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You has done well.[edit]

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Nice job, those minor edits look nice, especially those redirects! — Soxred93 has a boring sig 19:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Bill Evans Dance[edit]

I see that you started Bill Evans Dance, but it got speedy-deleted? I'm not even a big dance buff and I know Evans' work. Certainly deserves an article. Being an admin, I took a look at the deleted article, and I can see why it got deleted: nothing there indicated why Evans or his troupe are notable. I strongly encourage you to try doing an article on them again, but one that give people a clue why they would care. If you want a copy of your previous, deleted text, let me know.Jmabel | Talk 05:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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(emphasis added)Robert Greer 22:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ballet Talk[edit]

Unrelated question: to you happen to participate in Ballet Talk? — Jmabel | Talk 05:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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I was unaware of its existence; thank you for the tip! — Robert Greer 17:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

American Music Festival ballets and Wikitable[edit]

Thank you! — Robert Greer 19:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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PS Is there a 'bot, macro or other tool available to "Wikitabulate" existing information currently present in columns? — Robert Greer 19:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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You could check out the pages listed at Help:Table#External links - most of those look like table generation tools. — ukexpat (talk) 19:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you, again! — Robert Greer 19:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Concerto Barocco[edit]

Just thought I'd pop by and say I saw Concerto Barocco when patrolling Special:Newpages; it's an excellent article :). Always nice to see quality work when I'm bumbling along.

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Thank you so much! — Robert Greer 00:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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Eva Evdokimova, prima ballerina assoluta[edit]

I'm puzzled by the inclusion of Eva Evdokimova in Prima ballerina assoluta, awarded in 1976 in the US. What is your take on this? — Robert Greer (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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Slightly bemused by the lack of information about Evdokimova. It would seem to me that she is undoubtedly recognised as PBA, but the exact details seem to have been lost. One reference I found suggests that Dudinskaya 'announced' her to be a PBA after her guest appearances with the Kirov, with the Berlin Senate giving 'official' approval for the title shortly after. However other sources suggest that the Berlin Senate only announced her as Prima Ballerina of the Berlin ballet, so it's which version of events is correct. For me the former seems to be the most likely, as I strongly doubt that the Berlin Senate would involve themselves in the promotion of a dancer to the rank of Prima Ballerina. That is a ballet company issue, but it would certainly make sense for the senate to official sanction the use of the PBA title don't you think? Perhaps you can have a dig round for more information on this, if anything accurate exists... we all know how good the ballet world is at distorting the truth though poor record keeping. Crazy-dancing (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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I remain deeply skeptical about Evdokimova being an assoluta. Her obit. in the NY Times (Jennifer Dunning, April 6, 2009) says she was a prima ballerina but makes no mention of being a prima ballerina assoluta. The Berliner Morgenposten, April 5, 2009, reads, "Es war, als tanze sie stets in den Himmel hinauf. Eva Evdokimova war viele Jahre lang, von 1973 bis 1985, die Primaballerina wahrhaft assoluta der Deutschen Oper in der Bismarckstraße," which may be a statement of fact or a panegyric.

The Guardian, April 8, 2009, says, "Evdokimova decided to join the Deutsche Oper in Berlin in 1969 ... She stayed on in Berlin until 1985 (as prima ballerina from 1973)" [emphasis added]. Playbill writes, "I have programs that list Evdokimova as "prima ballerina assoluta" and there are several reliable sources that say she was given the title by the Kirov's ballet mistress Dudinskaya." What I can find are:

  1. The Times "Eva Evdokimova: prima ballerina assoluta", April 18, 2009
  2. Dance Magazine, December 2005, interview
  3. Ballet Arts bio.
  4. Oxford Dictionary of Dance entry
  5. Find a Grave entry
  6. People, January 11, 1988, Vol. 29, No. 1

I can only access the London Times' headline (and 32 words from the article).

Dance Magazine quotes her as saying, "'Prima ballerina assoluta' is a title reserved for ballerinas who perform the major classical roles and are internationally recognized in those roles. I was given this status by Natalia Dudinskaya and the vote of the Berlin Senate when I joined the Deutsche Oper Ballet in West Berlin," but what Playbill wrote implies that this was at the Kirov [emphasis added].

The Ballet Arts website states that, "She has appeared as Prima Ballerina Assoluta with American Ballet Theater, Kirov Ballet, La Scala Milano, National Ballet of Canada, National Ballet of Cuba, Paris Opera Ballet, Stuttgart Ballet and Tokyo Ballet.... She later joined the Ballet of the Deutsche Oper, Berlin, where she was quickly promoted to Prima Ballerina Assoluta. At the invitation of Natalya Dudinskaya, she joined the Kirov Ballet as a solist" [emphasis added].

She was apparently a solist at the Kirov — and assuredly not an assoluta at ABT, La Scala, the Paris Opera, Stuttgart and Tokyo Ballets and the National Ballets of Canada and Cuba — that would have been news to Alicia Alonso! I do not mean to disparage Evdokimova, but in the absence of a credible source for the Berlin senate decree this is very hard to buy. — Robert Greer (talk) 02:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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I have e-mail from an expert who has a collection of dance memorabilia which may include materials to back up Evdokimova being an assoluta (he casts doubt, however, on Alicia Markova being one!) — Robert Greer (talk) 21:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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There is no question on Markova... I don't know as there will be any evidence of a 'formal' recognition, as with Fonteyn, but look at any material from English National Ballet; they style her as their company Assoluta and that's satisfactory to me. She is also included in a book of PBAs published by Hephaestus Books, not that I've read it, but she is listed on the content description. In traditional ballet terms, PBA is a title bestowed by your balletic peers, not by kings or presidents, and the Russians are entirely to blame for confusing that. This is why the French still use the PBA equivalent "Etoile" as an active rank, with lesser dancers being titled "premier danseur" or principal dancer to you and I. The Italians do the same, and are perhaps even more selective than the French when it comes to promoting people to the rank of Etoile. I realise you know all of this, but it helps to remind ourselves of the origin of the title I suppose, otherwise we forget that there actually is no universal definition of what is a PBA. As for Evdokimova, it certainly seemed to me that the title was without question, but as with so many things in ballet, the story of how she came by it has been confused by people jumbling up her history. Crazy-dancing (talk) 02:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations[edit]

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Prince Hall[edit]

Per this, I don't care where the quote comes from, because this is not a literary exercise. That statement refers to the practice of a regulation, and if that statement is not backed up by fact (and it is not, as it is uncited), then it is an opinion, regardless of the source of the language. If it is an uncited opinion, it is an editorial comment. Editorial comments are not permissible. MSJapan (talk) 01:09, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Renamed cat[edit]

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