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Keeping an eye on stuff. Meanwhile, here is some music.


Your GA nomination of A Trick of the Tail[edit]

The article A Trick of the Tail you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:A Trick of the Tail for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sparklism -- Sparklism (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for In the Land of Grey and Pink[edit]

Pink sky at night, Shepherd's Delight
Sheep drowned in the morning, Global Warming
A golf girl for you!

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

See comment at the same header on Martin --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Have you ever seen anyone file an RfA saying they'd like to use the tools to unblock people? Would be a refreshing change, I'd have thought. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Would be refreshing. How would you, aspiring admin, perform the requested close on Beethoven? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
D -> E7 -> A (pause) ... as seen here, of course! But to give a more productive answer, have a read of this, specifically this bit (paraphrased slightly), "Admins always refused to resolve conflicts ... an editor would get into an argument with a reviewer ... they would argue back and forth, discussing the issues ... they would stomp into some admin's talk page hoping for a resolution .... Who's the person who knows least about the problem? Obviously it's the admin - who was just hauled in at the last minute for Conflict Resolution". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
If the admin had been there before the last minute, he would not be independent, right? - This is an easy case, I think. Just ignore every comment that is not to that article but general (something arbcom requested all participants to avoid): what is left? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
ps: as an aspiring admin, you noticed of course that there was a close attempt before which was not accepted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Aspiring no more ;) - congrats. Short because a friend and inspiration died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
(Sorry to hear that about Viva-Verdi, Gerda. That's a real loss to the project.) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
(more) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Just saw this. Such sad news. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:39, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


I'm pleased you are going through the RfA, and it looks certain to be successful. On at least one of the questions you have been asked, it might be worth revisiting Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Unblocking and Wikipedia:No legal threats. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@SilkTork: Thanks for the support. In the case of Q9, I felt that "I swear I'll sue Wikipedia if you carry on treating me like this!" was not a credible legal threat, but rather simply a mix of frustration and responding in kind to an admin violating all sorts of policies, not least WP:INVOLVED and WP:CIVIL. Wikipedia:Don't overlook legal threats is one of my favourite essays; its advice is good for handling any sorts of interactions with BLP subjects and their articles. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:25, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Agree with SilkTork; your RFA was quite overdue! Snuggums (talk / edits) 08:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Good luck on your adminship, reading this edit here [1] was enough convince me. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:19, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Johann Baptist Wendling[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:29, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Having fun?[edit]

Are you enjoying maintaining your attack page? I see you've cravenly neglected to answer my questions at your RfA. Are you happy with the reversion of obvious improvements to articles that you've played such a large role in encouraging? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:59, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Are you editing as an IP to evade a block? Tell the truth, now. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:01, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, as a matter of fact, they are. (Although you didn't really expect them to admit it, did you?) This IP has been identified as the "best known for IP" and has been blocked. Their reference here to "my questions at your RfA" proves that those IPs were also the same person, although they were not formally identified and blocked. --MelanieN (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
The edit warring on Wilderness hut was ridiculous (and remember it takes more than 1 to edit war so I am taking no sides in that feud) and I am pleased the page is now semi-protected. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
That you are happy with an article that contravenes WP:NOT and contains such sentences as "The fires should never left unattended", "Often no WC exist", and"Rubbish should't be buried" shows exactly what kind of editor you are, and how little it means to you that this place is supposed to be an encyclopaedia. (talk) 01:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Editor of the Week[edit]

Editor of the week barnstar.svg Editor of the Week
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for efforts to save articles nominated for deletion. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:MelanieN submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Ritchie333 is one of the best Wikipedians I know. He specializes in saving articles. He will find an article nominated for deletion at AfD or CSD, recognize that the subject is worthwhile, and improve it until it is a perfectly acceptable Wikipedia article. His saved articles are often featured at DYK. He has even gotten a few to Good Article status; he is the living embodiment of Wikipedia:The Heymann Standard. See User:Ritchie333/saves for a partial list of his rescues. He also does a lot of work at GA, both in promoting articles to GA status (38 at last count) and in reviewing the GA nominations of others. He has created more than 60 new articles. He participates in, and occasionally closes, discussions at ANI, where his contributions always demonstrate courtesy and common sense. He certainly deserves to be Editor of the Week.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

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  • Thanks again for your efforts! In keeping with our custom to avoid awarding administrators, we managed to sneak this one in in the nick of time. Congratulations both on receiving this award and on your impending adminship. All the best, Go Phightins! 17:16, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congratulations on being Editor of the Week, and you have no idea how close this award came to not being presented! You have been in the queue to receive the EotW award for a couple of months, and your name came up today - when you are obviously within a few hours of becoming an administrator. As an admin you would not have been eligible for Editor of the Week. Timing is everything in life. Thanks for making it happen, User:Go Phightins! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 17:22, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (ec)Congrats! Melanie nominated you months ago. We are honored to have you in our Hall of Fame! . Buster Seven Talk 17:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Well done 333s, old chap - have a triumphant Fanfare for the Common Editor!! ... not 'arf pop-pickers!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your service on Wikipedia, and congrats on the award! --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 17:42, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Need help with a rescue[edit]

(This is what I actually came here to say - whereupon I found you had just been awarded EotW.) I know this note is likely to get lost - in between the congratulations for Editor of the Week and the party that is likely to erupt in a mop-awarding thread within the next few hours. But the article Lamont Johnson (jazz bassist) really needs your help. I rescued it from G3 (I don't know what that nominator was thinking, the subject is obviously not a hoax) and added a little context. But making it into a proper article will require a musician's touch which I don't have. Can you find a little time for rescue work? --MelanieN (talk) 17:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

The trouble with this one is that he has often been credited as "E LaMont Johnson" on records, and there are quite a few other notable Lamont Johnsons, which means you have to be very careful to look for context when citing sources. With that in mind, it took a while to get his AllMusic page, but I've got it and it looks like he's been on enough major label album releases to just squeak into WP:MUSBIO. I'll carry on looking, and I highly suspect he will have done news and magazine interviews in the 1970s and 80s that just aren't online. And G3 ... I mean, I can believe people doing an A7, but honestly! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I dropped the nominator a note on their talk page - although I was too polite to say "WTF were you thinking?" Thanks for getting right on it. I was wondering if we may need a disambiguation page since there are actually THREE Lamont Johnson pages here now:
What do you think? --MelanieN (talk) 17:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm. Certainly policy suggests you don't need a disambiguation page, as only Lamont Johnson and Lamont Johnson (bassist) require actual disambiguation, and the former looks more notable than the latter. I think you just need liberal amounts of {{for}} and {{distinguish}} tags, myself. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Done. --MelanieN (talk) 18:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Your request for adminship[edit]

It's not even the right bloody size

Hi Ritchie333, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations on the positive result and for your place on WP:RFX100. As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin school is most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck with your adminship! Acalamari 21:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Congrats! =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Certainly well deserved, congrats! Kharkiv07 (T) 21:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Well done! No doubt a T-shirt will be forthcoming shortly!  Philg88 talk 21:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Export hell seidel steiner.png Congrats Ritchie! I knew you'd succeed in an RFA, so now let's celebrate!! Here's a beer for you. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Wow. So quick, "Threesy", I never had time to object!! I demand a recount. Just remember... "being a Wikipedia Admin is a lot like making love to a beautiful woman" (not clear how exactly, but I'm very sure it is) ..... or even a lot like being a strong and impartial host on the BBC's flagship current affairs programme Question Time. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Martin, I am somewhat intrigued exactly how you have come up with this analogy, but sometimes there are things that a Wikipedian is best off not knowing. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Well the latter one is pretty clear - complete with that explanatory video! So I guess it must be the former. I do hope Mrs Threesy doesn't take offence (for multiple good reasons). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC) )... and there's nothing wrong with BEANS, I might add!) Everyone knows you're too good to be an Admin. But I trust you still take Paypal.
Yes, well done – we've had very little interaction but it was very much appreciated – congratulations. Nortonius (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
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Congratulations and welcome to the admin corps! I was going to offer you a beer but I see Snuggums beat me to it. Well, a second beer is always appropriate for a party. --MelanieN (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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Did someone mention party? Your answers displayed a refreshingly forwarding attitude. Congrats! . Buster Seven Talk 22:12, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
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  • Congratulations Ritchie333 - Very well deserved, Here have a beer on me :), –Davey2010Talk 22:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
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Looks like a binge of support. Fine RFA! Binksternet (talk) 22:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Mmmm, yes, "slip into something velvety". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
This is great news: well done. DBaK (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Nice one! Irondome (talk) 22:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congratulation, Ritchie. Well earned. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congrats. Now go slash your best friend's car's tires and tell them to their face that you did it! --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 23:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congrats, Ritchie! Your t-shirt has arrived. Now, I suppose that I had better enjoy my final hours of editing, seeing that I'm second in line to be blocked. (Could you at least spare me until I finish that GA review for you?) Ah, well, it was fun while it lasted... ;) --Biblioworm 00:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, in that case User:Aaaron.A.Aardvark only has minutes left. Irondome (talk) 00:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congratulations My condolences on your upcoming servitude =) Mkdwtalk 00:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congratulations, especially on the degree of support you enjoyed by the community! --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 01:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Seems like I missed a party--again. Well done, Ritchie: congratulations. Drmies (talk) 03:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Well done - I voted you support. Please keep up the great work --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 05:54, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi everyone. Thank you all so much for your kind words and support. Without wishing this to turn into an Oscar speech, I'd like to thank @MelanieN: and @SNUGGUMS: for persuading me to give RfA a go, @Kudpung:, @Yunshui: and @Drmies: for the nomination, @Dennis Brown: for giving me the original inspiration that Wikipedia admins can actually be really good people, and everyone for participating. Some of the questions were mildly taxing, but ultimately I found that if you know enough to be an admin and can read constructive criticism without reacting to it, RfA does seem to be no big deal after all these days. Anyway, back to West Pier now.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Apparently, new advice to admins is never replace the contents of the main page with a picture of a cock..... the way, can another admin explain to me why I now have a button called "deli-batch"? It that something to do with the secret deli counter that everybody has repeatedly denied existence of? Can you order a tasty footlong sub sandwich? If so - yum! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Nah, sorry. It's just a ticketing system, like at a deli-counter, where every naughty editor gets seen strictly in order. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Would that it were so - this should explain some of your fancy new buttons, Ritchie. Yunshui  14:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Crikey, that button looks like Wikipedia's version of a massive nuclear warhead! You might as well rename it "please desysop me now for being such an insane douchebag" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, you want this puppy... Yunshui  14:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Also, belated congratulations! Yunshui  14:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • CONGRATULATIONS!! Jianhui67 TC 14:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congratulations and wishing you the best and many years. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 15:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congrats! Well-deserved. Prhartcom (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
How about it? Epic Genius (talk) 18:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! Want to celebrate with some drinks? They're on me. Epic Genius (talk) 17:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Best to you Ritchie. I'm confident you will find a place and way to do good stuff here. Dennis Brown - 20:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Dennis, and everyone else. I don't want to trample on any admin's shoes, obviously I have a way of working, so do others. Already disagreed (politely and agreeably!) over some semi-protections. And do any other admins write stuff like this I wonder? And come on Epic, how about a real drink? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Well played dude. Of course, if I'd have noticed it, I would have strongly opposed it. You now are indoctrinated to a world of shite from people who will stalk your edit history, find out who you are and make your life a misery. Having said that, at least you can (nearly) delete the main page. God speed, I have absolute trust in you, for what it's worth, you'll do a fine job. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I figure that EEng will never speak to me again as I am now an "abusive admin" who can block him for the lulz :-( Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
My plan is working perfectly. You will receive fresh instructions on the usual frequency. EEng (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Plus you can now block that pest... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, did someone mention "abusive admin." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure I have a t-shirt somewhere which mentions that... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Congratulations, and please continue working on articles and collaborations despite the mop. Cheers, North America1000 23:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Belated congrats (I'm still travelling). If you need any help while you're finding your feet around the tools don't hesitate to ask me. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Well done Ritchie - and well deserved. — sparklism hey! 15:31, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I see that your new status hasn't messed up your impeccable judgment. Well done. Hey, Kudpung, pretty decent RfA harvest these days. Drmies (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm late to the game, but I still want to add my name to the list of people offering congratulations. Name Omitted (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of West Pier[edit]

The article West Pier you nominated as a good article has failed Symbol oppose vote.svg; see Talk:West Pier for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. --Biblioworm 15:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry; just joking! I just Symbol support vote.svg Passed the nomination a few minutes ago, but I had some difficulties getting the topic on the talk page's GA tag correct. Apologies if I made the review complicated and frustrating. I should consider making my own GA review survial t-shirt. ;) Regards, --Biblioworm 15:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Aren't you lucky I've got a sense of humour ;-) .... seriously, the best way I found to close off GA reviews is to copy and paste the original "page", "topic" and "subtopic" fields off the opening template, which keeps it all in sync. You'd have thought that somebody would have done a Twinkle-type widget for all this. I seem to recall Technical 13 or someone like that was pondering about writing it. Anyway, thanks for a good review. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Huh? Please refresh my memory. I know I did some stuff to fix expensive parser function issues on the GAN page, but I don't remember all the details or what I planned to do moving forward. If there is interest in a script, I'm willing to research and put something together. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:37, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I can't for the life of me remember; it's buried somewhere in the WT:GAN archives. A button that's like the AFCH tool for AfC submissions would be an absolute godsend, and the spec for what files you need to change and when is pretty straight forward; if you poke the talk page templates in the right order, the GA bot can pretty much handle everything else. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:41, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of West Pier[edit]

The article West Pier you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:West Pier for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Biblioworm -- Biblioworm (talk) 15:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Print media and WP:CSD#A7[edit]

You say A7 doesn't apply to print media[2]. Where did you get that? How/why are print media special? A7 only calls out education institutions as special cases. The Dissident Aggressor 21:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@DissidentAggressor: The criteria in question refers only to people, organisations, animals, web content and events - nothing else. Since CSD bypasses the usual consensus building procedure at AfD (or the implied one at PROD), the criteria are narrowly defined and only those specific topics qualify. As you can see from this, Music Tech is a professionally published journal by Anthem Publishing, it does not qualify. There are many other topics that do not qualify for A7 even if unsourced - books is one, films, albums, video games and manufactured products are some more. You may be interested to read the relevant area in the field guide. Additionally, a quick spin through Google Books shows that several of the journal's contributing authors are experts in their field, two specialists in Logic Pro have written commercially published books (and the stock Hammond organ module on Logic is jaw-droppingly amazing for a computer program). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 05:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
I suppose it could be argued that a magazine is a product and not an organization - which seems to be at the core of your logic. They can be either. The Dissident Aggressor 12:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
But surely a better thing to do is add a reliable source ... then the debate becomes moot :-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:56, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't get downhearted[edit]

Hi, a lot of people are pointing out errors in how you reviewed my bacon sandwich hook. We all make mistakes and sometimes we jump too quickly when something looks interesting and exciting. You're a good editor '''tAD''' (talk) 02:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

At the recent South Thanet election, Nigel Farage speculated that losing to the Tories was not so bad, considering that on the day after election in 2010, he was in intensive care following a serious air crash. That's some good perspective that's worth bearing in mind whenever Wikipedians tear each other's heads off. For all this hyperbole about "sharing the world's knowledge", to the man in the street Wikipedia is just some website somewhere - that's it. You're a good editor too, by the way. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 05:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Record companies and A7[edit]

So many notable pubs.... little time

So you're now saying that because a company worked with a notable product, they're asserting importance. Every beer distributor and bar on the planet is now ineligible for A7 with that false logic. The Dissident Aggressor 12:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

If they serve notable beer, yes, and if the bar has notable customers (eg: Sun in the Sands, Le QuecumBar, Dublin Castle, Camden, Black Prince, Bexley ... indeed anything linked from List of pubs in London - why not try a pint in each?) then yes! You really are best off having the full AfD debate if in doubt, and it's worth remembering that we're here to write an encyclopedia, not destroy one. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Or if they serve bacon sandwiches? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Well that's The Globe, Glossop out of the window isn't it. Still, Snake Pass is not too far away, so it's not the end of the world.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
I was going to comment about the rate that I've been creating articles since you felt compelled to comment that we're here to build an encyclopedia, but I realized that you created the article, Pink cat. That's even better than the Social impact of thong underwear. You and I are definitely here to create a different (level of quality) encyclopedia. Congrats on the admin bit. The Dissident Aggressor 17:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
And here's a pub notable enough for User:Drmies, I'm sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
  • DissidentAggressor, denying a speedy is done with the lowest possible bar in mind: does the article make a credible claim of importance? Since (foolishly, perhaps) we have decided that a record company is notable if they have a few notable bands, the claim suffices for speedy purposes. (The irony is that a band can become notable if they're with a notable label, so all you have to do is to write up the label and a few bands, and they can be crappy articles with poor claims, I suppose.) Martin, how does a 17th-c inn go back to the civil war? And why isn't the proper term used, "Wah between the states"? Drmies (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
@DissidentAggressor: The funny thing about pink cat is that there was this page, User:Drmies/Pink Poodle that was just .... well, random, and I thought "well if Drmies can do it to dogs, bugger it I'll do it to cats", then realised what would be even funnier is if it was a real article, then the joke's on Wikipedia. Yes, incredibly, there are an elite band of admins who actually create content .... or is it an elite band of content creators who protect pages every now and then? As for Social impact of thong underwear, well that's just as bad as Justin Bieber on Twitter really. Anyway, yes I've declined the odd speedy or two.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
I trust I can call on you for support with my new DYK nom: Social impact of thong underwear on Justin Beiber? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
After Dr. Young, the sky's the limit at DYK. EEng (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Try telling Justin that, you heartless troll! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

spamlinks as references[edit]

"I wonder if they've got Ethel the Aardvark goes Quantity Surveying in here?"

Linking to a shop site is probably not the best way to provide WP:RS. Pretty much every product on the planet has an e-commerce site that says something about it, but they're not encouraged as references. The Dissident Aggressor 15:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

The term "spam" means the same thing lots and lots of times. WH Smith is one of the most established newsagents in Britain, and has been established in one form or another since 1792. You cannot just take any fanzine off a printing press, walk in, and expect them to start selling it. I really don't understand why you are getting so angry and upset over a music magazine, which I would count as a perfectly good reliable source for any article about music gear. I think you're going to need to send this article to AfD, or start a conversation on the reliable source noticeboard. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how you're imputing anger in anything I'm doing, but I'll state that I think you're being downright sloppy:
  • I'll remind you that there's only one "R" in WP:BRD. You should have discussed and reached consensus before reinstating your reverted edit. You have no more right to reinstate it than I do to continue removing it. I can't figure out why you would self-declare your correctness, closing discussion, reinstate your edit and state that the burden is on me to take it to RSN. It seems like you are invoking some perceived privilege you think you have as an admin (which you don't). You should self-revert.
  • That source does not support that the publication was established in 2003 or been published by Anthem since then. It's not at all clear where the 2003 date came from. The WP:Burden is on you to provide accurate, reliable sources that support your additions.
As an admin, I'd expect you to be a heck of a lot more careful and I challenge you to raise your standards. The Dissident Aggressor 17:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


I see that you are a software engineer per your user page (as am I). I was looking at the article that we have here on the topic Software engineer and it is pretty lack luster. Perhaps we could put our heads together and build a featured article (something I have always wanted to do). No rush, just something we could throw together in a user draft page and when it is ready, move it to the mainspace. Thoughts? Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chrislk02: Gosh, that's a hard task, and its a topic I've never really thought about much either, despite programming in one form or another for, well decades now.
The first thing I'd do in a large-scale article like that is work out what sort of structure it should take, then see what sources I've got, and pull it together from that. This is why I tend to focus on narrower-focused topics, which are easier to get to GA and beyond single handedly - I'm working through Graham Chapman at the moment and that can be more or less done by one person with three or four good biographies, with help on the copyediting afterwards.
Back to sofware engineer, I certainly have several books on the subject, most obviously Steve McConnell's Code Complete and Rapid Development, and DeMarco and Lister's Peopleware, but I'm not sure how much they cover engineering as a person or role as opposed to software engineering as a topic. In the meantime, I've dropped in a small factoid about Apple's "90 hours a week and loving it" culture.
The other possibility is that you could list the article on Today's Featured Article for Improvement, which tends to focus lots of small incremental improvements on broad-coverage topics like this one. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha, I agree, it is not a trivial task. In the big picture, I think the state of many of the Computer Science related articles on Wikipedia are pretty lack luster. I have a handful of journal articles on the subject, a pile of textbooks, and some other stuff I will scrounge around for and will probably create a workspace in my userspace to work on it. Thanks for the feedback/thoughts on the subject. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 16:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

If you are interested, I started a workspace here User:Chrislk02/drafts/Software Engineer. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

More about how publishing works[edit]

im new to this, can you explain to me how publishing works on wikipedia and what categories can or cannot be published — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keypublicindex (talkcontribs) 15:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Keypublicindex: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Basically, you can write about any topic that has a genuine encyclopaedic importance, and a rule of thumb for that is "will people want to read about this in 100 years time?" A good example of that might be Politics of the United Kingdom. The problem you have with writing about Key Public Index is you have a perceived conflict of interest as you appear to be directly associated with it. Wikipedia really isn't about promoting new businesses or people at all - that's what LinkedIn and Pinterest are for, and they do it a lot better than we ever would. The plain and simple conflict of interest guide is a good introduction; and its quite common for new editors to fall into this trap, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. As long as you can show that you're interested in writing about general purpose topics, and have the required knowledge and sources, you should be welcome. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Useful link[edit]

Just spotted this in passing (I do something similar myself) and thought you might not be aware of the jolly useful Admin dashboard - all your tasks in one convenient place. Yunshui  19:33, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion Star Infranet[edit]

I've noticed that you declined the speedy deletion request on Star Infranet on the grounds that it is "the PlusNet of India, and hence not an A7". IMHO the article fails WP:GNG in many ways: it has no significant coverage to be considered notable, references 3 & 4 are not reliable secondary sources as they are self-published material, reference 1 is obviously an advertisement, (so they are not independent of the subject) and source number 3 doesn't work. Would the correct procedure be to propose it for deletion for not complying with WP:GNG? Thanks in advance. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 16:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@Hansi667: In that case, best thing to do is to file a full deletion debate via WP:AfD. Normally I try and add a source to show it's notable, but I didn't have time, but in any case speedy deletions are for articles that have no chance of surviving an AfD debate at all, not even to a redirect. It never hurts to wait the full seven days unless it's obvious vandalism, an attack page, or a copyright violation. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I have nominated the page for deletion.Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 17:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333! I noticed the Wikipedia page we set up for our CEO Alexandre Mars has been deleted[edit]

Three pints a gin a day[edit]

I'd have thought that's quite a notable amount, and in quite a different league to "favouring". Do you doubt the source? Or is it pure exaggeration? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

"Three pints" was added by somebody else before I started work. My "go to" source (his official biography) doesn't have it, so I took it out. It was one of things I wanted to quickly go over before throwing it up to the GA vultures. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I can see why you'd want to put a few yards of clear water between that description and GA. I suspect that the truth might lie somewhere between the two. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
This might come in handy. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the stalk - and for the edit summary which gave me my best laugh of the day! --MelanieN (talk) 20:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome Melanie. The time is very much ripe for Martinevans123 to come in and give some well earned humour to this place! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I've just dropped in to "wet the baby admin's head." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hotter than July[edit]

Can you change protection level for persisting sockpuppet from MariaJaydHicky. (talk) 11:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Diannaa: has already semi-protected it. Still, now I feel like listening Master Blaster (Jammin'), so in a way your message has been helpful :-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Semi=protection won't help regardless, as the socks are autoconfirmed -- Diannaa (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Country houses[edit]

You or page stalkers up for Gloucestershire country houses at Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki? User:Martinevans123, User:Gareth E Kegg and User:KJP1 might also be up for helping start some. Any stubs or start class articles you can create will be appreciated!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. I'll have a look round for any Grade II listed buildings that don't have articles and see what I can do, but I'm afraid I'm now a sloppy and abusive admin so all I do these days is block people for looking at me the wrong way. Still, now Gray is at GAN I am looking for another article to get my teeth stuck into. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Wow an admin! Let's hope you demonstrate more sense in deleting content than Rjd0060 who is happy to delete any article any editor tags for deletion without quickly checking in google books to assess notability. Lazy sod.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:57, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I see that Brockworth Court is part of the National Gardens Scheme: [3], so our mutual horticultural friend Old Pale Trousers might be interested too. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I just rescued some Wickedly Welsh Chocolate from the bin for you Martin, if you want some. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
How very appropriate - I'm a proper little "Mr Trwyn-ym-Mhopeth". So looking forward to seeing you on Sianel Pedwar Saesneg. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Gosh, that takes me back, I remember trying to read Mr Bach when I was younger ... I think the opening sentence from memory was something vaguely like "Roeydd Mr Bach een fach en" but my knowledge of Welsh is almost non-existent. Maybe Little Miss Politics could teach us all a thing or two. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
But not to be confused with The Welsh Chocolate Farm? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
That's next door, we were talking about Pembrokeshire. Did you know my middle name is Welsh, but because it's from Pembrokeshire nobody can tell. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
All one big chocolate family, really. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Old Pale Trousers is very familiar with country houses in Gloucestershire, dahlings...[4] PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Mummy's pied à terre is already rather covered, don'tcha know. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Have now stubbed Brockworth Court. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Better watch out for that, Rjd0060 might delete it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld: I wouldn't know him from a hole in the ground but I have vented a bit elsewhere. As for "it is not up to the deleting administrator to work on improving the tagged articles" - bullshit. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
It's not as if I even asked Rjd0060 to improve or even work on anything. Just make a judgement call when deleting something whether or not the tag is correctly there or not. Simply a ten second google book search. If it is notable then remove the tag and drill a message to the creator to improve/source it. How hard is that to do exactly? It's irresponsible. I could go about the site tagging all sorts of notable unsourced articles for deletion and he'd delete them all.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, Blofeld, I guess you and Rjd0060 aren't going to be exchanging Christmas cards this year ... but this seems to just be a one-off mistake. If you have solid evidence (and that means diffs) that an admin is repeatedly deleting things out of policy (and I really don't think he is from a cursory look), I can look into it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:27, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

If he had simply said, "I agree it's best to check before deleting" that would have been fine, and everything would have been amicable. As it was it was an arrogant, stubborn "I'm not hearing you", and this, confessing that he'd delete a notable again if he had the chance. That sort of careless attitude from an admin is typical of the problem on here. If he'd have come across the speedy tag on Nesskip for instance he'd have deleted it, "carrying out community protocol".♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:05, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Can either of you expand Frampton Court, four Grade I listed buildings in one!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Unblock request - Granted[edit]

I would like to know if I can make edits to pages? I understand I must use the Article wizard to create new pages, but what about editing existing articles? InfoDataMonger (talk) 13:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

If you're unblocked you have the technical ability to edit any article. I'd advise you not to add anything that is in any way connected to yourself or any businesses you are involved with - edits can be challenged and reverted by other editors, though this doesn't happen very often in the grand scheme of things. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:34, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I seem to have missed the thread, but just to clarify to @Black Kite:, I think this was the first redact I've done and I hope I don't ever have to do any more (though I fear that is wishful thinking). Normally if two editors are going hammer and tongs at each other in edit summaries, striking either of them will lead to trouble and shrill cries of "admin abuse". In this instance, they were good edits accompanied by inflammatory abusive edit summaries and I simply felt that hiding them would allow editors to concentrate on the article content, rather than being unnecessarily distracted by who made it. And I think that's a good thing. I am saddened, but not at all surprised to see another block over this. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

And @MelanieN: - you may recall me saying I'd never been personally pulled up to ANI ever, which makes me doubly sad :-( Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Probably now time to get that ANI season ticket sorted out. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Pffft - I remember I was an ANI accused of admin abuse in my first week as well. No need to be saddened by another block for an editor who is listed at WP:LTA and makes a raison d'etre of causing problems. Black Kite (talk) 16:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, that didn't take long - ten days or so since your mopping? At that rate... no, I won't do the math, I'm just teasing you. In this case, since the "report" came from a well known troll who has it in for you - and who also made (probably) three appearances at your RfA - you may as well wear this one as a badge of honor. Don't be doubly sad; don't even be singly sad. As my mom used to say, consider the source. Personally, I got such a kick out of the (so far) two times I have been reported that I still maintain links to them at the top of my talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 17:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

In my previous life as head forum moderator, the colourful incidents I've had included some troll ringing up a pub pretending to be me and trying to cancel a meetup [5], and some pillock who trolled lots of people in private message for five years and whose final act (that caused his banning) was something like "I wonder if the management could confirm anything in writing that says that sharing passwords with another user is to be discouraged?" [6] So, me at ANI - pfffft, been there, done that. That‍ '​s not why I'm sad.

Manuel says Que? .... "Que??"

The problem is - and it's really important to never forget it - we are here to write an encyclopedia, and this guy brought to my attention Alex Lowe, which is just ... awful. Quotes without sources and a Chuck Norris-esque fawning portrayal of somebody. I've half a mind to send it to AfD except it's not actually policy to send stuff there because it's rubbish. Why can't he concentrate on that? There's a new article on reshoring that has NPOV and geographic problems (it's a new article by an inexperienced editor; these things happen) that on past form he could whip into shape in a few edits. Why do we have to have all this additional bullshit and dramah? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Ritchie, I know I've been pushing you a bit and you probably think that I'm nothing more than a pain-in-the-ass, but I've been trying to do it in a constructive way. Others won't and this is pretty good advice for a new admin. Mops need to come with both thick skin yet you still need to be open to careful self-examination of your action. Just my my €0.02 worth. The Dissident Aggressor 13:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi TDA, thanks for dropping by. I haven't said so yet but you are a good content editor, so I'm happy to listen. As long as anyone comes here and politely says "I don't think you should have done that" or "Don't you think it would be a better idea to do 'x'", sticking to content and not personalising disputes, I'll give them all the help I can afford. I'll particularly offer extra slack to new editors eg: Here. WP:DOSOMETHINGELSE is a good essay, and one I need to practice more. The problem is I could spend pages arguing my point of view and what else I do in my life, but .... well, nobody really cares do they? It's all about the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Melanie's mom was right, you know. But always remember to remove the wings. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
It's nice to stir the pot so you get the secret sauce shaken, not stirred. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Reshoring? We already have an article about Onshoring; they're the same thing. They should be combined, but that would be a daunting amount of work; both contain a lot of detail and sources. I'm not feeling up to it myself right now; maybe tomorrow after I get past a few Real Life things today. --MelanieN (talk) 17:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, I could swear I worked on such an article in the past, but Onshoring is just a redirect so I don't know what I was thinking. --MelanieN (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
The Slough of Despond, Slough. Interaction bans not pictured.
I think they were articles that got AfDed and hoovered into a redirect. However, reshoring / onshoring etc is, I feel, a worthy encyclopedia topic, as I've written in the new article, people explicitly shout "now with UK call centres!" as an advertising point. That's nothing to do with the hard working folks in Mumbai and Bangalore (several of whom I work with in my day job), just ... well it's like the modern version of Manuel. And striking edits on here? Tsk, tsk, off to the WP:Slough of Despond for you, m'lady.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Why does Sir John suddenly spring to mind? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking of Near-sourcing, which I helped with. We also have an article on Nearshoring. Neither is quite the same thing as Reshoring so I guess all are OK. --MelanieN (talk) 17:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Striking edits is a no-no? Sort of like striking edit summaries, you'll report me at ANI? Actually I just didn't want to send anyone off on a wild goose chase looking for an imaginary article about Onshoring. My version of eating my words. --MelanieN (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Near-sourcing? I thought that was a bit too saucy! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Is it because I is IP?

You made a very clear violation of a very clear policy. If you do it again, I'll report you again. And as for your plaintive wondering why I don't edit articles that you want me to edit, and your weepy complaint about "additional bullshit and dramah": you set up an idiotic attack page dedicated to making false accusations against me. Additional bullshit and drama is exactly what you wanted, and it's exactly what you've got. I am quite certain you're delighted by that.

Blocking me shortly after declaring that you would not do so because you were WP:INVOLVED is another serious mistake by the way. I don't think you're going to remain an administrator for very long if you keep on like this, you know. (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, no hint of dramah there, then. Or personal attacks. Or vindictive threats. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Note: This is the "Best known for IP" – should probably be blocked on sight... --IJBall (talk) 19:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wickedly Welsh Chocolate[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Wickedly Welsh Chocolate at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I'm not sure what else I can do - hooks are coming out of the woodwork now, but should we not have an uninvolved editor picking one and sending it to prep? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I was just asking for your input on the template page. The first 3 hooks are pretty boring. What do you think about ALT4? Yoninah (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Well it's the best so far. As I think I mentioned, this was more a PR exercise to placate somebody who'd created an article on a seemingly notable topic, only to have a nice fat speedy deletion template parked on their userpage. The actual hook was about the last thing I was thinking of, so I am more than amenable to suggestions from others. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:25, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Gee, Threesie, you're such a high-flyer: "Changing the way wikipedia articles are designed would pave the way to transporting more subjects onto the front page. It could lead to a next generation type of DYK carrying up to 100 alternative hooks."!! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Well when we've got all Wikipedia articles perfect and all editors agreeing with each other, I was going to try and solve the Reimann Hypothesis and walk on water as a party jape. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I hope you'll do requests. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Better than these requests, I guess Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Baptism by fire, eh Ritchie? EEng (talk) 06:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Somebody needs Samantha Hess and fast. While you're here, can you think of a good hook for Wickedly Welsh Chocolate? Inspiration is lacking a bit at the mo. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
It's just a very fishy bribe, EEngy. Don't let him reel you in! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, been traveling. Look now. EEng (talk) 14:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Thanks for asking me to jump in. I agree with the actions taken by you and Drmies, and I hope my comments/templates helped the situation. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I hope so, Rosie. As you can see, I now have a mop and bucket and patrol CAT:UNBLOCK looking for editors to unblock, and this was one of them. Joanne said things I can easily picture Rhonda saying, and that motivated me to sort things out. It's a seriously outside shot she'll turn into a hardcore wikipedian focused on systemic bias and equality like your good self, but I can dream. About the unblock, the blocking administrator Ponyo hasn't been on since the 15th and I don't think I've got authority to unblock a checkuser-blocked account (especially where there's no consensus for a block). I think that needs a trip to ANI or a similar place. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

User talk:V8sonny[edit]

Hi Ritchie and congratulations on your recent elevation to adminship. I tend to take a firm line on legal threats. The user was perfectly entitled to challenge any BLP issues on the article about him, but in mentioning "counsel" they crossed a line. All they need to do to be unblocked is to clarify that they do not intend to take legal action against us. At that point I will happily unblock. This is standard procedure in dealing with this issue, and I think it is there for good reason. Our policy on legal threats only works if it is a bright-line rule, somewhat like 3RR but with far fewer exceptions, of which I do not believe this to be one. Happy to discuss this further of course, but I prefer to do so here than at the user's talk page. Hope that makes sense. --John (talk) 18:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

@John: I think people say things in the heat of the moment that they don't really mean, and this was one of them. In that respect, it's really not too much different to civility and personal attacks - the policy is pretty clear to me that telling another editor to fuck off is unacceptable, but try blocking Eric over it and see who calls you out for a "piss poor block"! (And the last few have been utterly atrocious drama magnets) When somebody says "I find events unacceptable and hence my lawyers will be contacting the Wikimedia Foundation effective from [date]", that‍ '​s when I think you can block per WP:NLT. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


"When someone screams about "admin abuse", it's most likely true – they're probably abusing admins again. If there's a block involved, expect to see a battalion of sockpuppets in short order, making even more shrill cries of admin wrongdoing."

Antandrus, Observations on Wikipedia Behaviour

Ritchie, it's been at least 24 hours since you were last accused of abusing your admin tools. Keep it up! ;P EEng (talk) 23:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Do I take that as an insult or a complement? Kww has applied a rangeblock to the Best known for IP's mobile provider (I guess nobody else in Santiago, Chile edits the English Wikipedia that much) so things have quietened down .... until he finds another internet provider, at least. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Hope the rangeblock helps. When you have a dedicated enemy with an apparently limitless supply of IP addresses (how does he do that?) you can expect a certain amount of harassment. Glad you are staying philosophical about it. --MelanieN (talk) 14:28, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
And the sad thing about it is, once again, his improvements to Dave Kilminster were good. But they were not great. He slapped a [citation needed] tag for Kilminster's left / right handedness, but I typed "dave kilminster left handed" into Google, found an interview which he confirmed it, and added it as a source. Go figure. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh how despicable! Making good edits? Never heard anything so sickening in all my life. This sort of behaviour must be stamped out! Someone who dares to not find a source is the kind of person wikipedia can do without! Good job there's that "citation needed" template to trick them into revealing themselves.
Yes, good but not great edits are the true enemy of the encyclopaedia, and anyone making such edits must be harassed and bullied ad infinitum! No edit that is not great must be allowed! And for the benchmark of quality, let's look no further than Ritchie333, whose every action on wikipedia simply oozes quality. The fact that the source mentions nothing to do with any kart accident while the article claims it must surely be someone else's mistake, and not due to any failing on Ritchie333's part to understand what the article said and what needed citing!
Keep on the hard work of harassing those who make good but not great edits, Ritchie333. Surely that can only improve the encyclopaedia! 2607:F298:5:101F:0:0:674:A3FE (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, that didn't take long. MelanieN alt (talk) 03:40, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding pasting annoying templates[edit]

Thank you for your feedback. They are always welcomed but the fact is that in order to create an article for a film you need make sure it passes WP:NFF and make sure you have at least one reference to the context. You just can't create an article with an infobox only and without any content and citations. That's what the point I made sure before adding the varius tags.Cheers!!! Sammanhumagaint@lk 01:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sammanhumagain: Hi. Yes, How newbies see templates is a little cutting, but there is a serious message behind it and it comes from me observing Wikipedia from non-regulars in the real world. Anyway, in the case of Baaghi: A Rebel For Love, yes an article that has no obvious way of meeting the notability criteria for films and has no citation is a good candidate for deletion .... at AfD! Not speedy. I see that RHaworth deleted the article under the criteria for "no content" but that's also wrong as the policy says, verbatim, "Similarly, this criterion does not cover a page having only an infobox, unless its contents also meet the criteria mentioned here." In my view, since the infobox listed a notable director and producer, it does not. The release date of 2016 suggests it would have been deleted (probably per WP:CRYSTAL) at AfD anyway, but that's supposed to be for the AfD participants to decide.
The reason this is important is that the speedy deletion criteria are very narrowly defined, and with good reason as they give administrators authority to delete articles without any discussion. All other cases require a debate. People who don't visit Wikipedia often sometimes say "There used to be an article about 'x' - where's it gone?" If it was deleted by an AfD debate, somebody can look at the deletion log and cross reference the discussion and get a better understanding of why the article was deleted. Whereas a CSD doesn't really give you much at all other than a stock reason, which is too easy to disagree with and think "admin abuse"! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Portland Steam Tug[edit]

Good afternoon. I am not ready to re-submit the Portland article into the GA process, as there is discussion in the talk page as to it's qualifications to being a "B" let alone a GA, but I have gone through most of the points you brought up last time. At your convenience, I would appreciate your checking it out again, and letting me know what you think. Thank you, Name Omitted (talk) 02:30, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I have left a note on the talk page and in my view, B class is a fair assessment of the article's current state. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Name Omitted (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


is you the sabre guy?--13jospin (talk) 05:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC) (M4 CROSSING)

Yes, I used to be President of SABRE and organised events such as a fun day out looking at road traffic accident street furniture at the Fire Service College in Moreton in Marsh, though these days I take a more back-seat role as I decided to get less involved with day-to-day running of stuff. I still think the historic maps area is great, and look at it all the time. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Is this a potential rescue?[edit]

Hi, Ritchie! While patrolling CSDs I came across this article: Draft:Stentorians. A bunch of people had been working on it for several months, and then for some reason one of them blanked the page. I declined speedy and restored the page, and I started trying to pull it together into a proper article because I think the subject is interesting and notable. But it looks like a job for more than one person. It apparently started out as an obituary for the founder of the group. It is still bloated and disorganized, and I haven't even started to look for copyvios yet. But take a look and let me know if you think this article is worth saving. If you don't think the subject is notable enough then I'll drop it. --MelanieN (talk) 23:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Update: offhand I don't think copyvio is a problem. There is a website here that has a lot of the same wording, but it seems to have been copied from Wikipedia so it should not be a problem.--MelanieN (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I had a quick look around and there are certainly sources to prove notability - that's not an issue. The article needs a bit more copyediting; I've done a bit and I'll see if I can tackle more later today. The real problem is finding sources for most of the information - it's quite detailed, but I haven't found anything yet that picks up the level of detail present in the draft. All in all those, it's definitely a worthwhile article to salvage. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

The Chauntry Cup[edit]

Hi Ritchie. I have a hard copy of the article from The Lichfield Mercury. I don't know how to upload it though. Can you help? I'm new to Wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi (Are you @JoanneB123: forgetting to log in, perchance?) You don't need to upload the paper, all you need is to give a reference to it. The Referencing for beginners tutorial is a good start, but in this case you simply report what the paper says (as I have done in the Lichfield Cricket Club article). The easiest way is to put citation inside a <ref> tag, like this : <ref>Chantry Cup Final, Lichfield Mercury, 24 June 1937, p. 8</ref>.
As long as there is enough information for somebody, somewhere to fact check your information, that's sufficient - indeed, many featured articles cite books and publications that cannot be found online. When you can cite references, you can do a lot of good on the project, like walking into an Articles for deletion debate and making everyone change their mind from "delete" to "keep". ;-) I hope that's of use. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:24, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Did you know about this?...[edit]

Hey! I was wondering if you knew about this: User:Richie322? Can't be a coincidence, right? Well, I just came across this, and it amused me, so I thought I'd let you know about it, in case you already didn't... Face-wink.svg --IJBall (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Never heard of him, though since the account dates from before I was doing hardcore WP editing then I doubt it's anything to do with me. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:20, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Jesus, Ritchie, that's your sleeper! You're the most incompetent double agent ever! EEng (talk) 21:09, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
"I haven't seen my analyst in 200 years. He was a strict Freudian. If I'd been going all this time, I'd probably almost be cured by now." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Template:Deaths inspiring Black Lives Matter[edit]

Hi Ritchie333. I see that you deleted Template:Deaths inspiring Black Lives Matter. Do you happen to know where the original XfD discussion is? I could only find this related discussion. I ask because this material has also been coat racked into the article Black Lives Matter in violation of WP:OR. Thank you.- MrX 19:02, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@MrX: I think that may have been a mistake, I was looking at that TfD and thought "Well previous consensus was delete with maybe userfying, so if anyone asks, I'll restore it". Forgot the discussions were on two totally different templates. Should I restore it (with apologies)? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I think procedurally it should be restored, but I am going to nominate it for deletion, because there is no article on the subject and there is overlap with Template:Deaths inspiring Black Lives Matter.- MrX 20:02, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, the template is now restored, so I'll leave the TfD in your capable hands. Best do it quick as I restored "as is" with the {{db-repost}} tag active, so it will reappear in CAT:CSD - let's hope another admin doesn't jump on it and speedy it again! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ritchie333. Much appreciated!- MrX 20:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Page Deleted: Request for reconsideration[edit]

Hi Ritchie333. I see that you deleted Al Habtoor Motors LLC page.

With all the respect for Wiki and it moderators, i would like to mention that intention of adding this page was not to promote or advertise this company on Wiki. My intention was to add Al Habtoor Motors LLC company information, I may have added information like Awards won by the "AHM" company which made it sound like it is being marketed.

I have also came across several post where you have acted as rescuer and saved lot of pages from being deleted. Please advise how can we recreate the same with pure intention of adding company information about Al Habtoor Motors. So that Wiki is a trusted source and we want to put the correct information without breaking any Wiki protocol.

AHM is one of the leading distributors of several Automotive brands like Bentley, Bugatti, Mitsubishi, JAC Motors etc in United Arab Emirates and deserves to be there like other companies that are listed on wiki.

I would appreciate your help in this regarding or at least how i can try again to add information about same company on wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubaiinfo (talkcontribs) 03:46, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dubaiinfo: The article was deleted via WP:CSD#G11 - "Blatant advertising". That means that if somebody were to improve the article, they would have to more or less start from scratch. However, we may be able to salvage some of the sources used in the article. With that in mind, I have restored the article to Draft:Al Habtoor Motors LLC. The article needs to have a thorough and neutral overview of the company as documented by third-party sources. I can't think of a good car manufacturer article to use as an example, but Sunbeam Tiger is a featured article that may be worth reading just to get an idea of what a good Wikipedia article looks like.
You'll need to rewrite the article to use a similar neutral tone. I've made a start on some of the prose. When you are ready, click on the green "Submit your draft" button at the top of the page, and it will reviewed by an independent, experienced editor. Hope that helps. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Michael Thomas Franklin[edit]

This is my kind of A7.....

With regards to be adding an A7 tag to it, I was simply readding it. Another user had added the A7 tag, and the article creator had removed it, therefore I just readded it. I agree it's not an A7, but the article creator shouldn't have removed the tag previously. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:25, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Well I didn't think it was an A7 (genuine A7s are completely impossible to salvage at AfD, even to a merge / redirect), so I removed the tag. If you can't abide the article's existence, I'd recommend AfD. In general I think editors need to write more and tag less. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:32, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
No, I think it should exist. My point was the only reason I readded the tag was because the creator isn't allowed to remove the A7 from an article they created. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Hang on - you tagged an article as A7 that you thought shouldn't be deleted? Simply because the rules said you should? I think this was a situation where ignoring all rules would have been appropriate - forget about what the article's creator did (newbies make mistakes, it happens, don't smack them down for it), does re-adding the tag ultimately improve the encyclopedia? If you think it does, re-add it, if you don't ... don't! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes- I intended to immediately remove it again, but forgot. It was meant to be a case of enforcing the rules (which say the article creator shouldn't remove speedy tags), followed by common sense prevailing (removing the tag, as it wasn't applicable)- I unfortunately forgot to do the common sense bit. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah don't worry about it - the other day I walked into the office, realised I'd left the front door key at home, and walked all the way back to get it. Beat that for common sense failure! ;-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

AfD Notice[edit]

Hi. I AfD'd Brandon Presley as you suggested. This is a courtesy note in case you're interested in that page. It's not a canvass because I have no reason to think you'd agree with my nomination. Geogene (talk) 16:50, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Geogene: No, that's fine. I generally think AfDs are better, not only because you get a better consensus to delete, but if somebody wants to find out why the article was deleted, they'll get more of an idea than the boilerplate CSD text. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


Hello Ritchie, while reviewing new articles for creaton I came across Draft:Unicommerce. I've found out some reliable sources for the company like this and this. I'm including them in the draft also. The subject Unicommerce I believe has been salted by you. Please look into the matter. Thank you for your contribution. Mr RD (talk) 19:25, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, well the best thing to do, and indeed what I did in my pre-admin days (eg: for Passafire), is wait until somebody reviews and accepts the draft. I don't think I'd pass it at the moment as there's not enough evidence of notability for it to survive an AfD. But if somebody wants to accept it, they can ping me (and I'll happily do it) or you can post on the Administrators' noticeboard explaining why you want the desalting, and any admin will do it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Well actually I was the one reviewing the article and found out about salt when I was accepting the page. I could not add more citations as somehow ProveIt was not working on this draft so I had to write the whole code by copy pasting through sandbox. I'll add more citations from here once it comes to the main space. Mr RD (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I'd really rather see a draft that I would personally accept first, I have to say. I've dropped a note at the AfC project page ... hopefully a consensus will fall out of that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree. Appreciated your effort. Mr RD (talk) 20:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Response about alleged personal attacks[edit]

I just came across where you told me: "Now now, less of the personal attacks, young man."

I did not make any personal attacks. I said nothing personal at all. I said that a competent reviewer would have to do an actual review. That's always true of every nomination. I did not say that you were incompetent. Yes, there was an implication that your "review" was incompetently done, although I didn't explicitly say it. Well, let me say it explicitly now: your "review" was incompetently done. Please note: pointing out that an incompetently done review was done incompetently is not a personal attack.

Urgh. I really don't want to dredge this up again, but I'm afraid I'll have to rehash the whole thing, so I can refute the "personal attacks" claim.

There are many items which a DYK reviewer should check and mention in the review as having been checked, such as the article's age, size, neutrality, citations, and copyvio check. Your only notation: "Article is brand new". Other than erroneously dismissing the original hook, which I discuss below, that is the entirety of what you mention as being reviewed.

You did "review" the original hook (... that according to The Guardian, Ed Miliband's awkward eating of a bacon sandwich could have been because it was a bread roll and not sliced bread?), saying "the hook is misleading, all The Guardian actually says is Nigel Farage is better at eating sandwiches, with the roll / slice comment being ancillary. So let's go with ALT1 ... that The Guardian thinks Nigel Farage is better at eating a bacon sandwich than Ed Miliband?"

According to the article, "The Guardian said that the sliced bread which Farage ate was easier to eat than the bread roll which Miliband had." The source says: "Keen observers will notice the sliced bread of the Farage sandwich arguably makes it an easier handful than Miliband's roll." How is the original hook misleading? It restates what's in the article, which seems to fairly accurately restate what's in the source.

As for your proposed ALT1, there was absolutely nothing even slightly resembling that in the article, in violation of one of the most fundamental DYK rules. And perhaps the most important DYK rule of all is that a hook fact must be verifiable by the reliable source for which there's an inline citation. But this source (and I can only determine it's the source you intended from the context of your comments, since the "fact" doesn't appear in the article and thus has no inline citation), a four-sentence blog, only vaguely, sort of, obliquely, kind of, almost hinted at it. The only remotely relevant passage states that "Nigel Farage couldn't miss an opportunity to show him how it's done."

Then, to make matters much worse, you approved the nomination with your own faulty hook. This is precisely why reviewers should never approve their own hooks. It seemed as though you were so tickled at the prospect of getting your hook on the Main Page that you completely abandoned the idea of doing any sort of actual review.

After I posted to WT:DYK about the issue, you responded, "I'll go write 100 lines saying 'I must not be funny on the main page'." This is what really solidified my questioning of your competence in reviewing this. I had explained the specific problems with your hook, and you responded as though the problem was just that you were trying to get a funny hook on the Main Page.

There is a small but very vocal group of users who strongly disapprove of humorous hooks on the Main Page. I am not among them. Such hooks are fine with me, as long as all DYK rules are followed. Since there is opposition to such hooks, reviews for them should be done especially meticulously.

Rather than taking responsibility for your mistakes, you attempted to shift part of the blame to the set builder, and even to EEng for not offering a second opinion. Yes, ideally the set builder would have caught the problems, but the most important component in the DYK machine is the reviewer, and I can't fault the set builder too much for erroneously trusting that an adequate review had been done. And saying that you'd asked EEng for a second opinion seemed to be disingenuous; it certainly appears that you were not asking for a second opinion about your hook or your "review", but rather simply wanting him to come up with a funnier hook.

Can you honestly look at all of this objectively without realizing that your "review" and your response to the problems could, indeed, be seen as having been handled incompetently?

Sorry to have gone through this again, but I felt I had to defend myself regarding the alleged "personal attacks". I have absolutely nothing against you, and I'm sure you're an otherwise fine editor, but in this case, you really bungled. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Woah, calm down a notch. It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things - there's no libel, defamation, blatant hoaxes, just a mistake. We all make them! You're not helping your cause by using words like "incompetent", "questioning of your competence" and I'm not "shifting blame" on anybody - rather this is a collaborative project and we all need to work together. That means when somebody screws up (and now I'm an admin I've pulled DYK hooks from the main page having seen reports on WP:ERRORS myself), you fix it, then you move on. Pointing fingers around doesn't really help anyone. I will say though that the atmosphere on DYK talk (that you're not to blame for) is rather unpleasant at the moment, and has put me off DYK for a bit. Big hugs and make up? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:11, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
No need for me to "calm down". I've remained calm throughout. Those snippets are out of context; please note that I never said that I questioned your competence in general, but only with this issue, based on the way you responded: I posted about specific problems and you basically replied, "okay I won't do something entirely unrelated". Surely you can see how such a disconnected response could lead me to believe that you didn't understand what the problems were. Maybe you understood and were just trying to be funny, but I can only go by what you actually said. Honestly, it seemed as though the subject just made you so giddy that all that mattered was making a funny hook and giving funny replies. Above, you omitted an important step. You fix it, make sure the user understands what they did wrong so they don't do it again, then move on.
Thank you for acknowledging that I'm not to blame for the WT:DYK situation. If what I've said could be interpreted even remotely as being similar in any way to that garbage, I sincerely apologize. Of course, it's litterally a lovefest over there now compared to what it was last year. The unrelenting toxic environment then – what I refer to as the "Dark Days of DYK" – was so bad that, even though none of it was directed at me or anything I did, it drove me away, not only from DYK, but from Wikipedia entirely, for nine weeks (which is a very long time for me). I think some of the others who were driven away are still gone.
Also no need to "make up"; we weren't fighting. Besides, from looking around, I see that you seem to be friends with Drmies, and any friend of the doc's is a friend of mine. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:27, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For all the times I have checked in on your talk page, and found you keeping the wiki-peace, even when things get a little heated! Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 12:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

A7 tags and radio stations[edit]

Hello. I am wondering why radio stations do not count as companies for the purpose of speedy deletion tags. In my mind, they are just companies that broadcast on the radio. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happysquirrel (talkcontribs)

@Happysquirrel: In my view, this is from my experience that an FM licence costs thousands of pounds a year and also limits to what you can say. You cannot swear and you cannot say any personal attacks amongst other things. So just getting there is not easy and it means any FM radio station probably can be at least redirected to a list article, which is just up from A7. That means I think you have to take it to AfD. For just an internet radio station without an FM licence, CSD A7 is fine if it doesn't show any idea of how it could be notable, as it's web content. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:57, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Boone County Fire Protection District[edit]

Thanks for protecting Boone County Fire Protection District. Much appreciated. --Zackmann08 (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Because you have no more space for another GA badge. Esquivalience t 22:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

2015 GA Cup[edit]

WikiProject Good Articles's 2015 GA Cup
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Greetings, all!

We would like to announce the start of the 2nd GA Cup, a competition that seeks to encourage the reviewing of Good article nominations! Our inaugural competition, which ran from October 2014 to April 2015, was such a resounding success that we'd like to do it again. Currently, there are over 500 GANs ready to be reviewed; competitors in the previous GA Cup reviewed about 570 GAs, so we can again make a huge impact in helping editors improve articles in Wikipedia and decrease the traditionally long queue at GAN.

The 2nd GA Cup will begin on July 1, 2015. As last time, five rounds are currently scheduled (which will bring the competition to a close on November 28, 2015), but this may change based on participant numbers. The judges learned a lot during the 1st GA Cup which exposed weaknesses in its system. Using both the feedback from last year's participants and the weaknesses discovered, we've revised the scoring system to make it more fair. The sign-up and submissions process will remain the same.

We also are introducing three new judges: 3family6, Jaguar and MrWooHoo. So in total, there will be six judges. We hope this will allow the competition to run more smoothly.

Sign-ups for the upcoming competition are currently open and will close on July 15, 2015. Everyone is welcome to join; new and old editors, so sign-up now!

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Cheers from 3family6, Dom497, Figureskatingfan, Jaguar and MrWooHoo, and TheQ Editor.

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Your GA nomination of Duke (album)[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Duke (album) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sparklism -- Sparklism (talk) 09:00, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Manohar hospital[edit]

Actually, I've just noticed that the Manohar hospital article is possibly a recreation of something deleted at AfD - see discussion. That would qualify it for speedy deletion now. I think I had better add it to my watchlist in case the thing reappears. - Sitush (talk) 17:25, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sitush: Well since a G4 only applies if the article is substantially identical to the one deleted at AfD, if you do a complete rewrite (eg: Ultra Rare Trax) or plug in a redirect instead with justification, you can usually get away with it in my experience. Hospital articles are a mixed bag, British ones with a full A&E department seem to be always kept (eg: William Harvey Hospital, Frimley Park Hospital), private ones less so. No idea about Indian ones at all, hence why I thought you'd know. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:33, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but I am a mere minion and so cannot compare/contrast. That said, the creator was the same person and there is so little that can be said about the thing that the articles almost certainly were substantially identical. India has both public- and private-run hospitals. The latter are the ones that tend to try to use WP for publicity/promotion, for obvious reasons, and they're also often rather dubious in their medical practices, which probably isn't helped by the number of degree mills and the ease with which it is possible to buy fake degree certificates that claim to have been issued by reputable universities. The thing has been protected for a short period, so I will await developments!
BTW, I went in the Jolly Farmer not long before it closed. One of my brothers was married somewhere not too far from there and I was short of something to do the night before. He'd paid for me to stay at that ridiculously expensive hotel where the England rugby team trained (> £300 a night then) but a B&B and someone with whom to gab would have suited me better. - Sitush (talk) 09:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for your support, - my question about the spirit of the restriction was not answered, well, I asked only the user who raised it. - I expressed my view that arbcom should apologize to Eric for the GGTF case caused by baiting him, - but who am I speaking about the spirit of restrictions ;) - Just don't say "honest", - everything should be honest without a label ;) - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

I'd intended to work on this a bit earlier, but had promised to help someone with something else just before you started this article. A shame that so many restaurants and clubs like this have closed their doors; it's good that we can create articles for them here so there can be some type of an idea what the restaurant was like and why it was important. Thanks again! We hope (talk) 12:40, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Persistent admiration[edit]

Can live without that, and saw it on other users also, - help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Blocked --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Wickedly Welsh Chocolate[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:17, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Sounds wery ritch! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Boom-boom! Very good, Gerda :) - Sitush (talk) 02:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Today, we think of spirit ;) - yesterday I discussed the "spirit of restrictions" and asked an arb (who supported my appeal) how precisely I "improved" (while I believe that I didn't change, and don't plan to change). I will go and tell Eric that he and I have now one more thing in common: a TFA on 31 May ;) - I still remember an uneasy feeling passing Precious to him three years ago, to some remote pinnacle with a Latin name at that time. Did you know that he came down to human on my talk in 2013? Look for "Malleus" and find "Have to warn you though that I'm not really a Wikipedian, have never been a Wikipedian, and I scare away women, children and new editors. Allegedly. But I'll try and be gentle." (and he always was to me), "The length of the infobox vs. the length of the lead is a factor that seems to have been largely ignored in all of the recent "discussions"." and "The reason I asked was because I'm thinking of adding my real name to my user page. ... I think a little more openness might go a long way." (Inviting Callanec and Liz, just to read, also DeltaQuad, as mentioned) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


Ritchie333 I need some help and advice.

This really is a worthy addition to wiki.

You know my husband has been blocked by a certain user, for editing Lichfield CC's wiki page. I have seen hard copies of the claim he made about Australian Test Cricketer Keith Miller AM MBE playing in the Chauntry Cup. Please would you take the time to look at Column 6 Paragraph 6. My dear old husbands' edits were deleted immediately whenever he cited this document or made any claim about this article. Would you please read the whole piece and if you think anything is worthy of addition on Wiki, would you be kind enough to add it?. I know that if I do it, that certain user will have me blocked straight away as a sock puppet. I just want an experienced but impartial viewer to read this piece. Also, if you search for the Chauntry Cup on the "tube of You ness", you will see that Sky Sports believe my husband, in his claim that the Chauntry Cup, actually is the oldest 20/20 in the world. I don't want you to be accused of being a sock puppet as I have, so I fully understand if you don't want to get involved. I really appreciate your interest in the Cup and find it amazing that YOUR edits are not challenged by this individual but my husbands are. Thanking you in advance. Jo JoanneB123 (talk) 21:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

As mentioned on my talkpage yesterday, I supported it being included with the source. The problem was that they didn't add the source the first time, and then when I said the source was fine, all they did was call me stupid, and question my ability to read, instead of actually readding it, like both of us wanted. See User talk:Joseph2302#the chauntry cup and this, which didn't add the source.
@JoanneB123: I don't want to argue about it again, I agree with Keith Miller being added, as long as the source is added too. But don't accuse me of things that aren't true- I rejected it because no reference was provided, and then your husband chose not to readd it, instead he decided to argue and attack me on my talkpage. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:17, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Also, the assertion that I got him blocked is wrong- he repeatedly claimed that his only purpose for being on Wikipedia was to promote the Chauntry Cup, and so an admin decided to block him. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:04, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
The British Newspaper Archive has lots of scans of the Lichfield Mercury, so I dare say the unreferenced content can actually be cited to those if somebody with a subscription (that'll be muggins here I guess) has a look. Not now, I'm off to bed, maybe tomorrow. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:14, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
The source for Keith Miller playing is here- all editors (me, Joanne, Dartman & socks) agree it should be added. The rest of the above is just a rerun of claims that a Dartman sock made yesterday against me, all of which I've refuted. I agree with it being added, just actually add it instead of making false accusations against me instead. Also, I'm not sure the exact text to be added, as I don't want it to be WP:UNDUE- after all, this is an article about Lichfield Cricket Club not just the Chauntry Cup. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Well this diff shows you removing that content with an edit summary of "no source that Keith played in Chauntry Cup" which contradicts exactly what you've just said. And aside from a copyedit, that's your last contribution to the article. So, I'm sorry Joseph, but you seem to be more interested in biting newbies and stirring up trouble than improving articles. I'm hardly surprised Dartman has been getting cross with you, you've just parroted policy rather than help him. Now, as The Colonel said, stop that, it's silly. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: They only provided the source after I removed the text, and then I accepted it should be readded, see User talk:Joseph2302#the chauntry cup- but they didn't bother readding it. Have you seen the abuse they gave me on my talkpage- I'm not biting the newbies, I'm defending myself against an abusive sockpuppet. FWIW, I think Joanne will make has the potential to make a good Wikipedia editor, as long as she stops being a mouthpiece for her husband. Every action that her husband has taken towards me is to abuse me and call me stupid, and the post above is saying the same thing. Also, if you read Talk:Lichfield Cricket Club, I provided the source for someone else to add, I didn't do it myself since I believed that sockpuppets should not be dictating content.
And I strongly believe in improving articles, but Wikipedians should be able to work with other users, something that Dartman/LichfieldCC didn't do, and got blocked for not doing (that an explicitly stating multiple times they were here only to promote). Cricket articles in particular I like improving. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Also, 2 of the 3 users who supported @JoanneB123:'s unblock (me and @OhNoitsJamie:) supported it on the condition that they stayed away from the Chauntry Cup. I'm happy for the Chauntry Cup section to be expanded, but not by Dartman socks- I don't have access to the BMA, but these additions were good. I don't want a full article about it, listing every winner in a massive table though, like The Chauntry Cup article that was creates. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Even so, as an experienced editor, you need to keep a cool head. If somebody says "you're wrong", don't answer back. Text-based communication is hard to convey emotion, and it's so easy for misunderstandings to escalate into fully-fledge warfare. Provided a new user shows evidence of wanting to improve an article and shows evidence they want to do it the right way, I'll extend as much slack as possible. I have to say I'm not really a fan of our sockpuppetry policy and activities, it's too far removed from the end product of creating content and trying to block every Russavia or Best known for IP sock ever is like Cnut trying to tell the tide to stop coming in. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I tried to extend huge amounts of slack to the original Dartman/Lichfield at The Chauntry Cup, but the fact is Wikipedia policy says they shouldn't be creating new accounts. Also, is there something specific that you consider as "answering back"- I feel all my responses were justified, and aggressive behaviour towards is is never acceptable, newbie or not. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well I personally found "your blatant, constant telling me I'm wrong seems to be the exact same mentality as the users who created the article and got blocked, you're not a sockpuppet are you?" to be an unlikely piece of writing to lead to a peaceful conclusion of a debate. Now, I've really got to get The Nice copyedited in shape for a GA, so I'll duck out there and wish you happy editing. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Duke (album)[edit]

The article Duke (album) you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Duke (album) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sparklism -- Sparklism (talk) 07:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Neil's "idiot" comment[edit]

A pony, yesterday
Some buscruft. Notice the ponies have carefully disguised themselves not to appear in the picture.

He called himself an idiot, not any other user. You could've asked him directly before attempting to fuel the fires at his RfA. Alakzi (talk) 10:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not fuelling any fires, I just want to hear his explanation. I assumed it was banter and there was a reason for it, and I'm certain I've said worse myself, but I'm cautious that new visitors at the Teahouse may not pick up on that. I have not made up my mind which way to !vote yet. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
It was a playful, self-deprecating "I'm an idiot" for having made four consecutive edits (presumably typos or somesuch). He did not call another editor an idiot, so you should consider reframing your question - if not retract it, which would be wiser. Alakzi (talk) 10:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
If NeilN is as good as an administrator candidate as everyone says he is, he will answer it courteously and politely without issue, and I will be a happy chappy. What is on my mind currently is the drama with the latest Eric Corbett block. I am very specifically thinking of this scenario and making absolutely sure Neil will not fall into the same trap in 12 - 18 months' time. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I do not doubt that Neil will respond courteously; I've not come here to defend Neil, but to express my concern with your judgment, for having posed the question, and - now - for refusing to retract it. I don't know what the comment you linked to is about. Alakzi (talk) 11:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
You're complaining about something you don't understand. However, I'd like to thank you for your edits on Folkestone bus station as I've just found this news piece that I'm sure EEng can help me work into a fine DYK if we just put our minds to it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, if you can find enough more material to solve the notability problem, I can probably come up with something. It shows promise but for the moment I'm drawing a blank. EEng (talk) 14:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
And here's another bored pony for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I think the bus article is unsalvageable; so much so I've sent it to AfD. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:26, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Blimey! Is this a first? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
(watching) The comment (linked to) was refreshing a lone oppose during an RfA, which - looking at it now - seems like a good observation which I ignored then. The editor who quoted it was just named WER's editor of the week. - General observation: irony in written communication - such as calling oneself an idiot - is often misunderstood, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I understand Neil's message perfectly well. Are you implying that your question to him was disingenuous? Alakzi (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
That is not what I am talking about. If you don't understand why I dislike admins blocking prolific content creators, even out of inexperience rather than malice, then that's a shame. I think our conversation is done, and I will see you around a TfD somewhere, I guess. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:33, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I dislike it too. What does it have to do with the question you asked Neil? Alakzi (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

In case of interest, the candidate had no problem answering the question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

.... and I'm happy with the answer and have !voted support. Now, are we finally all done with the conversation or would you like to help get the pony off the bus? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:05, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
It's become abundantly clear that I'm not gonna get a straight answer from you, so, yes, we're done. Alakzi (talk) 13:32, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
It's quite simple. If somebody says "hey, you called someone an idiot", do you attempt to quell the situation (as Neil did), or do you attempt to stir the pot? Now, take that scenario and apply it as follows, let's say somebody starts an ANI thread saying "Hey, I was edit warring on Kelpie and Eric Corbett told me to fuck off! Waaaaah!" Do you attempt to quell the situation, or do you say "Well, I don't give a flying toss how many FAs he has, saying "fuck" on Wikipedia is the absolute worst thing in the world ever, OMG block him now please!" I don't want an admin that does that. If you don't understand that, you run a serious risk of creating a massive drama-fest. So much for "like to see everybody here get along just a wee bit better." :-( Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't want an admin who does that either; stop making suppositions, and stop taking digs at my words and work. The question you posed to Neil is inapplicable to the above scenario. Neil was playfully calling himself an idiot; there was no tension and no misunderstandings in his interaction with the other editor. What other possible answer would he have given you? Alakzi (talk) 13:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Pete Townshend[edit]

I think I may have asked you this before, but would you like to collaborate to bring Pete Townshend to GA (possibly FA) sometime? ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 15:16, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

You did. I can do some of GA, but Townshend's articles covers far more than just The Who, and I'll need sources to do anything beyond about 1983, which covers tinnutus, White City, Psychoderelict, publishing for CSI and whatever else he's done outside of his main band. Probably a BLP minefield over his child pornography arrest too. First task - get rid of Mark Wilkerson's "Amazing Journey" - it's a self published source that's badly written and factually questionable. "Lacking the requisite test scores to attend university" - did he seriously contemplate going to university or did he just want to doss for a few years avoiding "real" work? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:20, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I think he did seriously consider going to university, though I would have to check the source first. He's very intelligent, probably one of the smartest rock stars, and it kind of surprises me that he didn't go to college. His post Who stuff needs some expansion, which is somewhat problematic since the article is already fairly long. I agree that the child porn charges are a minefield, though it should be mentioned (briefly). What is factually questionable about Amazing Journey? Also, is Who I Am a reliable source? I have a copy on my bookshelf, but I would hesitate using it for the article. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 16:50, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Amazing Journey was not released by a traditional publisher with any editorial control, some of the facts (I forget what exactly) are questionable, and there's an unpleasant POV about the whole thing. Who I Am is fine as a source, and I'd say its essential for this article. I'll have to grab a copy, I've heard its a fascinating read in its own right. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)