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San Francisco meetup at WMF headquarters[edit]

Hi Sanfranman59,

I just wanted to give you a heads-up about the next wiki-meetup happening in SF. It'll be located at our very own Wikimedia Foundation offices, and we'd love it if some local editors who are new to the meetup scene came and got some free lunch with us :) Please sign up on the meetup page if you're interested in attending, and I hope to see you soon! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

NRHP Updates[edit]

Where did you get the NRHP information about the Peabody City Park in the National Register of Historic Places listings in Marion County, Kansas article? I knew that it was nominated, but it isn't in the NPS database yet. I heard there is a lag to get into the database, still I was wondering where you found the information. Is the information online? Where? • SbmeirowTalk • 18:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! • SbmeirowTalk • 19:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Lunch tomorrow![edit]

Hi, thanks for signing up for the meetup/lunch at the Wikimedia Foundation. Just a reminder that this is happening at noon tomorrow, Saturday the 4th. Our office is located at 149 New Montgomery Street in San Francisco, a short walk from the Montgomery Station BART stop – please see the meetup page for more details. Looking forward to seeing you there! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


For doing the new Florida and Georgia listings. I've recently had a marked reduction in my free time (by about 40 hours a week), and I'm still adjusting. Though I'm not complaining. :) Anyway, I should be able to get back to covering those two states. There's not much coming up for them, so it shouldn't be too difficult. Again, much appreciativeness, and happy February! --Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 00:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

NRHP in Gage County, Nebraska[edit]

I see that you've added a lot of sites to the various NRHP list articles, so I wonder if I could ask you to look into a possible problem with one.

National Register of Historic Places listings in Gage County, Nebraska doesn't include the J. Schmuck Block in Beatrice, Nebraska. I find the site listed in Focus, and at the Nebraska State Historical Society's Gage County page. At Focus, it's listed as "Schmuck, J., Block"; I found it in the course of searching for sites in Beatrice, Nebraska.

I'm sorry to throw this problem at you, but I haven't tried adding new lines to the list tables; moreover, it's possible that there's a good reason why it hasn't been added, and as someone who's done a lot of work updating the tables you'd probably be in a position to know about it. Thanks— Ammodramus (talk) 20:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Re:Victor Messinger House[edit]

I have a photo of the plague which has the inscribtion of the NRHP, but I may be wrong. Tell you what, I'm going to upload the plaque and let you look it over. After you do that, let me know what you think of it. Does that sound like a plan? Tony the Marine (talk) 17:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Here is the plaque:

Victor Messinger House Plaque. I'll let you find out what is going on and I will back you up in whatever action you decide to take. If the house is not "NHRP" then I will be fine with the removal from the "lists" which I added it. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Thank you for bringing up the issue and for doing such an excellent investigative job. I agree that it should be removed from the listings. It has been a real pleasure working with you on this. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Talk:Irvington Tennis Club[edit]

Any chance you took a picture of the other corner?! Valfontis (talk) 23:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Louisville/Jefferson County[edit]

Thanks for revisiting this issue and putting a lot of work into it. I'm getting close to the end of the semester, but I can check and try to see if I can do a bit more work come the end of the month. Thanks for finding the local neighborhood maps; between using these and checking with a roommate who's quite familiar with the area, I'll try to build on your work. Nyttend (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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William Hooper School[edit]

I started on article on this subject and used your photo. Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#use of upload-assisting pic in NRHP lists[edit]

Could you comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National_Register of Historic Places#use of upload-assisting pic in NRHP lists?

This is regarding a key part of the upcoming WLM-US photo contest. Smallbones (talk) 12:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

St. Louis NRHP lists, thanks and more[edit]

Hi Sanfranman59. Thank you for updating the numbering within the alphabetical A-L and the alphabetical M-Z list-articles for St. Louis NRHPs recently, following up on my splitting out the Downtown and Downtown West items out of those lists.

Your having done that, and especially your having numbered from 1-122 and from 123-255 or so, rather than numbering from 1 in the second list, has been a big help just now. I just further revised the two lists into one for sites north of the I-64 and one for sites south of it. The two lists are now National Register of Historic Places listings in St. Louis south and west of downtown and National Register of Historic Places listings in St. Louis north and west of downtown. The numbering was very helpful in getting the new ones into proper order. It really took a very short amount of time and very few edits to get this big shift done, and properly sorted within each one. Thanks!

It would be a further help if you could check my work a little, and renumber the new lists. Maybe now they should both number from 1, i guess. I leave it to you. Thanks so much for the work you continually do, updating all the new NRHP listings!

cheers, --doncram 20:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for the further editing and renumbering you did, in the two rearranged articles. I summarize about this being finished now, at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in St. Louis, Missouri#Split by neighborhoods. I am pretty sure this was the biggest outstanding task of splitting needed for any city / county NRHP list-article. It's been an outstanding item on the work list box displayed at wt:NRHP for quite a while. Thanks for helping! --doncram 16:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

new listings source question[edit]

Hi Sanfranman59. On Thursday you did your usual NRHP new listings updating, thanks! Including adding a link at List of RHPs in Hancock Hancock County, Maine, for what I since created as article The Grand (Ellsworth, Maine). When i created the article Friday morning i put in link to, anticipating it would be the correct specific new listings source to support the reference number and so on. That weekly new listings NPS webpage was not yet open but it did open later in the day i guess. However, it doesn't show the Grand's new listing! You must have access to some other source for new listings. Could you possibly please explain and/or suggest or demonstrate how to source in The Grand (Ellsworth, Maine) article? cheers, --doncram 15:48, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, i see now it appeared in Yikes, you were almost 2 weeks behind?  :) I thot you were ahead of the NPS itself... :) Thanks again for what you do. --doncram 15:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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Lancaster County, Nebraska[edit]

Just saw your additions to NRHP in Lancaster County, Nebraska. Thanks for all the work you've put in keeping the lists up to date. I'll now have to add them to my list of photo targets...

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you please double-check the edit in which you inserted information about boundary increases at the Herter farmstead and the Lewis-Syford house? They've left a big chunk of information about the boundary increases in the address column of the table, and I suspect that you didn't intend for it to turn out that way. Did you really want to put that information in the "Summary" column, or turn it into footnotes?

I'd fix this myself, but I don't know the standard approach, and I assume that it's better for someone who does to take care of this matter. Thanks for checking up on it-- Ammodramus (talk) 02:33, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Pending listings[edit]

I left the following message for Smallbones, Ammodramus, and Ebyabe: "Do you upload photos of pending listings, and/or do you know of others who do? I'm considering creating a Commons category as a holding pen for such images, and I'd like your opinion on whether it would be useful." The reason I was asking was primarily for the sake of updating lists, and since you're the one who does so much of that, I was curious about your opinions. In particular, would the category idea be best, or would you prefer a subpage of WP:NRHP where people could link photos of pending listings, or do you have some other opinion? As I said to the others, please reply at my talk page. Nyttend (talk) 23:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

MPS comments[edit]

For one thing, the point of the column is that we summarise the site, either with a citation to somewhere, or with the most important cited information from the article; the MPS bits that you added aren't cited here and aren't part of the most important information from the article. Perhaps more importantly, the MPS bits mean nothing to pretty much every reader; even when we do cite this information, it's at best trivial and at worst confusing to the reader who doesn't understand why we mention it. Nyttend (talk) 11:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Since NRIS provides nothing that automatically goes into the comment field, information in that column needs to be cited except when it's clarifying something (e.g. boundary increases) that simply wouldn't fit in other fields. This is important partially because comments in that field are often sorts of things that can't be derived from NRIS, such as the comments in National Register of Historic Places listings in Beaver County, Pennsylvania. Regarding the inclusion of MPS information in the first place — aside from data from NPS and SHPOs, when have you ever seen anything about the concept of an MPS? The fact of a property being included in one is not important to the property; NPS includes it in NRIS because it's important for their internal purposes, but it's just about completely irrelevant to the history of the property itself. It belongs as a minor note in the article itself, but only because it's relevant to the process of historic designation, which (being relevant but not a huge part of a property's history) should get only a small portion of the article. Moreover, your comment about creating articles is a good reason not to include it: unlike project pages, these lists are places for readers, so resources specifically for editors don't belong. If you really want to include this kind of thing for editors, why don't you just hide it with <!-- and -->? That way, editors can find it without it getting in the way of readers who aren't interested in editing. Nyttend (talk) 01:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
No, it means that I'm not going to bother edit warring with Doncram, who has proven that he prefers B and RRR with only a pretence of D. I am not willing to compromise with something that's giving substantially undue weight to a little bit of trivia. Nyttend (talk) 07:18, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Look at the page history: I did revert Doncram, but apparently he came right back and restored it again. Look at page histories such as the Connecticut NHLs list, where he's edit warred to enforce the inclusion of sites that aren't NHLs. Consider various lists nationwide where he's repeatedly expanded the NR listing name for sites because he thought that they weren't specific enough. I've ended up "losing" in many situations simply because he keeps reverting and the only way I can stop it is to abandon any hope of being listened to. Nyttend (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
WP:BRD is what I meant. Nyttend (talk) 19:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

why not SF articles[edit]

Hi, after coming to the SF NRHP list-article during September, in order to start an article to host a prize-nominated WLM pic, I've been wondering why there are so many redlinks. It seems to me that starting all the articles is called for, as the NRHP noms are available, and as there are pics for most if not all, many provided by you. I think that main pics should be displayed bigger than in the list thumbnails, and galleries or links to commons galleries are needed to show more pics, and that readers would be interested. I'd be willing/happy to help in a push. Isn't it time? --doncram 11:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, no problem. I have started a few (Apollo (storeship), Administration Building, Treasure Island, Hall of Transportation, Treasure Island, which brings me to add a bit to Weeks and Day), and would welcome your adding to those. I see that in the SF list there are lots of links provided in the description column, by you i presume, and I will use those in these articles and any more that i might start. Nice pics. Thanks for doing what you do. cheers, --doncram 01:47, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

This week's new listings[edit]

If you've not yet added this week's new listings, please don't do it without looking exceptionally hard for errors. They include the offices of The Republic (Columbus, IN) in Ashland County, Ohio, and I don't know how many other places are mistakes. Nyttend (talk) 05:29, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Boundary increases[edit]

This is the way it's done throughout most states, including everywhere else in Ohio. It's much more systematic; if you're looking for the location, the addresses/boundaries are all you need. You don't need to know that it's a boundary increase, and you definitely don't need to know the date. Of course, it's a bad idea to get rid of those facts, so that's why I moved them into the comments column. Nyttend (talk) 19:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

[Note that this comment was written after the one I've hatted]. I'm not objecting to changes per se, as long as we implement them consistently. That being said, why do we have to include all of this information anywhere in the tables? It just occurs to me that we could build on your † proposal for MPS information by throwing out some of the boundary increase information and instead putting all of it into notes. What if we started using the {{cref}} system for notes? We could put the addresses of the boundary increase into the table like normal, and everything else could go into a Notes section (distinct from References), so users who want it will find it easily and users who don't care will be able to ignore it easily. If you've not seen this system (I went years before finding it), you can see how it works by going to St. Anthony's Catholic Church (Padua, Ohio). Nyttend (talk) 22:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the pile of comments — I keep thinking of more things. Basically, please think of the hatted text as having been stricken out; I wrote the comment and didn't send it for a while because I wanted to think it over. I would have omitted it, except for the fact that my second comment might not make much sense that way. Nyttend (talk) 23:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
As far as the working of the cref thing: I'm suggesting that we do just like at St Anthony's. You put the template at the spot in the code where you want the note to appear (at St Anthony's, this is just after the first appearance of "Padua" in the text), and in a "Notes" section you put the text of the note. If I remember rightly, it was originally developed as a citation method before we had cite.php and the <ref> tags, but it's quite useful for making side comments, if for no other reason than that you can separate the side comments from the citations and put citations on those side comments. Meanwhile, the bullets don't work in the table, because the table isn't set up to have bullets: the whole point of a table like this is that it's a box of text. Boundary increases really aren't that important in the long run, because the increased boundary isn't a separate historic district; the district's new boundaries are simply somewhat different. General audiences don't need to recognise the boundary increase if they don't want to, since all they need to know is that the historic district includes this area and also that area, but if they want to pay attention to the note, they'd be pretty stupid if they couldn't understand that "text text text; also text text text (second set of boundaries...)" referred to the chunk starting with "also". We're not roadgeeks, and because we're writing for general audiences, we need to make our writing accessible and useful to the general reader, rather than mingling important information with minor details. Dates of boundary increases don't belong in the address column any more than dates of the original listing do. Nyttend (talk) 04:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/WLM-US 2013 discussion[edit]

Would definitely be appreciated. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Downtown Wayne Commercial Historic District[edit]

This is a new HD in the Philly suburbs. Do you know of an easy link to documentation for it? I only ask because it's a bit confusing, being right in the middle of North Wayne Historic District and South Wayne Historic District, not too far from the Wayne Junction Historic District, but pretty far from the Fort Wayne Historic District, and real far from the Wayne Commercial Historic District in Nebraska. I may have given up too easily on this, but thought that you might know right away! Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, just searching for "Wayne Historic District" came up with all of those, but not the Downtown Wayne Commercial Historic District, so following my usual search method didn't seem to make much sense. I know for NHL sites the best place to find a new nomination is on focus (not the PA state website). Do you know of anything similar for historic districts? If not, no problem. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon tomorrow (Saturday) in Oakland[edit]

Hi, I hope you will be joining us tomorrow afternoon at the Edit-a-thon at Tech Liminal, in Oakland. We'll be working on articles relating to women and democracy (and anything else that interests you). It's sponsored by the California League of Women Voters, Tech Liminal, and me.

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Merry Christmas[edit]

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Good catch[edit]

Hello S. Thank you for catching this [1] edit, especially since it had another edit and revert in between. As you are probably aware the exact opposite is true and Van Dyke mentions his accent with chagrin on the DVD extras. It feels like we are getting more "April Fools Day" edits like this all the time so your vigilance is appreciated. MarnetteD | Talk 03:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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NRHP County lists[edit]

Hey I don't know if you've seen at the NRHP project talk page, but there is a new page here where members of the project have been collaboratively collecting data about the number of sites illustrated and articled in each county in the nation. We've then made some maps (which you can see on the page) which are a good visual representation of the project's progress. I notice you updating the county lists every week with new listings, so I wonder if you could also update any numbers on that page at the same time? I know that's asking a lot–basically doubling your work–so if you don't want to take the trouble, that's fine. I'm sure the other members can still keep up with everything.. but I just wanted to throw the idea out there. I personally would like to see that Progress page updated in as close to real-time as possible, but that's a pipe dream, I know. There has been some talk of getting a bot to update the page (and I've also developed a few scripts to speed up the manual process in the mean time), so maybe this will all eventually be a pointless discussion anyway haha. I just wanted to bring it to your attention. Thanks for the help!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 04:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Wiknic 2013[edit]

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You're invited...[edit]

to two upcoming Bay Area events:

  • Maker Faire 2013, Sat/Sun May 18-19, San Mateo -- there will have a booth about Wikimedia, and we need volunteers to talk to the public and ideas for the booth -- see the wiki page to sign up!
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I hope you can join us at one or both! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 17:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Case Study House No. 20[edit]

It looks like I was wrong about that one. When I added the house to the list, the NPS hadn't published the page with the description of the listing yet, and I was a bit confused as to why an Altadena address was listed as being in Los Angeles, so I checked the MPS nomination that I cited. Page 34 of that list includes all of the Case Study Houses with the nominated ones in bold, and 219 Chautauqua was bolded while 2275 North Santa Rosa wasn't, so I figured the NPS had just made a mistake with the address. Now that the NPS has put the nomination form for that one online, I see that it actually was the Altadena house; thanks for catching that. It should probably be moved to the Los Angeles County list now, though. (The NPS also listed Case Study House No. 10 in Los Angeles, even though it's in Pasadena; it was a bad day for whoever's responsible for that.)

By the way, thanks for adding coordinates to all of those listings. I couldn't figure out where to find most of them, besides the few that are in the nomination forms and the ones that can be found easily in Google Maps. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 22:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for all the work you've done with new listings. I don't think we appreciated your work enough until you took a break and suddenly the new listings were two months out of date. I'm glad to see you around again. (Though you may have picked the wrong week to come back - I was going to say that there's a script that handles the counting tasks for NRHPPROGRESS now, but its creator deleted it a few days ago during an editorial dispute. Hopefully it'll go back up once that gets settled.) TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 23:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I would be interested in your method for renumbering the lists. One of the biggest barriers to updating the lists for me was coming across some listing that started with "A" in a county with 150 listings and not wanting to renumber everything; I was actually wondering if you had a system like that, since you did most of the updates. I'm a bit cautious about trusting Google Maps for addresses, since urban addresses are occasionally a few buildings off and rural address are occasionally on the wrong side of the road; if the nomination form has a map, though, it can usually be sorted out. And I definitely sympathize with the burnout over editorial disputes; it seems like WikiProject NRHP has had far too many of those lately. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 00:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
As I mentioned, there's a script that can do it automatically, but it got deleted during a dispute over assessment criteria and whether an editor was over-rating stubs. The good news is that there's currently a proposal to make a project-wide set of assessment criteria and it's getting pretty good support, so hopefully that settles the issue and the script will come back. Until then, I wouldn't worry too much about it; it's not a big deal if the progress page doesn't get updated for a few weeks, so don't feel like you have to manually do everything. I'd much rather have up-to-date lists and an out-of-date progress page than have the lists themselves be out-of-date, especially since readers will probably only notice the lists. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 00:58, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
From the peanut gallery, ditto about appreciating what you've done, for years, with the NRHP tallying. I 100% agree that the out-of-mainspace progress page doesn't matter so much. About the script coming back, I rather expect it will come back; there is petty bickering but the script contributor does wish to contribute. I personally somewhat resent the pettiness of withholding it; there have been divas before withholding their tools (wp:diva?), and in general I think it is usually better not to validate them. Whatever, i also think it is coming back. --doncram 01:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Any chance you could pass along your method for renumbering lists? This week's new listings include another site in Los Angeles, and I'd rather not renumber that list by hand again if I can help it. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 20:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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