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Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG eat it Mikeomalley (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Many thanks for the barnstar, Robert. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

AN/I[edit]

Robert, your edit here is indented so that the questions appear to relate to my post. Your questions have partially been addressed in that section but I'll touch on the basics for you here. The default can be bypassed by editors that do not employ the proper page move procedure. The articles in question were not created by IP users, at least the 3 that I checked. Tiderolls 15:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Abbeys[edit]

In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34. This proves the abbey was here it also states the monks moved from crowland and lived and worshipped here, hope this helps you.

From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Also fully :-In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34) and both sheepand wool were sent to Crowland. The special accountsof the sheep-run, however, end abruptly in 1314, (fn. 35) butwool remained an important factor in Wellingborougheconomy and in 1319 there were 200 sheep on theabbot's demesne. (fn. 36) Probably the demesne lands wereusually leased. (fn. 37) In the 16th century there was still alarge market for wool and fells in the town. (fn. 38) The making of cheese, which formerly made the cheese fair onSt. Luke's Day celebrated, (fn. 39) can be traced back to the13th century when a large number of cheeses wereaccounted for to the abbey. (fn. 40) In 1693, and again in1743, Wellingborough market was the scene of somewhat serious corn riots. (fn. 41) Lace-making was a thrivingindustry until killed by the introduction of machinemade lace, (fn. 42) but at the present day the main industriesof Wellingborough are boot- and shoe-making andironworks. (fn. 43)

From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC) In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34. This proves the abbey was here it also states the monks moved from crowland and lived and worshipped here, hope this helps you.

From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Also fully :-In the later 13th century Wellingborough was included in the well-organized system of sheep-farmingdeveloped by the abbey of Crowland. (fn. 33) In 1291 theprofits of the flocks are specially mentioned amongst theabbey revenues at Wellingborough (fn. 34) and both sheepand wool were sent to Crowland. The special accountsof the sheep-run, however, end abruptly in 1314, (fn. 35) butwool remained an important factor in Wellingborougheconomy and in 1319 there were 200 sheep on theabbot's demesne. (fn. 36) Probably the demesne lands wereusually leased. (fn. 37) In the 16th century there was still alarge market for wool and fells in the town. (fn. 38) The making of cheese, which formerly made the cheese fair onSt. Luke's Day celebrated, (fn. 39) can be traced back to the13th century when a large number of cheeses wereaccounted for to the abbey. (fn. 40) In 1693, and again in1743, Wellingborough market was the scene of somewhat serious corn riots. (fn. 41) Lace-making was a thrivingindustry until killed by the introduction of machinemade lace, (fn. 42) but at the present day the main industriesof Wellingborough are boot- and shoe-making andironworks. (fn. 43)

From: 'Parishes: Wellingborough', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume 4 (1937), pp. 135-146. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66335 Date accessed: 14 June 2013.Abbot gordon (talk) 20:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC) Archives

References[edit]

I havent removed a reference this evening, i have just reworked it into a template reference.Jason Rees (talk) 22:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Help with 3RR report?[edit]

Thank you for your helpful comment on the help desk about a 3RR violation, actually 4 reverts. Now the subject has disappeared into an archive and I don't know how to find it. I also don't know how to report that problem. Do we ever help each other with such things? I need help with it. That's why I tried a help tag twice on that articles talk page. Not very good at this kind of thing. In all these years, this never happened to me before, but I don't think it should just pass. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Does it ever happen, as far as you know, that such reports to the noticeboard are completely ignored by neutral editors? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Europe[edit]

Hello Robert. I'm probably not very good with this editing rules. I left some brief description for the changes I made and I thought it would be sufficient. Anyway regarding the changes, I'm standing 100% behind them. All I have changed on some articles is that I removed e.g. from article "List of European stadiums by capacity" stadiums that are not in Europe. For example there was stadium in Şanlıurfa, Turkey which near border with Syria. My point is if the title says European there is no place for this e.g this stadium on the list. This is nonsense and completely non logical. Like if someone put "Parc des Princes", Paris on the list of North American list just because France has some territories in North America (St.Pierre and Miquelon). I also removed non European countries from various articles that deals with Europe. No matter what some people wish: Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are Asian transcontinental states with small percentage(<3%) of its territories in Europe. Armenia and Cyprus are countries that are completely situated in Asia. Of course, they have strong connections with Europe but also United States has it, but no one will put U.S.A. in e.g article that lists states with their capitals sorted by population. This was a bit lengthy explanation, but hopefully I clarified some things about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wutholen (talkcontribs) 22:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Carr Collins, Jr. for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Carr Collins, Jr. is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carr Collins, Jr. until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. User226 (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

4 real talk i think median of medians its mine n u took it with errors[edit]

ive corected those errors on talk pages of "bfprt" median of medians 1973:wow was it b4 or after moon landing cz it looks u got some inspiration :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.118.212.93 (talk) 05:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

thank u 4 talking to me[edit]

4 a real talk also: u may keep any of my ideas if u wish... im just trying to figure it out who is actually doing this to me. i think i got dousines ideas that r both performant n original. u might b aware they rnt quite growing on yards... ok, thnx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.118.212.93 (talk) 14:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

ok, thank you 4 bringing some light about my posts or irrelevant notices however you wish to call them. it's not my intention to play extravagant or anything. i like solving "heavy" problems , some sort like some cracker analyst: im talking abt heavy math problem: i could easily switch on Rubik cube or chess mathematization attempts. please relax about that integer factorizationing: its just happening and im sorry better b more careful abt what problems ill have to think in the future, thats all. im sorry if i brought you "free" problems.you may block me from editing if you wish. there is absolutely no problem about that. i got some papers n other "projects" to play with also... bye-bye . Florin 93.118.212.93 (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Just to say supplied more quotes[edit]

Hi, you asked for refs for those quotes. I've supplied some more quotes on my talk page in case they are useful.

I doubt if any complaint about Warren's behaviour will help my situation, as I don't think there is any chance that he would stop doing it.

But perhaps it is something that needs attention,I leave it to you to decide and if there is anything I can do to help do say. Robert Walker (talk) 19:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Are these sockpuppets?[edit]

Hi, I have suspected for a while that Warren Platts and BatteryIncluded might be sock puppets. I know you can't prove it but can disprove it if they don't share an ip address, is it possible to have a go at disproving it?

Reasons for the suspicion

Do you see why i am a bit suspicious. But I also know how easily one can be mislead by patterns and coincidences and on balance think it is just a coincidence.

For instance, they don't use the same text (Create archive rather than Arhiving). To me that suggests different people. Obviously think rather similarly to each other but probably different people.

Perhaps they are pals outside of wikipedia or else Warren saw what BatteryIncluded did and copied him. But is it possible to just get it checked - probably to show that they are not sock puppets?

Robert Walker (talk) 23:02, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback: you've got messages![edit]

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Talkback[edit]

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Help[edit]

Hi, I noticed you were online. I recently created David O. Dykes and it was tagged for a speedy delete before I was finished with it. I have made big changes since then from independent verifiable sources and established credibility. It now has almost 50 references. Could you please take a look at it and tell me if I have saved it and if not what I can do. -RedRaiderApache (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I know you didn't put the tag on it. I was hoping you could take a look at it. -RedRaiderApache (talk) 15:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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Replied to your question[edit]

Sorry I don't do a lot of talking to other editors via their talk pages. Do I need to say something here?

I've answered your request for the diffs here: User_talk:Robertinventor#Posting_to_Talk_Pages

Or - perhaps I should post them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMars_sample_return_mission&diff=561730149&oldid=561689953

For this one you have to scroll down to 516 in the list of diffs http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AManned_mission_to_Mars&diff=561982672&oldid=561971091

(blanked comment here, after admin's suggestion to blank out corresponding section on my talk page)

Thanks, Robert Walker (talk) 07:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution[edit]

I am sorry about the way I behaved on the help desk.

Right now, I don't think that dispute resolution with Warren could work. Possibly after everyone has calmed down, say a couple of weeks from now, and if he is behaving in a more civil way to other editors in the project by then.

But if he starts insulting me again, I will just give up and let him win. Because once that starts, I find that I can't win, that the subject under dispute gets totally obscured by the personal allegations and trying to defend myself, and it is extremely stressful for me.

Also just want to say I have never once in the last month engaged in edit warring. I haven't even done a double revert (except at start of AfD see below). Just did BRD. When he reverses again instead of the D, then I give up on editing the article.

In the AfD when he says I blanked out the page - what actually happened is that I reverted to the last version by me before he removed most of it. He reverted that back to his version. So for the beginning of the AfD the discussion was over whether to delete and merge his version of the article, and he prevented me from making a more substantial article to discuss. I.e. the opposing editor in an edit war who wanted to delete the article was presenting his own version of the article for the AfD.

I did do a second revert there to get back to the version I was working on, since it seemed so clear that I should be able to work on my version for the AD rather than let the decision to delete be made on his version, then he reverted that. Another editor eventually stepped in with a final revert to restore the version that I was working on. That episode is what he is referring to as me blanking out his edit.

See Comment on the AfD. As I understand it, this is not enough to invalidate the AfD, which went through due process. So not attempting to do that just putting the record right about my conduct and so you can understand my frustration with the whole process of the AfD.

I have never once gone against the wikipedia rules for ettiquette. My only thing I did wrong is to write too much in my talk posts.

Right now I am taking a break from any attempt to edit Project Mars or engage in discussion on its talk pages, which is why I am posting this here, where I feel I can say something without being immediately shouted down by my opponent in the debate.

Also thanks for intervening, have seen what you did, and surely it will help in the long term if not right away.

Robert Walker (talk) 11:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Tip[edit]

If you think someone is a sock of he who shall not be named then templates and the like should be avoided. People like that thrive on attention, and shrivel on indifference. This is why I am not using tags and such, so they don't get the "trophy" or reward. If you see me or another SPI clerk reverting someone who looks familiar, you can be sure we are watching. Much of that work is done off the pages here. Dennis Brown |  | WER 23:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Have I done anything wrong?[edit]

When you say there was wrong on both sides, have I done anything wrong except to write too much in my posts? I never did any edit warring.

The only thing against wiki policy I know of is that Warren accused me of blanking out the article for the AfD, but what he said there was untrue. What I did was to revert to the last good version before the AfD and before all his edits to trim it, which was surely okay for the editor defending the AfD. He was the only editor in between apart from bots and people correcting typos.

The content I added was in good faith and started with a request, I think it was from farthered, to add material to balance the Manned mission to Mars article which was perceived as biased at the time. The article for the AfD was created after a proper discussion on the talk page for MSR missions decided in its favour.

Was there anything else?

Robert Walker (talk) 02:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Quebec (1775)[edit]

Information icon In a recent edit to the page Battle of Quebec (1775), you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you.

Just to let you know, the article does appear to be properly written in Canadian English, but because of RETAIN, not TIES. Cdtew (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Just to be clear[edit]

Thanks for your comments at talk:BP. As an active member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention your insight into Visual Editor is worthy of note and investigation. I don't know much about it. Also, my comment re:games was meant for another editor...I should have made that more clear. ```Buster Seven Talk 23:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User Advocacy[edit]

Robert, I noticed your comments the Visual Editor, QA and sound release and testing practices. You may be interested in contributing to the Wikipedia:User Advocacy effort. If you'd be willing to add your QA experience to the group, you could add your name here. Or simply contribute to the brainstorming discussion. --RA () 13:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Volunteer QA information[edit]

Robert, I saw your interest in volunteering to test VisualEditor on VPT and I'd like to hear more. Probably the best thing to do is to sign up on our (relatively new) QA mail list. There is a link to some other getting-started type information there as well.

Thanks, Cmcmahon(WMF) (talk) 00:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC) (and I am also at Chris McMahon where my official profile resides for now at least)

VisualEditor newsletter[edit]

Hey Robert McClenon! We've just deployed some fixes to the VisualEditor. These include:

  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you're looking at (bug 49943)
  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you edited last time if this is your second edit (bug 50441)
  • VE edit section links will load the latest, not original, version in diff view preview (bug 50925)
  • <big><big>Foo</big></big> and similar repeated tags will not get corrupted any more (bug 49755)

In the meantime, testing is proceeding well, and hopefully we can get some more fixes out over the next couple of days. If you're interested in helping out, we have a set of open tasks we'd really appreciate your assistance with :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:05, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR[edit]

Hi there. I'm not sure why you seem to have taken up specifying national varieties of English as a pet project, but I keep seeing your name popping up on my watchlist. In general, Manual of Style should be followed on all articles without spelling it out everywhere. It is not necessary to go around and place templates and instructions for editors to respect ENGVAR. The only time the talk page banner should be used is when there are frequent disputes or anon editors floating in constantly trying to change from British to American English or vice versa. --Laser brain (talk) 01:59, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Robert McClenon

We just deployed another VisualEditor release; bugs fixed include:

  • Firefox 13/14 has been temporarily blacklisted, to avoid the insertion of broken links [[./that look like this]] (50720)
  • Changing a reference in a template should no longer produce the bright red "you don't have a references block!" error (bugzilla:50423)
  • Notices are now shown if you're editing a protected or semi-protected page (bugzilla:50415)
  • The template inspector will no longer invite you to insert parameters that are already being used (50715)
  • Same as above, but with aliases (50717)
  • Parameter names in the template dialogue now word-wrap (50800)
  • The link inspector will not show in the top left if you hit the return key while opening it (49941)
  • Hitting return twice in the link editor will no longer introduce a new line that overwrites the link (51075)
  • Oddly-named categories no longer cause corruption (50702)
  • The toolbar no longer occasionally covers the cursor (48787)
  • Changing the formatting of text no longer occasionally scrolls you upwards (50792)

Not specific bugs, but other things; cacheing is now improved, so people should stop seeing temporary breaking when the VisualEditor updates, and RTL support has received some patches. I hope this newsletter is helpful to people; I'll send out another one with the next deployment :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:15, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Life on Wikipedia?[edit]

Just a note to say your ongoing efforts in the still-in-progress life on Mars brouhaha are much appreciated. DanHobley (talk) 02:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Robert McClenon! Another set of patches :). Today we have:

  • Required template parameters are now automatically added to new templates (50747)
  • Templates with piped links now display correctly when you alter them (50801)
  • If your edit token expires, you're now informed of it (50424).
    You still won't be able to save - that's due to be fixed on Monday :).

More on Monday, I suspect. Hope you have a good weekend :). I should also have some news about the IP launch pretty soon. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for opening the Mars RfA[edit]

Thanks. Let me know if my perspective would be helpful. beefman (talk) 17:49, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Umm, I didn't realise that there were two case requests open! It was in reference to the other request, in which it is being requested that an editor be sanctioned for things he's written on another website. Can't remember if I'm allowed just to remove the statement, so I'll add something explaining my mistake and asking everyone to ignore it. Nyttend (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Robert McClenon; hope you had a decent weekend :). We've got a pile of patches, some of which went out on Monday, some yesterday:

  • If you insert wikitext such as links or section headers, you get a notice in the top right corner (over the save button). It doesn't go away until click, though once dismissed you don't get another one that edit. (49820)
  • If your edit token expires, VE fetches a new one for you so you can save. (50424)
  • If the page is empty of content but does have something non-content (like a category or an HTML comment), VE no longer crashes on load - (50289)
  • sub tags are no longer removed ((49873)
  • If you type at the end of links, they now extend
  • Templates now only take a single click to insert
  • Clear annotations clears links (50461)
  • The link inspector stays open when you click to another item (50895)
  • Typing after multi-byte characters no longer creats pawn icons (51140)
  • Resizing thumbnails that have a default size set now works (50645)
  • References made by tag:ref now display properly (bugzilla:50978)
  • The VE is integrated with the spam blacklist (50826)
  • Feedbacl link goes to the right language (bugzilla:47730)

There are a lot more improvements coming, but that's it for Monday and Tuesday. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened[edit]

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 31, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ21 17:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined[edit]

Hello, this is a courtesy notice to inform you that the request for arbitration you filled regarding Mars has been declined to be heard by the Arbitration Committee. The Arbitrators felt that as well as there being content aspects to this dispute that tensions are begining to ease. They suggested that if issues with individual editors can be brought to easlier steps in the dispute resolution process or to ANI. Please see the Arbitrators' comments for further suggestions. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 01:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Splitting comments[edit]

It is okay to insert comments inside someone else's comments, especially if they are long and segmented, but when that is done, it is important to duplicate the other editor's signature so that everyone can see where their comments were interrupted and yours begin. You will, though, often find editors who complain about their comments being split. See Talk:Heat. Apteva (talk) 14:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Insertion[edit]

You have inserted your contribution in the middle of mine destroying the sense and removing my signature.

Will you correct this please? I am not impressed by your efforts to make me look ignorant.

Have a nice day.

--Damorbel (talk) 14:56, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Question on !vote[edit]

Hi Robert, when you !voted here, were you !voting with the understanding that the proposal was for a time-limited topic ban, or one that was not time-limited (indef)? I'm asking because in your follow-up here you suggested a two-month ban but I'm not sure if that's what you had in mind with your original !vote, or if it was something you were suggesting only in response to Qwyrxian's question. If you were thinking in your original !vote that it was to be a time-limited topic ban, where was that discussed (or implied)? Don't mean to put you on the spot but just want to avoid an unnecessary rehash of the original !vote. Thanks... Zad68 04:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Robert McClenon. The newest updates:

  • Links now don't extend over space/punctuation/workbreaks when you type (bugzilla:51463)
  • Users with the "minoredit" preference set get working functionality (bugzilla:51515)
  • You can tab to buttons in dialogs, including the save dialog (bugzilla:50047)
  • We now show the <newarticletext> (or <newarticletextanon>) message as an edit notice (bugzilla:51459)
  • You can scroll dialog panels like in transclusions' templates' parameter listings (bugzilla:51739)
  • Templates that only create meta-data and no display content at all (like Template:Use dmy dates) now can't be deleted accidentally or deliberately, but still don't show up (bugzilla:51322)
  • FlaggedRevisions integration (bugzilla:49699)
  • Edit summary will get the section title pre-added if you launched from a section edit link (bugzilla:50872)

Along with some miscellaneous language support fixes. That's all for today; as always, let us know if you spot more bugs. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:ANI[edit]

Hi, in case you don't get or ignore the notification from the new system, please note I mentioned you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Accusations at Talk:March Against Monsanto that need to be resolved. Nil Einne (talk) 06:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Metadata: another view[edit]

Hi, I've just noticed your question here [1]. Read this if you want one ex-user's view of metadata on Wikipedia. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013[edit]

It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (bug 52012http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52012), scrolling (bug 52014http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52014) and deleting (bug 52013http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52013) on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (bug 51741http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51741). Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (bug 36000http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36000). Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

  • Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
  • Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Editbeta"
  • Disabling the animation for section editing.
  • Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

As always, if you have questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 23:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Georgia (country) to Georgia move suggestion[edit]

Please comment here. Thanks. georgianJORJADZE 00:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013[edit]

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (bug 50749http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50749) or in image captions (bug 52427)http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52427). Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (bug 52159http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52159). Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (bug 51462http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51462). We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (bug 33094http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33094). You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (bug 52441http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52441). Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab and Shift+Tab key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (bug 52113http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52113).

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (bug 51565http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51565).

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Borderline BLP violation[edit]

Please be more careful in the future. "Just because he didn't kill as many people as Hitler or Pol Pot doesn't change the fact that they were all evil." That comment could be misinterpreted to say "even though he didn't kill people, he's still evil". I've redacted that as well as other comments there that could be reasonably construed as a BLP violation. ~Charmlet -talk- 02:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Please forgive this. In reading your comment, I've gotten 3 different interpretations from it. I'll assume you didn't mean it bad. I've gone ahead and fixed the mess (hopefully) by removing the comments there in whole. Too much misinterpretation possible. ~Charmlet -talk- 02:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 5[edit]

This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

RfC about "oppose" comments[edit]

I am contacting every editor who commented at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Questions about "oppose" comments in WP:RFC/Us, in case you might wish to participate in the RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Clarification of the rules. Thank you. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Evidence phase open - Manning naming dispute[edit]

Dear Robert McClenon.

This is just a quick courtesy notice. You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning naming dispute. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning naming dispute/Evidence. Please add your evidence by September 19, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning naming dispute/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Seddon talk 23:31, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013[edit]

VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: ^ Ctrl+0 sets a block as a regular paragraph; ^ Ctrl+1 up to ^ Ctrl+6 sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); ^ Ctrl+7 sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). ^ Ctrl+2, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Derry[edit]

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Be wary of this topic as it is shrouded in POV and has been abused by a number of sockpuppets, but my argument has merit, unfortunately a wikipage is only as reliable as those who watch it and in Northern Ireland politics neutral ground is hard to find, and in this case it is tilted towards an irish nationalist persuasion. But the page doesn't make sense, how can the city be Officially Londonderry in the text yet the official_name is Derry (which it isn't) as city status in the UK is granted by UK Monarch which granted Londonderry with city status.Dubs boy (talk) 15:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013[edit]

VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "Enable VisualEditor. It will not be available on talk pages and some other namespaces.".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

As you previously participated in related discussions you are invited to comment at the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC for AfC reviewer permission criteria. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Ghouta chemical attack[edit]

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Edits to Cease and desist[edit]

Many thanks for your message on my talk page. However, I believe it was unnecessary to use a standardized template to express your disagreement with my edits. The essay WP:DTR explains why. Furthermore, you wrote:

"Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Cease and desist, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary."

With all due respect, I did provide clear edit summaries, see here and here. It seems that perhaps you might not have seen these edit summaries. I think that it is better to have no information, than to have information with no sources, as now explained on the talk page, here. Cheers, --Edcolins (talk) 21:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Iran–Iraq War[edit]

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Duplication Detector[edit]

I'm sure you probably found this already, but I saw your question at the helpdesk unanswered. The page about the Duplication Detector is here WP:dupdet and there's contact details for a user to ask questions to. Regards, CaptRik (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Requesting help with Verizon Communications article[edit]

Hello Robert McClenon, I'm reaching out to you because you previously helped with the archiving of the Talk page for Verizon Communications. I'm wondering if you might help me out with another thing on that article. I've drafted some new language about Verizon's products and services that I think should be incorporated into the article. If you have time, could you take a look at the language that I've proposed and incorporate it into the article if it looks okay? Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 18:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, thanks for your help on this! I just left a note over at Talk:Verizon Communications about a few outstanding issues, though. If you have time, do you think you could take a look at the remaining things? Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 23:16, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Robert, Thanks again for your help at Verizon Communications. Just wanted to let you know that I posted another follow-up note over at Talk:Verizon Communications about the new "Lines of business" section, in case you hadn't seen. If you have time, do you think you could take a look? Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 15:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey Robert, I replied over at Talk:Verizon Communications, but I was wondering if you'd be willing to go ahead and delete the "Copper-wire removal" section under "Controversies", now that it's discussed in context. Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 19:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey again, I just wanted to follow up here and see if you thought you'd have time to delete this section. If you're busy, I'm happy to reach out to other editors as well. Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 14:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Drafts namespace proposal[edit]

You opposed creating the Drafts namespace because of the restrictions that might be applied to Userspace. We've now changed the proposal to remove all references to changing userspace and indeed we now explicitly allow userspace drafts in the proposal.

Would you perhaps take a look at the current language and see if it satisfies your worries? I think most of us sincerely y don't want to interfere with the status quo of userspace at all, we just make life easier for those users, generally new ones, who need to work with experienced editors in a shared space-- users who actively need and want help with their drafts and are putting out the call that they don't own in it the way we own userspace drafts.

If you aren't the kind of user who needs a collaborative draft space, then your Wikipedia experience should be unaffected-- that's the idea as I see it anyway. --HectorMoffet (talk) 19:02, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

New section on the Anime and Manga RfC[edit]

Hello there. Since the Anime and Manga RfC seems to have developed a consensus for the "It depends on notability and uniqueness of each adaptation", I have started a thread to see if we can offer metrics or further guidance for such case by case... erm... cases. I have no idea if such a thing is even possible to draft up, but since having it might help, I figured I'd try. The thread is HERE, and as a previous participant in the RfC I wanted to let you know about it using this overly long, rambling message. Cheers, Sven Manguard Wha? 16:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For telling it like it is. AutomaticStrikeout () 20:12, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Philippine Military Academy[edit]

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VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed. The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
  • Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
  • Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
  • File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
  • Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the Shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
  • Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
  • Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
  • Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through /wiki/Foobar?veaction=edit and /w/index.php?title=Foobar&veaction=edit both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
  • Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
  • Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
  • Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
  • Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and Mediawiki.org. It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
  • Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
  • Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching Wikipedia:TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
  • Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
  • Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ($wgVisualEditorParsoidForwardCookies set to true) (bug 44483). (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead:

  • VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
  • Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
  • In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done. Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Liao Dynasty[edit]

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Request for outside perspective on two sites...[edit]

...asking since in addition to other matters, you have expressed an interest in the importance of referencing standards, and have offered edits in the hard sciences. The articles are: Species and Steroid, both ranked as important in their respective projects. Cheers, look forward to a response there, or here if you have a perspective to offer. Lengthy or brief as you wish. Cheers. Leprof 7272 (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I do not routinely log, and what you have picked up on is an IP for one of my work locations. But the controlling editors at both sites (see more below) both know me—have had access to this User information, and know my expertise/professional intel (PhD chemist, former pharma, current univ). (Earlier stalking/outing of my university information by an editor here, with an earlier login, keeps me out of many normal Wikipedia programs and activities.)
By way of further introduction, see Bürgi–Dunitz angle, an article I turned around and am about to bring to properly formatted Wikipedia status, and see biomimetic synthesis, a stub I have just begun. I am also completing a long Bio of David A. Evans at Harvard. All are representative of what I believe is a reasonable reliance on the literature, though none are yet good encycl articles (sound drafts, only).
In closing, my desires are not to persuade, but to be guided what to do at these two sites, and to have a framework so I do not anger other editors in the future.
Answer however you see fit, here or at mine. Collapse this if you wish. Leprof 7272 (talk) 01:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Responding to your reply at my talk, here, hopefully to make it easier on you... Your point about about my Talk entries being too long is well taken. First posts in each thread are fairly short. Point-by-point rebuttals of argument and replies to queries asking examples add to reply length. As do disagreements about meaning/application of WP policy. (When a matter moves to content and policy, discussions get long. I'm not good at arguing WP shorthands.) And, honestly, the exasperation at being unable to effect change adds to length, through repetition, etc.
So, you do conclude that large blocks without citation in these science texts are content and not WP interpretation/application issues? If so, this leaves me without hope, here. I believed from those Talk discussions that we were at a point where the issue was, substantially, differences in WP interpretation. Hence, the request of your opinion.
As for adding a "Request for Comments" at Species... I'm less concerned about specific answers at these two articles, than for the general guidance asked. Moreover, the 3-4 RfC processes I have witnessed seemed one-sided, involving very interested individuals (rather than more distant, objective inputs). (All were dense with the status quo editor's network of friends, so in all the status quo was unchanged. How this comes to pass, you'd understand better than I.) More power to you if you decide to post a Request at Species or Steroids. Perhaps you have the respect/prestige to make such a course productive. Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:12, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

In regards to the ANI you created out of concern that User: 78.156.109.166 was "a troll", I wanted to advise you that there appears to be more to this matter than simple trolling. His last half dozen talk page edits have been administratively removed, his talk page access blocked, and the matter is now being handled by the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm not sure if you plan to comment on your ANI any further, but I think it best if you just let it "die out" (become archived due to inactivity / lack of comment). If you have any further concerns, I suggest you bring them here, to the talk page of the admin handling the matter. Thanks - theWOLFchild 17:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved. This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation. Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings). If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use ^ Control+ Shift+V or Command+ Shift+V (Mac).
  • Auto-numbered external links like [2] can now be edited just like any other link. However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
  • Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here. The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified. If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
  • There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters. Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
  • Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
  • It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally.  To do so, append ?veaction=edit to the end of the page name.  For example, change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random?veaction=edit to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.

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Please comment on Talk:List of topics characterized as pseudoscience[edit]

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Thanks[edit]

Thank you very much for your arbitration without arbitration. (If you are actually asking for the editors who deleted your articles to be blocked or banned, you may be assured that that will not happen.) Sir it is not my intention. However, I have two questions: (i) I could not understand which type of published material is acceptable for editing an article (2) If there are no abusive contents, is it appropriate to delete the article summarily?

Further please note I do not want restoration of my deleted article. It is my pleasure that I am talking to a Scientist, in this manner you are much more superior to me. Nannadeem (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Sasanian Empire[edit]

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Gun control arbitration case notice[edit]

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control/Evidence. Please add your evidence by January 19, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Bbb23 (talk) 19:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you ...[edit]

... for your thoughtful reply to my earlier questions. I was called away in December on personal matters, and am returning to work tomorrow. I will respond more fully to your replies soon. Cheers, and happy holidays. LeProf

Gun control workshop statement[edit]

You wrote: "Articles concerning control, broadly defined, are placed under standard Discretionary sanctions." At least, that is how it appears on the screen. I see that you wrote the word "gun" in the "code" (or whatever the correct term is), but because of the way you did the link, the word "gun" is not visible. Is that what you meant to do? Neutron (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

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Please comment on Talk:International Lyme And Associated Diseases Society[edit]

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MilesMoney is community banned[edit]

Which means he is quite unlikely to respond regarding the Austrian Economics issues. Collect (talk) 01:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics opened[edit]

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Content issue; criticisms of relativity; dispute resolution[edit]

Hi, You asked in my "help desk" entry if it was a content dispute, but my plea for help was shut down before I could answer, just as the dispute resolution process was shut down without resolution. Yes, my efforts to edit were about content, though Paradoctor and DVdm insisted on making it about me, as a full-on ad hominem attack full of insults about my supposed ignorance. True ignorance is believing that a 20 foot pole will fit into a 10 foot barn, based on relativity's version of idealism in denial of realism*... *that physical objects do not physically shrink due to the frame of reference from which they are observed. (It is not about "rotation," as as the supposed "shrinkage" is in the direction of travel of either the observer or the object. I asked that the word "apparent" be included in the length contraction article distinguishing apparent contraction from physical contraction. Even that minimal "disambiguation" was not allowed, because mainstream SR insists that there is no difference between physical and apparent contraction. I don't know where to take it from here. Any suggestions? If so, thanks ahead. LCcritic (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Robert Spitzer (political scientist)[edit]

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Please see[edit]

User:Smallbones/Questions on FTC rules Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:16, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

perhaps you might want to read [my comments on the relevant talk page [3] DGG ( talk ) 18:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Apparent vs physical re length contraction IS a content dispute[edit]

The section title says it. I was not allowed to put the word "apparent" in the length contraction article lead. More generally, the widespread criticism of relativity that there is a more or less stable (unchanging) physical world even as observations and measurements of given parts thereof would vary drastically with frame of reference according to relativity theory. This realism vs idealism philosophical criticism is not allowed, because all who so criticize are called "fringe," "cranks," "not mainstream," etc. LCcritic (talk) 20:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

So, you were supposed to be on the board for conflict resolution pertaining to content. Yet you will not respond to my above appeal. Apparent vs physical is a content issue vis-a-vis length contraction. The encyclopedia should clarify whether special relativity claims that physical objects shrink or whether it is just a frame/observer-dependent phenomenon. This is about disambiguation for clarity of presentation for the benefit of the Wiki reader seeking to understand SR. Please address the issue for the sake of clarityLCcritic (talk) 08:08, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion for Kentaro Sato[edit]

Greetings: I'm the nominator for deletion of article Kentaro Sato. My reasons for doing so were stated at this page which you have visited and where you have cast a vote favoring deletion. I felt it was my responsibility to make sure we don't delete a valuable WP article if there is any chance the subject is notable. So I carried out a quick web search and collected what I've found at the article's talk page. Since you have taken part and voted in the recent process could you take a look at the data I've gathered and let me know what you think and if that changes your position. I appreciate your help. Thanks. Contact Basemetal here 05:43, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Discretionary sanctions[edit]

Before you comment further at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions/2013 review you should be aware that two users who commented on the thread where you commented have just been blocked. [4][5] Cheers, —Neotarf (talk) 07:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you - from N4[edit]

Brownie transparent.png Thank you for your help with the RfC! N4 (talk) 03:19, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of countries where Arabic is an official language[edit]

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Rfc against me[edit]

Thanks for taking the time to comment on the Rfc against me. I think your comments are broadly fair.

Given the seriousness of the allegation made against me, I think its fair to point out a couple of things for clarity.

I have not asked anyone to change their username or signature. The suggestion that FIM's username might be hubristic did not come from me but from someone else. I had not even considered it (had I, I'd probably agree with your reading of it). I have not launched an Rfc against anyone for any reason either now or in the past.

More seriously, I have been accused of changing my signature to something overtly misogynistic as a direct personal attack on two female users with whom I have a disagreement. That is a demonstrably false, deeply hurtful and potentially very damaging accusation. Many of my personal and professional contacts are aware of my contributions on Wikipedia and this accusation, were it to go unanswered might escape into the outside world with very real consequenses for me and my family.

My sig may well be puerile and silly, but it is entirely innocent of any malice towards anyone. Devils In Skirts! (talk) 08:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Your comment against me at WP:AN/ANI[edit]

"he used two more chances to spit at the community." Absolute bull. Demagogue much? I never socked at all. Everybody knows a sock is an undisclosed alternate account used in a deceptive manner. I never did that. When even my talkpage was cut off to me, most recently on a transparently false charge of WP:CANVASSING when anybody who reads that policy and compares it to my actions sees there's no violation, I block evaded via raw IP clearly identifying my account. That's not socking. It's a perversion of language to say that that is socking. I can guess you can place made-up characterizations at the RFC/U that I have a "primary account" and "alternate account" when I consistently and honestly report from edit #1 that I am a single account user that abandoned a single prior account for privacy reasons. But you really go too far with this disgusting and manipulative "spit at the community" demagoguery. Save it for when you run for political office, would you? This is Colton Cosmic.

He does have a point he is block evading. Also you are wasting your time with a SPI. Checkuser's will not connect an IP to a named account and they will block the ip whereupon CC will get a new IP. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Soviet Union[edit]

Robert, what's going on? Why do you insist on misrepresenting my argument [6], even after I had explained my position to you[7]? --Nug (talk) 10:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Some more help on Verizon Communications?[edit]

Hi Robert McClenon, I'm hoping you might be able to help me with another edit to the Verizon Communications article. This is quite a big edit, in that I've redrafted the "History" section of the article. I've posted a note over at Talk:Verizon Communications with some comments about what I've done in my new draft, which you can find in my userspace. If you have time, do you think you might be able to take a look and see about moving this new "History" section into the article?

Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 17:47, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Robert McClenon, I'm following up with you to see if you think you might be able to help with looking at this draft and placing it? I realize it's quite long, and I'm happy to work through it section by section if that seems easier to you.

Thanks so much, VZBob (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

This has been done. VZBob (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics[edit]

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Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3[edit]

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:16, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Why so unresponsive?[edit]

Hello Robert, since you ended my recent ANI request and then took the discussion to my talk page, i wonder why you do not respond to my questions there? Prokaryotes (talk) 00:57, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (bug 54361http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54361).
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the ^ Ctrl+ Alt+S or  Command+ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Supreme Council of Crimea[edit]

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AfD[edit]

Hi Robert. Prehaps you'd like to also nominate the following for deletion too:

Modern pentathletes[edit]

1912

Edmond Bernhardt, Theodor Zeilau, Johannes Ussing, Vilhelm Laybourn, Kai Jølver, Carl Pauen, Ralph Clilverd, Henrik Norby, Carl Aejemelaeus, Weli Hohenthal, Aarno Almqvist, Oskar Wilkman

1920

Johan Skjoldager, Harry Bjørnholm, Ejner Augsburg, Jean Mondielli, Henri Candelon, René Foucher, Georges Brulé, Edward Gedge, Edward Clarke (pentathlete), Adriano Lanza, Arne Tellefsen, Bengt Uggla, Erik de Laval

1924

Jules Hulsmans, Jacques De Wykerslooth De Rooyesteyn, J. L. M. Van Loocke, Léopold Buffin de Chosal, Jindřich Lepiere, Karel Tůma, Marius Christensen, Emil Hagelberg, Guillaume de Tournemire, René Dignon, Ivan Duranthon, Frederick Barton (pentathlete), George Vokins, Gaspare Pasta, Giuseppe Micheli, Ernesto Corradi, Omero Chiesa, Barent Momma, Carolus Stoffels, Leif Knudtzon, Olliver Smith, Carl Årmann, Frederick Pitts, Don Scott (athlete), George Bare

1928

Charles Cumont, Charles Vannerom, Édouard Écuyer de le Court, Kamil Gampe, Josef Schejbal, Rudolf Růžička, Otto Olsen (pentathlete), Helge Jensen, Tauno Lampola, Henrik Avellan, André Crémon, Pierre Coche, Charles-Jean LeVavasseur, Hermann Hölter, Helmuth Kahl, Lance East, Alfred Goodwin (pentathlete), David Turquand-Young, Tivadar Filótás, Carlo Simonetti, Luigi Petrillo, Eugenio Pagnini, Tjeerd Pasma, Willem van Rhijn, Christiaan Tonnet, Franciszek Koprowski, Stefan Szelestowski, Zenon Małłysko, Ingvar Berg, Richard Mayo (pentathlete)

1932

Helmuth Naudé, Konrad Miersch, Willi Remer, Jeffrey MacDougall, Vernon Barlow, Percy Legard, Francesco Pacini, Humberto Anguiano, José Morales (pentathlete), Miguel Ortega, Rafael Afonso de Sousa, Clayton Mansfield, Brookner Brady

1936

Alfred Guth, Jan Scheere, Raoul Mollet, Anísio da Rocha, Rui Duarte (pentathlete), Guilherme Catramby Filho, Ukko Hietala, Aaro Kiviperä, Paul Lavanga, Béchir Bouazzat, André Chrétien, Herbert Bramfeld, Hermann Lemp (pentathlete), Archibald Jack (pentathlete), Alexandros Baltatzis-Mavrokorlatis, Lajos von Sipeki-von Balás, Nándor von Orbán, Franco Orgera, Ugo Ceccarelli, Luis Casíllas, Johannes van der Horst, Josephus Serré, Alexander van Geen, José Escribens, Ebbe Gyllenstierna, Georg von Boisman, Willy Grundbacher, Karl Wyss, Alfred Starbird

1948

Horacio Siburu, Augusto Premoli, Enrique Wirth, Charles Vyt, Louis Fauconnier, Humberto Bedford, Aloysio Borges, Aëcio Coelho, Hernán Fuentes, Nilo Floody, Otto Jemelka, Christian Palant, Louis Pichon, André Lacroix (pentathlete), Geoffrey Brooke, Jack Lumsden, Albert Martin (pentathlete), László Karácson, Frigyes Hegedűs, Duilio Brignetti, Roberto Curcio, Giulio Palmonella, Ricardo García (pentathlete), Alejandro Quiroz, Manuel Bernabeu, José Luis Riera, Alberto Moreiras (pentathlete), Sune Wehlin, Werner Schmid, Franz Hegner, Bruno Riem, Hale Baugh, Richard Gruenther, Ruben Orozco, Carlos Mercader, Alberto Ortíz

1952

Olavi Rokka, Jorge Cáceres (pentathlete), Carlos Velázquez (pentathlete), Luis Ribera, Francis Plumerel, Eric Marques, Eduardo de Medeiros, Luis Carmona, Bertrand de Montaudoin, Adolf Harder, Dietloff Kapp, Berthold Slupik, Jervis Percy, John Hewitt (pentathlete), Leon Lumsdaine, Alfonso Marotta, David Romero (pentathlete), António Jonet, José Pereira (pentathlete), Ricardo Durão, Harry Schmidt (pentathlete), Aleksandr Dekhayev, Pavel Rakityansky, Erhard Minder, Werner Vetterli, Guy Troy, Thad McArthur, Frederick Denman, Lem Martínez, Américo González (pentathlete)

1956

George Nicoll, Sven Coomer, Neville Sayers, Nilo da Silva, Wenceslau Malta, Salvio Lemos, Héctor Carmona, Gerardo Cortes, Sr., Vladimír Černý, Jean-Claude Hamel (pentathlete), George Norman (pentathlete), Thomas Hudson (pentathlete), Donald Cobley, Antal Moldrich, János Bódy, Adriano Facchini (pentathlete), Victor Teodorescu, Dumitru Ţintea, Cornel Vena, Marthinus du Plessis, Okkie van Greunen, Björn Thofelt

1960

Raúl Bauza, Carlos Stricker, Hugh Doherty (pentathlete), Arsène Pint, José Wilson, Justo Botelho, Benny Schmidt, Eero Lohi, Étienne Jalenques, Christian Beauvalet, André Bernard (pentathlete), Dieter Krickow, Wolfgang Gödicke, Peter Little (pentathlete), Patrick Harvey (pentathlete), Giulio Giunta, Gaetano Scala, Shigeaki Uchino, Kazuhiro Tanaka (pentathlete), Naji El-Mekki, Mohamed Ben Checkroun, Kazimierz Mazur, Kazimierz Paszkiewicz, Stanisław Przybylski, Fernando Irayzoz, Joaquín Villalba, Sture Ericson (pentathlete), Per-Erik Ritzén, Rolf Weber, Ahmed Ennachi, Habib Ben Azzabi, Lakdar Bouzid

1964

Donald McMiken, Jorma Hotanen, Kari Kaaja, Keijo Vanhala, Elmar Frings, Uwe Adler, Robert Phelps (pentathlete), Benjamin Finnis, Alfonso Ottaviani, Shigeki Mino, Yoshihide Fukutome, Enrique Padilla (pentathlete), Eduardo Florez, Choi Gwi-Seung, Rolf Junefelt, Bo Jansson

1968

Wolfgang Leu, Siegfried Springer, Wolf-Dietrich Sonnleitner, Ivan Apostolov (pentathlete), Konstantin Sardzhev, Antoni Panyovski, Pavel Kupka, Jørn Steffensen, Wolfgang Lüderitz, Jörg Tscherner, Karl-Heinz Kutschke, Seppo Aho, Barry Lillywhite, Nicolo Deligia, Giancarlo Morresi, Mario Medda, Toshio Fukui, Katsuaki Tashiro, Yuso Makihira, Eduardo Tovar, Eduardo Olivera, Alex Tschui , Tom Lough, Hans Jürgen Todt, Heiner Thade

1972

Robert Barrie (pentathlete), Bruno Jerebicnik, Angel Pepelyankov, Velko Bratanov, Georgi Stoyanov (pentathlete), George Skene (pentathlete), Kenneth Maaten, Scott Scheuermann, René Heitmann, Klaus Petersen, Michel Gueguen, Giovanni Perugini, Akira Kubo (pentathlete), Masaru Sakano, Juan José Castilla, Gilberto Toledano, Henk Krediet, Rob Vonk, Jan Bekkenk, Stanisław Skwira, Ryszard Wach, Adalbert Covacs, Marian Cosmescu, Dumitru Spîrlea, Beat Ganz, Urs Hugi, Scott Taylor (pentathlete), Charles Richards (pentathlete), Hole Rößler, Walter Esser

1976

Peter Ridgway (pentathlete), Nikolay Nikolov (pentathlete), Stoyan Zlatev, Jack Alexander, John Hawes (pentathlete), Claude Guiguet, Alain Cortes, Hiroyuki Kawazoe, Shoji Uchida, Krzysztof Trybusiewicz, Boris Mosolov, Gunnar Jacobson, Bengt Lager, Hans Lager, Serge Bindy, Robert Nieman, Michael Burley, Wolfgang Köpcke, Gerhard Werner (pentathlete)

1980

Helmut Wieser, Alexander Topay, Borislav Batikov, Simeon Monev, Milan Kadlec (pentathlete), Pekka Santanen, Nigel Clark (pentathlete), Peter Whiteside, Mark Hartigan (pentathlete), Sackville Currie, Jerome Hartigan, Jens Lohmann, Ivar Sisniega, Marek Bajan, Jan Olesiński, Cezar Răducanu, Gyula Galovici, Manuel Montesinos, José Serrano (pentathlete), Federico Galera (pentathlete)

1984

Daniel Esposito, Matthew Spies, Alex Watson (pentathlete), Horst Stocker (pentathlete), Ingo Peirits, Michael Billwein, Nabeel Saleh Mubarak, Abdul Rahman Jassim, Saleh Sultan Faraj, Chen Kung-Liang, Ahmed Nasser (pentathlete), Samy Awad, Ihab El-Lebedy, Jorma Korpela, Pasi Hulkkonen, Stephen Sowerby, Michael Mumford, Daizou Araki, Marcelo Hoyo, Alejandro Yrizar, Luís Monteiro, Gang Gyeong-Hyo, Kim Il (pentathlete), Jeong Gyeong-Hun, Eduardo Burguete, Jorge Quesada, Roderick Martin, Martin Lamprecht, Peter Minder, Peter Steinmann, Andy Jung, Christian Sandow, Michael Rehbein, Achim Bellmann

1988

Helmut Spannagl, Barry Kennedy, Nicholas Fekete, Lawrence Keyte, Gerardo Cortes, Jr., Ricardo Falconi, Julio Fuentes (pentathlete), Chuang Tang-Fa, Li King-Ho, Jiří Prokopius, Tomáš Fleissner, Tue Hellstem, Moustafa Adam, Ayman Mahmoud, Mohamed Abdou El-Souad, Bruno Génard, Christophe Ruer, Hiroaki Izumikawa, Tadafumi Miwa, Hiroshi Saito (pentathlete), Wiesław Chmielewski, Zhang Bin (pentathlete), Kim Seong-Ho, Kim Myung-Kun, Anatoly Avdeyev, German Yuferov, Leopoldo Centeno‎, Jan-Erik Danielsson‎, Peter Burger‎, Michael Gostigian‎, Alejandro Michelena‎, Dirk Knappheide‎, Michael Zimmermann‎, Marcus Marsollek‎

1992

Colin Hamilton‎, Gavin Lackey‎, Valentin Dzhavelkov‎, Stefan Asenov‎, Ian Soellner‎, Petr Blažek‎, Sherif El-Erian‎, Imre Tiidemann‎, Sébastien Deleigne‎, Pawel Olszewski (pentathlete)‎, Ulrich Czermak‎, Alexandros Nikolopoulos (pentathlete)‎, Attila Kálnoki Kis‎, Hiroshi Miyagahara‎, Vjačeslavs Duhanovs‎, Staņislavs Dobrotvorskis‎, Kirils Medjancevs‎, Tomas Narkus‎, Vladimiras Močialovas‎, Gintaras Staškevičius‎, Alberto Félix‎, Iván Ortega‎, Luis Alberto Urteaga‎, Marian Gheorghe‎, Kim In-Ho (pentathlete)‎, Lee Yeong-Chan‎, Carles Lerín‎, Jesús Centeno‎, Per-Olov Danielsson‎, Per Nyqvist‎, Håkan Norebrink‎, James Haley (pentathlete)‎, Daniel Pereyra‎

2012

Ed Fernon, Nicola Benedetti (pentathlete), Riccardo De Luca, Shinichi Tomii, Dennis Bowsher, Stefan Köllner, Steffen Gebhardt, Christopher Patte, Amro El Geziry, Wang Guan, Andrei Gheorghe, Szymon Staśkiewicz, Pavlo Tymoshchenko, Rustim Sabirkhouzine

All the best. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Chortle. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Euromaidan[edit]

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regarding Dari vs. King Darius[edit]

Please see Dari (Persian dialect). What the IP writes is pure nonsense. Regards. --Lysozym (talk) 14:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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