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Do you still have access to Lexis? I've got an article to improve (I'm feeling impish) and I suspect that most of the sources will be available via nexis. Protonk (talk) 23:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

@Protonk:Sent you an email. Certainly can get the resources, Sadads (talk) 23:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

The Mauritius Command, themes[edit]

Themes section was already there, so I added a sentence. What sort of source would be a good reference for themes? My first inclination was to delete the section, not having a source, and unsure that the more public role of Maturin as a political advisor, not rated surgeon for any vessel (though doing plenty of medical work in the long, long months) was truly a theme. It is good to know you could be a source! And I would quote you, if you gave me the citation. Better to delete, or keep hoping a source might appear? --Prairieplant (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@Prairieplant: Critical reviews in newspapers, editorially controlled websites, or academic publications would be the appropriate sources for themes sections. For example, see Quicksilver (novel), The French Lieutenant's Woman, Regeneration (novel) or Divergent (novel) for themes sections drawing on different sources. The tags are more to encourage others in expanding with sources, rather than as a direct appeal to you to fix it. Those sections have been bugging me for years, and I really need to start publishing my work on the novels in the series.As for deleting them, I don't normally delete sections until I have something to replace them with: poor material is better than no material.Sadads (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Here are some sources I found:
Hope those help, Sadads (talk) 05:46, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Also, Sadads (talk) 06:28, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Oh, you found Publishers Weekly. I added that to Literary Significance section. Already had Kirkus Reviews, done near time of original printing, and two quite different views from those sources. I tried putting Jo Walton in Themes as the Clonfert personality is a big focus; should that be in Lit. Sig.? I cannot access the Simmons piece until I work through my library. The writing in Themes for French Lieutenant's Woman is perhaps beyond my abilities, so I do hope you publish what you have soon enough, and it can be used! I will leave Themes so it can be improved, good notion. Article is getting less messy. Wishing the person who cited Binyon's review would have taken a quote. I put a comment in the Edit text. Thanks for so many leads and comparisons. --Prairieplant (talk) 07:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Sadads![edit]

Thanks for your comment on my page about Divergent. I am considering an education project for the Spring of 2015 for Children's Literature. My wife (who also teaches on my campus) is running one for SF now and it seems to be going well. HullIntegrity (talk) 15:03, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll respond on your talk page to keep it all in one place. Sadads (talk) 20:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Survey for editors who mentor newcomer[edit]

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Washington, DC meetups in June[edit]


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Wikimedia DC has yet another busy month in June. Whether you're a newcomer to Wikipedia or have years of experience, we're happy to see you come. Here's what's coming up:

  • On Wednesday, June 11 from 7 to 9 PM come to the WikiSalon at the Cove co-working space. Hang out with Wikipedia enthusiasts!
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  • Last but not least, on Sunday, June 29 we have the Phillips Collection Edit-a-Thon in honor of the Made in America exhibit.

Wikipedia is better with friends, so why not come out to an event?


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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Great presentation at WikiCon USA today. I look forward to lending a hand and spreading the word - re: DH working group. I did a workshop and presentation yesterday at the University of MD to a feminist DH group (FemTech and FemBot folks) and I think that would be a big big hit! SarahStierch (talk) 16:50, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 6[edit]

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Hello Sadads, what's involved in being an online volunteer for the WP Library course? Tell me more about this :) – SJ + 00:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

@SJ: I haven't written up any online-volunteer documentation, but it will be similar to the role of Wikipedia:Education program/Ambassadors described via the education program page, except we should expect much higher traffic from the students throughout the semester (because they will be doing something like 150 hours of editing in most cases). Make sure that you have the education extension rights via the apply process referenced there. The main purpose would be to watch their edits, and make sure that they aren't practicing anything too disruptive, and/or helping with hairy conversations in the community. I am in the process of reaching out to librarians that we know to find out if we have any takers on the program. Also, we are going to advertise it at the national librarians conference, so imagining we will have a few of those advertised too buy in, Sadads (talk) 15:37, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I added the user right for you, Sadads (talk) 15:40, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
@SJ: And I didn't realize that you had already added yourself to the course...had to add the whole course to my watchlist. I am hoping that we can get something like 5-10 interns minimum that we know about. (There are already a few in New York, and I think I can get at least one here at K-State)! Sadads (talk) 16:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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BNA archive[edit]

Hi Alex. I've just created the BNA sub-page "Experiences and feedback", but not sure if it worked. This is what I said:

For my first foray into the BNA archive I started with something simple - Rosebush, Pembrokeshire, an article I've been working on recently. I was rewarded with 34 results, including news of a murder, railway planning and operation, archaeological discussions about bluestones, land disputes and local landowners. The search results were very readable, and simple to download for looking at later. This is exactly what I had hoped from this project, so thanks to User:Sadads for making it possible.
All the best, Tony Holkham (talk) 20:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
@Tony Holkham: Worked great! Responded on the page! Sadads (talk) 14:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

OA for Writing Class?[edit]

Hi Sadads! I am looking for two online ambassadors to help with a course I'm teaching in the Education program. More specifically, I'm hoping to find a few ambassadors who can review student proposals for possible edits and sources from July 25th to July 30 and then review article drafts from July 30 to August 11. I'm working on putting the full schedule up on the course page but those would be the main duties of the ambassadors involved. Think you'd be interested?

@Matthewvetter: I added myself and shoupd be able to help during that time. I'll send you an email too so you have my contact info, Sadads (talk) 20:31, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
@Sadads: Hi Sadads, I'm having students post project proposals (a brief outline of what article they're planning on developing and some preliminary research) this Friday the 25th. I'll split up the students into three groups for each ambassador. You'll each have around 6 proposals to review by the 30th. My plan was to have them post to your talk page, unless you want to create a separate talk page? Let me know and thanks again for all your help.Matthewvetter (talk) 03:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
@Matthewvetter:Good idea: I saw that most of your students had posted on pages already, many of them look like good articles to be revising. Can you make sure that I have the October Sky editor: I specialize in literary and cultural text articles, so can give better and more specific advice on those and biographies. Also, I would be interested in the Moonshine article (am a bit of a homebrewer and worked on the The Wettest County in the World article a while back). Sadads (talk) 14:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Regeneration (novel)[edit]

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BNA acces email[edit]

Hi Sadads. I've already registed at BNA and completed the Google doc thing. Was the message you left me on my talkpage boilerplate, or might something have gone wrong? Formerip (talk) 18:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@FormerIP:: It looks like you didn't submit the form then, I don't have your user name on record. Could you please resubmit the Google form? Thanks much, Sadads (talk) 13:42, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

The Great American Wiknic and other events in July[edit]

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I am pleased to announce our fourth annual picnic, the Great American Wiknic, will take place at Meridian Hill Park in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, July 13 from 1 to 5 PM (rain date: July 20). We will be hanging out by the statue of Dante Alighieri, a statue that was donated to the park in 1921 as a tribute to Italian Americans. Read more about the statue on Wikipedia. If you would like to sign up for the picnic, you can do so here. When signing up, say what you’re going to bring!

July will also feature the second annual Great American Wiknic in Frederick, Maryland. This year’s Frederick picnic will take place on Sunday, July 6 at Baker Park. Sign up here for the Frederick picnic.

What else is going on in July? We have the American Chemical Society Edit-a-Thon on Saturday, July 12, dedicated to notable chemists, and our monthly WikiSalon on Wednesday, July 16.

We hope to see you at our upcoming events!


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BNA google login[edit]

Hi, got your message last week...looked for your mail, it must be deeper in my inbox than I've found so far; I have a login issue with my google account, after a blackout recently my computer's internal clock is stuck on 10-11 am May 18 and so it bugger up the security certificates on google sites. Not a virus, maybe the motherboard battery needs replacing, still haven't figured it out. I'll get to a web cafe and login there and find that mail, thanks for the reminder.Skookum1 (talk) 01:25, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Skookum1: Sorry I didn't respond quicker: sent a second copy of the email. Hopefully that works, Sadads (talk) 13:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
thanks, just checked on my phone's gmail, I got it, but will have to get to a web cafe to fill out the googledoc.......somewhere beating my head against the wall and living with it about my google login problem, says there may be another computer on my network and/or the security certificate isn't valid.....I've been thinking of replacing the battery on my motherboard, but that might not even be the problem...malware searches haven't found anything, so I'm stumped; there's nothing on google's support pages about this, other than useless state-the-obvious repetition of the "can't load page" message.Skookum1 (talk) 07:06, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
@Skookum1:Thats an unfortunate situation, I hope it works out, 14:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
@Skookum1: If worse comes to worse, you can send me a an email with your email, name, and user name after you have followed the rest of the registration instructions, Sadads (talk) 14:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

BNA Access[edit]

Hello Alex I'm just enquiring about the status of my application since I neither have access or a listing on the approved accounts. I've filled out the google form. Is it just a case of waiting or has something gone awry? Thanks Fraggle81 (talk) 10:26, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, please disregard my last message as I now have access. Fraggle81 (talk) 11:15, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I already had an email setup in my Preferences, but have now also enabled: "Enable email from other users" Snori (talk) 08:21, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

@Snori: Thanks for enabling the email other users option. Expect an email soon, Sadads (talk) 11:43, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks, Sadads! I hadn't done a search before my request. I will soon... and will tell you about its results. Best! --Correogsk or Gustavo (Editrocito or Heme aquí) 22:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

@Correogsk: Brilliant! looking forward to seeing what you think, Sadads (talk) 12:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Sadads - you wrote: Most of the news covered by Keesings is major current events in the political, social, and scientific, post-1930. Based on your description and editing history: are you sure this would be of use to you? See description at jcsonline, Sadads (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I have three works in progress that have a world-wide scope, and Keesings will prove to be a very beneficial resource for me. AtsmeConsult 14:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Keesings signup[edit]

Hi Sadad. I've tried to sign up, following your email but no luck; maybe I've missed the location of instructions? When you go to Keesings' main page ([1]), as linked from Wikipedia:Keesings, there is no option I can see for any "free" signup, à la the email instruction of "Once you have completed the free registration of the account, please fill out the following Google form:". The only option is to click "signup" there, which takes you here. At that page when I try to enter information, agree to the terms and enter, it just returns me back to the unfilled out page whence I started. So the only way forward I can is to choose among the three paid options ("Please select which of the 3 levels of access to Keesing's World News Archive you require from the options below:"), so I did and apparently signed up, and then filled out the Google docs form but I've received nothing in response (though it hasn't been that long). The whole thing is very opaque. Maybe I will receive an email with a new password or something, and did it right, but even if I did there should be some instruction page; it is far from clear.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:04, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey @Fuhghettaboutit: Sorry, about the sign up: you should not pay for anything. The wording in the email was a little opaque, and I will certainly revise it. I sent another email without the account information. If you have any other concerns, feel free to respond to the email I sent this morning, Sadads (talk) 13:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


Many thanks for giving me access to this resource. Jack1956 (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Glad to help @Jack1956: we like to make sure users that will use it find access! Sadads (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

RSJ Access[edit]

Hi Sadas, I was informed that I had been approved for access to Royal Society Journals. Any idea when the access details would be intimated? AshLin (talk) 05:28, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Ashlin. Sorry that they haven't been activated yet. We are still working with RSUK to make it happen, we will send you information when it becomes available. Sadads (talk) 19:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. AshLin (talk) 20:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

BNA request[edit]

I do contribute/create to pages related to anglican clergy and church building many of whic are historical and pre 1950. BNA access would be helpful to me. many thanks Wayne Jayes (talk) 16:39, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your message about the BNA. My account is up and running. I am currently updating some of my existing articles with references taken from BNA pages. I am also trawling the archive for background information for a number of articles that I have in the pipeline. Once again many thanks for the BNA subscription, it is a fantastic research archive. (A. Carty (talk) 19:18, 18 July 2014 (UTC))

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BNA acces[edit]

Thank you for accepting me for BNA access, I have not heard anything further, perhaps I missed the email/message with login details. Perhaps you could explain how I access the BNA, many thanks Wayne Jayes (talk) 10:37, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@Waynejayes: It appears that was a clerical error on my part. I just sent you an email with access information, Sadads (talk) 15:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, got the email, did both forms. Wayne Jayes (talk) 19:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@Waynejayes: Great! I will send them a batch of users to activate within the next couple days. Expect access to be activated sometime in the next week (I will send another email), Sadads (talk) 19:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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ZackaryMullikin Ambassador Proposal[edit]

First, I want to say thank you for agreeing to become one of our ambassadors. You are a giant help to the class. For this project I am currently looking at working on three Wikipedia articles. These three articles are Holy Ghost People (1967 Film), Highland County,and Appalachian Mountains. The talk pages for all of these articles are completely empty with the exception being Appalachian mountains which has a few entries but is essentially dead.

For the Holy Ghost People (1967 Film) page I am just looking to fill it out a little more. The main things I plan on doing to the page are watching the movie online and writing out a plot section. I'm also hoping to add a legacy section and talk about the impact the movie has had and possibly how it's contributed to how people of Appalachia are presented in film. I need to find some more sources to do this though.

  • I think this will be the easiest for you to find more sources for. Make sure that you are finding references to the classic film, not the contemporary 2013 one, Sadads (talk) 16:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I plan on updating and creating a few things on the Highland County page. Some of the census information is from the 2000 census and so I plan on updating that. After looking at a couple of other county wikipedia pages I realized that there was no lakes, rivers, or state parks section. Hopefully, I will be able to add that in along with list of the school districts in the county.

  • Could you expand the article in other directions which require a bit more research into the local history? What businesses, historical sites, parks, etc are in the area? What makes this town notable for individuals not familiar with it?Sadads (talk) 16:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

My plan for the [Appalachian Mountains] page is to create a list of the sub-ranges. This was something that was suggested on the [Wikiproject Appalachia] page. I may go through the page and see if anything needs updated or edited.

  • You will have a lot of work with the other two, especially if you build the pages from academic sources in databases. Generally, its harder for students to add content to such broad swath pages. I think the list will be useful, Sadads (talk) 16:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I do have one question for you. Would using something like Google Maps be a good enough source to cite something? Like if I wanted a source/reference to prove that something was in Highland County would I be able to use Google Maps? Below is my annotated bibliography. Like I say below, some of these sources are not "good" sources but they are just starting blocks. When I am finished I am expecting to have used lots of good references. Once again, thanks for everything!

  • No Google is not a good source. I would recommend trying to find an USGS or park system discussion. Also, try checking out some geography books on the ranges in Google Books or library, Sadads (talk) 16:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Annotated Bibliography

Holy Ghost People

"Q&A with ‘Holy Ghost People’ director Mitchell Altieri." St. Louis Examiner (MO) 06 Mar. 2014: NewsBank. Web. 23 July 2014.

- This source is an interview with Mitchell Altieri, the director of the new ""Holy Ghost People"". In this interview he talks about how much an inspiration the first movie was to him as they were creating the remake. There isn't a ton of useful stuff here but there are a couple of things I could use when talking about the legacy and lasting impact of the film

  • This is the best source you have pulled. I would suggest spending some more time trying to find reviews for the movie from other sources. To find more, I would try searching EBSCOHost, JSTOR, Projec Muse, and other newspaper archives you have access to (see Also, should have possible resources.

Highland County

"Census of Population and Housing 2010." Census of Population and Housing. United States Census Bureau, n.d. Web. 22 July 2014. <>.

- This is a reference I stole from the Highland County Wikipedia page. I am using the 2010 information in order to update some of the demographics information and possibly adding some more information to it.

This is a starting source. I would definitely look a bit further for information, if I were you, 16:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

"Highland County, Ohio (OH)." Highland County, Ohio detailed profile. N.p., n.d. Web. 19 July 2014. <>.

- This is actually a really poor source. I'm using it as a starting point for looking up lakes, rivers, and state parks. In the future I plan on finding the "state websites" for each of these places and using those as my references but for now this is what I have.

I would suggest seeing if you can find the sources for this information. This source doesn't meet WP:RS Where could you find out more?Sadads (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia. Wikimedia Foundation, n.d. Web. 22 July 2014. <>.

- This is my starting point for all the school districts in Highland County. I may go back and use each school's website as my reference/source.

  • I am betting that you can find more information from a non-profit or academic researcher on the quality of the schools, etc. Try a database search with your library, Sadads (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Appalachian Mountains

"Regions, Ranges, & Subranges." Regions, Ranges, & Subranges -, n.d. Web. 21 July 2014. <>.

- This also is not the most accredited source but I believe it is a good starting point. Finding websites for each of the sub-ranges may be harder than finding state park websites though. I am using this as my base list of sub-ranges.

  • What organizations are responsible for keeping track of this information? Would the national park services or state park service do a better job? This site definitely doesn't meet WP:RS.

ZackaryMullikin (talk) 05:26, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

@ZackaryMullikin: Hey Zach, I have some comments for you directly in response to individual items above. Generally, I have a few reservations about editing the Appalachian Mountains page: make sure that you are providing useful references and information not already covered there. Generally students have a harder time editing larger pages . Also, I am a bit concerned that all of your sources are websites: you are at a university with a very large research library; it would be much better to choose more Newspaper and/or academic sources in one of your databases that have been through more editorial control. Make sure that they meet that CRAPP test mentioned in your Googlepedia readings. Also, try for academic sources, Sadads (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Allyleah817 Ambassador Proposal[edit]

The first article I was going to help develop more is the Vinton County, Ohio Wikipedia page. The article has a lot of information already but there is still a lot of room for improvement. I looked up the Wikipedia page for the county I grew up in (Warren County, Ohio) because I knew that this would have a pretty developed page. The main thing that I saw that the Warren County page had that the Vinton County page did not was the Communications section, which includes the post offices, telephone services, and other services offered to the area. I found a lot of really great sources from the Vinton County Commerce website for this. I also found a lot of information on ‘tourism’ in the area and different services that are offered like emergency services, utilities, civic organizations, and local media. Some other sources I found have main facts about the area and I also found a list of zip codes for the county which the Warren County page did include in the article.

I have already started working on the article in my sandbox, User:Allyleah817/sandbox. The following sections are the sections that I have added or edited on the article: Communications section, Emergency Services subheader, Utilities section, Education section, and I added the tourism header but I haven’t added anything under it yet. I found that the Wikiproject for Appalachia listed the Cove Hardwood forest under what needed to be improved upon and it doesn’t have an article at all. I am planning on working on this article if I cannot meet the word requirement for the project with the Vinton County, Ohio article. I found one really good source that I want to use for the article, it’s from the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission and it gives a really nice table of the common animals found in the area and a lot of really good information and maps to include into the article. Because there is no article for this topic there is no talk page and there is obviously a huge gap.

Annotated Bibliography[edit]

Vinton County, Ohio Article

  • United States Census Bureau (July 8,2014). State and County QuickFacts: Vinton County, Ohio. Retrieved from
  • The census website gives a lot of quick information that I think would go in the sidebar of the article. I was thinking of adding a few more important facts to the sidebar just to make it more developed.
  • Vinton County: A Place for All Seasons!. Retrieved from
  • This website gave me a lot of information on the county and gave me most of the content that I used in the sections I have already completed. I plan to use the Tourism tab in order to fill the tourism section.
  • Vinton Couty: Convention & Visitors’ Bureau. Retrieved from
  • This website is what comes up when you click on the Tourism tab, as I mentioned in the above source description. So I will use this website to fill the tourism section which will also make the article more developed.

Cove Hardwood Forest Article

  • Clemson University and SCETV (2001). The Cove Forest. Retrieved from
  • This website gives a lot of quick facts about the forest and it’s published by Clemson University so I think I is a pretty credible source. This would be good for sidebar information.

Thank you so much for volunteering your time to help us with these articles, I really appreciate it! Allyleah817 (talk) 14:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey @Allyleah817: you have definitely picked two topics that are underdeveloped. I am assuming that when you talk about Cove Hardwood Forest you mean to expand Cove (Appalachian Mountains), which would be great, because it seems like a topic that is way underdeveloped. I have two big concerns for your planned contributions, especially considering that you are doing this for a writing class:
  • First, and most importantly, most of your sources, though reliable, are ones that anyone with a Google search could easily discover. Though sometimes useful for important key information, this doesn't provide our readers with the encyclopedic depth that we try to achieve on Wikipedia. What good does it do for our users if we add materials that they can find in a Google search? I would strongly suggest going beyond these basic websites and doing research with your University's academic databases and/or Google Scholar. Having more complex sources, published in more authoritative places (like newspapers, academic websites, and academic journals) will certainly strengthen the overall impact of your editing contributions.
  • Second, I see that a lot of the work that you have done on your sandbox has been to create additional lists for Vinton County, Ohio article. Lists only provide a minimal amount of useful information, without providing much context for the information. I would strongly recommend modeling your work off of Blackford County, Indiana, which has gone through a community review process and is of rather high quality. Notice how most of the article is prose (as opposed to lists) drawn from a variety of sources, including published books and academic articles about the topic. This is what you should be shooting towards while improving the quality of your articles. Also, FYI, I removed the phone numbers on because of our policy not to act like a phonebook or directory (see Wikipedia:Not a phonebook).
I hope this feedback helps, and I am now watching your sandbox so will get updated whenever you make changes, Sadads (talk)

ATBeach Ambassador Proposal[edit]

Thank you very much for volunteering your time to help our class I fell I speak for all of us when I tell you this is truly appreciated. I am proposing to revise the article on the movie October Sky. The article is considered start-class, so it recognized on Wikipedia as being in need of work and I feel is in lack of information. The Plot section is good, but I feel other sections are in lacking and more sections can be added. I see no mention of the films awards and nominations on the page, little reference to the book; the critical reception page only mentions Rotten Tomatoes. With the lack of information in the article it offers only two references but a vast amount of external links. This tells me that there is little in the article, but a lot that can be found on the subject.

I am proposing that I will added multiple sections to this article, and update and develop current ones. I plan on adding information of the awards and nominations, possibly some more information on relevance to the book that the movie is based on, and further extending the “Critical Response” section to be more wide and vast than Rotten Tomatoes. Many films on Wikipedia have Pre-Production, Filming, and Post-Production sections so I may look into adding a blend of those three. Also, I feel that there should be reference to sections on the box office numbers and possibly even the movie’s cultural impact, as many movie pages on Wikipedia reference these subjects. The movie is fifteen years old, yet movies recently released I feel have more developed articles. I have been looking at other movie articles to compare to for the standards of the layout for a film on Wikipedia and try to extend and propel this article past start class level. I am however concerned that I am missing stuff or over doing anything. Any advice you give would be greatly appreciated and you can see my work in progress on my sandbox. Thanks again for doing this and giving all your time.-ATBeach (talk) 20:05, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Annotated Bibliography

Box Office Mojo. "October Sky (1999) - Box Office Mojo." October Sky (1999) - Box Office Mojo. Box Office Mojo, 2014. Web. 25 July 2014.

This is as the citation suggests, a website dictated to Box Office numbers and I thought I could use it to give information on the movies financial accolades. Some examples are, that the movie was the number 8 movie of 1999, had a $25 million dollar production budget and had a gross of almost $35 million.

"Coalwood, West Virginia Web Site." Coalwood, West Virginia Web Site. NMT Web Designs, LLC, 2014. Web. 25 July 2014.

This website was a gold mine of information about a town that is made famous for its coal mine. This website had information on filming locations more specific to what the article currently contains and also had pictures that could be inserted into the Wikipedia article for eye appeal. Also, it has information on an “October Sky Festival” that could be a platform for my “Cultural Impact” section.

Ebert, Roger. "October Sky Movie Review & Film Summary (1999) | Roger Ebert." All Content. Roger Ebert, 2014. Web. 25 July 2014.

This source is the movie analysis by the late Robert Ebert. Seeing how he is one of the most respected film critics of the last few decades, I thought his review of the movie would spice up the “Critical Reception” section. This could also supplement has help to develop the “Plot” section.

IMDB. "October Sky." Internet Movie Database. N.p., 2014. Web. 25 July 2014.

IMDB is one of the best movie sources on the web. I feel I can use it for help with all the sections with all its information. Some examples are the “Awards and Nominations” section, “Cast and Crew”, random trivia, and much more that can be inserted throughout all sections.

Mettacritic. "Critic Reviews for October Sky - Metacritic." Critic Reviews for October Sky - Metacritic. Mettacritic, 2014. Web. 25 July 2014.

Mettacritic is a collection of professional and unprofessional critic reviews, of course I am going to use this as assistance to help with the “Critical Response” section. It will probably only be a starting point, as it links to actual articles for the professional critics. I also may use its ratings to supplement the RottenTomato ratings already on the page.
Hey ATBeach. You look like you have a pretty good idea what we are expecting of film related articles. I particularly like your comment as relates to using Mettacritic: the critical responses are actually the best source for this article. We have a style and formatting set of guidelines for films at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines. This will be your best source for understanding what the various expectations of each section will be.
As for your sources, I would be particularly wary of IMDB, because much of that information is crowdsourced. Its usually accurate, but like Wikipedia, it has been known to have odd errors. Also, don't feel like you have to research the town in depth: the Coalwood, West Virginia article can cover the background and context. Make sure that you are focusing almost exclusively on the movie, and the relevant information around the movie. I like your ideas about using Mettacritic to know which reviews to look for. These reviews often have snippets of information and ideas that will be useful for expanding the other parts of the article. You might also want to try sources from this Google Scholar search. There are a number of academic sources discussing the movie as relates to West Virginia, teaching, and other areas that you wouldn't normally get from a newspaper review.
Generally, I am really supportive of your intentions and choice of article. There is definitely tons of room for expanding the article. Feel free to ping me if you have concerns, and I will be watchlisting your sandbox so I can keep an eye on what you are doing, Sadads (talk) 15:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

TayMills Ambassador Proposal[edit]

I am interested in working with the Wikipedia article called Urban Appalachians . This article is based on the migration of people from Appalachia areas who are now living in metropolitan areas outside of the region. Migration to the cities has been occurring for decades and following World War II, Appalachians became one of the major population groups in these metropolitan areas. This article makes some interesting points for example: Urban Appalachians are also diverse in terms of the kind of places they lived in before migration. I think it is pretty interesting that even though these people have moved to different areas, there are still roots and behaviors that they have continued to live by since they have migrated. This article also mentions some things about Native Americans in Appalachia areas. This subject really interested me because I have some Native American in my family and in myself. This also, makes me wonder how migration has affected them. I want to add a section in this article called “Diversity among Appalachians,” where I can add some information about Native Americans and maybe some other groups as well. In an article on Wikipedia that is just called “Appalachia”, it has a history section where it talks about how Native American hunter-gatherers first arrived in what is now Appalachia over 16,000 years ago. I find this very interesting however, I haven’t found enough solid information on this yet, but I will keep looking. The talk page for the article “Urban Appalachians” is pretty bare. I was expecting it to be a little more developed considering the article seems to be getting extensive. The few discussions on the talk page are regarding people who said they are one of the people that society would define as being a “hillbilly”. It is interesting to see the different views and stereotypes that people tend to perceive. I would like to add more stereotypes of Appalachia and Urban Appalachia. I think this article could really use some work, but it seems like it is developing nicely. Also, I need to stray away from the personal essay style that this article is leaning towards. If you have any suggestions or ideas regarding the editing of this article, I would really appreciate it. Let me know what you think! Here is my Sandbox account. Thank you so much! TayMills (talk) 20:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Sources I am interested in:

- "Native American Communities in West Virginia." Native American Communities in West Virginia. N.p., n.d. Web. 25 July 2014.

-This article seems to be very helpful with the new section of Diversity I would like to add to this article. It has a lot of well thought out and trusted information on Native Americans and Appalachia areas. It states how a lot of Native Americans fled to West Virginia to avoid migration and prosecution.

- "Urban Appalachia: Who, Where and What Is It?!" The HillVille. N.p., n.d. Web. 25 July 2014.

-This article seems to have a lot of good information regarding Urban Appalachia areas. It has a few statistics, which would be a nice usage of information for revising the article. I like this article because it explains what Urban Appalachia is and has a variety of information like stereotypes, and the changes of Urban Appalachia throughout the years.

- "Where the Hillbilly Highway Ends - Appalachian History." Appalachian History. N.p., n.d. Web. 25 July 2014.

-This article has a lot of quotes about Appalachia. I’m not exactly sure how useful this will be, but I find it pretty interesting to see some different views on Appalachian areas.

- "Hillbilly Highway." Wikipedia. Wikimedia Foundation, 07 May 2014. Web. 25 July 2014.

-I think this article could be a very big help. I like that it is on Wikipedia and it is kind of nice to be able to compare information and different views on Appalachia. I like that it takes on some new thoughts, like coal mining and industrialized areas.

-"A Voice for Urban Appalachia." CityLab. N.p., n.d. Web. 25 July 2014.

- This article help portrays the true stereotypes of Appalachia by stating how media has had a huge effect of how Appalachia is perceived. This article has some personal opinions, which is helpful to see how people in Appalachian areas feel about being stereotyped so badly. This might be useful in the stereotype section.

Hi TayMills. Thank you very much for energy and time you spent putting this together. However ,based on the state of the article and the proposed approach to the revisions: I don't think that editing Urban Appalachians will be a good idea. Here are a few reasons why:
  • Generally new editors have trouble revising pages created by someone else outside of the Wikimedia guidelines . What Urban Appalachians needs most is revisions to meet some of the standards.
  • Secondly, Urban Appalachians' current material is based largely on academic sources, that ought to be the first point of call for revising the page. However, your proposed revision relies on sources that are a mix of a) blogs, which aren't reliable enough to be used as sources or b) aren't sufficiently detailed enough to really add value to the page (largely because the original author draws heavily on academic sources, and seems to have a fair. Remember to consult the CRAPP test from your Googlepedia reading to figure out where the most reliable sources come from. If you continue with this topic, you will need to do much more challenging research.
  • Third, the topic is very broad scope. Broad scope articles tend to be very hard to write, because you can't simply throw a search term into databases and search engines and find resources to support it. Rather, you need to understand the field before hand.
I would suggest rethinking your approach by doing one of the following:
a) focus on a topic that you know something more about, and can search tools like or your library's database for and find materials.
b) choose a topic that is sufficiently narrow enough, that if you search for it, you get sources that are more releated to your topic (i.e. a particular county, book, movie, community, etc.)
c) choosing a subtopic that you find interesting (i.e. Native Americans in Appalachia), and starting a new article, so that you don't have to rewrite another editor's work.
Hope this helps, and looking forward to learning what you decide. Sadads (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

AKrahe Ambassador Proposal[edit]

Thank you very much for volunteering your time to help out with our class project, your contributions are greatly appreciated and will really help to enrich the work we are doing in class! The article I am planning on working with for this project is Appalachian Stereotypes . This article is categorized as a stub-class article. It has very minimal information and runs a risk of being much more opinion based rather then fact based.

The talk page for this article has nothing on it, so I would greatly appreciate any feedback you have for me! I plan to start by expanding the introduction to the article. I would also like to go through the existing three sections and add information to back up what has already been stated. I would also like to add sections on the specific stereotypes that exist revolving around those who reside in the Appalachian area. I would also like to really focus on the media section, as this is a large contributor to the stereotype. The most important thing that will need to be improved is the lack of citation. Without the citation the article could be looked at as opinion rather then fact. I would also like to add some links to other existing articles revolving around Appalachia. One question I have for you is if you know of any similar articles that I could examine in order to gain ideas and formatting plans from?

Annotated Bibliography "The Hillbilly Stereotype: Razing History, Leveling Appalachia". 

This source talks about the term "hillbilly" and how it is applied to those who reside in Appalachia. This would be helpful with the section I want to add about the specific stereotypes that come to peoples mind when they think of this particular area.

Hayes, Amanda. "The Lessons of Appalachia". 

This source will also be helpful with the specific names that are applied to the stereotype. It also contains a lot of information on how the issue has developed over time and how it can improve, as well as how is affects people.

This source talks about the roots of the Appalachian culture and gives a history that includes how these stereotypes originated from.

This is another source that discusses the origins of the Appalachian culture and how the stereotypes have developed and changed over the years. It also discusses how it is wrong to categorize a whole group of people as a whole rather then observing the individual.

This source talks about the show "the Beverly Hillbillies" witch is based in Appalachia. this will be helpful with the section on the portrayal of Appalachia in the media. I would also like to look for more sources that talk about other shows such as "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" and a variety of other shows and how they all portray the same type of stereotype about the Appalachian area. AKrahe (talk) 21:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)AKrahe

@AKrahe: Your proposal looks really good! I am excited to see that article expand. I have one concern with the kasamaproject source. It looks like a blog aggregater, so the material doesn't have a particularly high editorial/authoritative standard and probably shouldn't be used as a source for Wikipedia articles. Also, there is already an article (though admittedly not very good article) on Hillbilly which describes the term itself. Make sure when you are writing the article, you describe the larger stereotypes that surround the region, including, but not limited to, hillbilly. One way to do this would be to take the source materials for the Innes piece and see if you can find some more literature on that topic. Best of luck! And if you need any help, make sure to ping me, Sadads (talk) 17:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

[jp302408] Ambassador Proposal[edit]

Thank you for agreeing to be an ambassador and working with our class on this Wikipedia project. I found two articles involving Appalachia that looked like they could use some work. The first article I wanted to add to was the Millfield Mine Disaster. I was a mining explosion in 1930 that occurred locally. The article could use more information on the history and facts about the explosion. I went to our university library’s collection of archives and found many useful documents. I plan on going back and looking further into them. The other article I was interested in editing was Moonshine. This article contains a small overview of moonshine and its history, test, and safety. I wanted to add more about the history, particularly in Appalachia. I am having a harder time finding notable sources for my moonshine article. I may need some guidance on this article and I plan on checking out other resources specific to moonshining history. I am open to any ideas or suggestions you have for my articles.

Annotative Bibliography
Millfield Mine Disaster

Crowell, Douglas. Sep-Oct 1997. Death Underground: The Millfield Mining Tragedy. Timeline. Ohio Historical Society.

This magazine article gives a great overview of the explosion. There is a lot of information on the area around the mine and how it was affected. I planned on using this source for my history section on the disaster.

Loughridge, Susan. 1977. Millfield Mine Explosion: November 5, 1930. Millfield Mine Memorial Committee.

This was a document I found in our library that summed up the collection on the Millfield Mine Explosion. It is a broader overview but it also has many details. It explains how the explosion started and how the men died. I was going to use this source because for the history section and the names of the casualties.

Smallseed, George. November 6, 1930. Local Man, President of Firm, Identified as one of Victims. Columbus Evening Dispatch.

This article was written the morning after the explosion. It gives details about what that day was like. It also talks about how the men were injured or died. I was going to use this article for the overview.

Garrnet, Woodward (2013). ‘In Search of White Lightinin’: Moonshine in Southern Appalachia. Smoke Mountain News. <>

This article gave a good overview of the history of moonshine in the Appalachian region. It’s not my favorite source but I’m having a hard time finding one that directly relates moonshine to Appalachia. I would use this article for the history of moonshine.

Peine, Emelie K., and Kai A. Schafft. "Moonshine, Mountaineers, and Modernity: Distilling Cultural History in the Southern Appalachian Mountains." Journal of Appalachian Studies 2012: 93. JSTOR Journals. Web. 25 July 2014.

This article looks like it will have a lot of information on the history of moonshine. I plan on using this to relate moonshine with Appalachian culture. This article look like it will be the most useful.
I am open to suggestion about for my sources. In addition, I wanted to make sure I’m working in the right direction. I feel comfortable working with the Millfield Mine Disaster article but I am less sure about the Moonshine article. Is there anything else I could be adding to it? Or do you have any suggestions about where to find information on the history. I am looking forward to working on this and hearing from you. Thanks! Jp302408 (talk) 22:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)jp302408
Hey @JP302408: That definitely looks like a good set of scholarship/materials for the articles. I think both would do well to expand. For moonshine, I think it would be a good idea to explore the history of the process in the Appalachia. One way to do this is to search major databases for terms related directly to the Appalachia (for example ). Note also, that there has been a fair bit of work already developing the United States section of the Moonshine by country page at Moonshine_by_country#United_States, so what I can help you do is spin the "United States" section into a new article about "Moonshine in the United States" and you could write/expand the history of it as relates to Appalachia if you want. Sadads (talk) 18:59, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I registered, I filled in a form but I am still being asked for money. Probably me, but have I missed something as I haven't been around much for the last few weeks. J3Mrs (talk) 19:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey J3Mrs, I submitted your information to BNA this weekend so expect them to have the accounts fully extended within the next 24 hours. We are trying to do it in small batches, so that they don't have to process too many accounts at once or too many emails, Sadads (talk) 13:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that, sorry to pester. J3Mrs (talk) 19:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
@J3Mrs: No worries. Totally okay! Sadads (talk) 19:36, 28 July 2014 (UTC)