BTW -- I'm fine (at least to the extent I've thought it through) with your deletion of ethnicity from a lede, per the MOS. But I would also be fine with it as it was, for a major league baseball player where the ethnicity (as there) qualifies him to play for a certain nation in the World Baseball Classic (as was the case there). I think that's in line with the MOS, which indicates that ":Context (location, nationality, or ethnicity)" should be reflected, and that "Ethnicity ... should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." The same would hold for athletes that participate in Maccabiah or the like. Best. --Epeefleche (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I think you made a mistake
I changed a part of the info of the Nicole Kidman's biography because there is an official source that says that. Kidmam reveals to a journalist that her real born name is Hokulani and she really born in Oahu Island, Hawaii. This is the source, the page is in Spanish. E! Entertainment Televisión Argentina: http://la.eonline.com/andes/2014/nicole-kidman-confeso-no-ser-australiana-ni-tampoco-llamarse-nicole-kidman/ El Espectador: http://www.elespectador.com/entretenimiento/arteygente/gente/nicole-kidman-revela-no-se-llama-nicole-articulo-491173 Waiting for your answer please about it. I just want to support Wikipedia with current information. Please correct your mistake inmedeately. Thank You. --Josuecedeno1 (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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Hello SQGibbon, I'm a newspaper reporter researching the Negroni cocktail. I see that you've deleted posts from the Negroni family (with whom I've spoken) about their alternative theory of the origins of the drink. Can you tell me why you've done so? Also, how confident are you when it comes to the Count Camillo origin? Thanks, MrkHay302 MrkHay302 (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2014 (UTC) Thanks so much for your response, SQ.
Memo for SQGibbon and Denisarona Subject: Negroni Cocktail
First of all I want to apologize for my fellow wikipedians for providing edits to the Negroni Cocktail Page that you object to. It was not my intent to provide "disruptive editing" nor to trample on the Wikipedia norms. I fully understand that the reason why I received warnings, is because I repeatedly added material, despite the objections of others. I know that Wikipedia is a collaborative enterprise, meaning that when we have disputes, we should not simply edit back and forth. I am reaching out to you to see if we can resolve this dispute. I know that Wikipedia does not know the credentials of authors, and in fact does not pay much attention to them. This is because Wikipedia relies on citations to reliable, third party sources like scientific journals, newspapers or blogs with editorial structures, books, and so on. The reason the material is being removed is because you are adding it without reference to secondary source material. With that in mind, I would like to plead my case before my fellow wikipedians.
I have great reservations regarding the person known as Count Camillo Negroni for several reasons:
1. In our family genealogical records going back to the 11th century, there no one by the name of Count Camillo (Sources: Authier, Michel et Alain Galbrun, Etat de la Noblesse Francaise Subsistance, 1940-1993, pp. 153-160; Cere, Luigi Arturo, Storia dell'illustra famiglia genovese dei Negroni, Genes, 1927; Negroni, Francois Marquis de, de Negroni de San Colombano Family Archives: Negroni, Roch Pascal Marie Cyr Marquis de, Histoire de l'Ancienne Seigneurie de San Colombano ou Capo Corso et de Capraia, Imp. Lavalloise, Laval (Mayenne), 1896, 311 pages: Pazzis, Henry de Seguins Pazzis d'Aubignam Marquis de, Genealogie de la Famille Negroni et ses Alliances, 1980, 315 page manuscript prepared as one of the requirements to become a Knight of Malta; Negroni, Hector Andres, 1938- The Negroni family : genealogical, demographic, and nobiliary study from its 11th century origins to its 20th century branches in Italy, France, and Puerto Rico Madison, AL : H.A. Negroni, , 149 pages : ill., maps ; 28 cm, Library of Congress Control Number: 98119631
2. The paper back book by Luca Picchi, Sulle tracce del conte. La vera storia del cocktail «Negroni» is nothing more than a marketing pamphlet to promote visits to Mr. Picchi's bar in Florence.
3. Despite numerous requests, Mr. Picchi has nor provided our family with birth, death or genealogical information on "Count Camillo Negroni." As a result, we can only conclude that "Count Camillo is a result of Mr Picchi's fertile imagination.
On the other hand, to support our thesis, we can provide ample genealogical information on General Pascal Olivier Comte de Negroni. He was real person with real accomplishments. Tell me what you need and I will provide the information for your examination and evaluation. Additionally, there was a newspaper reference to Pascal's invention of the Negroni cocktail (Source: “Corse Matin Sunday Edition," 2 February 1980).
As an amicable resolution to this issue I recommend that we place both theories being equal in value and let the readers make up their mind.
I can also provide you with my CV if you desire.
from john graham, is this how I correspond with you?
Thanks so much for your patience with me. I did not know about "talk pages" -- I thought I just had the few key strokes to explain myself and the entry.
The new strategy (or theory) of negotiation, INVENTIVE NEGOTIATION, is ours and is based on the integration of the ideas we cite in the entry -- Raiffa, etc. and Silicon Valley, Japan, etc., and 30 years of academic study of the phenomenon. I also guess you could say we borrowed it from the Japanese. The thinking is detailed in our new book, Inventive Negotiation.
I would assume that WIKI readers would be interested in new fundamental views about a phenomenon, but I would not expect them to know about it until they have read the new book.
As to the "undue weight criticism" -- I think I put it in the right place. Perhaps there is a better place for it on the page? New ideas, or something?
As the "undue length" -- I feel it needs the added explanation and citations because it is new, and the sources deserve credit.
As to the conflict of interest criticism, I can understand why one might conclude that my self interest/promotion motivates the entry. However, what is important here is the idea itself, not the authors. Father Gregory Boyle at Homeboy Industries, for one, would testify that this third approach saves lives. The problem with both distributive bargaining and integrative bargaining is that they do not work very well. Indeed, most people around the world focus on relationships, not transactions. The literature on negotiation in the US suffers dramatically from a dangerous, even fatal, ethnocentrism. We detail this argument in the book. But it is based on 30 years of studying how others around the world negotiate.
Now may I ask for your help here. How should I introduce a new (disruptive) idea to a Wikipedia audience? We are trying to save lives and global resources here. Please help!
- Hi John. Thankyou for starting a conversation here about your proposed addition to negotiation. This should be applauded. Please do not, however, reapply your edit before there has been discussion with other concerned editors. I.e. you should give SQGibbon some time to respond. How long should you wait? That is highly subjective, but I tend to wait between a week and a month depending on the edit. It is probably also worth pointing out that the article talk page may have been a better location for this conversation as it is easier for multiple editors to keep apprised.
- In terms of the merits of your edit, thank for being honest about your relationship with the material and the aims of your editing. Unfortunately, at this stage I do not think you should be editing on the topic of your own book. Wikipedia is not a place for promotion, advocacy, or original research, and your edit is pretty clearly all three. Really the best course of action would be to promote your book and views through other avenues. Should it receive sufficient notoriety and third party verification it will naturally come to be included in Wikipedia. If you really want to do something now, it might be acceptable for you to add a note to the negotiation talk page suggesting the coverage of "Inventive Negotiation", but you will have to make it clear that it is a reputable perspective and not just spam (e.g. detail any peer reviewed coverage of the topic that there might be).
- Anyway, I hope this helps and best of luck with your editing. Cheers Andrew (talk) 00:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Jermaine Jackson changed his name to jermaine jasksun. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jermaine-jackson-changes-last-name-to-jacksun-20130223 just due to your ignorance you cannot alter wiki pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 10:34, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand your removal of either Removed image "Sandy" points out rust on a car for an ebay advert and achieves notoriety in the press and on internet with speculation as to whether she is a sex doll or not . . .]] or the photograph of "Sandy on her day off" either of which are current examples of the subjectmatter.
You will see from http://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=54281 that the story is quite unique in its reach in the history of sex dolls and their use by photographers as posable mannequins. The ebay page received 40000 visits during the week and the story being published by major newspapers, The Daily Mail, The Mirror and The Metro in the UK and London, the image and story was seen by not merely hundreds of thousands but millions of people. It has been syndicated throughout VolksWagen dealerships also. The image of "high quality sex doll" at the top of this page is a disgusting and revolting example bringing "sex dolls" into disrepute, and whilst it might have been a fair example a few years ago, it is far outdated now, as the photos of "Sandy" picked up by the newspapers and internet sites demonstrate.
Dollist (talk) 13:36, 14 June 2014 (UTC) Thanks for your helpful and guiding comments which are noted. Very much a matter both of enthusiasm combined with, and therein the danger, knowledge garnered from the forums and personal experience of such over many years - but in that is experience which can assist in guiding the subject helpfully within appropriate standards of citations and neutrality. The files https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sandydayoff.jpg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sandyrust.jpg are now restored and in the public domain and I submit are useful (a) as a current example of a "high end" doll rather than a former generation, or as a contrast showing the development from only a few years ago, and (b) in their capacity to be used for modelling art and photography rather than as purely sex function objects. Having provided these into the public domain, perhaps can I leave it to you to consider how best they might be used most usefully within the subject?
Possibly a caption such as . . . Removed image
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I hope these images are potentially useful: "sex dolls" have moved on beyond imagination and they illustrate the new generation of posable mannequin far from that arguably deserving ridicule in the past.
Having found learned analysis http://www.ejhs.org/volume15/Bare.html about the problems of the sexual imbalance currently in China and leading to a fast emerging sex toy industry seen as a pacification of the problems caused, it seemed appropriate to introduce https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sandyrust.jpg to the page in the context of the new breed of sex-dolls that are emerging within this market in response to the demographic issue. In view of the significant visual improvement from the older generation of sex doll illustrating the top of the page, perhaps consideration might be given for this more attractive example to illustrate the article. I have used an abbreviated caption hopefully with the same sentiment of meaning implied before.
Different languages of the Sex Doll page accessible through Google Translate vary from straightforward stubs such as https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manikang_pantalik to direct translations of the page to pages with expanded sections - such as Sex Dolls in the media for instance including pop groups and in particular the Japanese film Air Doll in 2009 (from memory French and German versions) to the Czech page which is arguably imposing judgment on users of sex dolls and justifications with "Advantages" and "Disadvantages" and focusing only on Inflatable dolls without mention of Silicone dolls https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafukovac%C3%AD_panna . The page https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BAp_b%C3%AA_t%C3%ACnh_d%E1%BB%A5c features a photo with a doll tied up, mixing a BDSM connotation with sex dolls which is not universal.
Personally I find the doll example on many pages Removed image rather gross - and for that reason potentially prejudicial within the subject - but without consensus this is a subjective opinion. I do note however that the example photograph is of a 2006 model and Sandy Removed image demonstrates significant advancement of the genre over the intervening years.
Oleksiy Oliynyk / scarf hold headlock
I think it gets pretty evident that if both Oleksiy and Anthony say it was not a neck crank, it was really not a neck crank. The source we included there says so. As for calling it a scarf hold headlock, if you checked side control / kesa-gatame and Kesa-gatame, what doubt can there be? The position is explained, you get to see photos, both articles have sources... how is it not enough?Psycho-Krillin (talk) 15:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
You cannot call it a neck crank when Oleksiy says "It was not a neck crank despite what they announced". The source clearly states that. Call it simply a submission, then! Psycho-Krillin (talk) 16:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)