the article Senior Military College. I don't see that you've been notified of this, or are willing to participate, but on behalf of the Mediation cabal, I am offering to mediate. Some points for your consideration: your participation is entirely voluntary, and can change at any time. Also, I have no power whatever to make or enforce decisions, I can only make suggestions. Please let me know here or on my talk page if you'd like me to mediate. IronDuke 20:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Infobox astronaut[edit]

  • There has been quite a lengthy discussion last September at Template talk:Infobox Astronaut#Astronaut/Cosmonaut regarding the infobox fields and the designation of space tourists. Please don't ignore it and don't modify the infobox violating a consensus which has taken quite some time and has been quite tough to establish. Hektor 14:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Page moves or renames[edit]

Please see Help:Moving a page for the proper way to move a page to a new name. (I've tagged Philip K. Dick Award to be fixed by an admin). Thanks :) --Quiddity 19:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


They were wearing identical test pilot/right stuff costumes, brand new, identical brown leather jackets. I was dissappointed that you felt it appropriate to try and start a revert war over this, likewise that you characterised my edit as trivial. Retracted, my mistake, I was wrong. Gwen Gale 03:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Pete Siebold and Doug Shane[edit]

I wanted to let you know that I reverted your info boxes for Doug Shane and Peter Siebold, as neither one flew SS1 into space, and therefore did not qualify for their astronaut wings. Akradecki 02:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but in the case of civilians who have not been qualified as NASA astronauts, there's only one other way to become one, and that's to receive their FAA astronaut cert, which these two did not do. They're not NASA qualified astronauts, they're not FAA astronauts. They're great men, I know them both, but calling them "astronauts" when they haven't been qualified as such is providing less than accurate information to our readers.Akradecki 02:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, you are correct in a way, there is no such thing in the U.S. as a "pilot's license". We have Pilots Certificates and associated ratings (but we don't have "badges"....I have no idea where you get the idea of a "badge", as there's no such thing). Melvill and Binnie didn't get a "licence" but a rating added to their pilots certificate for flying into space. The other two did not. It wasn't something "honorary", it was an actual rating, so they are rated as astronauts, while Shane and Siebold are not. You can train as a pilot all you want, but until you take the checkride, you don't get the rating or certificate. For the astronauts, you don't get that until you make the actual flight. Though I didn't say this earlier, by calling those who aren't really astronauts such a title, you denegrate the work and qualifications of those who have accomplished it. Let's bring this back to wikipedia-land, though: you have to have verifiability for statements, you don't get to make up stuff yourself. NASA certainly doesn't officially recognize these two as astronauts, so that leaves the only other body who can officially recognize them as astronauts, and that is the FAA. If you can point me to some other official, verifiable source that has designated these two as astronauts, then I'll gladly concur with you on this, but until you can, we should stick with wikipedia verifiabilty guidelines. Akradecki 21:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know why you're suddenly readding these, and referring to a discussion on Astronaut. There's been no new discussion since the last one when it was established that these two are not recognized by anyone official as astronauts. Your persistence in this is approaching the realm of bad-faith edits. Akradecki 01:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I am sure you know the citing reliable sources is an important part of wikipedia. Making claims that cannot be substantiated by vaild, external sources are subject to removal, and should actually be removed by any editor who finds it. In these situations, this editor has requested your attention on this topic and you have ignored them, and continue to re insert the material. If you have source to back up your claims, I will be glad to re-evaluate this. However, should you continue to re-add this material, it will be seen as edit warring, disruption and may reluctantly lead to a short term block. Please find reference before re-adding the material. Thanks -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

That's fair, if...[edit]

Fair enough to remove names from the Bob Jones University page that don't have bios. But it's a double standard to repost Sligh at the same time.--John Foxe 22:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced content[edit]

Why are they different, you ask? Because they are not recognized by NASA or FAA as astronauts, and to present them as such to our readers is deceptive. You know that this has been discussed before, and consensus went against your position, so please, even if you disagree with it, respect it and let it go. Akradecki 15:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

First off, infoboxes are subject to requiring factual verification as much as content in the article. Otherwise, I could throw a country singer infobox, or an aircraft infobox on the article. The argument that it is an infobox and therefore does not count is faulty. Second of all, If a previous discussion has discussed this issue, and in a directaion not in your favor, re-adding it is in bad taste. Please cease re-adding it until this matter has been resolved. Thank you. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Has there been a previous discussion regarding this? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
As far as I can see, there are no sources within the Doug Shane article that reference him as an astronaut. Also, none of the references in Peter Siebold also classify him as an astronaut. If you found sources stating that they were indeed astronauts, I may not be adverse to the inclusion of the infobox. Is there a pilot or aviator infobox? That may seem more appropriate in this situation. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Because it is wrong somewhere else does not mean it is correct here. You are by all means allowed to request verification that other parties are astronauts or remove quotes saying that they are (as long as they remian unverified). Wikipedia articles themselves are not appropriate soruces. I hope you understand this has nothing against anybody in particular, it is just how the policies are written. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
It does not matter if they have done everything in the description. In this situation, that is YOU making the connection. When YOU make the connection, that violates Wikipedias original research issues. If these guys ar ereally astronauts, I am sure it would not be too hard to find a source somewhere that makes that claim (other than a wikipedia article). If there is no sources then it is not verifiable. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I understand your concerns. And actually it is very confusing. How many of the other people with infoboxes can you find a third party source stating they are "astronauts". While there is no official governing body that determines what an astronaut is, you could find a newspaper that refers to them as astronauts, a news report, a websit (as long as it is reliable in wikipedias terms). However, the point of wikipedia is not for US, the editors to make the connection. I know it is hard to understand. It may look like an astronaut, it may smell like an astronaut, but until SOMEBODY ELSE tells us it is an astronaut, it is not. (That is how it is supposed to work). By you saying that there is no official sources that refer to these people as astronauts but they meey the definition, that is YOU making the connection. We as editors are not supposed to make the connection, however write the articles based on an external parties connection. I hope this has helped to clear things up. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect, there are official sources for who an astronaut is. The various branches of the military and NASA award astronaut wings for a reason: this is an official designation. Same with the FAA for commericial astronauts. Shane and Siebold were originally announced at the beginning of the SS1 program as part of the group of four who would become astronauts through the program, but ultimately, instead of each piloting one of the four planned flights, only Binnie and Melvill flew the missions, and only those two were officially designated as astronauts by the FAA. There is sources/cites for this information (which I've already added where appropriate). Akradecki 18:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

←Thank you for being civil through all of this. You are a very patient editor. Your use the country music analogy (which i had used previously). I guess rock music might have been a better example. In the rock music and heavy metal rock music wikiprojects and related articles, there are many edit wars over what genre a band falls within. There are many genres of rock music, grunge, post grunge, heavy metal, etc etc etc. The edit wars that occur are because a group of editors find a source that states something. ANother editor disagress and feels that the bands music meets the description of another genre and changes it. This is an example of how applying an article to a definition can constitute originial research. Good luck finding the sources! I have nothing against any of this, just trying to make everybody happy. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you know when these guys are scheduled to go into space? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Lisa Nowak's First Flight[edit]

Lisa Nowak's First Flight was to be sts-118 not sts-121 sts-121 was later in the manifest before sts-107 made changes in the manifest —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamesbondfan (talkcontribs) 03:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

page move of Astronaut Memorial[edit]

I am proposing a page move of Astronaut Memorial. You have edited that page in the last few months. Normally I wouldn't spam user pages, but since that page does not see much action at all, and I don't want to go thru the work of fixing re-directs if people end up disagreeing, I'm soliciting your opinion prior to the move. If you don't care, or if you only edited the article for anti-vandalism or copyedit work, please ignore this message and accept my apologies for the interruption. Otherwise, please comment at Talk:Astronaut Memorial. --barneca (talk) 19:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Black Swan[edit]

For unknown reasons you keep reverting the removal of the extra dab from Black Swan. Please note that you are coming close to infringing the three reversions rule. 05:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimfbleak (talkcontribs) 00:09, 21 June 2007

please see this request for a 3RR intervention Jimfbleak 17:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
You didn't violate 3rr, but there's clearly some reverting going on. Please discuss the content dispute at Talk:Black_Swan#Slow-burn_editwar and try to self-limit yourself to 1RR. There's no point in filling the page history with reversions. Thanks.--Chaser - T 04:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Why delete valid information[edit]

??? You give no justification for the deletion of this information in Senior Military College. Why? PLEASE DISCUSS CHANGES ON TALK PAGE! BQZip01 talk 03:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, you did. BQZip01 talk 03:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Military Academy Edits[edit]

Reverts without discussion or proper explanation in edit summary are rude, especially when reverting a page where there is a dispute. Please assist in reaching a consensus by discussing your edits on the talk page, rather than reverting without an explanation. Also it makes edit histories much easier to read if edit summaries are accurate. Thanks and happy editing! - Jirt 00:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

STS-118 Crew Mission, Patch Undos[edit]

It's seems to me your very bias, when it comes to edits. You undid my edit, when I added the patches, and and mission info, for the four crew members I did. But not for other three. OH AND FYI, NASA has never changed a shuttle crew this close to launch. Looks like you and Jerry's Soup Nazi have something in common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Subman758 (talkcontribs) 06:29, August 7, 2007

Hee hee, you have guts[edit]

I've wanted to remove the statement about the "First flight of an educator astronaut", but I honestly thought it would cause edit wars, considering how inconsistent NASA has been with the term, so I just left it in, lol. Now that the mission is over, it will probably not get reverted though, so good job! ArielGold 14:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Citizens in space[edit]

Hi!. I see you modified some of the text of Space exploration, apparently to eliminate terms like astronaut, and emphasize these were the first people from the nations in question to go into space. I support that idea, but "citizen" (in the minds of some readers) implies "non-military". And as you know these first-time-in-space people tended to have been in active military service at the times they were launched. I don't want to start an edit war, but nonetheless intend to change these uses of "citizen" to to "person".... (sdsds - talk) 16:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

List of astronauts by selection[edit]

Re: Removal of Malaysian Astronaut program info. I respect your edits a lot, as I hope you know, we've worked on several articles together, and I think you're a great editor. But this issue, I do not agree with your decision to revert me. It is not my opinion at all; if you see the list, there is commentary about new programs, (see Canada's first group, X Prize, etc.) and the brand new Malaysian program is quite appropriate to mention. The program is real, the training is real, and while yes, NASA termed him a SFP, that doesn't diminish the Malaysian program, and it deserves to be mentioned, just as that of Canada, (1983) X Prize, etc. I realize there has been a lot of silly edit warring on the whole Shukor being a tourist/astronaut issue, but I do think that it is really not something that should be edit warred over; the terminology NASA used is because they don't have a designation for someone who isn't from NASA, JAXA, ESA, or RSA, so they use the catch-all term, but there are plenty of references to back up the fact that this program is real, his training was that of an astronaut (not the same training a paying tourist does), the Russian government has confirmed he's a "cosmonaut", and actually have extended an open invitation to Maylasia to send another astronaut to the ISS.

I initially was on the side of those who was calling Shukor a tourist at first, but then I did some research, read up on it, and realized that's not what he is, he's not a "participant", and the sources back this up. Now, consider the list, it is a list of astronauts, and their positions they were selected for, and trained for, i.e. Mission Specialist, Pilot, etc. It is not a list of the position they held when they flew. Now obviously Maylasia is not training these people to be "Spaceflight participants", lol. This is another reason that the term does not work with this list. There is truly no valid reason to use this term in this list, as it is quite specifically a list of the positions they were selected for, and trained for. Therefore, respectfully, I disagree with you removing that section, and I will restore it, as both the terminology, and the commentary, is appropriate for the list's context, and it is backed up by a reliable source (and can be backed up my multiple reliable sources). I hope that this doesn't turn into a big issue, as I hope you can understand the context of the article, the meaning of "spaceflight participant" (used mainly for tourists), and the appropriateness of adding commentary to another country's new program. Respectfully, ArielGold 16:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Spaceflight participant[edit]

Interesting, and good job on the article. I think a hatnote needs to be added somewhere to Space tourism, to direct readers there. I'll work on adding reliable sources, and I moved the Charles blog into "External links" as that's not a reliable source, and added the {{reflist}} template and references section. I'm glad you took the leap to do this, when I suggested it months ago, nobody thought it was a good idea, so I just created it as a redirect to the tourism article. I think this fills a gap, as I'm sure there are people who type in this term and don't really find the tourism article specifically helpful. Thanks for creating it! ArielGold 04:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Me again![edit]

Sorry to bug you again, lol. I thought you might want to weigh in on the flag discussion, Talk:Expedition_16, per the Manual of Style, WP:FLAG, everyone seems to be in agreement that the flag icons are unnecessary decoration and to emphasize nationality over the agency represented seems to be off in context, so we were talking about changing to a new system of simply linking to the agency, such as NASA, RSA, ESA, CSA, JAXA, etc. I thought you might want to get in on the conversation if you hadn't noticed it. :o) ArielGold 01:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi hi :) Again, lol. I'm so bummed about the postponed launch, blah! Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I moved the ECO sensor image back up under the header, because if it is at the end, it would displace the image that will be added for launch day, and displace all images added during the course of the mission. The section will be expanded after today's briefing, so the image won't overlap, but if images are put at the very bottom of sections, it causes layout issues. I hope you don't mind! ArielGold 21:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:SchmidtFamily.gif[edit]

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Star Trek: The Original Series[edit]

Sorry, but I reverted your revert of my edit again. Maybe my edit summary was not sufficient to understand what I have done, therefore here a longer explanation: Although I'm a German, I own Nichelle Nichols Book "Beyond Uhura" in english. It was not available in a German edition, therefore I bought the original. On page 198 Nichols says: "[...] we were probably actually working with significant less money than that. This is why in the third season you saw fewer outdoor location shots, for example. Top writers, top guest stars [...]". Therefore, after my modification it was still a quote, and I think it was even better quoted than before. --Cyfal (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand why you changed the phrase again, without any explanation. The problem with Nichelle Nichols observed that as a result of NBC's actions, "you saw fewer outdoor location shots, for example [in season 3]" is, that its meaning is somewhat ambigous. It can also be the case that "season 3" is the example instead of that examples in season 3 are given. (Changing the phrase into Nichelle Nichols observed that as a result of NBC's actions, "[in season 3] you saw fewer outdoor location shots, for example." would resolve that ambiguity.)
Shurely, from the context of the preceding sentence it is clear what is meant, but why shouldn't we use my version for the citation? My version has also the advantage the ugly brackets are not necessary. And as I said before, it's the correct quote.
Can you explain to me why you changed my version again?
Regards --Cyfal (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, thank you! --Cyfal (talk) 20:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Brethren Court[edit]

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Space missions WikiProject[edit]

Hi, I noticed that you are a member of the Space missions WikiProject. A couple of weeks ago, I proposed that the Space missions and Space travellers projects, which both appear to be inactive be merged into the Human Spaceflight project. Whilst this is being done, the capitalisation of the Human spaceflight project's title would also be corrected (ie. Human SpaceflightHuman spaceflight). The projects are all doing the same/very similar things, and in my opinion, a single, larger, project would be more effective than three smaller, and somewhat inactive projects.. In light of very little response to messages on the project talk pages, I am now sending this message to all members of all three projects, inviting them to discuss the proposal on the Human Spaceflight project's talk page. I would appreciate your opinion on this. Thanks. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 22:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Astronaut does mean American space traveler. Please check here to see that Astronaut is not an internationally accepted name.

I agree that Taikonaut is not universally accepted as chinese space traveler, but US denomination "astonaut" shouldn't overshadow Russian Astronauts (who don't see any reason to call themselves astronauts), or European Spationauts. The acceptance of amercian "Astonaut" as an international term is an unacceptable US-centered term.

Images as hyperlinks in Wikipedia.[edit]

Hello Rillian. Do you know if it's possible to click on an image in Wikipedia, to get to an article - i.e. clicking on the NASA logo to get to the nasa article. Regards Necessary Evil (talk) 15:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy First Day of Spring![edit]

Lists of space travelers[edit]

Your concerns about the different definitions on different pages are appropriate to bring up on the talk page of List of space travelers by nationality or associated pages. RandomCritic (talk) 23:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Younger contemporary[edit]

It's not worth arguing about, but I googled the phrase "younger contemporary" and found a number of first-rate uses of the term. Interestingly, the most scholarly of them are from old reference works. Presumably the phrase is less used these days.--John Foxe (talk) 20:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Enough with the templates[edit]

Time to try to resolve that dispute with words rather than code. Please do not restore those templates, which I already removed once, without clearing it with me, the admin that's looking into the edit warring. I dropped the ip a note, so keep me updated. El_C 01:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Future missions for astronauts[edit]

Hi! I applaud your removal of unflown missions from the astronout infoboxes -- thank-you for taking that stance! That said, I wonder if there is some way we should be consistently indicating on astronaut bio pages when there are upcoming missions they are scheduled to fly. It could be some additional field in the infobox, but it might be better as something more like the {{launching}} template for satellites, that is designed to be removed from the article once the mission is actually flown. Tangentially, have you seen the proposal to create a coordinated aerospace task force for aviation and space biographies? This is the kind of question which would be great for discussion there.... (sdsds - talk) 01:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

I guess you didn't like the fact I called you out. I see you deleted my comments. If I am correct that is against Wikipedia rules. So like I said, you want me to use edit summaries, then make everyone else do it too.--Steve (talk) 01:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Virginia Military Institute[edit]

Comments are being solicited at Talk:Virginia Military Institute#Reaching a compromise. (talk) 15:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Ecuadorian astronaut[edit]

Please take notice: New text has been written for article Ronnie Nader based on many references, this is not text taken from EXA website you may want to compare those, i think you deleted it whithout comparing last time, they are different. Airwolf754 (talk) 12:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Your ce caption[edit]

I appreciate your trying to make the caption more accurate, but they have made it clear that 2 citations is too excessive and they will quickly revert it. I have already hit my 3RR for the day, so I have the version that has already met consensus in other discussion pages. If you replace the caption with this, you should be fine:

On September 20, 2006, Sarah Palin visited Ketchikan on her gubernatorial campaign and said the bridge was essential for the town's prosperity.[1] Duuude007 (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

User Hilbert137 vandalizing article Ronnie Nader[edit]

Your help is need here, this Hilbert137 is vandalizing the article Ronnie Nader that you already checked up in August 2008, please help asap , revert to the state you last checked.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Airwolf754 (talkcontribs) 14:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Welcome note + astronaut terminology[edit]

Hello. Thank you for the welcome message.I would also like to stress I am keen to resolve what I suspect is only a minor difference of opinion on the respective weighting of the inclusion of astronaut & cosmonaut. My view is, very strongly but not aggresively, that both terms are widely used in English (although perhaps not in the US) and this needs to be recognised more than is current. Kind regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The very definitions of astronauts, taikonauts and spationauts fly in the face of any universal use of astronaut : astronauts are American Space travelers, and that's it. And you obstructing it on Wikipedia for jingoistic reasons won't change anything.J-Baptiste (talk) 15:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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Considering the number of comments about you not abiding by wikipedia's common regulations, I hope you'll be banned altogether.—Preceding unsigned comment added by J-Baptiste (talkcontribs)

International Space Station

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Talk:International Space Station#The Failed FAC. Thank you. Colds7ream (talk) 22:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Inauguration of Barack Obama[edit]

Thank you for the editorial assistance that you gave to help improve this article. Keep up the good work as we try to take this article to WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Page moves[edit]

Hi, Rillian. You moved Presidents Day (United States) to Washington's Birthday back in May, but you did so through copy-paste. This is a problem because editors are required to be given credit under the terms of the GDFL. This is accomplished through the edit history, and by copy-pasting articles, the edit history is severed from the text (this effectively nullifies the GDFL for that article). If there are redirects in the way of a move, you can simply request an admin perform the move for you at WP:RM, or slap a {{db-move}} on the redirect. I already fixed this article, so don't worry about it, just keep it in mind for the future. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 19:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Charles Simonyi[edit]

I understand that Simonyi is one of the few Hungarians (the first?) to travel into space. His ethnicity in this case is important and thus should be stated in the opening paragraph. However, as with every biography on Wikipedia of a living person, we also state their nationality. I understand why someone would want to state his ethnicity, and I agree that is important in this case. But placing emphasis on his ethnicity over nationality violates our Manual of Style, which states that "Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." In this case, it is. However, nationality is always reqired, which "will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable." Simonyi became notable when he worked with Microsoft in the U.S., and again when he went into space, and in both cases he was an American.-- (talk) 18:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


If you are going to make changes, such as the removal of the mission duration for STS-128, then you should do the same for ALL missions, see STS-125 and STS-127.--Navy blue84 (talk) 17:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ronnie Nader[edit]

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STS-134 and STS-133 have both been base lined as launching NET July 29, 2010. However only one is going to get the slot. They base lined them like this so that they can decided which one they want to fly first. In order to say that 134 is going before 133 for sure is stupid. A change request has to be filled, which it has not, and it needs to be approved before it can happen. Unless you can publish a reliable source that says the CR has been submited and approved then please don't change it. I know and just about every one who follows the SSP knows STS-134 is probably going to fly first, but until a reliable source publishes that information, it should be left alone. I will also add a section to the talk page so people can comment, and if consensus is given for your change then I will go with it. But untill such time, I think it should be left like it is.--Navy blue84 (talk) 16:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Mission insignias[edit]

Rillian, mission insignias are unhidden when a mission is complete. This has been the way its been done since I joined Wikipedia, and as far as I am aware this policy hasn't been changed. Please lets leave it this way. Only completed missions should be shown in the info box.--Navy blue84 (talk) 02:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

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MSE article created[edit]

I wanted to let you know that I've created an article on the Manned Spaceflight Engineer Program. YLee (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Patrick Lang[edit]

Rillian, if I understand the latest edit activities (edit wars?) on the Patrick Lang article correctly, you want to make it appear as an autobiographical entry? Or add a Autobiography category. Do you have any evidence Patrick Lang is involved in the article? It feels very unlikely to me. Anything I should know, admittedly I am not an insider? Has Omarcheeseboro convinced you it should be added? I do not have the time to look closer into this, so I'd appreciate your help. LeaNder (talk) 14:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Public colleges and universities in Virginia[edit]

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By changing oz to g as the lead, you are changing the amount of g so that it is no longer supported by the ref.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


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Do you have a source to say that Clervoy is or was a CNES astronaut ? AFAIK he has been directly recruited by ESA. Hektor (talk) 16:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the heads-up. This is new to me. Hektor (talk) 17:01, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Request for input[edit]

Could you offer any suggestions at Talk:Shenzhou 7‎#Rewording EVA? Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


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All-veteran crews[edit]

Regarding this edit, there are a few more which I have posted at Talk:STS-132#All veteran crew. Perhaps you should revisit this edit? -MBK004 07:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


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Spaceflight portals[edit]

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Helen Sharman[edit]

I see your logic but on Sunita Williams, the patches represent separate missions and expeditions. However, with Helen Sharman. These two missions are one individual mission. Technically, she is not a member of the Soyuz TM-11 crew. Tyrol5 [Talk] 18:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Sharman is as much a member of [[Soyuz TM-11] as Williams is of STS-117. Williams' name is not on the STS-117 patch and presumably only trained for duties with that crew related to re-entry. How is that different from Sharman? Rillian (talk) 18:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
According to the article, Williams trained as a mission specialist for the STS-117 crew, whereas Sharman was a Research Cosmonaut as opposed to a career cosmonaut and likely did not have many if any technical duties aboard Soyuz TM-11. Tyrol5 [Talk] 19:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Her technical duties would have been the same on TM-12 as on TM-11. We already list TM-12 and TM-11 in the infobox under missions, why not both patches? Rillian (talk) 19:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I always thought it would be better to list both missions (up and down) but only include one patch (up) to clarify the fact that it is one mission altogether, this is how it's done in other articles about non-career astronauts and cosmonauts. Is there a policy that says anything about this? Tyrol5 [Talk] 19:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Human spaceflight activity[edit]

Hello there! As part of an effort to determine how many active editors are present in the spaceflight-related WikiProjects, I have made some changes to the list of members of WikiProject Human spaceflight. If you still consider yourself to be an active editor in this project, I would be grateful if you would please edit the list so that your name is not struck out - thus a clearer idea of the critical mass of editors can be determined. Many thanks in advance!

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WikiProject Spaceflight reboot[edit]

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User talk:Sladen#Infobox Astronaut[edit]

Please could you take the time to reply at User talk:Sladen#Infobox Astronaut. —Sladen (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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Bill of Federalism[edit]

I noticed you posted the notability tag at the top of this article. I agree that this article seems to be the self-publication of the individual and lacks notability. I checked the links provided as sources, none of them mention the "Bill of Federalism" other than the author's own article in the Wall Street Journal. I would be willing to support it's deletion. Squad51 (talk) 04:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Numbering of Apollo missions[edit]

The most authoritative sources, NASA history, document how the policy was established for renaming the early missions. The Apollo Spacecraft: a Chronology, Vol. IV part 1 gives the process George Mueller gave to number all the missions, honoring the Apollo 1 widows' wish while minimizing contradiction and confusion. George Low sent him two alternate suggestions, both of which he rejected. Using Apollo 2 and Apollo 3 appears to be based on one of these, but you're even getting that reversed.

"In a letter to George E. Mueller, OMSF, on March 30, MSC Deputy Director George M. Low offered two suggestions, in keeping with the intent of the NASA instruction yet keeping the designation Apollo 1 for spacecraft 012. NASA Hq. had approved that designation before the January 27 fire claimed the lives of Astronauts Virgil I. Grissom, Edward H. White II, and Roger B. Chaffee; and their widows requested that the designation be retained. The suggestions were:
[The first one was rejected out of hand; considering AS-201, 202 and 203 to be extensions of the Saturn I flights and resuming the numbering of what was Apollo 4 as Apollo 2, etc.]
2. Designate the next flight Apollo 4, as indicated by Headquarters, but apply the scheme somewhat differently for missions already flown. Specifically, put the Apollo 1 designation on spacecraft 012 and then, for historic purposes, designate 201 as mission 1-a, 202 as mission 2 and 203 as mission 3."

So note that AS-202 would have been Apollo 2, not 3, and vice-versa. The fact that 202 wasn't ready in time, and thus was launched after 203, just adds more confusion. (Also, it wouldn't make much sense to call AS-203 Apollo anything, since it didn't carry a spacecraft. But that's admittedly OR.) But moot, anyway; Mueller's final ruling:

"A memorandum to the NASA space flight Centers, North American Aviation, and certain Headquarters personnel from the NASA Assistant Administrator for Public Affairs on April 3 stated that the Project Designation Committee had approved the Office of Manned Space Flight's recommendations and that Mueller had begun implementation of the designations.
On April 24, OMSF further instructed the Centers that AS-204 would be officially recorded as Apollo 1, "first manned Apollo Saturn flight - failed on ground test." AS-201, AS-202, and AS-203 would not be renumbered in the "Apollo" series [emphasis added], and the next mission would be Apollo 4."

Even a New York Times reporter (John Noble Wilford who is normally a reliable 1960s-70s space source, can occasionally get it wrong. In We Reach the Moon he refers in a footnote to the first three flights being renumbered Apollo 1, 2, and 3 (with no mention of how that contradicts the widows' wishes) and generally indexes the fire as AS 204, though he does mention the astronauts named it Apollo 1.

Plus, does really qualify as a reliable source? Its privacy policy says it is exclusively the work of one Frasier Cain, but it seems to be another wiki (the "Apollo 3" article is by a Jerry Coffey.) I can't find any source citations (wait a minute; here we are: "There is a great article on the Apollo 3 mission here." That would be a circular reference.) I've seen some editors express skepticism about Encyclopedia Astronautica, but that looks more scholarly than this site appears to be; at least Mark Wade provides references.

I have done some Google searching for references to "Apollo 2" or "Apollo 3", and haven't found anything reliable. I've found mirrors of Wikipedia, or people who cite Wikipedia, or fan- or student-level sites. I even found a complete absurdity: a "picture of Apollo 2" which was a Saturn V on its pad! (Explain that?)

I don't think Wikipedia should contribute to spreading more misinformation than it already has. If we want to mention the alternative Apollo 1A/2/3 plan, fine, but I don't think we should identify any particular mission as 2 or 3, since that never officially happened. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

P.S.: Also, please see the discussion at Talk:AS-202, and feel free to pick this up there. Thanks. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:59, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

Hi, I've noticed you've been using "copyedit" as an edit sumamry quite a bit, but many of your edits are not what most people would think of as copy-editing and would benefit from a more descriptive summary, especially since some of them may prove to be controversial. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia: WikiProject United States presidential elections[edit]

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Lost ski areas in Montana?[edit]

If I read the history correctly, in March you added Shangri-La | Sundance | Willow Creek as defunct ski areas in Montana. Do you have any more information on these ski areas?--Jeff Schmerker (talk) 15:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Jeff Schmerker

Automatic number?[edit]

The hyphen is necessary for non-experts to parse. It's fine for people who read this item every day, but not for others. The style guides insist on this kind of hyphen. The article needs to be moved back. Tony (talk) 13:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "non-experts to parse"? Automatic Number Plate Recognition is a proper name and doesn't use a hyphen in most sources. Rillian (talk) 17:20, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Holy [expletive][edit]

you're still editing? I bumped into you eight years ago! --Typoheaven II (talk) 08:55, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Neil Armstrong: NASA Astronaut[edit]

There's no such thing as an Air Force Astronaut. Neil Armstrong was a former Naval Aviator who became a NASA Astronaut. He may have participated in a program led by the Air Force, but he was never in the Air Force. This is born out by his Navy and his NASA bios. Unless you have a valid citation to prove otherwise, please stop adding false information to his site. --Revmqo (talk) 22:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


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2012 Election[edit]

OK, I granted you the "re-election" vs. "election to full term after ascending to full term" point, but this is starting to seem silly. Everything I've added concurs with cited, verified information that is not original research on other Wikipedia pages. Unlike the only cited sentence in that section, the information is objective. The one and only citation in that whole section links to an opinion piece from a left-leaning publication. That is POV. The information I added was not POV—if it were, I'd have added something about how if a candidate as bad as Mitt Romney had been running against another candidate (perhaps even a white candidate), Obama would have made Reagan's 1984 landslide look like Truman's 1948 near miss—which I can cite. The edits are absolutely, 100% consistent with similar edits I made to the pages for the elections of 1812, 1832, 1892, 1916, 1940 and 1944 on that same day. Obama won rare victories, and he also saw atypical losses. If you can copy edit/simplify, great. I appreciate it. Please stop removing factual and verified and objective information because you're assuming bad faith or because it's any less "cited" than anything else in that section. JCaesar (talk) 00:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

English astronauts[edit]

Please do not empty this category again deliberately.--MacRùsgail (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

My edits are completely in line with usage elsewhere. Do you propose to remove all the people from Category:English people by occupation as well? --MacRùsgail (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

The United Kingdom is made up of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales (Cornwall is another matter.) English is a subcategory of British. I know you Americans don't understand the difference between the two, but it's not that hard to understand.--MacRùsgail (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Beg pardon; I misread/couldn't find the right license notices on the website. HaugenErik (talk) 01:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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I have read all the diffs of all the edits committed to the article since the beginning of 2009 (since before I started editing Wikipedia). I see the great majority of edits over that span have been vandalism (often by I.P. editors, presumably teenagers, inserting the names of their classmates in charts of IQ classifications) and reversions of vandalism (sometimes automatically by ClueBot). Just a few editors have referred to and cited published reliable sources on the topic of IQ classification. It is dismaying to see that the number of reliable sources cited in the article has actually declined over the last few years. To help the process of finding reliable sources for articles on psychology and related topics, I have been compiling a source list on intelligence since I became a Wikipedian in 2010, and I invite you to make use of those sources as you revise articles on Wikipedia and to suggest further sources for the source on the talk pages of the source list and its subpages. Because the IQ reference chart article has been tagged as needing expert attention for more than half a year, I have opened discussion on the article's talk page about how to fix the article, and I welcome you to join the discussion. The draft I have in my user sandbox shows my current thinking about a reader-friendly, well sourced way to update and improve the article. I invite your comments and especially your suggestions of reliable sources as the updating process proceeds. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:41, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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