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Please comment on Talk:Sasanian Empire[edit]

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Gun control arbitration case notice[edit]

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control/Evidence. Please add your evidence by January 19, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Bbb23 (talk) 19:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you ...[edit]

... for your thoughtful reply to my earlier questions. I was called away in December on personal matters, and am returning to work tomorrow. I will respond more fully to your replies soon. Cheers, and happy holidays. LeProf

Gun control workshop statement[edit]

You wrote: "Articles concerning control, broadly defined, are placed under standard Discretionary sanctions." At least, that is how it appears on the screen. I see that you wrote the word "gun" in the "code" (or whatever the correct term is), but because of the way you did the link, the word "gun" is not visible. Is that what you meant to do? Neutron (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:International Lyme And Associated Diseases Society[edit]

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MilesMoney is community banned[edit]

Which means he is quite unlikely to respond regarding the Austrian Economics issues. Collect (talk) 01:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics opened[edit]

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Content issue; criticisms of relativity; dispute resolution[edit]

Hi, You asked in my "help desk" entry if it was a content dispute, but my plea for help was shut down before I could answer, just as the dispute resolution process was shut down without resolution. Yes, my efforts to edit were about content, though Paradoctor and DVdm insisted on making it about me, as a full-on ad hominem attack full of insults about my supposed ignorance. True ignorance is believing that a 20 foot pole will fit into a 10 foot barn, based on relativity's version of idealism in denial of realism*... *that physical objects do not physically shrink due to the frame of reference from which they are observed. (It is not about "rotation," as as the supposed "shrinkage" is in the direction of travel of either the observer or the object. I asked that the word "apparent" be included in the length contraction article distinguishing apparent contraction from physical contraction. Even that minimal "disambiguation" was not allowed, because mainstream SR insists that there is no difference between physical and apparent contraction. I don't know where to take it from here. Any suggestions? If so, thanks ahead. LCcritic (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Robert Spitzer (political scientist)[edit]

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Please see[edit]

User:Smallbones/Questions on FTC rules Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:16, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

perhaps you might want to read [my comments on the relevant talk page [1] DGG ( talk ) 18:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Apparent vs physical re length contraction IS a content dispute[edit]

The section title says it. I was not allowed to put the word "apparent" in the length contraction article lead. More generally, the widespread criticism of relativity that there is a more or less stable (unchanging) physical world even as observations and measurements of given parts thereof would vary drastically with frame of reference according to relativity theory. This realism vs idealism philosophical criticism is not allowed, because all who so criticize are called "fringe," "cranks," "not mainstream," etc. LCcritic (talk) 20:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

So, you were supposed to be on the board for conflict resolution pertaining to content. Yet you will not respond to my above appeal. Apparent vs physical is a content issue vis-a-vis length contraction. The encyclopedia should clarify whether special relativity claims that physical objects shrink or whether it is just a frame/observer-dependent phenomenon. This is about disambiguation for clarity of presentation for the benefit of the Wiki reader seeking to understand SR. Please address the issue for the sake of clarityLCcritic (talk) 08:08, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion for Kentaro Sato[edit]

Greetings: I'm the nominator for deletion of article Kentaro Sato. My reasons for doing so were stated at this page which you have visited and where you have cast a vote favoring deletion. I felt it was my responsibility to make sure we don't delete a valuable WP article if there is any chance the subject is notable. So I carried out a quick web search and collected what I've found at the article's talk page. Since you have taken part and voted in the recent process could you take a look at the data I've gathered and let me know what you think and if that changes your position. I appreciate your help. Thanks. Contact Basemetal here 05:43, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Discretionary sanctions[edit]

Before you comment further at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2013 review you should be aware that two users who commented on the thread where you commented have just been blocked. [2][3] Cheers, —Neotarf (talk) 07:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you - from N4[edit]

Brownie transparent.png Thank you for your help with the RfC! N4 (talk) 03:19, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of countries where Arabic is an official language[edit]

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Rfc against me[edit]

Thanks for taking the time to comment on the Rfc against me. I think your comments are broadly fair.

Given the seriousness of the allegation made against me, I think its fair to point out a couple of things for clarity.

I have not asked anyone to change their username or signature. The suggestion that FIM's username might be hubristic did not come from me but from someone else. I had not even considered it (had I, I'd probably agree with your reading of it). I have not launched an Rfc against anyone for any reason either now or in the past.

More seriously, I have been accused of changing my signature to something overtly misogynistic as a direct personal attack on two female users with whom I have a disagreement. That is a demonstrably false, deeply hurtful and potentially very damaging accusation. Many of my personal and professional contacts are aware of my contributions on Wikipedia and this accusation, were it to go unanswered might escape into the outside world with very real consequenses for me and my family.

My sig may well be puerile and silly, but it is entirely innocent of any malice towards anyone. Devils In Skirts! (talk) 08:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

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Your comment against me at WP:AN/ANI[edit]

"he used two more chances to spit at the community." Absolute bull. Demagogue much? I never socked at all. Everybody knows a sock is an undisclosed alternate account used in a deceptive manner. I never did that. When even my talkpage was cut off to me, most recently on a transparently false charge of WP:CANVASSING when anybody who reads that policy and compares it to my actions sees there's no violation, I block evaded via raw IP clearly identifying my account. That's not socking. It's a perversion of language to say that that is socking. I can guess you can place made-up characterizations at the RFC/U that I have a "primary account" and "alternate account" when I consistently and honestly report from edit #1 that I am a single account user that abandoned a single prior account for privacy reasons. But you really go too far with this disgusting and manipulative "spit at the community" demagoguery. Save it for when you run for political office, would you? This is Colton Cosmic.

He does have a point he is block evading. Also you are wasting your time with a SPI. Checkuser's will not connect an IP to a named account and they will block the ip whereupon CC will get a new IP. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Soviet Union[edit]

Robert, what's going on? Why do you insist on misrepresenting my argument [4], even after I had explained my position to you[5]? --Nug (talk) 10:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Some more help on Verizon Communications?[edit]

Hi Robert McClenon, I'm hoping you might be able to help me with another edit to the Verizon Communications article. This is quite a big edit, in that I've redrafted the "History" section of the article. I've posted a note over at Talk:Verizon Communications with some comments about what I've done in my new draft, which you can find in my userspace. If you have time, do you think you might be able to take a look and see about moving this new "History" section into the article?

Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 17:47, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Robert McClenon, I'm following up with you to see if you think you might be able to help with looking at this draft and placing it? I realize it's quite long, and I'm happy to work through it section by section if that seems easier to you.

Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

This has been done. VZBob (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics[edit]

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Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3[edit]

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:16, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Why so unresponsive?[edit]

Hello Robert, since you ended my recent ANI request and then took the discussion to my talk page, i wonder why you do not respond to my questions there? Prokaryotes (talk) 00:57, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

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Please comment on Talk:Supreme Council of Crimea[edit]

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AfD[edit]

Hi Robert. Prehaps you'd like to also nominate the following for deletion too:

Modern pentathletes[edit]

1912

Edmond Bernhardt, Theodor Zeilau, Johannes Ussing, Vilhelm Laybourn, Kai Jølver, Carl Pauen, Ralph Clilverd, Henrik Norby, Carl Aejemelaeus, Weli Hohenthal, Aarno Almqvist, Oskar Wilkman

1920

Johan Skjoldager, Harry Bjørnholm, Ejner Augsburg, Jean Mondielli, Henri Candelon, René Foucher, Georges Brulé, Edward Gedge, Edward Clarke (pentathlete), Adriano Lanza, Arne Tellefsen, Bengt Uggla, Erik de Laval

1924

Jules Hulsmans, Jacques De Wykerslooth De Rooyesteyn, J. L. M. Van Loocke, Léopold Buffin de Chosal, Jindřich Lepiere, Karel Tůma, Marius Christensen, Emil Hagelberg, Guillaume de Tournemire, René Dignon, Ivan Duranthon, Frederick Barton (pentathlete), George Vokins, Gaspare Pasta, Giuseppe Micheli, Ernesto Corradi, Omero Chiesa, Barent Momma, Carolus Stoffels, Leif Knudtzon, Olliver Smith, Carl Årmann, Frederick Pitts, Don Scott (athlete), George Bare

1928

Charles Cumont, Charles Vannerom, Édouard Écuyer de le Court, Kamil Gampe, Josef Schejbal, Rudolf Růžička, Otto Olsen (pentathlete), Helge Jensen, Tauno Lampola, Henrik Avellan, André Crémon, Pierre Coche, Charles-Jean LeVavasseur, Hermann Hölter, Helmuth Kahl, Lance East, Alfred Goodwin (pentathlete), David Turquand-Young, Tivadar Filótás, Carlo Simonetti, Luigi Petrillo, Eugenio Pagnini, Tjeerd Pasma, Willem van Rhijn, Christiaan Tonnet, Franciszek Koprowski, Stefan Szelestowski, Zenon Małłysko, Ingvar Berg, Richard Mayo (pentathlete)

1932

Helmuth Naudé, Konrad Miersch, Willi Remer, Jeffrey MacDougall, Vernon Barlow, Percy Legard, Francesco Pacini, Humberto Anguiano, José Morales (pentathlete), Miguel Ortega, Rafael Afonso de Sousa, Clayton Mansfield, Brookner Brady

1936

Alfred Guth, Jan Scheere, Raoul Mollet, Anísio da Rocha, Rui Duarte (pentathlete), Guilherme Catramby Filho, Ukko Hietala, Aaro Kiviperä, Paul Lavanga, Béchir Bouazzat, André Chrétien, Herbert Bramfeld, Hermann Lemp (pentathlete), Archibald Jack (pentathlete), Alexandros Baltatzis-Mavrokorlatis, Lajos von Sipeki-von Balás, Nándor von Orbán, Franco Orgera, Ugo Ceccarelli, Luis Casíllas, Johannes van der Horst, Josephus Serré, Alexander van Geen, José Escribens, Ebbe Gyllenstierna, Georg von Boisman, Willy Grundbacher, Karl Wyss, Alfred Starbird

1948

Horacio Siburu, Augusto Premoli, Enrique Wirth, Charles Vyt, Louis Fauconnier, Humberto Bedford, Aloysio Borges, Aëcio Coelho, Hernán Fuentes, Nilo Floody, Otto Jemelka, Christian Palant, Louis Pichon, André Lacroix (pentathlete), Geoffrey Brooke, Jack Lumsden, Albert Martin (pentathlete), László Karácson, Frigyes Hegedűs, Duilio Brignetti, Roberto Curcio, Giulio Palmonella, Ricardo García (pentathlete), Alejandro Quiroz, Manuel Bernabeu, José Luis Riera, Alberto Moreiras (pentathlete), Sune Wehlin, Werner Schmid, Franz Hegner, Bruno Riem, Hale Baugh, Richard Gruenther, Ruben Orozco, Carlos Mercader, Alberto Ortíz

1952

Olavi Rokka, Jorge Cáceres (pentathlete), Carlos Velázquez (pentathlete), Luis Ribera, Francis Plumerel, Eric Marques, Eduardo de Medeiros, Luis Carmona, Bertrand de Montaudoin, Adolf Harder, Dietloff Kapp, Berthold Slupik, Jervis Percy, John Hewitt (pentathlete), Leon Lumsdaine, Alfonso Marotta, David Romero (pentathlete), António Jonet, José Pereira (pentathlete), Ricardo Durão, Harry Schmidt (pentathlete), Aleksandr Dekhayev, Pavel Rakityansky, Erhard Minder, Werner Vetterli, Guy Troy, Thad McArthur, Frederick Denman, Lem Martínez, Américo González (pentathlete)

1956

George Nicoll, Sven Coomer, Neville Sayers, Nilo da Silva, Wenceslau Malta, Salvio Lemos, Héctor Carmona, Gerardo Cortes, Sr., Vladimír Černý, Jean-Claude Hamel (pentathlete), George Norman (pentathlete), Thomas Hudson (pentathlete), Donald Cobley, Antal Moldrich, János Bódy, Adriano Facchini (pentathlete), Victor Teodorescu, Dumitru Ţintea, Cornel Vena, Marthinus du Plessis, Okkie van Greunen, Björn Thofelt

1960

Raúl Bauza, Carlos Stricker, Hugh Doherty (pentathlete), Arsène Pint, José Wilson, Justo Botelho, Benny Schmidt, Eero Lohi, Étienne Jalenques, Christian Beauvalet, André Bernard (pentathlete), Dieter Krickow, Wolfgang Gödicke, Peter Little (pentathlete), Patrick Harvey (pentathlete), Giulio Giunta, Gaetano Scala, Shigeaki Uchino, Kazuhiro Tanaka (pentathlete), Naji El-Mekki, Mohamed Ben Checkroun, Kazimierz Mazur, Kazimierz Paszkiewicz, Stanisław Przybylski, Fernando Irayzoz, Joaquín Villalba, Sture Ericson (pentathlete), Per-Erik Ritzén, Rolf Weber, Ahmed Ennachi, Habib Ben Azzabi, Lakdar Bouzid

1964

Donald McMiken, Jorma Hotanen, Kari Kaaja, Keijo Vanhala, Elmar Frings, Uwe Adler, Robert Phelps (pentathlete), Benjamin Finnis, Alfonso Ottaviani, Shigeki Mino, Yoshihide Fukutome, Enrique Padilla (pentathlete), Eduardo Florez, Choi Gwi-Seung, Rolf Junefelt, Bo Jansson

1968

Wolfgang Leu, Siegfried Springer, Wolf-Dietrich Sonnleitner, Ivan Apostolov (pentathlete), Konstantin Sardzhev, Antoni Panyovski, Pavel Kupka, Jørn Steffensen, Wolfgang Lüderitz, Jörg Tscherner, Karl-Heinz Kutschke, Seppo Aho, Barry Lillywhite, Nicolo Deligia, Giancarlo Morresi, Mario Medda, Toshio Fukui, Katsuaki Tashiro, Yuso Makihira, Eduardo Tovar, Eduardo Olivera, Alex Tschui , Tom Lough, Hans Jürgen Todt, Heiner Thade

1972

Robert Barrie (pentathlete), Bruno Jerebicnik, Angel Pepelyankov, Velko Bratanov, Georgi Stoyanov (pentathlete), George Skene (pentathlete), Kenneth Maaten, Scott Scheuermann, René Heitmann, Klaus Petersen, Michel Gueguen, Giovanni Perugini, Akira Kubo (pentathlete), Masaru Sakano, Juan José Castilla, Gilberto Toledano, Henk Krediet, Rob Vonk, Jan Bekkenk, Stanisław Skwira, Ryszard Wach, Adalbert Covacs, Marian Cosmescu, Dumitru Spîrlea, Beat Ganz, Urs Hugi, Scott Taylor (pentathlete), Charles Richards (pentathlete), Hole Rößler, Walter Esser

1976

Peter Ridgway (pentathlete), Nikolay Nikolov (pentathlete), Stoyan Zlatev, Jack Alexander, John Hawes (pentathlete), Claude Guiguet, Alain Cortes, Hiroyuki Kawazoe, Shoji Uchida, Krzysztof Trybusiewicz, Boris Mosolov, Gunnar Jacobson, Bengt Lager, Hans Lager, Serge Bindy, Robert Nieman, Michael Burley, Wolfgang Köpcke, Gerhard Werner (pentathlete)

1980

Helmut Wieser, Alexander Topay, Borislav Batikov, Simeon Monev, Milan Kadlec (pentathlete), Pekka Santanen, Nigel Clark (pentathlete), Peter Whiteside, Mark Hartigan (pentathlete), Sackville Currie, Jerome Hartigan, Jens Lohmann, Ivar Sisniega, Marek Bajan, Jan Olesiński, Cezar Răducanu, Gyula Galovici, Manuel Montesinos, José Serrano (pentathlete), Federico Galera (pentathlete)

1984

Daniel Esposito, Matthew Spies, Alex Watson (pentathlete), Horst Stocker (pentathlete), Ingo Peirits, Michael Billwein, Nabeel Saleh Mubarak, Abdul Rahman Jassim, Saleh Sultan Faraj, Chen Kung-Liang, Ahmed Nasser (pentathlete), Samy Awad, Ihab El-Lebedy, Jorma Korpela, Pasi Hulkkonen, Stephen Sowerby, Michael Mumford, Daizou Araki, Marcelo Hoyo, Alejandro Yrizar, Luís Monteiro, Gang Gyeong-Hyo, Kim Il (pentathlete), Jeong Gyeong-Hun, Eduardo Burguete, Jorge Quesada, Roderick Martin, Martin Lamprecht, Peter Minder, Peter Steinmann, Andy Jung, Christian Sandow, Michael Rehbein, Achim Bellmann

1988

Helmut Spannagl, Barry Kennedy, Nicholas Fekete, Lawrence Keyte, Gerardo Cortes, Jr., Ricardo Falconi, Julio Fuentes (pentathlete), Chuang Tang-Fa, Li King-Ho, Jiří Prokopius, Tomáš Fleissner, Tue Hellstem, Moustafa Adam, Ayman Mahmoud, Mohamed Abdou El-Souad, Bruno Génard, Christophe Ruer, Hiroaki Izumikawa, Tadafumi Miwa, Hiroshi Saito (pentathlete), Wiesław Chmielewski, Zhang Bin (pentathlete), Kim Seong-Ho, Kim Myung-Kun, Anatoly Avdeyev, German Yuferov, Leopoldo Centeno‎, Jan-Erik Danielsson‎, Peter Burger‎, Michael Gostigian‎, Alejandro Michelena‎, Dirk Knappheide‎, Michael Zimmermann‎, Marcus Marsollek‎

1992

Colin Hamilton‎, Gavin Lackey‎, Valentin Dzhavelkov‎, Stefan Asenov‎, Ian Soellner‎, Petr Blažek‎, Sherif El-Erian‎, Imre Tiidemann‎, Sébastien Deleigne‎, Pawel Olszewski (pentathlete)‎, Ulrich Czermak‎, Alexandros Nikolopoulos (pentathlete)‎, Attila Kálnoki Kis‎, Hiroshi Miyagahara‎, Vjačeslavs Duhanovs‎, Staņislavs Dobrotvorskis‎, Kirils Medjancevs‎, Tomas Narkus‎, Vladimiras Močialovas‎, Gintaras Staškevičius‎, Alberto Félix‎, Iván Ortega‎, Luis Alberto Urteaga‎, Marian Gheorghe‎, Kim In-Ho (pentathlete)‎, Lee Yeong-Chan‎, Carles Lerín‎, Jesús Centeno‎, Per-Olov Danielsson‎, Per Nyqvist‎, Håkan Norebrink‎, James Haley (pentathlete)‎, Daniel Pereyra‎

2012

Ed Fernon, Nicola Benedetti (pentathlete), Riccardo De Luca, Shinichi Tomii, Dennis Bowsher, Stefan Köllner, Steffen Gebhardt, Christopher Patte, Amro El Geziry, Wang Guan, Andrei Gheorghe, Szymon Staśkiewicz, Pavlo Tymoshchenko, Rustim Sabirkhouzine

All the best. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Chortle. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Euromaidan[edit]

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regarding Dari vs. King Darius[edit]

Please see Dari (Persian dialect). What the IP writes is pure nonsense. Regards. --Lysozym (talk) 14:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics opened[edit]

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Gun control arbitration proposed decision[edit]

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VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
  • You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing  Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
  • VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and MediaWiki.org). If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
  • When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
  • The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
  • The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
  • If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "Move" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "Edit source" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "Edit source" and "View history" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.
The drop-down menu is on the right, next to the search box.

Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

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Topic ban[edit]

So far at AN/I, it's three for a J. Johnson topic ban and one against it.[6] What happens now? Or does this just get stale and nothing happens? -- Winkelvi 22:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice of RfC 2 and request for participation[edit]

There is an RfC on the Gun politics in the U.S. talk page which may be of interest to editors who participated in "RfC: Remove Nazi gun control argument?" on the Gun control talk page.

Thank you. --Lightbreather (talk) 00:13, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Response[edit]

Sorry, Robert. I've left a response on my talk page. Thanks.Vuzor (talk) 21:28, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions[edit]

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Stamps - history RfC[edit]

You were kind enough to inquire at at Wikipedia Talk:Non-free content#Request for Summary of RFC so I have tried to make an answer there. I am relatively new, and note the RfC is sort of highjacked away from me by walls of unrelated text. So at the link, I have tried to restate the case as opposed to the reductio ad absurdum. To date, six agree to the use of the stamp with historical analysis to meet "contextual significance" for the stamp itself, a commemorative. --- One has disagreed saying there is no context at History of Virginia on stamps relative to the commemorative on the Virginia Ratification Convention. --- Your comments and opinion are welcome. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:47, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

American politics arbitration evidence[edit]

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Good bye, and thank you[edit]

RMcC: Just wanted to say a parting thanks for your efforts to understand and help me understand contentious matters that I have been involved with here. After falling prey a further time to a touch-and-go Huggle/Winkle user, this time in the opposite direction, I am calling it quits here. (While in past I was faulted for asking removal of longstanding unreferenced text, this time it was for urging that it be allowed to remain, at least on short term, so editors could add references.) I have decided the capriciousness of the general processes, and of the administrative review processes that take place early in the case—its structuring to favour the first to revert, and to favour those who can quickly call upon friends to join in reverting—does not lead to just outcomes in reasonable amounts of time. This is all the more vexing, given the manner that so many, via Huggle, Twinkle, etc., monitor articles that they have no deep interest in, where their visits in response to automated pings are not necessarily followed by any careful consideration of the real situation at the article giving the ping. Case in point, last, was an editor that admitted not looking at the extensive talk written about the ongoing edits, but reverted them even so. No, life is too short. I have been contacted by a group that thinks there is a place for a curated alternative to Wikipedia, and so I am preparing to jump ship. I hope, perhaps, by interacting with me, even if not agreeing, you come to understand that there are bodies of subject matter experts that would have wished to contribute to WIkipedia over the long term, but that cannot stomach the process as it currently exists. With regard for your assistance, and integrity, I am… Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 19:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Russel Targ[edit]

Targ (user Torgownik) was forum shopping. He's been through OTRS and the article talk page, and recruited support off-wiki. Guy (Help!) 10:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

NYIT[edit]

Could you please add Harry Hurwitz and Morrie Yohai under "Notable faculty, staff and board members" section on NYIT. Thanks--77788er (talk) 15:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Notice[edit]

A discussion closely related to one you recently participated in is ongoing here:

Talk:Assault weapons legislation in the United States#Move/Rename compromise

Your participation would be welcome. Lightbreather (talk) 01:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

EllenCT[edit]

Note how she puts the onus back on you to show where she made accusations about paid advocacy despite VictorD7's ample diffs. This is one of her tactics.

There's a simple reason why VictorD7 considers the tax rates on the 1% progressive, many reliable sources say that including the Congressional Budget Office, The NY Times, the Atlantic Magazine, the Tax Foundation and even Paul Krugman (who's no fan of the wealthy).Mattnad (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014[edit]

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The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "Cite" menu, press "Cite" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "Cite" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Language" tool in the "Insert" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "Formula" item in the "Insert" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "Cancel" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Style text" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "Save page" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

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Cassey Ho[edit]

FYI, for WP:G4: "A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion. This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies, and content moved to user space for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy)." Also, it would have been good to talk to User:ThaddeusB before tagging the article as indicated on the article talk page. --I am One of Many (talk) 19:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Viriditas[edit]

Bullshit. It is Viriditas who has repeatedly attacked my motives for my editing, without providing any evidence for his accusations to the exclusion of other motives, and has continued to do so, even after I pointed out that this clearly violated WP:AGF, something for which other editors such as yourself have done nothing. I have every right to point out when someone has deliberately stated a falsehood in falsely accusing another editor, ad hominem of some nefarious motive, without evidence. It is that which is incivil, and not calling them on it. Spare me your hypocrisy. Nightscream (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Nichole Galicia[edit]

You removed the birth date from the lede but it is also in the infobox. (I haven't checked to see if a reference can be found.) RJFJR (talk) 16:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

IP Address Test[edit]

Editing logged out to test whether an IPv4 or an IPv6 address is used. IPv4 address removed 21:31, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Computer_virus&diff=613482472&oldid=612768844 You undid my edit. Why? It's a sentence, or? The third picture description have also a dot at the end ... Tobias B. Besemer (talk) 23:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you were confused by the word "dot" instead of "point" ??? Tobias B. Besemer (talk) 23:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me[edit]

My bad on that edit on the Nationals article - I swear that when I looked at it I thought I was looking at it in the opposite direction, and that someone had added the Braves as the owner, and I thought I was reverting away from that; clearly I mis-read what I was doing. Now, as to why you thought someone with my editing history, and with a talk page devoid of the warning messages that would be typical of a wikipedia vandal, was deserving of a Level 3 warning, well, have a nice day. Echoedmyron (talk) 17:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the info you sent me. much appreciated. Insertcleverphrasehere (talk) 04:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Violet (color)[edit]

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Noticed comments on talk page - DS[edit]

Hi! I've noticed your comments from here and your invitation to ask questions regarding the aspects presented there. Could you please explain what is the essence of DS (Discretionary sanctions)? Also is there any potential interference with improvement of content of articles by DS?

Another question refers to your notification of some disruption. What is exactly is the nature of the disruption? I haven't understood very well. Is somehow the use of word disruptive disruptive and should it have been replaced with word less insinuating? An objection to a objectionable (dubious) archiving can't reasonably be considered disruptive/obstructive (or some other strong word).--82.137.15.45 (talk) 14:50, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I will reply here, since your IP address keeps changing. First, since your IP address keeps changing, it would be useful to create a registered account. Second, for a description of discretionary sanctions, see discretionary sanctions. Second, you ask whether there is any potential interference with improvement of content of articles due to discretionary sanctions? That depends on what you mean by improvement of content. Discretionary sanctions provide special remedies for POV-pushing, incivility, etc., in contentious areas. This facilitates the NPOV improvement of content. It is meant to prevent the imposition of non-neutral POV on articles. In the case in point, it will slow down efforts by believers in cold fusion to demand changes that present cold fusion as mainstream science, when it is Wikipedia consensus and scientific consensus that cold fusion is fringe science. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
In order to prevent the imposition a non NPOV, firstly the NPOV must be determined, not assumed from start in order to prevent possible error of stating inaccurately NNPOV as NPOV. You seems to have the impression that the scientific consensus is that CF is fringe and some users are POV-pushing the contrary. One can certainly say that CF is controversial, the fringe status is to be verified based on sources.
This assertion as CF being fringe cannot reasonably be accepted as an axiom, it has to be based on sources whose accuracy must be verified to prevent misrepresentation from insinuating. The requests from CF talk are intended to clarify some problematic aspects from some sources. These requests surely are for the improvement of the article and are reasonable and labeling them disruptive is objectionable (not to say obstructive because I understand using this word is not considered appropriate).
Have you considered the possibility of a misrepresentation of consensus? Any reasonable editor should consider this and should not impose a certain POV by default.--82.137.15.108 (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Therefore I ask you politely to stop labeling as disruptive reasonable requests for clarification of content of sources and what these sources really support.--82.137.15.108 (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Also I suggest politely to stop make allusion to discrimination of IP vs registered users.--82.137.11.2 (talk) 15:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

WT:Harassment[edit]

Hi again, I was reading the talk pages of the policy pages related to the current Paid Editing brouhaha and came across this. You were asking about being a closer, but the general rule is that closers can't have taken a stand publicly on one side or the other. Have your views shifted since then, and if so, have you discussed your new views on Wikipedia since that post? - Dank (push to talk) 02:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Reply : Collaborative environment and TE[edit]

Hi! I've noticed your post to my talk page. I've also seen that you are a chemist and therefore a person who appreciates technical understanding/expertise. Are you sure my requests are tendentious as you have written on my talk? WP:TE has something re requests for sources:

  • One who ignores or refuses to answer good faith questions from other editors
No editor should ever be expected to do "homework" for another editor, but simple, clarifying questions from others should not be ignored. (e. g. "You say the quote you want to incorporate can be found in this 300 page pdf, but I've looked and I can't find it. Exactly what page is it on?") Failure to cooperate with such simple requests may be interpreted as evidence of a bad faith effort to exasperate or waste the time of other editors. (end of quote)

I think that the mentioned requests for are useful also to improve other articles, noncontroversial ones like Nernst equation and Conductivity (electrolytic) and therefore in a wikicollaborative spirit.--188.27.144.144 (talk) 10:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

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The character formatting menu

Did you know?

The character formatting menu, or "Style text" menu lets you set bold, italic, and other text styles. "Clear formatting" removes all text styles and removes links to other pages.

Do you think that clear formatting should remove links? Are there changes you would like to see for this menu? Share your opinion at MediaWiki.org.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

The VisualEditor team is mostly working to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

  • They have moved the "Keyboard shortcuts" link out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Within dialog boxes, buttons are now more accessible (via the Tab key) from the keyboard.
  • You can now see the target of the link when you click on it, without having to open the inspector.
  • The team also expanded TemplateData: You can now add a parameter type  "date" for dates and times in the ISO 8601 format, and  "boolean" for values which are true or false. Also, templates that redirect to other templates (like {{citeweb}}{{cite web}}) now get the TemplateData of their target (bug 50964). You can test TemplateData by editing mw:Template:Sandbox/doc.
  • Category: and File: pages now display their contents correctly after saving an edit (bug 65349, bug 64239)
  • They have also improved reference editing: You should no longer be able to add empty citations with VisualEditor (bug 64715), as with references. When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to replace it with another reference instead. 
  • It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor. Remember that inline images cannot display captions, so existing captions get removed. Many other bugs related to images were also fixed.
  • You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the "Page options" menu, rounding out the full set of page options currently planned.
  • The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler.

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re: "Boy"[edit]

Do not contact me again, and you can lose the condescending tone and smugly moralistic stance. You have no more authority here than I have. Saying that an editor should "move on, which appears to have happened" and then following it up with a personal message designed to protract the issue is illogical. Caper454 (talk) 14:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

NAC reverted[edit]

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ArbCom page – suggest self-revert[edit]

Robert, only arbitrators & clerks may comment on this page. I suggest you self-revert the comment. – S. Rich (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions template[edit]

Hi, I'm curious why you templated a regular? --Middle 8 (leave me alonetalk to meCOI?) 11:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Because he could. WP:Tiptibism. Collect (talk) 12:36, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
It goes beyond that. The use of that particular template is required for arbitration enforcement. That particular template has special code that logs the fact that it was used, and text cannot be used as a substitute. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks; to be clear, I didn't mean why template a regular; I meant why template a regular. Between WP:DTTR and feedback from User:Collect, you've probably surmised that templates (especially the "now that you've been Officially Notified And Logged In The System, you might be Sanctioned" kind) aren't particularly welcomed by some (most?) users, especially without comment. Just leaving a note saying why you're leaving the template would be courteous. Doing that, and maybe even glancing at an editor's user page and length of edit history, wouldn't take much more time than it took you to get the template formatted properly on my user talk. What are your concerns? --Middle 8 (leave me alonetalk to meCOI?) 23:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
The concerns include that you and other users were notified of a thread at WP:ANI, but there apparently never was a proper notice that the article was subject to discretionary sanctions. As I said, this particular template is required. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Actually I was notified by the thread-starter, as were the other two users he posted about. --Middle 8 (leave me alonetalk to meCOI?) 00:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
If he hadn't templated you M8, when sanctions eventually fall on you, you would probably have found some wiggle room. This way, it is totally within the rules. Well done Robert. I've had my template btw, quite properly too. This kind of behavioural template doesn't fall into the "don't template the regulars" excuse, but you knew that. -Roxy the dog (resonate) 01:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I think there's a teeny valid Wikiquette point (suggestion) there but very probably not worth my mentioning it, and I don't blame Robert for posting, as it's likely he just didn't notice I'd already been notified. (I also think the discretionary sanctions & template may be an overly bureaucratic way of handing issues that we already have ways of handling but that's obviously nothing to do with Robert) --Middle 8 (leave me alonetalk to meCOI?) 06:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Middle 8 may not have read the sanctions previously. QuackGuru (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the AjoChhand Machine page[edit]

David Eppstein sent a message that our page does not have any reference, a simple request, we with due honor we followed. Me being a senior scientist currently working in MIT would never post anything without peer review in Wikipedia. Please check the page yourself, AjoChhand Machine. I sent the professor an email and he abused me in the email with bad words. I added all references (check the page with time, we followed his instructions with due respect), yet he came and tagged our page again, all changed reverted. Wikipedia suggested us to link the article with other related articles because it is "Orphan". So we did. Prof Epstein found each and every single link and deleted them making our page "orphan" once again, so that robots delete the page, in due time.

Here is the editor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Eppstein check how many people have complained in his talk page, I informed him politely that we have followed his instruction (check his talk page, for my post), yet he does not change the notice. I informed him that all his concerns are addressed. By the way I have more reputed publications than this editor. Check the history of AjoChhand Machine page to verify (time now) and how politely, and respectfully we have addressed his concern, still he reverts back. He does not check our modifications. I could post his abusive messages, but did not.

I sincerely request you to check, how our article is based on extensive peer reviewed work over six years. After giving several plenary lectures, I was asked to do something general people. But coming here, my experience is painful, I was never abused so much in my life, it was easier to publish paper in Nature for us than Wikipedia, a part of the article was published in Nature Physics too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasaComp (talkcontribs) 19:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for kind help and keeping a note on the article. We really appreciate your urgent help.

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Cold Fusion[edit]

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Hi there. This template is purely for completeness. By templating you, there can be no accusations or comments from other parties that you're in some way exempt from sanctions etc. As I've stated on the talk page in question, I agree with your comments regarding Hydroton. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

New page patrollers[edit]

It is not even first time that I am watching 8 years old accounts patrolling new pages, though these accounts never edited en.wiki before this year. Would be interesting to know. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 04:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any particular issue, such as a sock-puppet investigation, in mind? I am not sure what the context is? Robert McClenon (talk) 13:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's watch, Mdann52 has just proposed a indef block, check [7]. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 14:29, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

inappropriate use of the article talk page[edit]

I assume you are familiar with the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines

These discussions are inappropriate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cold_fusion&diff=617114870&oldid=617110112

I do not have an account, asserting such things on the article talk page is not useful.

  • You are to: "Comment on content, not on the contributor: Keep the discussions focused upon the topic of the talk page, rather than on the personalities of the editors contributing to the talk page."
  • You are to: "Be welcoming to newcomers: People new to Wikipedia may be unfamiliar with policy and conventions. Please do not bite the newcomers. If someone does something against custom, assume it was an unwitting mistake. You should politely and gently point out their mistake, reference the relevant policy/guideline/help pages, and suggest a better approach."
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84.106.11.117 (talk) 23:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

"WP:IPs are people too" might be of interest.

84.106.11.117 (talk)

Wikipedia:IP_addresses_are_not_people might be of interest too. 84.* i don't know why you highlight "Be welcoming to newcomer", you've been around for years, Second Quantization (talk) 19:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Templating QT[edit]

Why did you template QT, with cold fusion template [8]? The editor clearly hasn't edited there for some time. Second Quantization (talk) 19:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I should mention that indiscriminate templating about sanctions is generally frowned upon. Only template someone when you think they are actually violating those sanctions and thus require the notice. You've also failed to log your warnings at the case page as required, Second Quantization (talk) 19:19, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
(Comment) The template itself clearly states "This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date", (whcih the ArbCom page duplicates) and so does not need to be only used "...when you think they are actually violating those sanctions and thus require the notice." It can be used to forewarn editors that they may be heading into dangerous waters and remove any doubt that their actions may have unexpectedly harsh consequences. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:10, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
... which would only make sense if they had recently edited in that area. We are talking about a week after the person edited the article here; not recent. More importantly, QT is already aware of the sanctions as far as arbitration enforcement (AE) is concerned, since he has been a party of cases involving them, has been editing in topics under DS for years and has been blocked under those very arbcom sanctions.
As a general rule, it's bad form to give notifications without reason (particularly when they are redundant) as its usually done as a necessary precursor to AE when problematic behaviour is seen. Second Quantization (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
As a general rule, I would say that Robert has reason for the template - a week is not a particularly long time, and I would consider it "recent", especially given the relatively low traffic generated by the page. Just because a user has been made aware of criteria in the past does not exclude them from being reminded, especially when tensions on the page may headed for flashpoint. Again, you are apparently insisting that the template is used when the editor is in the wrong: "...its usually done as a necessary precursor to AE when problematic behaviour is seen." This is absolutely not a requirement, and as I pointed out above, both the template and ArbCom page make this abundently clear.
I also take issue with your use of the term "indiscriminate" - Robert is very specific in who he has templated - the last four editors to contribute to either the article or discussion page. That shows reasonable care. The only person who was missed off that list was Robert himself - so I did the deed. Now we are all on a level playing field.
I think perhaps I'm done here. Robert is surely able to defend himself if he feels he has to, and I tip my hat in his direction for using his page as a discussion board. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
"As a general rule, I would say that Robert has reason for the template" I've already shown has this reason did not apply for a variety of reasons. Templates related to DS have almost always been used in cases where there was problematic behaviour and usually by uninvolved parties "The only person who was missed off that list was Robert himself - so I did the deed." Yeah he wasn't aware of the sanctions after templating other editors about it, so that's just what he needed. You sound far too pedantic, so I'm not going to bother. I see no reason why an involved party can't use the templates when they need to, but some admins disagree: [9], so be aware of the issues. I'll end by quoting an arbitrator, demonstrating the ambiguities: "When exactly to notify has been the subject of some debate" [10]. Second Quantization (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Second Quantization (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Nadine Stroitz[edit]

Hello Robert McClenon. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Nadine Stroitz, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a blatant hoax. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:26, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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B&I ban[edit]

It's quite alright, RM. WP:RESTRICT already informed me that my B/I ban 'expired' on April 3, 2014. GoodDay (talk) 19:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

WRONG ranking nominal GDP in Russia presentation[edit]

According to Wikipedia criteria and according to IMF data April 2014 RUSSIA should be ranked 9th and not 8th in 2014 by nominal gdp. ITALY in fact is ranked 8th as you can see by nominal gdp.Russia was ranked 9th but some weeks ago somebody unlocked and posted it 8th in 2014 in the presentation.This is a vandalic allowed act.In talk there are no writings about this change.I started a talk in Russia to change this vandalic act. Today we have that Italy and Russia are both 8th but Italy in 2014 is the true 8th with 2.172 while Russia 9th with 2.092.How is it possible to restore truth?Thanks.Gladio4772 (talk) 18:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not really able in that page,i'll last on Russia Talk.An editor that knows economy should arrive as an administrator promised.Anyway i thank you a lot to follow this right action to correct wrong data in Wikipedia.Thanks a lot!Gladio4772 (talk) 19:57, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I received an aggresive behaviour by an editor in my dispute .I neither replied her.She closed discussion without neither considering all points.I always cited in fact 2 mistakes about Russia article.Please ,how is it possible to act?Thanks.Gladio4772 (talk) 13:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer.And what about the second mistake that i always cited?Why didn't she correct it? The dispute in this way was closed not in a very clear way.In need your opinion and eventually your action on it.Thanks again.Gladio4772 (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Please ,read my talk. IP 198....vandalized all my talk and my profile.He vandalized also other people as i saw.I've no words....Gladio4772 (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

The facts again is Russia is the 5th largest economy now and will be number 4 in 2016 and is the biggest in Europe[11].
Here's the facts http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/
http://thebricspost.com/russia-ranked-5th-largest-economy-world-bank/#.U7x7oE1OXnM
http://en.ria.ru/business/20130715/182248723/Medvedev-Lauds-Russias-5th-Place-in-World-Banks-GDP-Rating.html
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-takes-5th-place-in-world-gdp-rankings/483190.html
http://www.bne.eu/content/moscow-blog-russia-overtakes-germany-become-5th-largest-economy
http://www.fundweb.co.uk/emerging/russia-now-worlds-fifth-largest-economy-in-gdp-terms/1075160.article
http://rbth.com/business/2013/07/17/russian_economy_becomes_biggest_in_europe_28149.html
--198.23.81.141 (talk) 20:48, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcoming message[edit]

So you've sent me yet another welcoming message to prevent neutral administrators of getting in touch with me. Well done!--37.230.13.71 (talk) 22:59, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Vinay Deolilakar[edit]

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The article which you PROD'd was in user space. I don't think that articles in user space are subject to PROD for the lack of references because they are drafts. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Vinay Deolilakar[edit]

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Colton Cosmic Comment[edit]

You should move this comment to WP:AN. The comment is not showing up in the discussion. GB fan 18:53, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Carr Collins, Jr.[edit]

Hello. Do you know why Carr Collins, Jr. was deleted and what the page looked like? Please reply on my talkpage. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

OK thanks. Obviously, adding an infobox and some chronological subsections would make it less confused. And from reading the deletion page, the main problem for some seems to be a lack of focus on his own life achievements apparently. Now, has he had a more full-fledged business career? Has he been involved in philanthropy?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
OK. Yes, I think he is probably notable, depending on how much he donated, and if he's donated to other organizations, etc. I will try to dig up a few things. Do you mind it I edit your userbox about him, or should I create my own? I'd mostly like to fix the layout and then add more referenced info. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, is it possible to find a copyright-free picture of Collins Hall? Are you based in Dallas and able to take pictures, or not? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
OK so 1) Can I edit your userbox? 2) Would you be able to take some pictures in Bethesda and other places near DC? I may apply for a PhD there, and I like to do a lot of research before I decide to move to a new place (to reduce stress--it helps to move to a new place that feels somewhat familiar).Zigzig20s (talk) 06:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Operation Protective Edge[edit]

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64.... & 198......[edit]

I think that 64..... that wrote on the Italy talk is the same person that wrote under the IP 198......I 've really no words for this behaviour that is beginning to disturb me.Thanks.Gladio4772 (talk) 09:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Remeber my particular situation that must be protected and respected at every level.That's why i posted it on my profile.Thanks a lot for your suggests).Gladio4772 (talk) 15:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Robert: Didn't realize there was a redundant photo uploaded in connection with the William South page. Sorry about that. Jladrew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jladrew (talkcontribs) 20:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

210.92.171.47[edit]

Any IP with that sort of edit and geolocating to Seoul is a sock of banned user User:Mikemikev. Dougweller (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Nadine Stroitz[edit]

I remember that although what you say is true, Miss Julia is Furdea Austria; but she will compete in MISS WORLD. By Nadine Stroitz change as first runner is "MISS UNIVERSE AUSTRIA" this information was confirmed by the official website of Miss Universe. The same thing happened last year, Doris Hoffman was Miss Universe Austria. It is not suitable to clear the article is encyclopedic.Jaam0121 (talk) 19:41, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I have contested the speedy tag. Please discuss on Talk: Miss Austria. If there is a single Miss Austria contest from which two contestants go to Miss Universe and Miss World, this should be described in Miss Austria. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
The article expresses that Miss Austria, the contest winner who will choose Miss World. And the first runner goes to Miss Universe. This not only happens in Miss Austria, numerous contests in different countries do the same. Jaam0121 (talk) 19:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Visit. Talk: Miss Austria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaam0121 (talkcontribs) 20:09, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Closing RFCs[edit]

About this: If you can't figure out consensus when there is only extended discussion and no explicitly labeled "votes" (or "not votes", which is what "!votes" means), then you should not be trying to close those discussions. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:41, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Earthquake prediction[edit]

Hi - have you seen WP:ANI#Egregious section heading at Talk:Earthquake prediction? Interesting that Joe Bodacious was a sock. Dougweller (talk) 08:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

A guy[edit]

A guy cancelled all what i wrote in Talks of Potential superpowers .He did it referring to 64.... that vandalized my page too.What can id o? I acted always in a correct way as i promised you.This guy seems to ignore my particular situation and he says i'm from Florence when i'm not from Florence.Tel me what to do in this disturbing situation started with 64.... action.Thanks.Gladio4772 (talk) 13:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

RFC[edit]

In my opinion, the best RFCs and !polls are the ones that are either collaboratively prepared beforehand, or alternatively when the unilateral drafter works really really hard at drafting them to be a model example of writing for the WP:OPPONENT. Do you have any ideas to improve the TPG RFC with those thoughts in mind? I do... I suggest the lead in be edited to purge our disagreement and present mutually acceptable phrasing. I think your wording was unfair, and I'm not wedded to mine if you can think of a way to present the issue even overbetter. Ideas? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I am aware that you and I disagree, but I think that the use of Standard written English is the best way to avoid cross-cultural misunderstandings. I do not agree to having the lede rewritten to provide a single option, because I don't think that we have mutually acceptable preferred phrasing. Yours is reasonable and I prefer mine. If you have a third alternative, I am willing to consider it, but I don't want to rewrite the RFC at this point. The RFC process can choose which wording the community wants. They are two different overlapping concepts. I think mine is better, and you think yours is better, and we can respect the community process. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
That entirely misses the point, but whatever. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that it misses the point. If your point is that we should have a single version to which we both agree, I don't think we will get there, and I think that it is better to go forward than to spend a week not agreeing trying to work out standard language. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Like I said that misses the point. HOW WE ASK THE COMMUNITY A QUESTION is the point. Whatever the question you like solution A and I like solution B. The way you packaged the RFC was biased in favor of your viewpoint. The first form of power is setting the agenda and phrasing the question. Even though you like end-result A and I like end-Result B, those who prepare RFCs and !Polls really should be NPOV when they write the question. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Quote[edit]

How do I do that bit? Just link to WikiQuote? Cheers. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Put the attribution at the bottom of the section. I suppose that a link to WikiQuote would suffice. I am not speaking for the posters who are requesting that the quote be taken down. They are still making that request. I am silent on it. As it is, the quote is a copyright issue. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

You have been active at the article or talk page, so here's a note about Anarcho-capitalism[edit]

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