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The WikiProject: Good Articles Newsletter (January 2013)[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXII, January 2013[edit]

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WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter - February 2013[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIII, February 2013[edit]

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Ali page[edit]

Hi Sa.vakilian Hi

During the last few months, I had some time off, so I looked at the pages relating to Islam on wikipedia. Over the last few years, a lot of incorrect material against Islam has built up on Wikipedia. I went through thousands of books in the London School of Oriental and African Studies library and on the internet. Looked through Sunni, Shia and the Roman books from that period. There is a lot of material on Wikipedia about Islam that is totally incorrect. One just has to look at the pages "Islamic views on slavery", "Muhammad and slavery" and "Ma malakat aymanukum". Even people Muhammad cared for deeply and provided for through the Bait Al Mall charity have been presented as slaves on wikipedia. Unfortunately the Muslims on Wikipedia spend more time fighting each other and discrediting people from the early history of Islam like Ali and Abu Bakr than they do actually going through wikipedia and correcting the incorrect material on Wikipedia that is in many cases totally incorrect and against Islam. In the process, unfortunately these arguments, give Muhammad and Islam a very bad name. I looked into Ali's family and Abu Bakrs family and realised that many early Scholars like Jafar al Sadiq and Qasim his grandfather from his mother side are as much related to Ali as they are to Abu Bakr. Ali even raised Abu Bakrs son Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr. Muslims are best off showing Ali's knowledge on the Ali's page and his scholarly achievements and his character. Fights between the Shias and the Sunnis give a very bad impression of Ali, Muhammad and Islam. The same is true on all the other Islam pages. Pushing sectarian views just gives a bad impression of Islam. Many of these views are based on history books written hundreds of years after the events and are exaggerated. Even Al Tabri and Nahj al-Balagha were history book written 300 years later. People ignore the Quran but concentrate on history books that were written 300 years later. Many of the conflicts on wikipedia are over the land at Fadak. Considering the level of resistance Muhammad was having at the time, I am sure many people at the time of Muhammad would have been saying Muhammad invented a religion to enrich his family. He took away the land from the Jews in Madina and gave it to his family members. Many people these days would then have said the same. You only get a complete picture once you read through the Sunni, Shia and the Roman books from the period. It was a tragic story of the Arabs going into Syria and Iraq that had just gone through the Byzantine-Sassanid Wars. Many people in Syria and Iraq hated each other. After going in, the Arabs from the desert started getting tempted by money and wealth in Syria and Iraq. What started as a small thing of Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr showing the Egyptians the house of Authman ended with Marwan and the Kawarij manipulating every one and a huge loss of life. Cousins fighting one another. Ali had a very difficult situation on his hand. Just image what was going through the minds of Hassan and Husein. Its a very tragic story, a lesson to all of us, a choice between Money and children or God. Aisha later realised she had been manipulated. When Marwan became the governor of Madina you could see the tensions between Aisha and Marwan. Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr and Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr were both killed by the umayyads. Later there were very close links between Abu Bakrs family and Alis family. Jafar al sadiq is a result of that. Its better to make the effort and find the truth, even if it hurts ones views and is contrary to ones views. If you have some time please look at the pages "Islamic views on slavery", "Muhammad and slavery" and "Ma malakat aymanukum". Try to be more constructive. We could change the future but not the past. Send me a message on my talk page if you want to assist in improving the image of Islam on Wikipedia. Thanks --Johnleeds1 (talk) 20:30, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

You're still here![edit]

Amazing. While talk pages obviously aren't for chatting, I'll just say that I'm glad to see you're still around. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Good Article Nominations Request For Comment[edit]

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At this time, Proposal 1, 3, and 5 have received full (or close to) support.

If you have questions of anything general (not related to one specif proposal), please leave a message under the General discussion thread.

Please note that Proposal 2 has been withdrawn and no further comments are needed. Also, please disregard Proposal 9 as it was never an actual proposal.

The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Fatimah[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013[edit]

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Book by Sulaiman Nadvi[edit]

Seyyed jaan,
Can you verify that Hadhrat Ayesha Siddiqa By Allamah Syed Sulaiman Nadvi is a reliable source on Islamic history? I am doubting that. Saintali (talk) 21:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I did some Google search, the closest I could find is Seerat-e-Aisha by Sulaiman Nadvi. Saintali (talk) 08:41, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVI, May 2013[edit]

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Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

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Hi Sa.vakilian! I'm the Wikipedian In Residence at the World Digital Library, a project of the Library of Congress and UNESCO. I'm recruiting Wikipedians who are passionate about history & culture to participate in improving Wikipedia using the WDL's vast free online resources. Participants can earn our awesome WDL barnstar and help to disseminate free knowledge from over 100 libraries in 7 different languages. Please sign up to participate here. Thanks for editing Wikipedia and I look forward to working with you! SarahStierch (talk) 00:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Hey Sa! I'm so happy to see you signed up to join the project - welcome. You can dive into our to-do lists here. Be sure to watchlist your favorite to-do lists, as they will continue to grow as new content gets added to the WDL website. Also, you can always search the WDL website for something that you're interested in. And be sure to share your outcomes here. If I can help with anything just ask and welcome aboard! SarahStierch (talk) 14:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

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WikiProject Good Articles Recruitment Centre[edit]

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Hello! Now, some of you might be wondering why there is a Good article icon with a bunch of stars around (to the right). The answer? WikiProject Good articles will be launching a Recruitment Centre very soon! The centre will allow all users to be taught how to review Good article nominations by experts just like you! However, in order for the Recruitment Centre to open in the first place, we need some volunteers:
  • Recruiters: The main task of a recruiter is to teach users that have never reviewed a Good article nomination how to review one. To become a recruiter, all you have to do is meet this criteria. If we don't get at least 5-10 recruiters to start off with, the Recruitment Centre will not open. If interested, make sure you meet the criteria, read the process and add your name to the list of recruiters. (One of the great things about being a recruiter is that there is no set requirement of what must be taught and when. Instead, all the content found in the process section is a guideline of the main points that should be addressed during a recruitment session...you can also take an entire different approach if you wish!) If you think you will not have the time to recruit any users at this time but are still interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still add your name to the list of recruiters but just fill in the "Status" parameter with "Not Available".
  • Co-Director: The current Director for the centre is me (Dom497). Another user that would be willing to help with some of the tasks would be helpful. Tasks include making sure recruiters are doing what they should be (teaching!), making sure all recruitments are archived correctly, updating pages as needed, answering any questions, and distributing the feedback form. If interested, please contact me (Dom497).
  • Nominators, please read this: If you are not interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still help. In some cases a nominator may have an issue with an "inexperienced" editor (the recruitee) reviewing one of their nominations. To minimize the chances of this happening, if you are fine with a recruitee reviewing one of your nominations under the supervision of the recruiter, please add your name to the list at the bottom of this page. By adding your name to this list, chances are that your nomination will be reviewed more quickly as the recruitee will be asked to choose a nomination from the list of nominators that are OK with them reviewing the article.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. I look forward to seeing this program bring new reviewers to the Good article community and all the positive things it will bring along.

A message will be sent out to all recruiters regarding the date when the Recruitment Centre will open when it is determined. The message will also contain some further details to clarify things that may be a bit confusing.--Dom497 (talk)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXVII, June 2013[edit]

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World Digital Library-Wikimedia Partnership Newsletter[edit]

Expand Wikipedia's free knowledge with WDL resources!

Hi Sa.vakilian! Thanks for participating in the World Digital Library-Wikimedia Partnership. Your contributions are important to improving Wikipedia! I wanted to share a few updates with you:

  • We have an easy way to now cite WDL resources. You can learn more about it on our news page, here.
  • Our to-do list is being expanded and features newly digitized and created resources from libraries and archives around the world, including content from Sweden, Qatar, the Library of Congress, and more! You can discover new content for dissemination here.
  • WDL project has new userbox for you to post on your userpage and celebrate your involvement. Soffredo created it, so please be sure to thank them on their talk page. You can find the userbox and add it to your page here.
  • Our first batch of WDL barnstars have been awarded! Congratulations to our first recipients: ProtoplasmaKid, ChrisGualtieri, TenthEagle, Rhyswynne, Luwii, Sosthenes12, Djembayz, Parkwells, Carl Francis, Yunshui, MrX, Pharaoh of the Wizards, and the prolific Yster76!! Thank you for your contributions and keep up the great work. Be sure to share your article expansions and successes here.

Keep up the great work, and please contact me if you need anything! Thank you for all you do for free knowledge! EdwardsBot (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Farsi help needed[edit]

Hello Sa.vakilian, I'm contacting you because we need some Farsi translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on fa.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Farsi Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:49, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVIII, July 2013[edit]

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DYK RfC[edit]

  • As a listed GA participant, you are invited to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the question of whether Good Articles should be eligible to appear in the Did You Know? slot in future. Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Thank you in advance. Gilderien Chat|Contributions03:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Salaf[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIX, August 2013[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Non-Aligned Movement[edit]

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXXX, September 2013[edit]

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Hi[edit]

Hi, how are you? I added a picture to the article Fatimah, but there is a debate about it. Can you add your comments to the talk-page? Thanks (you can delete this message after you read it)- Zabranos (talk) 02:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCI, October 2013[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue XCII, November 2013[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Martyrs of Karbala[edit]

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GAN December 2013 Backlog Drive[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue XCIII, December 2013[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue XCIV, January 2014[edit]

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March 2014 GAN Backlog Drive[edit]

It's that time again! Starting on March 1, there will be another GAN Backlog Drive! There will be several changes compared to previous drives:

  • This drive will introduce a new component to it; a point system. In a nutshell, older nominations are worth more points than newer nominations. The top 3 participants who have the points will be awarded the Golden, Silver, or Bronze Wikipedia Puzzle Piece Trophy, respectively.
  • Unlike the December 2013 Backlog Drive, earning an additional barnstar if you reached your goal has been removed.
  • The allowance to have insufficient reviews has been lowered to 2 before being disqualified.
  • An exception to the rule that all reviews must be completed before the deadline has been created.

Also, something that I thought I would share with all of you is that we raised $20.88 (USD) for the WMF in the December 2013 drive. It may not sound like a lot but considering that that was raised just because we reviewed articles, I would say that's pretty good! With that success, pledges can be made for the upcoming drive if you wish.

More info regarding the drive and full descriptions regarding the changes to this drive can be found on the the drive page. If you have any questions, feel free to leave a message on the drive talk page.

I look forward to your participation and hope that because of it, some day the backlog will be gone!

--Dom497

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The Bugle: Issue XCV, February 2014[edit]

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GAN March 2014 Backlog Drive[edit]

The March 2014 GAN Backlog Drive has begun and will end on April 1, 2014! Sent by Dom497 on behalf of MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance[edit]

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of the article The Twelve Imams know that it will be appearing as the main page featured list on March 21, 2014. You can view the TFL blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured list/March 21, 2014. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured list directors Giants2008 (talk · contribs), Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) or SchroCat (talk · contribs), or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured list. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. Face-smile.svg Thanks! © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 04:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

@User:Faizhaider, Salam. As you see above, the list will be appeared on the main page, Thanks God. I suggested to one of the director to change the date and replace it with Amir al-Momenin's birthday (13th May). Best wishes.--Seyyed(t-c) 18:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I can change the date if you like, but May 13 is not going to be possible. That is a Tuesday, and TFL only runs on Mondays and Fridays. The 12th (a Monday) is available, but it's up to you whether you want the slot. Please let me know quickly whether you want the date change, so I can pick an alternate list for next week if necessary. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:04, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCVI, March 2014[edit]

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Source you added years ago[edit]

Salam alaikum man, this might make you laugh. Seven years ago, you added a source by Fred Astren at Islamization of Iran but there is no title or ISBN number. I am working on an article about the Abbasid Revolution now and I have a feeling whatever that book is, it would probably be valuable. Do you by chance remember that book you once used as a source on that article you might not remember seven years ago? :D MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Never mind bro, I found it here. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCVIII, May 2014[edit]

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Jafar Panahi[edit]

Hello, A while back I was working on the Jafar Panahi page. As far as I know there is no full biography on Panahi so the article is a bit limited. The one section in the article that was already very large when I started working on it and that I have not significantly contributed to relates to his political imprisonment beginning in 2010. In my opinion this section needs a lot of work and clarification. I am not sure if all of the information is up to date and accurate and am concerned that it may currently be misleading. I was hoping that either you or someone in the Iran project could take a look at the article and make sure that it is currently accurate. Thanks, --Deoliveirafan (talk) 01:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Unfortunately, I don't have enough information to help you ;-)--Seyyed(t-c) 14:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
OK. Is there somewhere else on the Iran project page that you could recommend for me to request help on this issue? Thank you.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 01:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I do not know. You can ask on the talk page of the Iran Wikiproject.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:36, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Wahhabism and ISIS[edit]

I have moved my response to you here from Mhhossein's page, as I didn't want to clutter her page up! I don't mind you intervening at all, every contribution is welcome. Basically I only copy-edit in Wikipedia, though I do check footnotes quite a lot (presently wading through the ISIS ones as you will see from the View History pages!). I haven't looked at the references in the ISIS article yet that are supposed to support the Wahhabism claim, mainly because I have steered clear of the subject as well beyond my expertise and knowledge. As I am cleaning up the footnotes in the ISIS article, I will have a look at this now, and those that don't support I will tag. As for the other article, on Wahhabism, what you say doesn't surprise me. Quite a lot of Wiki article footnotes don't support claims in the text, and this can go unnoticed and unrectified, sometimes for years, in my experience, going by the retrieval dates. Doubtless readers who do notice just say, "Well, it's Wikipedia, what can you expect?" Depressing. I think I had better not get into the whys and wherefores of ISIS's links with Wahhabism, but thanks for the information you gave. --P123ct1 (talk) 15:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

PS So it was you who added the Kharijites part, was it? I seem to remember whoever it was had to fight to get it in, and it's still there!
-P123ct1; Yes. I provided sources which have accused ISIS for Kharijite beliefs. Surprisingly, some of them are Salafi themselves. Of course, ISIS does not accept it due to extremely negative connotation of this title. In addition, I think you should start a discussion in the talk page of the article and ask those who believe ISIS is Wahhabi to provide reliable source for this claim. --Seyyed(t-c) 17:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Seyyed I might do that, after I recover from the exhausting battle I have been having with editors, two in particular, over exactly how to call ISIS a "terrorist" organization in the article. You say ISIS don't accept being called Kharijite and having looked at the Kharijite Wiki article I can see why. There is another question I have wondered about. Why don't ISIS like the "Daesh" name? They take that as an insult as well. Do you know why? (I might add your answer to the text, if you have a reference for it, or I could find one, if I knew exactly how to spell that word, or acronym, in English, there are so many variants.) --P123ct1 (talk) 17:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't know why they dislike Daesh. --Seyyed(t-c) 18:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Islamic State and ISIS[edit]

On another point, I notice you speak Arabic, so perhaps you can help answer a question which is proving to be a bone of contention between me and another editor, who can speak Arabic (I can't). It's on the same article, ISIS, which I've noticed you have edited as well. What do ISIS now call themselves, "The Islamic State" or "Islamic State"? I haven't trawled through all the footnotes, but notice there are discrepancies in some of the articles in English. I came across a translation from the Arabic in one footnote (you click on a link for the English) and it says "Islamic State" without the "The". My adversary (!) insists the translation should be "The Islamic State" and Werldweyd(sp?) I notice once said the translation from the Arabic is "The Islamic State". I noticed there was once an unresolved dispute about this in the al-Baghdadi article as well. I do know "al" means "the", but beyond that I know nothing. What is the correct name, do you know? It would be nice to straighten this out as the ISIS article is hopelessly at sea on this, both versions are dotted throughout it. --P123ct1 (talk) 15:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

الدولة الاسلامية means The Islamic State, however using capital letters for Islamic State in English may solve the problem as well. What's your idea?--Seyyed(t-c) 17:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by using capital letters for Islamic State. Sometimes the press says, for example, "The new group, Islamic State ...", and sometimes, "The new group, the Islamic State ...", but obviously never "The new group, The Islamic State ...". In view of what you say, I think it should be called "the Islamic State" in the article's text, but "The Islamic State" in headings and infoboxes. That is useful information I can quote if necessary if people dispute changes. Thanks. --P123ct1 (talk) 18:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
In my view, it is not important at all.--Seyyed(t-c) 18:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I am surprised you say that. This is an encyclopaedia, after all. Good encyclopaedias are pretty rigorous about things like this. --P123ct1 (talk) 22:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Seyyed: عصر به خیر this editor P123ct1 obviously is incompetent to distinguish between Arabic and Farsi. And to P123ct1, be advised that I certainly don't cut people heads off. Your two-faced underhanded statement(s) about me are racist and a violation of WP:PA. Back off already! Worldedixor (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Seyyed: I have removed my ill-advised joke from my earlier comment here. I meant no harm by it. I am sorry you were drawn into this. --P123ct1 (talk) 07:59, 2 August 2014 (UTC) ]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Seyyed: I think I understand now why you didn't think it mattered whether it was "the Islamic State" or "The Islamic State". I don't think Arabic makes the distinction in names of organisations, publications, etc between "the" and "The". In English a big fuss is made of this (as I know from my former employment). For example, one newspaper is called "The Times", never the "Times", and another is called "The Daily Telegraph", never the "Daily Telegraph". So I don't think it matters whether the ISIS article calls it "The Islamic State" or "the Islamic State", as you said, but there will need to be consistency in the article, one or the other, and I will handle that. --P123ct1 (talk) 14:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hadith of Mubahala[edit]

Salam alaikum Seyyed, I decided not to buy a new computer yet so I will still edit in sha Allah but at a slower pace. Would you still like some commentary and help with improving the article? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Alaikum Salam, I worked on ISIS and some others articles during these days. I am busy at work, university, family life, etc. however, God willing I will try to return to that article.--Seyyed(t-c) 17:54, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Walaikum as salam, I noticed that your "email this user" function doesn't seem to be working, or has a dated email address. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Let's Improve The Fourteen Infallibles[edit]

Salam Alaykom seyyed. I'm going to improve the The Fourteen Infallibles, hence I've prepared a new background in my sub-page, which is a combination of the old back ground and recently gathered materials by me. But, unfortunately, I don't know which parts should be omitted because outcome is a rather long text consisted of 6 paragraphs !. Please help by omitting unnecessary parts. By the way, a another editor has proposed his own essay on this issue which should be considered along with the above materials. Thanks Mhhossein (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Alayko Salam. Sorry, I am too busy this week. God willing I will join in the cumming week. God bless you. Best. --Seyyed(t-c) 04:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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Consult[edit]

​ I have recently encountered an aggressive editor who insults me and my religion and makes personal attacks, and I would like your advice on how to handle this, please.

1- here, this editor, Andres Feder, insisted on insulting religion by repeating the phrase "degenerate religious thinking", and here by referring to “all religious fiction” and saying that "all religious texts are fictional", even when I told him that Wikipedia does not care what our beliefs are. He further insulted me by saying, "You can believe in whatever figments of imagination you want!", after which I warned him and asked him to respect the beliefs of others.

2- He always pretends that I am upset because of the policies, but I try to respect the policies and his behavior has irritated me.

​ -Me: "This is the last time you are insulting my beliefs, I respect yours so please respect mine." [1]

- Editor: "If these policies cause you offence, you are free to set up your own wiki and use any sources you want there". [2]

-Me: "Of course We are not talking about the policies. The policies are highly required for maintaining an encyclopedia. This is you who causes offense to one's beliefs." [3]

3- The editor tries to use insulting sentences and examples even when we are discussing something else. When I asked "Lightbreather" to guide me on this, Feder came in and said " Not to support the Iranian dictatorship or any other church-state".[4]

Or here he used this example which is in fact an insult to Khomeini: "According to Ayatollah Khomeini, God likes sick-minded and deranged forms of punishment"[5]


4-I tried to solve the problem through his talk page, but he made more attacks and removed exchanges:[6] There he said, "you expect me to respect someone who everyone knows was a deranged madman?" (referring to the Iranian Ayatollah Khomeini).

5- You gave him another request to be polite, but he removed that message, too: [7]

6- Some other insults are here: [8]

What can I do for this? Please help me solve this problem. Mhhossein (talk) 19:21, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Rest assured, your behavior irritates me too. For instance, here where you imply that my cleaning up the Arba'een article could be counted as "vandalism". False accusations of that kind are a well-known symptom of a problem editor: [9]. My goal is to have an encyclopedia with reliable, serious information - if that is your goal too, you shouldn't have any problems with my edits.--Anders Feder (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Anders Feder: Read that again carefully and you'll see that there it is mentioned that I don't account your edits as vandalism and I assume your good faith. why can't you understand sources or policies are not being discussed here, we are addressing your behavior toward others. Mhhossein (talk) 03:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@Mhhossein: Read that again carefully and you'll see that there I didn't write that you "accounted" my edits as vandalism. I wrote that you said you could. Which you couldn't, because it wasn't vandalism by any stretch of imagination, regardless of whether you thought it was in bad faith or not. Why can't you understand that behaving properly is as incumbent upon you as it is on everyone else.--Anders Feder (talk) 03:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@Anders Feder:; You remind me the old days of 2006-2007, when I was younger and had many challenges here in wikipedia. Non of my old friends and opponents are not active today. By the way, while you have correct understanding of the policies, your aggressive approach bother the others. You completely, violate Wikipedia:Etiquette, particularly Wikipedia:Civility. I warn we do not tolerate such manner in wikipedia.--Seyyed(t-c) 11:00, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Warn away to your heart's content. I see I have been around longer than you have, and am dismayed to see how various groupings such as your own have consolidated areas of Wikipedia for pushing propaganda in place of encyclopedic content. The basic idea seems to be to post so much dubious content that good-faith editors eventually stop bothering trying to rectify it.--Anders Feder (talk) 11:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I am happy to meet someone who is active here longer than me and completely aware of the policies. Please clarify where and when I propagate ideas in wikipedia. As you can see in my contributions, I have always asked people with different viewpoints to participate to make better article based on a broader consensus. You can examine my approach in Hezbollah article when trying to make it Good article by collaboration with the Jews and Sunnis. You just blame the others who are disagree with you and attack them without providing evidence for your claims. At least, you can see if I wanted to propagate here I could do it here[10].
No, I don't. You are the one blaming me for disagreeing with you without providing evidence for your claims. If you have done good work in the past, that isn't reflected in how you are responding to me here.--Anders Feder (talk) 00:19, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

@Mhhossein and Anders Feder: I read your discussions from the beginning in the Talk:Arba'een to check the Etiquette. Let's suppose Anders Feder is right. However, you use negative prejudice, as if you are certain that Mhhossein wants to propagate his religious views. You could use polite manner instead of saying "teachings which are all religious fiction"[11] and [12]. You completely neglected most of Wikipedia:Civility. You could have said, "I disagree with you about the religious ideas and teachings and Wikipedia does not consider religious texts as reliable academic sources." When you attacked directly to all religious ideas instead of what is necessary for the article, then Mhhossien was obliged to defend them [13]. At this time, the discussion was far from what could improve the article. Wikipedia is not a forum to attack or defend any religion.[14][15] Mhhssien, repeatedly reminded you that the issue is not the validity of the religious ideas but it is the reliability of the sources.[16] Then I entered, and showed you how a constructive discussion can solve the problem and you accepted.[17] As you see in this case, your etiquette lead to controversy instead of consensus building. --Seyyed(t-c) 00:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Please, do tell me by which policy or guideline Mhhossein was "obliged" to defend any political or religious view. I am very very interested to learn of it.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
@Mhhossein and Anders Feder: When you changed the issue from discussion about the article to discussion about the religious teaching, it is a natural reaction. I do not want to support his manner and a professional editor should avoid such discussions. You see, your manner is very good trick to mislead the other editors and have led to controversy many times.--Seyyed(t-c) 01:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
No, I don't see that at all. When was the last time you had a chat with Mhhossein about his manners, by the way?--Anders Feder (talk) 01:20, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I guess you try to change the issue as if the problem is Mhhossein's manner. He might misunderstand WP:NPOV and WP:Reliability but he did not violate Wikipedia:Civility as you did frequently. In my view, he could act more cleverly so you could not disturb him. --Seyyed(t-c) 01:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not changing the issue at all. I am telling you what the issue is.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
@Anders Feder:The issue is violation of Wikipedia:Civility by you.--Seyyed(t-c) 01:32, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
No, it isn't.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
@Sa.vakilian:Of course it is. I reminded this to Anders Feder and told him what the real reason of my concern is [18]. Mhhossein (talk) 03:43, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
@Mhhossein:No, it isn't - no matter how many times you say it. As I've told you repeatedly, I have not attacked any religion - rather, you have chosen to be offended that your religion is not a reliable source.--Anders Feder (talk) 04:56, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
@Anders Feder: Your previous recorded behavior explicitly shows whether you attacked or not, let the world judge it! Mhhossein (talk) 05:09, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
@Mhhossein:I agree!--Anders Feder (talk) 05:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Ali article[edit]

Hello Sa.vakilian, thank you for your response on the Ali talk page. I have read it and will reply in due course when my current work is finished. Regards

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Request for checking persian wiki[edit]

Hello Seyyed. With regards to a proposed merger of the muslim holiday articles Mid-Sha'ban/Barat Night, I found that only the Persian Wikipedia has two separate articles as well. Since you speak Persian and are described on the Iran-Wikiproject as an expert in Iranian islamic matters, I would like to ask if you could please check the two Persian articles (Mid-Sha'ban and Barat Night). Do they describe the same subject like on the English Wikipedia or is there really a difference? Thanks! HyperGaruda (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Aggravating news[edit]

I've seen the many images you uploaded to Wikipedia, and which were subsequently migrated over to Commons. I fully concede that you thought you were doing the right thing: Sajed.IR did (and still does) state that all its content is available under the GFDL.

Unfortunately, the people running Sajed.IR did such a slipshod job of maintaining the necessary provenance details that it's impossible to tell whether or not they actually had the copyright to any of the images, and therefore whether the release was legitimate. (And in fact, on at least one occasion, they "released" photos that were actually owned by the BBC.)

So we can't trust Sajed.IR's statements that their content is GFDL-available, and thus all the images you uploaded because you thought they were free, have to be deleted. You can still re-upload Sajed-sourced images as non-free, though. DS (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: Hello, the issue relates to several years ago and I was not aware of this problem at that time. I have not uploaded any file in recent years. I agree with you about Sajed.ir; however, some of the photos were taken more than 30 years ago and therefor they are in public domain according to the Iran's copyright law. --Seyyed(t-c) 02:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Could you post that comment on the deletion request, then? Thanks. DS (talk) 02:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 06:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

who is called sunni?[edit]

Recently i have started editing on Shia–Sunni relations. There is an issue. At this article, a wahhabi muslim had been considered as sunni muslim and concludes that the Shia and Sunni don't have good relations, but in fact shia and wahhabi muslims don't have good relations. I think that should make a difference between sunni and wahhabi, because at recent years we see unity between shia and sunni in many muslim countries.

For example, we see this sentence at that article :"Some tension developed between Sunnis and Shia as a result of clashes over Iranian pilgrims and Saudi police at the hajj". This tension was happened between shia and wahabbi muslim no shia and sunni.

This is my honor that you help me. Thanks.Savior59 (talk) 06:52, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@User:MezzoMezzo, Salam Alaykum, can you please help me with this question. From one view point, all of those who consider the Rashidun as legitimate Islamic rulers are Sunnis. This definition even contains Mutazilis. From the other view Sunnis follow particular schools of theology and Fiqh which are considered by Wahhabis as Bid'ah. On the other side Shias tolerate traditional Sunni schools and live with them peacefully in most areas, while they do not consider Wahhabis as Sunni and have negative view towards them. --Seyyed(t-c) 03:54, 2 May 2015 (UTC)