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When you have a moment ...[edit]

Not sure this is up your alley but, were you to come across Shitburger in a theoretical GAN, what would be your comments? TIA. —ATinySliver/ATalkPage 10:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

The title amuses me :P, and it could be worth looking into later on Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:13, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Pope Francis[edit]

Remember that you had promised a review at Talk:Pope Francis/GA1. But if you don't have time for it, don't worry, just say so, and the review page would be deleted and left open for someone else. --Cambalachero (talk) 16:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten about it, Cambalachero, and am still composing it. However, it has taken longer than I originally expected. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
OK finally finished, and am sorry to say the problems were very extensive. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

im4 warnings?[edit]

Howdy, I wanted to ask you about this warning you placed. It seems to be in reference to this and similar edits. Am I missing something? That seems to be a new editor who is just not very familiar with Wikipedia's policy and guidelines (WP:SELF in particular). I wonder if a gentler hand would be helpful, particularly since the source could have been tweaked and the information added properly. Perhaps I am not seeing a broader issue. In any event, thanks for the work but do keep an eye on biting the newcomers. --TeaDrinker (talk) 02:25, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I gave level 4 because level 2 and 3 warnings had been previously given. It probably would help to be more explicit about citing sources, though. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


If I am to get an image on Flickr, what search filter do I search under? Creative Commons, then do I also put commercial use allowed and modifications, or...? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know either, but would like to find out. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:03, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Oh, OK. Thanks, anyway. Cause I was looking for a new image for Drake Bell for a long time, as he has changed in looks, especially his hair, and I was trying to figure out if this was okay. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Cheek to Cheek (album)[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Rebel Heart Tour 2[edit]

Why correcting that Madonna performs in Cicago 29 September? Just look :) --Dejan 97 (talk) 14:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I would look for a better source before including the date, and removed that because no (reliable) reference used supported it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Billboard charts[edit]

Hello there. Since you're editing music-related articles i wanted to ask you one thing. Can you please check Billboard's charts to see if rapper Travi$ Scott's "Upper Echelon" has charted any of those charts? I want to create an article for that song just the rules says that the song needs to be charted on any notable chart. --Travi$ $ign (talk) 15:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Charting is actually not in itself a requirement. Here is what you need:
  1. Significant coverage OUTSIDE OF ALBUM REVIEWS from reliable secondary sources. Commentary from artists themselves and those affiliated with the song's creation don't count as those are essentially self-promotion.
  2. Enough information for the article to grow beyond a stub. Do not give a separate article if unlikely to grow beyond a stub.
Hope this helps. In the meantime, it never hurts to create a redirect to parent album or artist. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Seth MacFarlane[edit]

Thank you for your edit on Seth MacFarlane. I tried to remove those, a little bit ago, I got reverted then was threatened for a block. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

You likely were threatened due to edit warring. I know it's something you've been working on, but let me remind you that this is something to really pay close attention to. Some editors have an easier time monitoring themselves than others on this matter. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:36, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I reverted twice, I think, can't recall, but I tried to discuss on the talk page, someone did once, then continued with the reverts, I know, I learned to try to do one revert, two at most, only more than that if clear vandalism, and possibly deliberate disruptive editing. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:38, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

2011 Oscars[edit]

Would you please kindly proofread the 83rd Academy Awards regarding featured list promotion? I've already received near unanimous support for the 63rd Academy Awards and I am ready to do the next one. I would appreciate the help.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 07:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I'll look at it within a few days, Birdienest81. Speaking of 63rd Academy Awards, congrats on the promotion! Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

2011 Oscars revision[edit]

I addressed your comments regarding 83rd Academy Awards for featured list promotion. And I have fixed the problems. However, please read the comments regarding The Wrap, TV by the numbers, and Zap2It about these sources.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 07:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

City of Angels (Thirty Seconds to Mars song) FAC[edit]

Hi SNUGGUMS! City of Angels (Thirty Seconds to Mars song) is currently a featured article candidate. Would you like to comment at the current nomination? Your help would be very much appreciated.--Earthh (talk) 18:25, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

2011 Oscars update[edit]

Okay, I made more revisions for 83rd Academy Awards.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 00:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Katy Perry - The Prismatic World Tour[edit]

Hi SNUGGUMS, According to the Events page on, Katy Perry will be presenting shows in the following cities: Lima, Peru at the Jockey Club; Santiago, Chile at Pista Atletica; Bogota, Colombia at Parque Deportivo 222; and San Juan, Puerto Rico at Coliseo de Puerto Rico. I couldn't find sources, but these cities were announced publicly on her Twitter, events were made on her Facebook page, and three of the four cities announced started selling tickets. The article you sent me is saying she will be done in Asia, and then she will hit to road again in Latin America. On Twitter, Katy Perry said South America, but I think Latin America makes more sense since Puerto Rico is part of Latin America. Putting South America and North America separately looks messier, and all of the cities announced is part of the sixth leg. I feel my edits were made to inform Latin American fans that Katy Perry will definitely perform in Latin American countries. Thank you for your time, and hopefully you pass my edits.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicpoplover12 (talkcontribs)

The problem is that the "events" page doesn't explicitly mention those dates are part of the tour, Musicpoplover12, though I'm sure you meant well. Additionally, the link I gave you doesn't say explicitly that she'll resume the tour when "hitting the road" later on. Looking at her Twitter, I could only find an official tour announcement for October 6, though that was last week. The link I provided is more recent and is from a conversation E! had with her. My guess is she cancelled dates after May 14. In any case, we must abide by what sources say. Cheers, Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Perry herself confirmed that she would be going to South America with the tour. E! can be wrong you know. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 07:52, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Hadn't seen that link, my bad. Snuggums (talk / edits) 12:34, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
End date

Hello, Snuggums. Sorry, but you've wrong on the final date of the tour, it is true that the website says that the deadline is May 14, 2015; at the same time they indicate that Perry will take a break and resume the sixth stage in South America. You must return the dates as they were.

¡Katy Perry está de luto! (Spanish) «El Prismatic Tour terminará en Bangkok el 14 de mayo. Y la señorita Perry tendrá todo el verano para descansar. Pero la buena noticia es que volverá al ruedo a finales de este año, cuando realizará una nueva gira por América del Sur'.». --C.Jonel (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Upon further searching, looks like it'll continue through October 12, ending in Puerto Rico. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:34, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

2015 Oscars Lack of Diversity Controversy[edit]

Hi there,

I want to get your input on whether or not I should include the "lack of racial diversity" at this year's Oscars. I've encountered something similar with 68th Academy Awards ceremony regarding the Rainbow/PUSH near-protest over the same issue. I'm well aware that this year's non-diverse nominees was issue, but I was wondering if pointing out the Selma snub may run into bias or favoritism. I almost got a comment at WP:FLC asking why I did not include Pulp Fiction or The Shawshank Redemption's "snub" and critics reaction to it. I had to get someone else to explain that it was to prevent accusations of bias and keep neutrality in point of view (since every year there are perceived snubs such as Fruitvale Station, Shame, and Young Adult and upsets such as Crash and Shakespeare in Love). Now, I'm not sure what to do in this case. Should I include this controversy or not, and how should I address it. What do you think

Oh, I'm fixing the ceremony over at User:Birdienest81/sandbox three.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Not really sure what to say about this. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


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{{My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy track listing}}[edit]

Can you help me in nominating the WP:NSONGS failing articles from this unnecessary template? —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 08:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

WP:NSONGS doesn't apply to track listing templates, though I've left commentary on its TfD. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Lol, I didn't say that. I asked about afding the songs from this template, which fail WP:NSONGS. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
In that case, I'm going to (at least for now) decline due to off-Wiki schedule. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk back[edit]

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How to add columns[edit]

How do you add columns, as on the Filmography section of Robin Williams? I added a list of films on Dwayne Johnson, as the link cannot have a stand-alone section, but I tried using the column format like this:

but it doesn't work on that page when I tried it. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:02, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Saw you added the columns. Thank you. I could've sworn I added the same code. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
The problem is you forgot to close the column list with two "}" symbols. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:33, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah, ok. I thought I did here though. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:35, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
From this comparison, it was probably due to not fully linking The Rundown. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Thank you for fixing my error. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

1RR rule[edit]

For my 1RR restriction, what about unsourced content? How do I deal with that? As there are unsourced sales at Kendrick Lamar discography, and IPs keep adding them. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:10, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

File a semi-protection request at WP:Requests for page protection if it gets extensive, and leave notices on the IP pages. If the IPs are adding unsourced/poorly sourced extremely contentious claims, 3RRNO applies and you are free to revert more than once within 24 hours. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:16, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Alright, I understand. Thank you for the revert and the warning of the IP. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:18, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Of course. If reinserted, I would go ahead and request semi-protection. It might help to also leave a hidden note beforehand (place text between "<!--" and "-->" to do so). Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Laura Marano[edit]

The content you removed on Laura Marano recently did have a source, it just wasn't there, it was in the iTunes source for the soundtrack EP Austin & Ally: Take It from the Top. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

My issue was how a citation wasn't in place for it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. I was just letting you know. I'm not that good with the ref name stuff, to apply the same source to a multiple areas, typically, I copy + paste the code from somewhere else. Otherwise, I would have done it myself. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:59, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Tidal (disambiguation)[edit]

The formatting of the primary topic was correct and the redlink is allowed, per WP:MOSDAB. I guess the music service is bringing a lot of eyeballs to the dab. Widefox; talk 09:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus song) - composition[edit]

I think "pop ballad" is more reliable than others (synthpop, power pop). Miley herself also described as pop ballad. (talk) 15:15, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Not sure why you are messaging me about this, but remember to provide a citation for Miley herself describing the song. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Worth It[edit]

Please upload the cover art of Fifth Harmony's new single "Worth It" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:15, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


@SNUGGUMS: I put a reply to your message on my talk page. BluJay (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


You're not really surprised, are you? He's just proven what I've said all along: he's more interested in his agenda than in improving the encyclopedia. He's more interested in getting sympathy, attention, creating drama. I'm not gloating here, by any means, but the signs were all there -- both of his immaturity and his purpose. Your attempt and willingness to help out, though -- that was quite laudable and you did try. I give you credit for that. -- WV 20:58, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what to say about "surprised" or maturity levels, but I'm definitely disappointed. Joseph definitely means well, but is often too quick to revert. No, he most certainly is NOT doing things just for sympathy or attention, and I must admit this: you have been somewhat harsh to him in the past and often made it harder for him to edit without risking edit wars when you both edited a page. Whether he improves his editing skills or not, please maintain your distance from one another. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
I've had nothing to do with his editing choices. Just like no one has had anything to do with my editing choices. Or your editing choices. Yes, I've been harsh with him. That said, I haven't said a word to him for quite some time, and he's finding himself in the exact same predicaments as before with the same lame excuses. Obviously, what I've said to him in the past has nothing to do with his behavior choices, as he makes the same choices regardless of who is communicating with him. And, as far as your directive to maintain distance -- please. Give me a break. Why would you think that's within your scope? Regardless... like I said, I haven't been anywhere near him for a considerable amount of time. He doesn't need anyone to stay away. And, obviously, he doesn't need (or want) anyone's help, either. That includes you and the administrator who unblocked him. He's his own worst enemy because: He. Isn't. Here. To. Improve. The. Encyclopedia. (not yet, anyway) Until he starts acting and thinking about editing more maturely and within the proper framework, nothing will change regardless of what promises he makes. -- WV 21:30, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Wink, we know you don't belive in assuming good faith but please don't ridicule others who do. And by the way, your habit of following other users around to criticize them is as childish and immature as anything I've seen on here. Plus the whole glass house thing [1]. Calidum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Academy Awards or Oscars?[edit]

Hi there,

I would like to get your input as to whether all Academy Award-relate content on this encyclopedia should be changed the just say Oscar? There is a discussion going on at Talk:Academy Awards and it is unanimously opposed. I personally oppose the change because of encyclopedic naming purposes and to avoid confusion over ceremony dating.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 01:05, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
I boldly went ahead and snow-closed the discussion. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. I'm planning on cleaning up List of Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film to keep up with featured list standards beginning Wednesday. I already finished my copyedit of 87th Academy Awards which I'll submit in September close to this year's Emmy Awards.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 07:22, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


Would you like to comment on the Priyanka Chopra awards and nominations list, as you have edited it quite a few times. Thanks!—Prashant 16:19, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I actually haven't edited the article very much, though will take a look at it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:21, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
I have adressed all your comments. I must say the article has only improved from your inputs. You pay so much attention to minute details, which is commendable.—Prashant 06:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Happy to help Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:50, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Are you planning to talkback on the flc page or not? ever?—Prashant 10:07, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I will post there again Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I have removed that award.—Prashant 20:30, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Did you..[edit]

.. notice that Status added unsourced content to two of the Madonna articles, "Celebration" and "Revolver" and insisted on keeping them being reverted? What is wrong with him? He even updated his talk page to semi-retired, I can't even discuss with him. He was a good editor. :( —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 02:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

O_O I hadn't seen that, but it's not like him at all *shakes head in dissapointment* Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Removing non notable awards[edit]

Hey, would you want to comment on this issue at Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Cate Blanchett? LADY LOTUSTALK 17:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I've left input. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Removal of links to different awards[edit]

Hi! I see that you have deleted links to articles about awards that have been deleted. No problems there, but I wonder...if the awards are non-notable enough to be deleted, shouldn't we just remove mention of them entirely? I've done so at Liam James [2]. I thought to do the same with other removals but then saw your recent contributions and have concerns my fingers might fall off trying to keep up with twinkle :) --Hammersoft (talk) 18:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, they should be removed entirely. I wish Twinkle had a function that could do so. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:26, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Questionable source from anonymous editor[edit]

Some anonymous editor who is identified as 2602:30a:c05f:72d0:21b:63ff:fece:3f27 uses this blogpost as a source for questioning the Academy's decision to revoke Bruce Broughton's nomination for "Alone Yet Not Alone". I know that these blogs are highly questionable for sources (unless the person has journalistic credentials). I removed it once, but he or she put it back again. I hate going through this process.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 01:04, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I left a notice on the IP's talk page. If this keeps up, simply request page protection. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, he did improve by using a source by The Hollywood Reporter, but I had to take it down for the purposes of neutrality and avoiding opinion flame bait. There are always so-called "controversies" as to what gets nominated or snubbed. I try to make the ceremonies focus on what happened rather than what was snubbed per se.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 01:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of James Garfield (disambiguation)[edit]

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Presidential family CSDs[edit]

I am the matriach from hell, Wikipedians, and if I see any more of my family being hauled up against the wall by the CSD firing squad, you will find out exactly why a reliable source described me as "fearful and domineering".

Snuggums, I don't like coming down like a ton of bricks on experienced editors, especially ones who are good to work with .... but I really think you need to take these Roosevelt and Kennedy family articles to PROD or AfD, redirect them, or (my preferred option) find reliable sources and improve them .... anything but a CSD, basically. I don't think any of your recent nominations meet the CSD criteria - Bamie Roosevelt doesn't and Sara Roosevelt didn't either (and I personally wouldn't AfD it now either). As my general rule of thumb, if I can pull up this many reliable sources in 10 seconds, it is absolutely not a speedy. Ever. The pertinent part about WP:INHERIT and WP:BIO for me is "However, person A may be included in the related article on B", and so I would suggest close families of US presidents are in general worth a redirect at minimum. Sorry to be blunt, but CSDs should be reserved for situations where the article has not got a hope in hell of meeting the inclusion criteria - ever. On the other hand, I do have to go and hide under a rock now for putting the wrong Roosevelt in the original draft of this message....Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Redirecting is an option, though I figured CSD would apply with those that have no independent notability at all, regardless of what family they are from. I do sometimes use PROD and AFD as well. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:11, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
One way of looking at it is "could I copy anything at all from this article into another one and still meet the basic policies of WP:V, WP:OR and WP:NPOV?" If the answer is "no", CSD away! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Don't forget WP:RS! Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I frequently don't ;-P Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Linkin Park[edit]

I have tried to correct the mistakes on the page. If you could just have a look at it. Mike:Golu · [ Confidential message ] 11:54, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Red links[edit]

Please see WP:RED — red links are not always invalid and do not always need to be removed. If an article has been deleted as non-notable, then yes, links to it should be delinked. But if a topic (such as an award-nominated film) can qualify for an article, then the fact that it doesn't already have one as of today is not a reason to go around unlinking it everywhere a redlink exists. Per the guideline, "a red link should be allowed to remain in an article if it links to a term that could plausibly sustain an article, but for which there is no existing candidate article, or article section, under any name. Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on that subject." In other words, it has to be ineligible for an article, not just "doesn't already have one", to warrant delinking it. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 18:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


I'm wondering to put references to where it has no references. Can you help me?

See WP:Citing sources and Help:Referencing for beginners. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:06, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Reliable sources for music video direction?[edit]

Hi. Hope you're well. I've currently working on expanding a filmography but am unsure of which sources I should use for citing music video direction which are an important part of the filmography. You have worked on music articles, what are the go to reliable sources for such information? Cowlibob (talk) 08:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

See WP:WikiProject Albums/Sources for a good general list. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for comments on Peer Review[edit]

You seem to be editing all over the place lately :) So if you're too busy or have other things to attend to, no worries but you've always been a good insight for my past reviews and featured noms. If you have the time and would like to, I'd love your thoughts are on this one. Thanks :) LADY LOTUSTALK 12:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I have been "all over the place" recently :). I'll probably get to this within the week. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

David A. Kennedy & Courtney Kennedy Hill[edit]

Did you deleted these pages, no?, Why? The same importance that they that some of others of RFK children, and also that I knew some things about these people that I put in their pages of Wikipedia and thanks to you my work lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

First of all, they were redirected, not deleted. Secondly, I myself only redirected David's article before you posted this message. Third, please see WP:Notability (people), particularly the "Invalid criteria" and "Family" sections; notability isn't inherited, and being related to someone famous does not by itself automatically indicate notability. They do not meet notability criteria. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Nick Jonas[edit]

Hi! I noticed you removed the word musician from the Nick Jonas article. I understand that word to mean someone that plays instruments, which Nick does. I was just looking for clarification on why you made that edit. I am new to the Wikipedia community so I am still learning a lot! Thanks!! Rimmel.Edits Talk 21:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I did that because it is repetitive to list someone as both "singer" and "musician", and "singer" is a more specific term. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


Hey! I just want to thank you for reviewing the flc, which passed yesterday. Your inputs were very helpful. Thanks again.—Prashant 08:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy to help, Prashant! Snuggums (talk / edits) 11:02, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Enthiran FAC 2.0[edit]

I have opened the 2nd FAC for the article. Please do let me know if you would like to make any comments. Thanks. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 02:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I might. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:48, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Just a gentle reminder. As I mentioned above, Please do let me know. Thanks. Face-smile.svgSsven2 Speak 2 me 11:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

A little help[edit]

Hello SNUGGUMS, I would like to ask for your help, again regarding the gossip article that was used as source for the birthyear of a castmember. Some non registered person has changed it back again. Could you please look into it? I think the page should be semi protected. I took a look at the edithistory of the editor and it is only one day old with 3 of 4 edits regarding this subject. Some castmember of the show and their fans are trashtalking about each other, mostly on social media, but I feel that Wikipedia is beeing used too. I ask for your help because English isn't my native language and I don't know all the rules on the English Wikipedia. Your help will be highly appreciated. Kind regards, Histogenea22 (talk) 12:16, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Please provide a link to the page, Histogenea22, or I can't exactly help you. Snuggums (talk / edits) 12:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Of course, it's about the reality show Mob Wives, she refers to the talk page for the reason of her edit. And lastly she commented here on this matter. Thank you in advance. Histogenea22 (talk) 12:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

A quickie GA Review[edit]

Hey, (If I speak his name, he comes to hound me.. So lets go with "You-Know-Who") You-Know-Who is working hard to get me blocked and aggravated. Can bother you for a quick GA review here. Please,,... Thanks MaRAno FAN 18:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Not just yet- in addition to being occupied with off-Wiki events, I have another GAN I need to review first. Should be able to review over the weekend, though. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:47, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
@SNUGGUMS: @SNUGGUMS:When can I expect the review to commence? All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 13:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
After I complete my review for Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Leonard Nimoy[edit]

Discussion moved to article talk page by Pathore (talk) to seek broader consensus 02:18, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

You removed from the article as "fails NFCC" content that, as of the moment, is uncontested public domain. I'm cornfused, as my granddad used to say. Enlighten me? —ATinySliver/ATalkPage 18:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for any judgment errors I made. I didn't really see how the sample benefited the article, and am so used to seeing non-free audio samples (if any samples) used within articles that it struck me as not meeting the "contextual significance" requirement for non-free content. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:47, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
While I agree that it doesn't meet the requirements for using non-free content, I have restored it because those requirements are irrelevant since the file in question appears to be free content. Pathore (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
'sokay. I was just wondering if I was missing something. Face-grin.svgATinySliver/ATalkPage 21:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Licensing aside, how exactly does the sample benefit the article, though? Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Does it benefit the article? It appears to have been added shortly after Nimoy's death. Perhaps removing it could be part of the cleanup I suggested on the talk page a few months ago? But if it is removed, it should be removed because it is useless, not because it doesn't meet NFCC. Pathore (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Understood. I'd remove it as part of a cleanup. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I, too, see no benefit to the article. That having been said, should this discussion be transcluded to/continued at the article's talk page? —ATinySliver/ATalkPage 23:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to post on talk page if contested, but I'd say just go ahead and remove it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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Jackson Pages[edit]

It looks like you went on a Jackson family massacre. What happened to Prince's page? Zdawg1029 (talk) 05:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't exactly call it a "massacre", but I boldly redirected due to lack of notability; being related to someone famous doesn't automatically mean someone is notable. See the "Invalid criteria" and "Family" sections of WP:Notability (people) for more. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
I mean yeah, but there are plenty of people on here that are far less "famous" that have pages. Plus it wasn't really hurting anything.Zdawg1029 (talk) 05:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
It would be impossible for me to keep track of every single person with a page that doesn't meet notability criteria (explained on the page I linked above) at once, and doubt anybody else could do so either :P. However, just know that MJ's children (at least for now) don't warrant separate articles. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:27, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Hillary Rodham Clinton[edit]

Hillary Clinton official Secretary of State portrait crop.jpg You are invited to join WikiProject Hillary Rodham Clinton, a WikiProject dedicated to improving articles related to American politician Hillary Rodham Clinton. You received this invitation because of your history editing articles related to her. The WikiProject Hillary Rodham Clinton group discussion is here. If you are interested in joining, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of participants.

Thanks for your consideration, and please note that joining this project is in no way an endorsement of HRC or her political positions. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Not sure ATM if I'll join, but I'm sure Wasted Time R will if he hasn't already. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

invincible/ MJ[edit]

hi I was interested in changing the intro (1st sentence) of Michael Jackson invincible album article to,,,,,,,,,,"was his final album",, then on the next sentence (2nd sentence)put "it was his 10th studio album", however I have run into some opposition, can you help, thanks-- (talk) 22:27, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Simply put, it is misleading to say simply "his final album" as multiple compilation albums have followed Invincible. While it is his last studio album, we can't just discredit other releases that came out afterwards. Hope this helps! Cheers, Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I am going to talk to it![edit]

Not yours, SNUGGUMS! Find me someone else right now! The friend or something! User talk pages are mine? SingingJoseph4MusicalFilmFans (talk) 23:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what exactly you are talking about..... Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I WikiLove SNUGGUMS! SingingJoseph4MusicalFilmFans (talk) 18:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Best Actress Oscar[edit]

Would you kindly look over Academy Award for Best Actress regarding featured list promotion? I modeled it after Academy Award for Best Actor which was promoted last year for Featured list status.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 00:11, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Not yet; I have other work that needs to be done first (both online and offline). Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
  • No problem.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 08:19, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hey! again[edit]

Would you like to give your input to another list of mine. Your inputs are really helpful, this is the one.—Prashant 13:37, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Not now, but I might later on Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:41, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: How You Like Me Now?[edit]

Hello SNUGGUMS. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of How You Like Me Now?, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: This does not appear to be uncontroversial maintenance based on the talk page and history (though those discussions are old). I would advise going through WP:MFD it not at least WP:PROD. I do not believe WP:CSD is the appropriate avenue for this. Thank you. Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 21:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I have used PROD on articles before, Shirik, though won't use that since a PROD was previously contested. The reason I thought a G6 speedy deletion would work for that page because the DAB has only two entries (excluding links provided in "see also" section), and one of them doesn't even have a separate article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

So? Daily Show[edit]

Hello, I just wanted what was the result of The Daily Show split. You closed the discussion and it looks like it wasn't decided if the page should be spilt or not. Just wanted to know because I was very curious what the fate of that page was going to be. (McQueen.30 (talk) 02:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC))

See the note I left on the talk page; not being split for now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Meghan Trainor[edit]

SNUGS, I think this closure was inappropriate. The article has been stable for a long time and not even edit-warred over. WV has a simple problem with the article getting promoted and he flares up drama everytime I nominate it. Why wasn't I notified? What is going on? All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 08:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Winkelvi is more concerned with terminology used within prose than he is with article promotion/nominations. In fact, many people simply try to improve articles without aiming for GA/FA. I know it sucks to have this fail for GA again for the same reasons it did in January, but I simply cannot in good conscience promote an article with any ongoing disputes. On the plus side, at least there wasn't so much edit warring this time. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I have gone the RfC route on the Meghan biography. But Yay!, Thanks for reviewing the Title (EP) article, its been a delight collaborating with you. :) All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 19:06, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
My pleasure reviewing Title, and you'd make Ms. Trainor herself quite proud with the work you do for her articles :)! Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I Am (Leona Lewis album)[edit]

What should happen about it? It shouldn't be in mainspace per Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Unreleased material, but WilyD threw a strop on my talk page, and hasn't even bothered to reply back. See here: User talk:Calvin999#Bogus speedy deletion tags. He completely ignored everything I said, and now he is violating the guidelines. Can't believe he is an administrator.  — ₳aron 09:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and incubated it at draft space until a full tracklist and release date are verified as per WP:NALBUMS. If WilyD hasn't read the notability criteria already, ensure he does ASAP. It's a shame he ignored/disregarded your rationale like that (shakes head in disappointment). Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
He shouldn't be admin. He was threatening me too.  — ₳aron 20:07, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I myself would expect better judgement from an admin. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Grey DeLisle birthdate[edit]

IMDB is my source. Link:

I hope this clears things up. Thanks! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for providing a reference,, but there is long-standing consensus that IMDb is not considered a reliable source. Grey herself has also said she was not born in August 1972. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi S I hope that you are well. In case you weren't aware I thought I'd let you know that the ping system does not work for IPs. Also I like using this shortcut WP:RS/IMDB when explaining why WikiP can't use that site as a ref. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Marnette, and I am well :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
You are welcome and that is good to hear! MarnetteD|Talk 22:42, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


I'm confused.

I'm not sure why Talk:Ocean's Three and a Half/GA2 was started right away with such a time crunch, with zero attempts first to address any issues on the article's talk page?

I'm really quite stressed in life right now and could do with working on any suggestions you might have, and most appear quite helpful, but not under a time crunch.

Thank you,

Cirt (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Unlike the FAR process, users are not required to consult talk pages before raising GAR's. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
But it would have been a nice courtesy, right? — Cirt (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps so, but the issues were really worrisome. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Sure. I'm sorry you felt worried about it. In the future, please at least try to engage in talk page discussion first, as a courtesy. It would really be most appreciated. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 16:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I'll try to leave some notice unless the issues are so substantial (e.g. it meets the quickfail criteria) that nobody could save it within a week and it's something that should be immediately delisted. For GAR's, I should mention that the general courtesy action is to leave notices of ongoing GAR's. Thankfully, this one is not so flawed that it should be immediately delisted without putting the GAR on hold. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate that. Very much! Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 16:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Of course. Just remember that courtesy for GAR's is leaving notices on user talk and project talk pages, so this plus the fact that the reassessment is on hold indicates a reasonable chance to redeem the article has been given. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay. I've gone through your helpful suggestions, one-at-a-time, and addressed the vast majority of them. For the most part I didn't have any objections so I just directly implemented your thoughtful recommendations. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Best Director alphabetical arrangement[edit]

Quick question. Do you think the winners and nominees for Best Director in each ceremony category should be arranged in alphabetical order by either person or film? Someone changed the order a few days ago.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 19:49, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
It'll be easier for me to say if you give a link to the page(s). Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
--Birdienest81 (talk) 20:00, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • It doesn't seem to be a major issue, though is probably worth consulting the WikiProjects for lists and/or awards. I have no personal preference. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:09, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Lorde/archive3[edit]

This list failed because it only achieved one support from you. If you don't mind, can you visit the third nomination of the list and vote one support? (the list needs at least three supports to achieve the gold star). Thanks, (talk) 09:14, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:Canvassing, you cannot ask people to support a nomination. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
So can you leave any comments? Thanks, (talk) 02:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I'll do so within the next 24 hours. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

RFD[edit]  — ₳aron 12:49, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll keep this in mind. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

SRK FAC[edit]

You were involved in the first FAC, and I would be interested to see if this could gain your support now: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Shah Rukh Khan/archive2 BollyJeff | talk 12:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to decline for now due to offline schedule, but might comment later on. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, it will probably be there a while. BollyJeff | talk 16:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Enthiran promoted to FA![edit]

Happy to inform you that Enthiran is promoted! My first FA success! Face-smile.svgSsven2 Speak 2 me 14:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Hooray :D! Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


I noticed at the Title (EP) GA, you said that BuzzFeed was "not at all reliable". What is the basis for this statement? They have "community" posts from readers that should obviously not be cited, but everything else should be usable. –Chase (talk / contribs) 15:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Just about every post I've seen from them is too gossipy to take seriously, especially the "community" posts. They don't really provide credible bases for their content. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, I'm obviously not referring to their "36 X Ways to Y" listicles, but their news reporting and interviews are generally solid. –Chase (talk / contribs) 17:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I knew what you meant, but much of what they base their reports on is spectulative at best, and I would very likely get a reduced grade if I used it as a source for anything school-related (or rejected if work-related). They don't seem like a professional or trustable source in the long run, though I will grant that I have seen worse. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


I will always respond vigorously but politely, and that is how we achieve consensus. If you ever think I am out of order, just say so and I shall apologise. I appreciate your good work to make the encyclopaedia better: I try to do the same. Not very well, but mene mene mekel I think it is in Hebrew, add little to little and you have a big pile. I'm slightly annoyed that you think you own a page (which I am sure you don't but came across that way at RfD to me): but more pleased that you contribute so much to Wikipedia, and we'll get there together.

Thank you once again for your contributions to make the encyclopaedia better. I for one very much appreciate it. I shall disagree with you but never hate you: you're making it better. I hope I do the same. Si Trew (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

No hard feelings. I'm not sure how exactly you got the impression I was trying to own a page, but I wasn't. What exactly are you trying to say with the "add little to little and you have a big pile" bit, though? Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:08, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Help and observation[edit]

Hey Snuggums! I finally started working on this. I would like if you make some observations and feedback about it. :) Thanks! — Tom(T2ME) 17:55, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello! First off, I really like how it includes production details on her work and quotes. It would feel incomplete (and perhaps dull) if there were none!! The only major issues I can spot at the moment are an incomplete lead and how three "life and career" sections are blank. However, I'm sure they'll be filled out over time :). As for specific bits:
  • It would help to include her half-siblings' names
  • Jay Z shouldn't be hyphenated, and I see a mix of hyphenated and non-hyphenated uses
  • Pon de Replay should be linked in its first mention, and charts should be mentioned as opposed to simply "over sixteen national charts worldwide"; follow the example of US and UK chart names for that bit
  • Nominations aren't really needed when she has won awards from a ceremony, so as an example I'd remove her 2008 Grammy nominations that she lost
  • "singer and entertainer" for Chris Brown is repetitive; just use singer
Her main article does need work, and hopefully your sandbox changes can soon be implemented :D. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Haha, I was thinking more to give this detail on the talk of the sandbox but nevermind. Thanks. I am not sure whether are names of her sub-siblings, I will try to find them. And the lead is empty atm, I will fill it ofc, after I finish with the article. Cheers! — Tom(T2ME) 18:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Rodham Clinton - Move Discussion[edit]


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Thanks. And have a nice day. NickCT (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I wish to commend you for staid neutrality while considering the matter. I myself share that position and am waiting to see if there is any reasoned response to my query as to Hillary's opponents and allies all abiding by one usage. But let me know if you come to take a position. Pandeist (talk) 23:00, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello Pandeist. Thanks for commending me :). Not sure how much it will affect your stance, but I have in fact decided on a position as shown here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I expect that I will as well, as my own investigation seems to make the case ever more compelling. But I've asked a specific question in the discussion and will give everybody a fair shot to address it. But thank you for informing me of your determination. It is most useful to my thinking. Pandeist (talk) 23:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Hey Snuggums. Thanks for noticing my error! I fixed it and deleted your comment. Hope that's ok. Thanks again, NickCT (talk) 00:23, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Happy to help. I didn't expect the deletion, but am glad you at least let me know about it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:25, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
This move discussion is going to get unholy messy. It would be nice to keep things as clean as possible. :-)
Thanks for weighing in by the way. The last big discussion produced a large majority of editors arguing that COMMONNAME should be observed, but a set of admins seemed to overrule that. I'm just hoping that situation doesn't repeat. NickCT (talk) 00:30, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm not really surprised about messiness given past RM's; this has been a contentious issue over a highly publicized person. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Madonna (entertainer)#Infobox image[edit]

Please join this discussion if you are interested. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:44, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Beyoncé (disambiguation)[edit]

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The article Beyoncé (disambiguation) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Beyoncé: Platinum Edition and Beyoncé Pulse are only partial title matches. Beyoncé (album) is the only full-match topic, and a hatnote atop Beyoncé will suffice.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

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Signature syntax[edit]

Hi, I just edited below you on the HRC move request, and because your signature has the b tag and wikilinks close out of order, the syntax highlighter I use highlighted everything below your signature, making the highlighting useless. Would you please adjust the 'edits' part of your signature to fix this? (the 'talk' part looks ok) Thanks. kennethaw88talk 02:56, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a syntax highlighter or know how those work, but tweaked my signature a bit. Tell me if it seems any better now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:21, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks! kennethaw88talk 03:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Please could I have some more time, please[edit]

Please, I ask of you, could I please have some more time, please?

I have a lot going on in my life right now.

I've taken multiple steps to address the GA Review.

I will respond to your other concerns.

Thank you for your understanding in this matter,

Cirt (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

See my response at the GAR. Too much time has already passed :/, and it's better to renominate at GAN after addressing issues. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Your sense of urgency is confusing. I'm not sure what makes this such an emergency? — Cirt (talk) 00:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if I would use the terms "urgency" or "emergency", but not enough was fixed within the deadline. If it was only minor issues, I would likely fixed them myself, but my concerns were major. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
It woulda been nice if we coulda discussed your differences of opinion, more, with what you thought still needed to be fixed. Perhaps if you had been more engaged in discussion and willing to talk about those issues, over time, we could have come to a compromise solution. — Cirt (talk) 00:44, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I notice you didn't even give it the full seven (7) days from your initial review, choosing instead to delist earlier than that. I wonder why that was? — Cirt (talk) 00:49, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
As in a full 168 hours? I wasn't really paying attention to that specific detail. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:55, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm just not sure why you felt it was so urgent you had to close it under 7 days? — Cirt (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I was more focused on the fact that seven WikiDays had gone by than I was with specific hours. I just happened to first log in on this WikiDay at an earlier hour than the one I finished the initial review on, and would've delisted at first edit of the WikiDay even if I logged on at a different hour. Some editors I've found are more focused on the hours than others. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The fact you closed it in under seven days shows a sense of urgency which is confusing and quite frankly was unnecessary. I'm sure I could have been able to respond to more of your concerns if you'd been more lenient with the time, instead of choosing to close it early. — Cirt (talk) 01:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry if it came of as "urgency", but it wasn't. I should note people don't always keep exact hours in mind when giving time frames of a day or longer, with many seeing it as a minor thing. Even if I did go by an exact 168 hours (which I hadn't thought about before you brought it up), I'm not convinced the article could be expanded enough before time expired. I personally have paid more attention to WikiDays than exact hours during my overall time as an editor, though have no prejudice against paying closer attention to hours in the future. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry also that you felt it so urgent that you couldn't wait longer and that you felt you didn't have enough skill to engage in further discussion and possibly get the article improved further and have more of your points addressed. — Cirt (talk) 01:56, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Relisting debates[edit]

In the future, could you use Template:Relist when relisting AfDs? This puts the AfD in the proper category for relisted AfDs and is also helpful for bots, scripts, and tools, such as the one here: User:Cyberbot_I/Current_AfDs. This script here: Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/CloseAFD.js can automate the process. ― Padenton|   01:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

The only reason I hadn't done so was before was because I didn't know the code, so thank you for providing it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

A song before Nicki Minaj[edit]

Get On Your Knees (Los Canarios song)‎; 04:38 . . (+10)‎ . . ‎SNUGGUMS (talk | contribs)‎ (Requesting speedy deletion (CSD A9). (TW))
What is your reason for thinking a triple gold single is not notable? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
See WP:CSD#A9; a speedy deletion criterion for musical recordings when the artist doesn't have his/her own article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
It now has its own article. It already had one on Spanish wikipedia of course. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:14, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Language not withstanding, songs also should not have separate articles when unlikely to grow beyond stubs as per WP:NSONGS. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:17, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
See WP:IDEALSTUB. On another subject, you presumably know that Prod cannot be used on sourced articles or articles with interwikis to other languages, have you any idea who might have deleted Koreana (band)? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:49, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, well you know this wasn't "uncontroversial maintenance" but trolling. If you want to delete a dab page you need to go through the same AFD process as any other article. Please don't use any more speedy deletion or prod tags on sourced articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
No, I wasn't trolling. Accusing me of that when there was a primary topic and only one other article containing a term within a title is uncalled for. PROD's can be used when the sources provided do not demonstrate sufficient notability, and CSD can be used for that as well as for copyvios and deletions of pages created by socks of banned/blocked users. PROD's and CSD can also be applied to DAB's that aren't warranted. Snuggums (talk / edits) 08:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Then you in good faith don't understand the G6 criteria, please see this thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
G6 or not, "Jay Martin" doesn't warrant a DAB when only one article is titled "Jay Martin". "Living for Love" doesn't either when there is a primary topic and one other topic. Not everything needs a DAB. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Eric Cartman[edit]

Hello SNUGGUMS, I would use the website House of Names and their page on the "Cartman" name as evidence that the name is English. As to how this shows up in South Park, well Cartman's racially prejudice attitude to other characters would be a sign he thinks of himself as belonging to the Anglo-Saxon race. But as for Stan Marsh (this article is in the "Fictional American people of English descent" category too) all there is to go on for him being English is his surname which probably isn't enough, whereas Cartman has an English name and an Anglo-Saxon descended view of himself.-- (talk) 23:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Not sure if that website is reliable. If not commentary from series creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker, what we need is an episode where one or more characters EXPLICITLY states he has English heritage. We cannot simply make assumptions. He is indeed very prejudiced and racist, but thinking he's superior doesn't automatically indicate what his heritage is. The only thing I've found on his heritage is when he states in the episode Tom's Rhinoplasty that his grandmother was Dutch and Irish (but then again, it's hard to tell if he was being serious because he also claimed to be "quarter-lesbian" when saying his grandfather was lesbian, which Stan and Kyle refute). Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
It is hard to pin down, but I made the assumption about his heritage based on two things, his prejudiced and racist views (that seem to favor Anglo-Saxon peoples) and his surname, granted though the House of Names website has got pages which made me scratch my head in the past, such as there page on the surname "Capone", which they claim is English (Anglo-Saxon) in some cases and Italian in others, I would of thought it was only Italian but then they do explain the history behind both cases. So I'm not sure the website is always reliable, but regarding the "Cartman" name, seems to be pretty spot-on, as for the Tom's Rhinoplasty episode I didn't see it, but is there any evidence for Stan Marsh being English? For a while the Wikipedia article on Eric Cartman said he was of German descent, they only got rid of it quite recently-- (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I haven't seen any episodes or commentary including Stan's heritage. Also, last names don't always indicate heritage; people can legally change their identities to something completely different than their birth name that has no connection to their ancestry. In any case, his exact heritage isn't even a defining trait for him to begin with (in other words, not a significant trait or something he's noted for), so there isn't even any need to include categories what his heritage is. There also is no need to include anything on it when there's no official verification. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok, but the Randy and Sharon Marsh article and the Stan Marsh article are both in the category "Fictional American people of English descent", so does that mean Randy, Sharon and Stan are all meant to be of English descent, anyway if I remember correctly her name is Kimble before she marry Randy, which could be English I suppose.-- (talk) 00:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
They shouldn't be unless series creator and/or at least one character explicitly states they're of English descent. As a matter of fact, ancestry is not a defining trait for any of the white characters on the show at all. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:24, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I would disagree with that because Kenny is Irish American, Kyle is clearly of Polish Jewish descent, and Butters is Scottish, there was even a scene in one episode which shows Butters' dad Stephen sat in a room in his house which is decorated in tartan and other Scottish decorations.-- (talk) 13:48, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
WP:Defining refers to what things are noted for. Regardless of Kenny, Kyle, and Butters' exact heritage, it is not something they're particularly noted for. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Title (Meghan Trainor album)[edit]

Can we rush this review fast, there is a huge possibility that I may be blocked soon. Good faith. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 17:43, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I will do so after checking up on my review for Donkey Kong Country. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
On it. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:01, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
On a side note, Meghan Trainor discography has been sent to FL. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 20:42, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to decline commenting on its FLC (at least for now), but wish you luck. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
@SNUGGUMS:@SNUGGUMS:I would hate to sound rude but when exactly can I expect the review for Title? All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 18:43, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
In the middle of writing it now. Should be up before the WikiDay is over. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:46, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 18:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

FAC input[edit]

Hey Snugums, how's going? Since you've done the GA review, can you participate in the FAC on Master of Puppets? I've received a media check by now, and a source review or comments on the prose would be much appreciated.--Retrohead (talk) 14:26, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Not right away, but I might be able to later this week. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:34, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Unreferenced tag[edit]

List of songs recorded by Drake Bell is unreferenced, you are correct, where would I put the sources? In front of the song titles, or...? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 02:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

They should have their own column within tables. See List of songs recorded by Thirty Seconds to Mars as an example for columns. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. I'm trying to prevent the article from being deleted. I'm sure the sources from his page or his albums or song articles would suffice. Then other sources for the unreleased songs, which many I can find. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 02:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


What did you mean by navboxes should only contain terms within the articles? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 06:25, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

See the second bullet point of WP:EXISTING; only include something when it has its own article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:30, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. I understand. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 06:32, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Sure thing :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:41, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Artist Name Change[edit]

Hi there, I manage an artist who has a new artist name but his Wiki page uses his old artist name and focuses on his career under the old name rather than his current work; what is the best way to amend this? Is it better to create a new page altogether? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorr721 (talkcontribs) 18:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

First of all, I can't exactly help unless you provide a link to the page. Secondly, please take extra caution to mainatin neutrality with article subjects you are affiliated with. Third, pages can be retitled per WP:Moving a page. Finally, remember that articles should go by what the subject is most commonly known as, which is not always the most recent name. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:20, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


I'm sad. Just sad. Sucks that for the Seth MacFarlane page my version is wrong. Actor, animator, filmmaker, comedian, singer, and songwriter, this something that actually makes sense. Television-series maker? I don't it's just that Jason guy provokes me into reverting my edits that I know are much clearer to understand. I'm not vandalzing the page and putting stuff like Seth MacFarlane is gay and sucks and South Park is superior. Just the occupations is just was provoking me man. I know you're going to reply something negative but I just thought I should let you know how I feel about this circumstance. ( (talk) 21:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC))

The reason you were reverted is because what you inserted was the same material that sock puppets of a blocked user named Atomic Meltdown previously inserted. Like JasonAQuest, I became suspicious that this was another instance Atomic was trying to evade his block. If you are not a sock, however, I apologize for this inconvenience and recommend consulting MacFarlane's talk page. It is good that you are not going around vandalizing pages. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:48, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
He's familiar with Atomic Meltdown: claims to know that he's dead.[3] -Jason A. Quest (talk) 21:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
I was linked to his page and read all this that leads to today's events. BTW, Jason I do know adults okay. ( (talk) 22:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC))


Hey there SNUGGUMS. I'm wondering if you are aware that the version of OneClickArchiver that you seem to be using has been superseded by Technical 13's[] OneClickArchiver[†] script which offers quite a few new features including the ability to toggle the archive links off, maxarchivesize detection and the ability to respect that by creating a new archive and incrementing the counter, and a bunch of other little cool things. I noticed that you seem to use the script on AN(I) a lot, and I was wondering if there is a consensus saying whether or not that is appropriate or not (I'm not criticizing and I don't really have much of an opinion one way or the other, just curious if it has been discussed). Thanks and happy archiving. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Technical 13. Not really sure how one "toggles" archive links on and off, but thanks for letting me know about the updated version. As for ANI, threads get archived sooner or later per lack of activity, and I personally have only archived those that are closed. There's no restriction on that. Regards, Snuggums (talk / edits) 08:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
  • The new version has an WP:Accesskey of alt+shft+o set or you can use the link in your interface next to move (in the more drop down in vector). Happy archiving! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc)\


Would love your inputs here. Thank You.—Prashant 13:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Declining for now, but best of luck Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Featured topic candidate[edit]

Thanks for your support on List of awards and nominations received by Lorde! Would you mind leaving some comments at this nomination? Thanks, (talk) 14:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Not right now, but maybe over the weekend Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


....Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Project advice for no movies in navboxes -- Moxy (talk) 16:40, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


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Radio 1 Madonna controversy[edit]

User ElectricFirecracker removed your deletion tag from the page prematurely. I re-added it. The user also looks like it *may* be sockpuppet. Maybe you could look into that? Partyclams (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Sock puppet or not, PROD cannot be restored once contested. It should instead be taken to AFD, or CSD if you can prove that the creator is a sock puppet of a banned/blocked user. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melanie Specht (2nd nomination)[edit]

Would you mind taking a look at this, I'm having a hell of a time with the creator of the page who is now trying to discredit anyone who chooses to delete the page. LADY LOTUSTALK 11:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing Snuggums (talk / edits) 12:26, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

WW sales or US[edit]

I was wondering. This article says "178,000 sold to date according to Neilsen SoundScan". Would that be worldwide sales or just United States? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Just United States; the article includes "on the Billboard 200" before that bit. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:41, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, okay, thanks. I was confused because Neilsen tracks other countries as well, I think. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:45, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

New question raised regarding Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request[edit]

Some opposers of this move have now contended that there is a "Critical fault in proposal evidence", which brings the opinions expressed into question. Please indicate if this assertion in any way affects your position with respect to the proposed move. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:37, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting to this sooner, but no; I still support moving "Hillary Rodham Clinton" to "Hillary Clinton". Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Aguilera talk page[edit]

Hi there

I have raised some issues on the Aguilera talk page. Your input would be greatly appreciated as I see you are a regular contributor.

Best regards CJBXT720 (talk) 09:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not exactly a "regular contributor", though it would help if you named the specific thread. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Here is the talk page in question

regardsCJBXT720 (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


In the initial AN discussion re: MF you said it wasn't right to discuss anything about a sanction until MF returned. Now you are supporting an IBAN (it would be against MF, too...not just Chase and myself) without MF being able to defend themselves or discuss anything? Makes no sense. -- WV 22:26, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Site bans are different from IBAN's. As confusing as it might seem, this was to prevent the three of you from getting into more conflicts, though I wasn't so sure if banning MF altogether was necessary. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm aware of the differences. But the one thing between the two which remains the same is MF's absence from each discussion. You wouldn't support a site ban because MF can't comment but you will support a different kind of sanction/ban against MF even though MF can't comment? Like I said: makes no sense. Your reasoning of "difference between the two" makes even less sense considering the basis of your original reasoning hasn't changed. -- WV 23:10, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
It has more to do with MF's overall history of actions than it does being able to comment. What I was saying regarding site ban is that if disruption kept up, site ban could be warranted. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Your explantion(s) still make no sense to me. I'm sure, however, that you have your reasons for why you !voted the way you did. -- WV 05:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion at Blank Space[edit]

Can you take part in a discussion at Blank Space's talk page? The thread is Talk:Blank_Space#Cover_Versions. Thank you in advance. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 02:15, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Will do. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:16, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Wayne Knight[edit]

I know, I made a mistake, I was going to undo that edit I made, because i knew the source I put in there was not a good one. But you already did it for me, thanks. FrozenFan2 (talk) 02:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Just remember to keep WP:Identifying reliable sources and WP:WikiProject Film/Resources#Questionable resources in mind when editing. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Right, the truth is, he "IS" married in real life, I just need to find a better source, the one I found was not that good. FrozenFan2 (talk) 04:12, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Yet another question[edit]

Could this information be relevant to the It's Only Time page? "While his new label was hesitant to release an album that hadn't been touched by any of its appointed producers and musicians, Bell said that it only took one song for Universal executives to be convinced it could stand on its own." It was a major-label release and none of their people touched it, so it looks like they just handled promotion and distribution. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 06:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd say yes. Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:00, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, so what section would I include it on, or just create a new one? Not entirely sure where to place this. And I would make the discussions on Drake Bell related articles on their respective talk pages, but not many people watch them. -- Joseph Prasad (talk)
This type of information is best for a "background" and/or "production" section. Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, thank you! You were definitely deserving of that barnstar. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 07:11, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Of course :), and I keep all my barnstars at User:SNUGGUMS/Awards. Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

"Know better"[edit]

All that needs to be said has been said. Joseph went further than he should have with edit warring, and is not looking to return anytime soon. I'm closing this now before it goes off into too many tangents. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:23, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I know better than to revert that much? Has past evidence suggested otherwise? I don't think so. Let's face it, after this report, I'm done. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:02, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

What I meant was you know that you shouldn't make so many reverts on an article. As BusterD said on your talk page, don't simply stop altogether just because of this. For what it's worth, a number of highly respected editors have previously gotten into similar situations as you and are quite fine today. I know it's frustrating, but don't quit now. Email me for more if you'd like. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
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I've sent a reply. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I replied back. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── SNUGGUMS, I think you should try to convince Joseph not to leave after a few days, when he's had some time to cool down. His behavior is by no means acceptable, and the fact that even now he still refuses to take responsibility for it is not promising, but he can be a valuable contributor aside from the warring and I would hate to see him go. I think that as a past mentor and friend(?) of his, you have a better chance of getting through to him than most people. –Chase (talk / contribs) 04:19, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Chase, I'm curious, why did you bring Joseph to an3 when he made no further reverts following your warning? Given there were only 2 clear reverts, I'm not convinced he realized he had violated 3RR until after the fact, and then it appeared he stopped. Personally, I typically do not bring editors to AN3 under such circumstances. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:29, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
BBMC, what difference does it make to know why Chase brought JP to AN3? He did, admins were in favor of blocking JP based on his behavior that brought the report there as well as his past behavior and record. If the report had been ignored or declined for action, I can see you asking -- but with the outcome being what it is, your comment is really just more dead-horse beating. Personally, I think a better question is why do you defend the actual trouble-makers so frequently and attempt to vilify those standing up against their poor editing choices and bad behavior? -- WV 04:37, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Winkelvi, I've seen others describe you as a "trouble maker" too and given in past I've had opportunity to take you to AN3, but did not, and instead went to your talk page to ask you to please self-revert, I would think you might think it nice to give others similar consideration. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:58, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
You've seen editors good at Wikilawyering and with axes to grind describe me as such. To try and parallel me with JP is wholly inaccurate (not to mention beyond silly) and only goes to show you haven't been paying attention and/or looked into the facts. -- WV 05:06, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Winkelvi, in my direct experience with your edits on multiple pages you seem to aggressively revert. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 05:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @BoboMeowCat: Joseph Prasad's edits were all "clear" 3RR violations; removing unsourced content is not an exemption to the rule unless it involves BLP or other legal violations as was explained to you at the noticeboard. I brought him to AN3, as stated in the report, because he continued reverting at other articles immediately after being given the warning. While he did not make any further reverts to the article he was reported for, he had at least doubled the allotted number of daily reverts there, which already should have warranted an AN3 thread. The reverts elsewhere right after being warned were just uncouth and showed he did not plan to stop his behavior. –Chase (talk / contribs) 04:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the rationale. I see this [4] but it's not clear to me what's uncouth about it, but perhaps that's because I don't know anything about the article subject, that page, or it's history.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
It wasn't the revert itself that was in poor taste, it was the fact that he launched back into an edit war right after receiving a warning that says: "Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war." And what does he do a few minutes later? Revert at the Drake Bell article despite a discussion going on at the talk page that he replied to once or twice and then abandoned before consensus was formed. –Chase (talk / contribs) 04:56, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Chasewc91, I spoke with him earlier through email and Facebook. Basically, he doesn't see himself returning anytime soon, and also has off-Wiki issues he needs to address. I advised him to spend some time focus on things other than this site. Not sure when exactly a good time will be to bring this topic up again given the circumstances, but he definitely does need time to cool down and recollect himself. I'll wait for him to reach me in the meantime. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Thought you'd like to know[edit]

...about this: [5]. I got tired of seeing the nonsense arguments at the article's talk page. The discussion going on since February was clearly not going anywhere. Perhaps you would like to notify various projects within Wikipedia about the AfD nom? -- WV 15:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Winkelvi; those irritated me as well. I don't know yet if I'll inform WikiProjects about the discussion, though. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:15, 12 May 2015 (UTC)



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RfC: Guidance on commas after Jr. and Sr.[edit]

Following the closure of a recent RfC you participated in, I have started an RfC on the separate but related issue of commas after Jr. and Sr.. Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § RfC: Guidance on commas after Jr. and Sr. and feel free to comment there. Thanks! sroc 💬 06:03, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia[edit]

Hi SNUGGUMS. I'm not sure I'm speaking to the right person. I joined Wikipedia in March and was fortunate enough to be warmly welcomed from an editor at the WP:Teahouse who directed me to the policies and so on of Wikipedia. It's taken me a few months to learn and get used to.

I have now managed to do a revamp of the article for singer Tove Lo. I need some guidance from a more experienced editor to see if I have written and sourced the article correctly. I noticed your work on Katy Perry and thought if you have time, could you perhaps look through Tove's article for me and advise me on its faults. I'd really appreciate it. Or if there is a place on Wiki which has editors that does this, please direct me to them? (I'm still very lost on here, lol!). Thank you in advance. Slay A Bit (talk) 05:21, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

From a glance, the general prose quality looks good, I see no poor sources, and the article seems fairly broad in coverage. However, the songs she wrote for others probably is better suited for the "songwriting" section, and I wouldn't go into things like tattoos. I'm not sure if her "hook up with girls on a regular basis" are needed when she hasn't had a girlfriend before. One thing to keep in mind is WP:Manual of Style/Layout for sections and subsections; remember not have them too short or too long when the article expands. Overall, a decent article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:41, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the advice. I'll remove the bit about her sexuality. Regarding the songs she's written for others, I feel as if I include it in the songwriting section it will read as one long list and would neglect the progress her career has took on. She is as involved as a songwriter (signed to Max Martin's songwriting collective), as she is a singer, so I kind of think it's crucial to reflect this in the career sections instead? Regarding the tattoo, I included it because it is very prominent part of her image - she doesn't wear tops that cover it up and I saw the very well-written Courtney Love article include bits about her tattoos. Thanks again for the tips! Is there maybe a project on Wikipedia that does checking of grammar, punctuation and so on? I think something along those lines would benefit the article's standard? Slay A Bit (talk) 06:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Happy to help. The first project for grammar and punctuation that comes to my mind is the WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors; their main focus is to improve prose quality within articles. One thing I should note is that since there is a backlog of requests that need to be done, it will likely take a while before someone accepts your request if you file one there. It might also help to consult WP:WikiProject Musicians for other bits. Regards, Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:20, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
So helpful. Thanks again. Slay A Bit (talk) 06:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi SNUGGUMS I could do with some guidance again. Do you think Tove Lo's wins at the 2015 Grammis (Swedish awards ceremony) would be lead-worthy and/or career section-worthy? I'm also a bit stuck as to whether the album's success in Sweden should be included in the lead as well. Thanks. Slay A Bit (talk) 05:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Worth mentioning in article body and lead, but doesn't warrant a separate section. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Ty! Slay A Bit (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi SNUGGUMS. Would you consider The Line of Best Fit to be a reliable source for a WP:BLP article? Slay A Bit (talk) 11:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Not exactly; look for something else Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:Overlink and tables[edit]

Can you kindly please explain to Littlecarmen about overlinking in film awards tables at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor/archive1.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 17:19, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Actually, littlecarmen is right; no need to link terms more than once within tables. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Anurag Kashyap filmography[edit]

Please if you could take a look at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Anurag Kashyap filmography/archive1. Yashthepunisher (talk) 2:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I will probably comment on it within a day or two. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

AHLR article[edit]

I continue to be amazed at how those believing the Alice Roosevelt article has merit still don't see how their edits and the article prior to their edits focus more on TR than Alice. I've been taking out the fluff and poor wording that focuses on TR more than Alice out today - we'll see how long it stands. -- WV 16:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

It saddens me how WP:BIO continues to be misinterpreted and/or disregarded *shakes head in disappointment*. There is DRV, though I'm not sure how that would go. I've noticed how one user insists on certain additions and edit wars to include them as well. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes to everything you said here. -- WV 18:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

BLP violation?[edit]

I just saw this warning you left last month. Please don't leave warnings like that except in cases where someone has added controversial information about a living person. "Controversial" information is typically defined as material that could be considered libelous if not backed by adequate sourcing, not an unreliable website used to support net worth. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

From what I've seen, net worth claims can be quite contentious, so I left that warning since WP:BLP says not to add poorly sourced information into such articles. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
The BLP policy is more focused on adding material that could defame a living person, not just facts about money that are disputed. –Chase (talk / contribs) 01:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Infobox linking RfC[edit]

Since you commented on the recent FDR infobox linking, there is a broader based RfC going on at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC concerning the infobox linking of all political offices. Please comment if it is of interest to you. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Will Smith[edit]

I really don't understand why you reverted my edit here. People named Will Smith are covered on William Smith, because some brilliant editor redirected Will Smith (disambiguation) to William Smith. I was searching for a DAB page to find Will Smith (baseball), and came to Will Smith hoping to find a simple link the correct DAB page, and thought I'd find the DAB link there. That's what I attempted to fix by adding the hatnote you subsequently removed. I fuly expect someone to remove the new hatnote for some reason, but hopefully it will stay, or we can find a solution that will direct people to the correct page without violating all the silly guidelines that are out there that make simple tasks more difficult. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Since more of instances "Will Smith" pertain to the actor than anyone else combined, I found it was unlikely to be confused with other entries. The "Will Smith" DAB page should probably be restored; there's enough for a separate page. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:01, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Your reasoning seems to have more to do with a primary topic than a hatnote. Obviously the actor is the primary topic, but per WP:HATNOTE, "Hatnotes provide links to the possibly sought article or to a disambiguation page." - BilCat (talk) 18:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm aware of what referrals are used for, though my reasoning was based on WP:NAMB, which states "In many cases it is preferable not to have a hatnote when the name of the article is not ambiguous". I don't think anybody would be looking for him by searching for "William Smith". His name is "Willard" as opposed to "William" in the first place. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
That's an argument for removing the actor from the "William Smith" DAB page. A hatnote is to direct people who search for "Will Smith" who want someone other than the actor, which is what "possibly sought article or to a disambiguation page" refers to. I understand having "William Smith" in the hatnote would be confusing, but that's where the Will Smiths are disambiguated. I'm fine with restoring the previous Will Smith (disambiguation) if that helps to alleviate confusion. - - BilCat (talk) 19:15, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
It would help to restore the "Will Smith" DAB page. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

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Mind leaving some comments? Thanks Face-smile.svg Azealia911 talk 00:21, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Not now, but might later. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:54, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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I've said all I need to say. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:23, 24 May 2015 (UTC)