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Article rewritten[edit]

Hello, Ron. You deleted All-Women Ultra Marathon because it was a copyright infringement of . This is my fault, since I should have checked more carefully and rewritten or removed the copyright text before adding to it. I have created a new draft about this topic at User:Anne Delong/All-Women Ultra Marathon. Since all of the text in the deleted article, other than that which was written by me, was a copyright infringement, there should be no need for attribution to anyone else. If you agree that the draft is no longer an infringement, I will move it to All-Women Ultra Marathon to replace the deleted article. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Looks fine to me - no significant match. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Great. It's in mainspace now. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Article Deletion[edit]

Hi Ronhjones . If you recall, we had the VPIN article nominated for speedy deletion, and after one week nobody opposed. Then it was moved to AfP, and here is the conclusion: VPIN. Do you think we can delete it now? One of the editors has resumed his personal attacks... Thanks!! Fkswe25 (talk) 21:32, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Check the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion - Deletion requests started on the 2nd will start to be reviewed tomorrow - it needs to be done by an uninvolved admin. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Ronhjones . Is there a way I can send you a message? I would be very grateful if you could give me some advice. Thanks! Fkswe25 (talk) 17:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Page deleted: Marco Roberto Capelli[edit]

Hi, about deletion of page Marco Roberto Capelli, it exists in Spanish version: and both the group Martiria and the Literary Magazine Progetto Babele have pages in wikipedia: (i.e - - It was also connected to several pages in the EN version:

WOuld this be enough to undelete the page? Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

It was only a PROD deletion - anyone can contest it, even after deletion - now restored. Note that the proposer can now got to WP:AfD if they wish, and also note the the criteria for inclusion in other wikis will not be the same - they have all grown with their own set of rules. Ronhjones  (Talk) 12:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice concerning File permission problem with File:Maternity by Jose F. Caro.png[edit]

Action is under way. Any reply in Neuralia talk page please. Cheers. Neuralia (talk) 15:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for advice concerning File permission problem with File:Maternity by Jose F. Caro.png Neuralia (talk) 15:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

deleted image, DC Thomson Family history HQ[edit]

Hi there, I took a photo of DC Thomson family history headquarters and it appears to have been deleted, which I'm sure is some kind of misunderstanding. The photo was given to me by the author, an employee of the company who was happy to have the image used and happy to send an email to that effect if required from a company address etc. - is there any way it can be restored or I can get him to take another one that would stay? It's definitely beneficial to the article and I want to make sure I'm doing all of this by the book. All the best Djangoinspired (talk) 16:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

When an image is already on the internet (unless that page has a Wikipedia suitable license) then it will be deleted as a copyright violation. The image was found at To use material already on the internet you need to follow one of the methods at WP:DCM Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


I noticed your reversion of EuroCarGT's edit to File:KASSMORGAN.jpg and just thought I'd point out that the uploader has uploaded a series of images, all claiming that an OTRS email has been sent, all with "available online" as the source and all licensed with {{PD-author}}. That seems a little suspicious, especially when they're not all related. According to the EXIF data for File:KASSMORGAN.jpg, Julie Millet is the author, not Kass Morgan as claimed by the uploader. The complete image list is:

I've asked the uploader to add specific urls to each image, because "available online" is insufficient and to confirm that OTRS emails have been sent,[2] but he/she has gone quiet. --AussieLegend () 17:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I go though the Category:Items pending OTRS confirmation of permission for over 60 days at regular intervals - their time in the sun is always short lived if they don't get the permission sorted. I'm using the 60 days at present as we had a indexing bug at OTRS which prevented searching for urls! However the bug was fixed on Aug 18th (for new e-mails only), so I will soon be pruning down the [:[Category:Items pending OTRS confirmation of permission for over 30 days]] post Sept 18th! Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

A rare vandalism case[edit]

Do you still review the cases of vandalism and disruptive editing? There is one case on WP:AIV, please have a look. It is certainly 'rare' because disruption remains on going for months, user has returned after 3 months and renewed disruptive editing. His edits can be easily considered as vandalism. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 19:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm everywhere...:-) It's very difficult, it not vandalism as per WP:Vandalism, but it is rather disruptive. He does seem very fixed on Unique Identification Authority of India and Aadhaar. Since everybody seems to be reverting the latter back to a redirect - I think it's best we fix that as protected. He may then attack the former, but I suspect there are more people watching that page, and he will have a harder time in getting his severe POV across. If he just continues with one article - then dispute resolution may be the best way forward. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Protection seemed the best way to deal with. Hopefully, if he is going to adhere to his 1 year old editing habit, he will try importing same content on other pages, including those that had been turned into redirect. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 20:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Images of Becca[edit]

Greetings Ronhjones. Thanks for leaving the notifications on my talk page regarding File:Becca in Brazil.jpg and File:Becca at the Ovation Red Carol charity ball.jpg. The declaration of consent form was sent to OTRS on Tuesday, 8 Jul 2014 by the copyright owner whose email is: <removed> Can you please check OTRS and get back to me. Thanks. If you're not able to locate the email, I'll have to send another request to the copyright owner. For privacy purposes, can you please remove this message from your talk page once you read it. Thanks Versace1608 (Talk)

Thanks for the e-mail address - I would never have found the ticket otherwise - the e-mail just had the two images attached - no urls to use and no-one answered the reply from OTRS about where the files were. I see several approved tickets from same author so I'm happy to process them. Since the images match the uploaded ones - both images sorted. All versions of this page with e-mail address RevDeleted (you could have sent that by e-mail direct using the link on the left). Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of everything. I appreciate it. Versace1608 (Talk) 20:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
In the licensing section, it says "GFDL", but there is no template there. Could you check if this is {{GFDL}}, {{GFDL-1.2}}, {{GFDL-1.3}} or some other version? --Stefan2 (talk) 20:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I knew I'd forget something - Dual Licenses:GFDL and CC-by-sa-3.0. Something else to sort out... Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

File:BeeGFS Logo.png[edit]

Hi Ronhjones, thanks for your message regarding the above mentioned file. I have sent the document regarding license and right at the logo on July 7th to the respective email address. I assume, because the document is originally in German, there was some sort of mix-up and it wasn't associated with this file. I have sent it again just a few minutes ago, hoping it'll work this time.

Cheers, User:Tobias.goetz (T. Goetz 19:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC))

@User:Tobias.goetz. What a mess... If you write in German in often gets put into the German queue, and they really are looking at usage on de.wikipedia, not here. I found both the German one (07 Jul 2014 16:43) and the English one (10 Sept 2014 19:50). The one in German could not be read by the English readers, so they sent it to the German queue (as I guessed they would). The English one (now two I see - I've joined them together), is yet to be seen - I have added a note about the earlier German ticket number (it might cause havoc to merge these...!) and I've added the unprocessed ticket number to the file image page (and removed the speedy banner). You now have 30 days to ensure it's all OK. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:18, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
@User:Ronhjones I know right... I didn't actually write in German, but the letter that releases the license from the original creator to my company is in German (we got the logo from one of those design websites). I was checking the image page and there was the following message stated: "An email has been received by the Volunteer Response Team (OTRS) concerning this file, and can be read as ticket 2014091010021308 by users with an OTRS account. However, the message was not sufficient to confirm permission for this page/file. This may, among other reasons, be because there was no explicit release under a free license, or the email address that the permission came from is not associated with the location where the content was originally published. For an update on the issue, please contact the user who added this template to the page, or contact OTRS volunteers at their noticeboard." Can you recommend a way to deal with this situation?? Thanks. T. Goetz 21:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobias.goetz (talkcontribs)
I added the ticket number just to assist - I can't do the ticket as I never learnt German (and the attachment is in German). It's in the queue for action (there are 30 in the en-permission queue and you are about 5th - I would expect someone to look at it within a week (hopefully), but we will need a bi-lingual person to sort it out!). Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


As you asked I have emailed the permission for File:Jhbnewtown.jpg to and used guidelines on the permission letter. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kasirap (talkcontribs) 20:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Added {{OTRS pending}} for you Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Reino Aarnio images[edit]

At File:ReinoAarnio5.jpg, there is something which looks like an OTRS ticket number in the permission field, but you tagged the file with {{subst:npd}}. Is that one in some way related to the image? Should the file have some other tag, such as {{OTRS received}} or {{PermissionOTRS}} instead? Also note that the ticket number also is mentioned on some of the uploader's other images. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Someone has added that - not (I suspect) an OTRS agent. It does refer to the image, but there is no permission. I've added the correct banner. It can still go in 7 days, they have had long enough. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
The following files are mentioned in the ticket
  • 3 park.jpg , 505.3 KBytes
  • Sylvia and Reino Aarnio.jpg , 561.8 KBytes
  • 4 park.jpg , 741.3 KBytes
  • 7 park.jpg , 493.2 KBytes
  • 9 park.jpg , 683.0 KBytes
  • October 1993 Family Photo.jpg , 486.6 KBytes
  • Reino Aarnio at the drafting board New York.jpg , 1.5 MBytes
No permission for any has been granted. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
If they do ever get granted then the names of the images in the ticket (the jpgs were attached to the ticket) will have to be matched with the uploaded names...! Why change the file name before you get permission...? Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
The ticket number is mentioned on the file information page of several of the uploader's image. If you have the images in the OTRS system (and not only file names), you can probably identify the Wikipedia file names by comparing the user's uploads with the images in the OTRS ticket. However, if nothing shows up, it might not be worth the trouble to add {{OTRS received}} to them. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:18, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
If I get a minute - I'll see if they are matchable, the 7 days notice is still going to stand. I don't think the OTRS will be sorted. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Alessandro Esseno page[edit]

Hi, I'm sorry, but the composer and pianist Alessandro Esseno there are other records with other labels over her, including BMG Ariola and Rai Trade. The sources were cited. So it is not true that he has released records only with her ​​record label.. --Brainstorm76 (talk) 23:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The last person to delete that page was User:FreeRangeFrog, not myself. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

Dear Ronhjones,

Everybody knows that you are a distinguished admin, who has proven his objectivity and his steadfast adherence to wikipedia rules repeatedly. I would like your input and your expertise regarding my report here: Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom)#Vandalism, unjustified removal of reliable sources, POV editing. I believe that your input and your intervention could be crucial and enlightening. Thank you so much for your attention. With respects, Gtrbolivar (talk) 16:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:34, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I guess you deleted my photo. The note said, "A tag has been placed on File:Idea Museum logo.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted." It was actually a photo I took of the sign on their building. The screws were visible on the edges. Is that a copyright infringement? Kirs10 (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

The question of who took the image does not really matter (as a logo it was naturally a very close match to Who designed the logo? That is the person with the copyright. Taking a photo of a copyrighted image does not transfer the copyright to the photographer - it's just a derivative work - the copyright still belongs to the logo's creator - it is a 2D image, just like a painting. Normally taking an image for one's private collection is not big deal, however use at Wikipedia means that it can be re-used by anyone for any purpose including commercial use, and copyright owners are usually reluctant to give away their rights. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:30, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
You could consider using it as a non-free logo if the WP:NFCC criteria can all be satisfied. You would have to reduce to 25% both ways = 410x239 pixels to be an acceptable size for non-free. If that is possible you need a filled in WP:FURG as a description and a {{Non-free logo}} as a license. Do check similar article to see how the non-free rationale is filled in - use Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Non-free_logo to find some. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Woolwich Central Tesco.jpg[edit]

Was surprised to see this being deleted for "F4: Lack of licensing information" overnight, because I remember explicitly adding a Geograph attribution tag to it. Looking back at a cached version it's clearly presented as CC-Attribution-Sharealike 2.0 with a named photographer and a link to their Geograph page. Was it still missing something? --McGeddon (talk) 07:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Doh! Looks like that was one bad delete (out of 500 last night...). I'm still not sure why it got tagged - I see it was the automatic script, which I have not known to make mistakes before, I can only assume that the script does not recognise the geograph template you used (I think it's fairly new). Sorry for that, I've restored the image and it's article placement. I'll leave a note with the bot owner. Ronhjones  (Talk) 10:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
@User:McGeddon That Geograph template has now been added to the bots approved list. Such tagging errors should not occur again. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Good to hear it! Thanks for taking a look. --McGeddon (talk) 15:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Godwin Grech 2[edit]

Please unsalt and delete the redirect here pending acceptance of Draft:Godwin Grech and ping me when you have decided what to do in order that I may accept the draft. Fiddle Faddle 11:22, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Ronhjones  (Talk) 12:53, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
For which kindness, much thanks. The article will now stand or fall on its own merits. Fiddle Faddle 13:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Ronhjones for your help. I can definitely say Godwin Grech has been a learning experience for me so far, let's see what the next step is.Clare. (talk) 13:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Jude Anthany Joseph.jpg[edit]

Hi Ronhjones, The image which has been deleted "Jude Anthany Joseph.jpg" in has been provided by the owner in an email with permissions and i had forwarded that email to on March 2014 itself.

Jibin net (talk) 15:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)jibin_net

The image was deleted as no OTRS ticket had been added to the image during the 60+ days that the OTRS pending notice had been up (should only take 30 days at best). Did OTRS reply to your e-mail? If so there would be a ticket number in the subject line. Due to a search bug in OTRS since the last upgrade (now fixed for new e-mails), I cannot search for any word >30 characters, which means cannot search for urls! Please e-mail me (link in toolbox on the left) your e-mail address you used and I can try to search OTRS for it. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I've eventually found the ticket (2014032810002128) - they replied to you (16/04/2014 22:24 - insufficient permission) - if you did not receive it, I can re-send it. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

File un-delete request[edit]

Hi there. Today, you deleted File:Youth Olympic Games 2018 Logo.png, because it was an unused non-free file. However, it was only unused because someone uploaded a version to Commons and used that in the original file's place. When the Commons file was inevitably deleted for being non-free, the page became logo-less. Could you un-delete the original if at all possible? Cheers, Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 15:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

@User:Malpass93 It was deleted as "unused" - all non free images must be on at least one page or they will be deleted 7 days later. Options...
  1. I could undelete for now and re-tag with a new "unused" banner - gives you 7 days to sort out the image's placement, but you will never be the creator, so any new delete notices will still go to User:Iehutin as the person who uploaded the image - who is not around anymore.
  2. You could e-mail me (link in tools on left of this page) and I will send you back the image and the page data - you could then upload with the basic upload form in one go and become the "creator" - attribution don't matter as it's non-free.
Let me know which option you want to do. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Option No.1 would be preferable. I'll keep the file on my watchlist so that if any issues emerge later on, I'll be aware of them. Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 18:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
It's all yours... :-) Remove the di-orphaned fair use template when you have added the image to the article.Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Permission for image sent, but apparently not received[edit]

Hello Ron, I received a message that the image on Druid (open-source data store) requires a permission. The author, Fangjin Yang, sent that permission (using the official template letter) to on July 1, 2014. Could this have been missed somehow? Please also respond on my talk page where the original message on this issue is posted. Thanks ... --textractor (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Replied Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, my bad for not reading carefully. The version 2 of that image isn't used in the article, so it can be deleted. The version 3, which has the permission, is the one that's used. --textractor (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

File:The Graham Norton Show.jpg[edit]

You wrote "decline - source field filled in". Could you tell where to find that source? --Stefan2 (talk) 16:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

It's obviously a TV screenshot - I recognise it as a UK programme. Probably not available anywhere else. Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:46, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
That doesn't solve the problem, though: there is still no source specified. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
It says The logo may be obtained from The Graham Norton Show. (obviously every time the programme is aired) - where else would you get a screenshot? You can change it to BBC if you like (just looked up next transmission on my Window Media Center - BBC1 HD Fri 26th Sept at 22:35). Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:08, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
The wording "The logo may be obtained from The Graham Norton Show" implies that the show is an entity which has a street address, a phone number or some other kind of contact information. There is no evidence that the show has such contact information. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:31, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
That view depends on where you live. I'm sure the creator won't mind you correcting it. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:46, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Answer to your comments and thank you[edit]

Hello, I never responded to you because I did not how to get onto this site before. I am experimenting to learn how to do things properly in the future. I would like to have a page under my name Aneliese Roettger. I put in links that directly led to the tv shows and movies I was in and used the [[ ]] before and after, however, they were all taken down. I also put a link up to my IMDB page, and that was taken down too. Someone wrote back that I could have it on my page, but the content was wrong? I think it may have put in the wrong place, but I don't know how to find the right place to put it. I have read and re-read articles on how to, but I don't understand them. Is there a template I can download and put in the requested information there so I know that I am not doing something incorrectly? I may have to pay someone who knows how to help me. Any help as to where I can go find answers that I understand. I would reapply appreciate your advice. Thank you, Aneliese Roettger Aneliese Roettger (talk) 21:36, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

You are going to struggle. Editors here do not like autobiographies - see WP:AUTO - it not forbidden but is strongly discouraged. I've added a template on your talk page to all the various policies and guidelines. I don't know if you qualify for inclusion, I would suggest you read WP:N as a general guide to notability and WP:ENT which refers to people in films, etc., as a start. Just to let you know your initial article was deleted because it had no references - there are two types of links in Wikipedia (A) Links to other pages using [[ ]], these are useful but do not show notability, and (B) Proper references - links to external sites/papers/books/journals/etc., using <ref> and </ref> - see WP:CITE for a full explanation - we need good, verifiable, reliable sources to show enough notability for inclusion. As regard paid editing, that is possible, but is again not recommended, as it is impossible for any paid editor to truly make a page from a neutral point of view - see WP:NPOV. I would also add that creating pages direct (as you tried) is the most difficult way to start, as soon as you hit save, many eyes will examine your new page, and decide if it should stay. I always tell all new editors to us the Article Wizard at WP:AfC, at least you can edit a page in relative peace, and when finished get a proper review from an experienced editor. Do remember that once a page is up and running, then any editor here can edit the article (so long as they follow the policies!), it is not possible to make a page and keep it as you like it - see WP:OWN, also if you have any skeletons in the cupboard then some one will find them and add them to the article - I've seen far too many articles started by a subject only to try to delete later, when all the old bad deeds came to light. Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Charlie's Farm[edit]

Hi There, I have been asked by the Director / Screenwriter for Charlie's Farm, Chrs Sun, to create the wiki page for the movie. Upon going to create the page I discovered a page had previously been made with the same title and had been deleted for copyright infringement.

Wiki advised I speak to those involved in its deletion prior to continuing.

The article I have prepared includes references. The Plot has been copied from both the IMBd websites and the Official Charlies Farm website, with permission from the Director himself and all these sections have been quoted and referenced.

Just looking for a go ahead so the page is not deleted once it is posted again.

Cheers 733Rose 733Rose (talk) 05:34, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

You cannot copy text verbatim from other web sites unless those web sites show an explicit permission to at least a cc-by-sa license on the site, or such formal permission has been received, from the copyright holder, by the Foundation and approved. Suggest you check out the page to get the permission - WP:DCM. When the page gets created an automatic script will test for copyright issues, you need to be sure that the permission has been sorted out. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Alessandro Ferrara Dublin 2013 A.jpg[edit]

Dear Ron Jones,

I'm writing concerning the deletion of a photo from the Alessandro Ferrara wiki page. Here is the info:

This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

23:00, 26 June 2014 Ronhjones (talk | contribs) deleted page File:Alessandro Ferrara Dublin 2013 A.jpg (File deleted: F11: No evidence of permission for more than 7 days (TW))

The evidence of permission is provided by the author of the photo, with the following letter, which has the photo on it (it's a pdf) and if you give me an email address I'll be happy to send it:

To Whom it Concerns I hereby declare that I am the author of the photograph “Ferrara in Dublin” [see below], taken at the philosophy workshop “Transcendence in Political Philosophy” at University College Dublin on 8 November 2013. And I authorise Professor Ferrara to use it free of any copyright in any form he may wish to do. Martin Sauter Martin Sauter 90 Roebuck Road Dublin 14 IRELAND Authorship of Photo “Ferrara in Dublin” [see below]

Can I please have the photo restored where it was? Thank you so much. sanfr53Sanfr53 (talk) 07:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

It needs to be sent through the OTRS system - see WP:DONATEIMAGE for address (use the suggested address for text as the image is here, and not on commons - do include the url of the image in the message). It's been restored for now - you have 30 days to get the permission sorted. Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 September 2014[edit]

list of twelve-step groups[edit]

Howdy Ronhjones. A experienced editor has proposed to change the standard for inclusion of List of twelve-step groups from being a list of wikipedia articles, to being a list of 12 step groups (without the necessity of having an article attached to the entry). The discussion is currently on the talk page. I am contacting you because you have participated in the maintenance of that article. If you have no opinion, please feel free to disregard this notice. Cheers! Coffeepusher (talk) 05:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Not for me - I just removed the obvious non notable red links. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Macedonia (ancient kingdom)[edit]

Hi RonhJones,

You recently protected the page Macedonia (ancient kingdom)

The link below, is the version of the consensus, reached by User:Taivo and User:Stevepeterson

Until it was sneakily changed by User:Gtrbolivar

Gtrbolivar reached no consensus and the warring editors, Taivo and Stevepeterson, reached a consensus for the first link.

Could you please re-instate the version which had been agreed upon until the vandal Gtrbolivar changed it?

Thanks and I look forward to your response and your reversion of this blatant vandalism.

Here is the old id

Macedonia (talk) 09:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

When there is edit warring we just protect the article as is - then you can all go away on the talk page and get a full agreement for the next version. There is no deadline in Wikipedia - get the agreement on the content sorted first. Changing now will just re-flame the edit war - I'll have the other side saying there is a bias against them, and they are being ignored. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
You are, of course, free to ask for protection removal at WP:RFUP Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Ronhjones save wikipedia[edit]

Dear Ronhjones, Unfortunately wikipedia is becoming a place where vandals, masters of propaganda, ultranationalists who believe in fairy tales and historically ignorant people with hidden agendas are calling the shots. I am sure you are aware of the massive propaganda mechanism of FYROM, a country who desperately tries to steal ancient Greek history in order to create a (false and based on lies and myths) national identity (within the process of nation-building see: Benedict Anderson (Imagined Communities), Ernest Gellner etc).

I never believed that unspeakable and inconcievable fairy tales and monstrous propaganda mecahnisms like these could ever permeate our project, but unfortunately they have. Ridiculous as it may seem, people like this user are trying to impose their personal pseudo-historic, propaganda-driven imagined theories (if you take a look at his user page you're not gonna believe your own eyes) in an encyclopedia with the stature of wikipedia. They have violated all wikipedia rules, common sense, common knowledge and they are trying to sneak into this encyclopedia unbelievable theories with no historical and academic evidence whatsoever. User Taivo, suggested something even more unthinkable and dangerous: In the name of an ill-understood neutrality (as if neutrality means bury the truth, the evidence, the reliable sources, everything) he asks us to hide the truth because it would be painful to the inhabitants of a country (!!!!!) who believe in a ridiculous state-driven propaganda full of pseudo-historic fairy tales. He started a crusade to bury the truth, to remove all the reliable sources (he has blatantly violated Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources a thousand times) in order to impose his own agenda which obviously gives propaganda a vital space to grow.

According to Taivo we are not allowed to write that Macedonia was an ancient Greek kingdom even if this is a well-known fact backed-up by every distinguished historian, every professor, every world-class university and museum in the world, because it will be hard for the inhabitants of a certain country to read it. Next thing will be to remove the Armenian genocide from wikipedia because the Turks deny it, the Holocaust because the prime minister of Iran, or some Neo-Nazis deny it. According to Taivo and every given Taivo it's not neutral to write that Armenians were slaughtered because (quote): It is offensive to the Turks, so you need to leave your politics at the door." If tomorrow Albanians start advocating that Napoleon was Albanian and not French, we should respect them and not provoke them by writing in wikipedia that Napoleon was French.

So in wikipedia we don't care about the sources, about the evidence, about the truth. We care about creating a propaganda-driven project which buries the reliable sources, disregards the evidence and its own rules in order to create some form of diplomatic decorum and a safe haven for anyone who wants to impose his propaganda by distorting the truth, by removing evidence, by insulting common sense. I am appealing to your education and to your unquestionable integrity. We have to protect and save wikipedia from this upcoming disaster. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a place where propaganda and distortion triumphs. I am asking you to give us your input, your point of view. Thank you so much for your attention. Gtrbolivar (talk) 23:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: I would like to bring this matter to the administrators, to inform as many admins and reliable users of wikipedia as possible. I would like to see a vast partcipation of admins and users who have an interest in history (or contribute in historical articles in wikipedia) in the Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom) talk page. Can you help me on this? What should I do? I would like this matter to be presented in a much broader wikipedia audience. Could you assist me on this? Gtrbolivar (talk) 23:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

There is always Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece - maybe you'll find some more like minded editors there. There are only around 1000 active admins, and the vast majority of those will be based in English speaking countries. Looking at who has Greek language userboxes I see...
  • One admin (User:Magioladitis) as native
  • One admin (User:Future Perfect at Sunrise) as advanced
  • One admin (User:Delirium) as intermediate
  • Four admins (User:Tkinias), (User:Andres), (User:Papa November), (User:Carlossuarez46) as basic.
Feel free to try some of those - they may have more interest in the subject as they speak some Greek (I've not wiki-linked them as they would get a notify, I'll let you decide it you want to contact them). Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:50, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much, I would like to see your input and your comments in the Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom) talk page. Sorry for all the inconvenience, but admins like yourself are essential to matters of such importance. I really appreciate your attention and your immediate response. Gtrbolivar (talk) 02:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help![edit]

Thanks for deleting the file that I had marked without source - I just happened to notice the talkpage was still there: File_talk:R.c.dutt.jpg can you delete it too? Kind regards, Deadstar (talk) 08:15, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem, one I missed (again!) Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

File: Don Hanlon Johnson, Christmas.jpeg[edit]

Greetings, Thanks for informing me of the missing copyright information with regards to the photo of Professor Johnson. I am new to wiki editing and am finishing up my first wiki entry; the photo of Professor Johnson is the my first media upload. The photo was provided by Professor Johnson and I sent in an email to that offered explanation and what I believed to be, at the time, sufficient documentation. I forwarded the original email containing the picture to that wikipedia email address, per this sentence: >>If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to<< I recently signed in and saw that the photo would be deleted today, 09/17, if I did not further document the photo's fair use. Professor Johnson is emailing me today with permission to use the photo, which I will then forward on to you. There are no copyright issues whatsoever to be concerned about with regards to this photo. But I would greatly appreciate your explanation of how I may avoid complicating media uploads in the future! Adamsec (talk) 09:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)ADAMSECAdamsec (talk) 09:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

OTRS takes more than a week to sort out the permission - we allow 30 days, but you have to add {{OTRS pending}} to get that allocation (I've just done that). The image won't now be checked for 30 days. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

>>Thank you for your help. To whom do I discuss the emails and permissions that I have already provided via the email address? So sorry for my ignorance and many thanks for your assistance! Adamsec (talk) 00:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Request for undeletion for editing[edit]

Hi Ron,

I'd like to formally request an undelete of Geopolitical Information Service, in order to allow me to add appropriate secondary sources (completely forgot!)


Tristanojbacon (talk) 09:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ronhjones please help me with photo permissions for my pages[edit]

You seem to be a cuddly human, rather than some kind of formless concept or a bot. You left a message on my talk pages about use of photographs. This was for the page The Essex Model House

So Braintree Museum said in an email I could use that photo which they supplied to me. Please clarify what I have to do for that and the useful photographs for the pages on Bath Cabinet Makers, Derek Richter

Please use plain English - I do understand the need for rigour for copyright reasons, but it is tedious to spend ages in funny backrooms ticking boxes and not really knowing wtf is going on. I tried the CC route and nobody liked that , then I used just straight uploading.

I really want to become proficient at uploading articles which will include my and others' photos and not get all stuck

Many thanks

Psychetube 14:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychetube (talkcontribs)

It's going to get complicated....
There are several things to consider for copyright
  • The dolls house itself - someone had to make it, as a 3D creation the creator would have had copyright over the article - just like a sculptor.
  • The photograph also has some copyright as a whole picture, but not of the actual object.
  • Now the article is in a UK museum, assuming that the pubic can visit this area (even if a fee is required), then the UK declares such places as "public space", and any 3D object in a public place loses it's copyright (it does not work for 2D articles = paintings) - see c:Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#United_Kingdom
  • Therefore we are left with the copyright of the photograph.
As you did not take the photo (which would have been the easiest solution - I would help - but I don't live in Essex any more!), then your best place to start is WP:DCM. You need the museum to release the copyright of that photo to at least a CC-BY-SA license (or CC-BY, or CC-zero, or PD). Once the permission is sorted out then a ticket will be applied to the image, and all should be OK. If the image gets deleted meantime - then the OTRS team will get it undeleted when the permission is sorted. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Ezell-Harding Block Logo Small.gif[edit]

This image was deleted in october. It is our created content. It is a block EH and is our school Logo. I am not sure what additional information you need to know that it is our created content. Please advise.


Ezell-Harding (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

If you want to release the logo as a free image then check WP:DCM, note most logo owners don't like to do that, and they usually get used here as non-free - check WP:NFCC to see if that is possible- note: use a {{non-free logo}} as license and copy box from WP:FURG, keep size to 100,000 pixels max - look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Non-free_logo to see how other have written their pages. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox aqueduct navigable[edit]

Template:Infobox aqueduct navigable has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox aqueduct. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Jamesx12345 23:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Replied Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 September 2014[edit]

Request for undeletion of BasKet Note Pads article[edit]

Hello, last September 14, 2014, you deleted the article on BasKet Note Pads ( on the grounds that its subject is a "Non-notable computer application; lacks enough significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources for standalone article". I would like to challenge that assessment.

The computer application in question was notable enough, back on its day, to be shipped by default with some mainstream Linux distributions at the time (Kubuntu comes to my mind, but there were certainly others), and, consequently, it was not ignored by the specialized media. A quick search on the internet revealed abundant (though admittedly short) reviews on the tool in a variety of well-known specialized technical magazines/websites. For example:

* | Basket Note Pads: Open source replacement for Microsoft OneNote (TechRepublic)
* | A brief look at BasKet Note Pads (ars technica)

It was also commonly mentioned when reviewing or comparing note taking applications for GNU/Linux-based operating systems. For example, this article: | Introduction to QuickNote and Geeknote appearing on issue 147 (2013) of Linux Magazine, describes Basket Note Pads as a "popular application".

Even though Basket Note Pads can now largely be considered a discontinued computer application, the article contents remains of historical relevance and, consequently, I would like to place a request for undeletion of said article.

Thanks, Julian_herrera — Preceding undated comment added 19:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

@Julian herrera: No problem as it was just a PROD deletion - Note: it has no references, and unless improved, is unlikely to survive. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

My most recent picture uploads[edit]

I have a question regarding the classification Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files for a number of pictures I uploaded yesterday. I took these pictures at the Luftfahrt-Museum Laatzen-Hannover with the consent of the Museum. Why are they considered unfree? I took them and the museum allowed me to take them. Please advise MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:47, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

It's German law. Without explicit permission from the copyright owners, then we have to use the Freedom of Panorama rules in that country. In the case of Germany - the objects must be in a full public place and permanant.; A German museum interior is unlikely to be regarded as a public place (as far as I know degree of FoP that is only in the UK), and such a display will be moved, changed, from time to time - so not permanent. If you have/can get proper permission - then the procedure at WP:DCM is to be followed. Do note that while places will often allow taking of pictures, as soon as one asks for copyright release to allow full commercial re-use, then they tend to go rather cold... Ronhjones  (Talk) 14:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I posted a question regarding your interpretation here. Two editors interpret the German law differently, referring to Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:14, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


TripAdvisorLogo.jpg This user writes reviews in TripAdvisor

This file is allowed on the en.wikipedia as fair use. It is used on an Infobox. It's also part of the logo used on the TripAdvisor page. There are similar internet boxes logos for eBay, Facebook, twitter, TouTube, Panoramio etc. I have corrected the metadata to show permitted use as Infobox and linked page. Thanks. SurreyJohn (talk) 08:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Fair use image can only be used in articles, they cannot be used on user pages. Hence File:TripAdvisor Logo.svg is just fine, but File:TripAdvisorLogo.jpg is not allowed. Both Facebook and Twitter userboxes, do not have fair use images as they are just text. Sorry, but that's the rules. If you find any userboxes with non-free images, let me know and I will tag them as well. Ronhjones  (Talk) 14:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
UK Trademark law permits the use of logos, provided they are not misrepresented. Nor does the law distinguish between a user page and an article (the law is "black and white"), so I assume the rules are wrong. Anyway, I've learnt here that bureaucracy reigns supreme over reason (no offence meant), so I've updated the image to text only version. I assume this wont get deleted now!
@SurreyJohn: UK law may be OK, but you were using US Fair Use Law - it's not the same. WP servers are in Florida, fair use images have to abide by the Law there. Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
TripAdvisor do provide free logos and widgets. Has anyone bothered to ask for permission? Their logo, or a widget to link to TripAdvisor would be nice! Shall I ask them? or let them provide something themselves?  SurreyJohn   (Talk) 16:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
That would be more sensible Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

File:ClipBook Viewer screenshot.PNG[edit]


I strongly think File:ClipBook Viewer screenshot.PNG's resolution is already low enough because it mainly consists of text and white space. At 375px, almost nothing is visible on an iPad.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

It's almost 3 times the recommended size, and you already have it at 300px wide in the article. If you feel there is a real pressing need to have an oversized fair use (which most people probably won't see), then you should add such reasons to the Fair Use Rationale on the image page. Ronhjones  (Talk) 14:47, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
We're talking about being barely visible here. 81% of the image is white space. If you are so sensitive about pixel count, I can crop the button half of the image.
Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sensitive - it's a guideline of 100,000 pixels - as a it's impossible to have a figure that covers every possibility. You can have more, you just need to ensure that your reasons for more, have been stated on the image page - otherwise someone else will add a reduce template, when you aren't looking. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I did add it to the rationale. The problem is that the person who adds the template or downsizes it does not even look.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 08:45, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Codename Lisa:. There is not much there that explains why you are using an image bigger than WP:Image resolution - I would suggest put a proper explanation in the "Minimality" field to explain that - a simple "no" in that field to give the default text is always likely to be ignored. Ronhjones  (Talk) 14:07, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Janika Fabrikant.png -- undelete request[edit]

{{Help me}} Hi ! I have gotten permission to use File:Janika Fabrikant.png by photographer Yvonne Böhler. She sent an Email granting permission to "" on 16 Jul 2014. The image file has status deleted, and I cannot upload it again. I would like to show it on [[3]] in the Box on the right side. Thank you for your response. Ufdermuur (talk) 09:54, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Note that this has been posted on User talk:Sfan00 IMG so I've nulled the helpme template. Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 10:16, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Zhaofeng Li: OTRS takes time, it's never done in a week (unless you are really lucky), so we allow 30 days - to get those 30 days one needs to add {{OTRS pending}} to the permission field - I've restored and added the template for you, but you need to sort out the permission - after much searching, I found the e-mail, no one has replied to the agent's e-mail reply of 04/08/2014 04:09 - unless that is done, it is will get deleted again. (NB:Since I've found the e-mail, I've changed the template to a "received but not approved" one. Ronhjones  (Talk) 14:00, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ufdermuur: Pinging the right person... Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 14:06, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi Im writing you about a page that I tried to create and you deleted. I am a fan of an artist and I would like to create a credit here for him. Can you please help me? This is the link of the page:

Thaks a lot.

Regards: Sofia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofiadelig (talkcontribs) 16:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

@Sofiadelig: Creating new articles directly is next it impossible and any new user will not be successful IMO. We have plenty of other ways to create them, which are much less stressful. Therefore it's been restored as a draft at User:Sofiadelig/George Arvanitidis - you won't run the risk of endless deletion requests, while you improve the article. Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:16, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ronhjones: Thanks a lot for your Message. Can I have please any suggestions about how can I improve my article and what I am doing wrong? Thanks a lot again.
@Sofiadelig: You need reliable references - IMDB, blogs, facebook are not reliable. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

De-tagging of orphaned fair use image[edit]

Hi, re this edit - why remove the {{di-orphaned fair use|date=20 September 2014}} - the file isn't used anywhere, so fails WP:NFCCP#7. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:23, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Also this one - there is more than one frame, so it's not a screenshot - would {{non-free video sample}} have been better? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
You are quite right. I've refixed it - I fixed a load of images for this new user, all (well I thought all...) had a wrong license template at the top, which I removed and then fixed the licensing. obviously I got carried away in removing the first line... Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:51, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
And the other one, yes, sample is probably better than screenshot, and both are better than the original! Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:56, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Glitch art - toast sandwich.jpg - permission[edit]

Hello Ronhjones! I have read your notice on the file File:Glitch art - toast sandwich.jpg and I have begun the process of verifying permission by emailing Out of curiosity, since this Facebook post involves the active participants (the uploader and the artist) regarding the file, would this link suffice in granting permission based on Wikipedia's guidelines?--DrWho42 (talk) 01:30, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

@DoctorWho42: Nope. It;s only "Shared with:Public" - not given away for full commercial re-use as all WP image are! The facebook page would need the magic "This images is released to CC-BY-SA-3.0" to be useful. I've changed the banner on the image - OTRS won't be done in 7 days! You now have 30 days. Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:36, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ronhjones: Ah, thank you! Also: I made a mistake with crediting the right person's Wikipedia account. Their actual username is User:Aesthetic slime (despite going by Stella on FB). If a new email could be sent to the correct account, that would be great. Thanks again!--DrWho42 (talk) 03:03, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I think you should just give a move request for Mahidevran's article. Some users say she was a "Sultan" and the others like you say she was a "Hatun". So we should have a discussion about her title and then move the page. Keivan.fTalk 06:14, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

@Keivan.f: It was claimed to be an uncontroversial move request by User:Retrieverlove - the redirect had to be deleted first by an admin to make way for the page move, as there was more than one edit in the history. The words in the edit summary (Mahidevran was never a Haseki Sultan or a Valide Sultan or an Ottoman princess) come from that user when they filled in the {{db-move}} template. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:18, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

File:WHO ebola response map.jpg[edit]

Hi Dr Ron Jones. With regards to the above image mark for deletion.File:WHO ebola response map.jpg. I have forwarded the E-mail from World Health Organization to use this file to Permission was granted. This image is of pertinent importance to the "Ebola virus epidemic in West Africa" on Wikipedia. I have also submitted subsequent requested reuses of other files. World Health Organization WHO response is unfortunately slow, but understandable given the tremendous amount of work they are dealing with on the current crisis of this epidemic. Responses take about two weeks. This image was uploaded by --Monochrome_Monitor Kind Regards BrianGroen (talk) 08:29, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Templates changed on image to give you the allowed 30 days to get OTRS permission sorted. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposal for site undeletion[edit]

Hi, my name is Adam, to start thanks for helping administer this great site, I thoroughly enjoy its collaboration and information sourcing. I'm objecting to the deletion of the site at

due to personal support and belief in its relevance. Let me know if there is any problems or concerns regarding the restoration of this site, thanks. (talk) 17:48, 21 September 2014 (UTC) Restored as a contested PROD - you might want to consider moving it to become a draft article like for improvement, otherwise it may get a full deletion request now that PROD has been contested. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:26, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ronhjones: I agree and would like to move it to become a draft article for improvement and seasoning, though without it using my user namespace, simply with the draft namespace. I know it can be done directly before the article is published, but I am unsure how to do the action myself now that its published and contested. The article page allows any user to move it I believe so any help or advice is deeply appreciated. (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC) Oh, dear. The plot thickens. I've found two almost identical versions. It appears that User:Melpon (blocked as a WP:sock) had done a cut and paste move in August from Justin Gandino-Saadein to Justin Gandino-Saadein (Entrepreneur), and these two pages then kept being a redirect to the other for a while... I've just spent quite a while merging the two pages back together again (it's not easy!) So there now is one article at Justin Gandino-Saadein containing all the edits - that is now the page up for deletion. I cannot make it a draft anywhere at present as the creator is still active (User:Worthywords) and he should have first call, you can either ask him if he is happy for you to move the page to Draft, or wait until it gets deleted and then you can ask me to restore it to Draft. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:48, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ronhjones: My goodness, sorry for the mess I accidentally led to your door. I suppose letting it be deleted is the best option for now and try to fix it later on if its worth the time and effort. Thanks for taking the time to make the muddled situation a bit clearer though, its appreciated! (talk) 00:42, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of my image files[edit]

Thanks for deleting my images without giving me a chance to prove fair usage, dipshit.

I can understand the nomination for speedy deletion. I can understand why it was thought the images' copyright was infringed on. But I cannot understand why the images were deleted without giving me time to write my fair use rationale.

I was so happy to see the pictures I uploaded on the articles. One of them replaced a much-outdated photo. I literally cried when you deleted them.

Good job at making a girl cry, you jerk. Way to go.

By the way, I don't care if I get suspended or deleted for calling you jerk and dipshit. I'll just make a new account.

--Kaystar20 (talk) 21:24, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

@Kaystar20: You can say what you like - but they were copyright violations - we never wait. Also they are of living people, you cannot have fair use images of a living person (it will get deleted as "replaceable"), I also note one is a Getty Image - you can't use commercial agency images as fair use, except if there is some very critical commentary about that image. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:35, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ronhjones:I understand that, but the speedy deletion said it would wait for seven days. For me it was about seven minutes. Why is that? --Kaystar20 (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Kaystar20:The pages had two speedies - here's one of the pages...
{{di-no license|date=21 September 2014}}
The second line is a pseudo speedy and gives you 7 days WP:CSD#F4 (hence the date parameter), but the first line is a copyright violation and gives you zero time WP:CSD#F9. They were added by different editors. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:48, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ronhjones:Okay, I understand that. However, the page that had the second line did not give me seven days. It was deleted even quicker than the first one. Any reason why? --Kaystar20 (talk) 21:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@Kaystar20: - had there only been a di-no license template, then it would have come up for deletion on the 28th, but the F9 overrides that, we don't allow images tagged with F9 to last very long - otherwise the Foundation can end up with DCMA takedown notices. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:58, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Deleted page[edit]

Hi there, i would like to ask why you have deleted this page . There was said it has no significance or so. I have to say, I dont understand it. I am pretty new to this Wiki community and that page wasnt just made up for nothing, Jinjer is a real band from Ukraine, which starts its European tour in a month. I was asked by them to help them with this wiki page, so did I. Please recover it, or explain to me whats worng. I can verify it even more if thats the problem. For example look at their official website Thanks a lot.

Mattto888 (talk) 09:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)Mattto888

Wikipedia only shows data that has been previously published elsewhere in releiable sources. Every fact should have an in-line reference to show where that item of data can be verified. With no references - the article is doomed. Any data that has no inline reference is caled "original research, and can be rapidly removed by any editor - see WP:OR. References can include "official" pages of the band, but they don't count as reliable - as they are self-published. I could restore as a contested PROD, but it won't last 7 days. In such a case I usually restore as a draft. New users always struggle with creating articles - and if you create it direct, then you will never know the policies needed to keep a page. Page is now at User:Mattto888/Jinjer, I've added a welcome template with lots of policies to your talk page - also look at WP:BAND to see what is required to keep a article about a band. I suggest you use the review process when you have finished (I've added a banner with a link to put the article in the review queue when you are ready)) Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Possible Improper User Pages[edit]

It appears to me that the pages User:Biologychemistry and User:Biologyphysics are improper as self-promotion or worse. Because they are user pages, I am not sure whether they may be tagged for speedy deletion or otherwise be proposed for deletion. Assuming they are still in place when you read this message, I ask that you look at them and advise whether anything can or should be done about them or whether they must remain as is because they are user pages. Thank you. Donner60 (talk) 10:04, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

They have both gone - Speedy Delete WP:CSD#U5 nicely covers such abuse of a primary user page. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I will make note of the proper tag. Donner60 (talk) 21:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

photo permissions 1: File:Pierre Denis.jpg[edit]

i have permission from the copyright owner, Jimmy Choo Ltd to use this image. Any email was sent from the company to the permissions email address you gave this morning. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sophie Blythe1981 (talkcontribs) 12:11, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Banner has been changed to {{OTRS pending}} to give you the allowed 30 days to get OTRS to approve the permission. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:43, 22 September 2014 (UTC)