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Please add items to the bottom of this page. I will normally reply on this page to any conversation started here. There is no need to post DYK follow-ups here, as I watchlist DYK nomination forms where I leave comments.


Edward Brenchley Bishop[edit]

Hi Schwede66, I have had a quick look via Ancestry for Edward. Found him on the Electoral role for 1853 living at Somerfield Farm Canterbury Christchurch with Frederick Augustus Bishop. both yeomen living on a freehold estate valued at £50. They are both still living there in 1861 and Charles Wellingron Bishop is recorded living at the marketplace Christchurch, a storekeeper with two acres of rural land adjoining the town of Kaiapoi on the Island being part of section 321. In 1881 all three are listed plus a fourth. Charles is an accountant in Cambridge Terrace, Edward at Cramner Terrace out of business. Frederick lives with him and is a wine merchant and in addition there is a Rockford Compart Bishop at Armach St also an acountant. There are other entries showing Edward with several plots under his name. Hope this helps, get in touch if you need more info. Tmol42 (talk) 22:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent - thank you (I've corrected the title of this item, as there's an 'h' in his middle name; it is his mother's maiden name). Do you have access to family trees that others have created? What I'm keen to learn about is his immediate family. I know that Frederick Augustus was his younger brother. Schwede66 23:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I have found at least one tree with 5 siblings. Apart from Charles (b.1815 d.1884) and Frederick (b.1818 d.1884), there is a Mary Ann (b.1810), Susannah (b.1812) and Emma Kate (b.1814 d.1888). Tmol42 (talk) 23:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Further update. Charles W Bishop was married twice. He married Mariane Alport at Islington on 13 May 1843. She died in Apr-Jun 1849 in Bermondsey, London. His second marriage was at St Mary's Islington, London on 13 Apr 1850. At the time Charles was living in Rotherfield St, Islington. Ellen his second wife's maiden name was also Alport. I guess maybe a sister to the late Marion. All three of Charles'children were therefore born with his first wife Mariane.Tmol42 (talk) 00:41, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, isn't that interesting? Susannah Bishop married Augustus James Alport (1816–1886) on 18 May 1844 at St Mary's Church, Islington, London. If you have a chance to read my draft article and check over the family connections, that would be great. I'm particularly interested in the parents; I extracted the info from a seriously garbled up website and had to look through the code to find their names. I haven't seen their names anywhere else as yet, so if any of the family list them (possibly with birth and death years), that would be fantastic. Have yet to work the parents into the prose, and will also include your latest info. Thanks a million. The other helpful thing would be to see whether the various Alports were indeed siblings. By the way, have you watchlisted my talk page, or do I need to send you a talkback? Schwede66 08:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes I have your page on my watchlist. I am now a bit on an expert on the Alport family! Father of the three Alports was James Swaine Alport who was born in Stourport, Worcestershire. Married in London to Mary Ann Beck and then both went to live in Halifax Nova Scotia where they had 8 children. Another Alport sibling was Adela. She married a Charles White and remained in London, as did her brother, Sidney. Henry Rose went to live in Kent, Edward Swaine went to Monmouth in Wales, Herbert Edward went to Christchurch, NZ and Percy John ended up in South Africa. What else would you like to know?Tmol42 (talk) 17:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Quick note on Swaine&Co. In Kents 1823 Original London Directory it is recorded as Swaines Alport & Co 1 Holburn Br. (today known as Holborn Viaduct)Tmol42 (talk) 00:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I haven't seen the names of the parents anywhere else other than one garbled website as yet, so if any of the family lists have them (possibly with birth and death years), that would be fantastic. Otherwise, I think the family section is ready. Schwede66 20:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Argyles Bishop, (b.1764) Kent. He was a widower by the time he married Mary Anne Brenchley (b. 12 July 1781) Sittingbourne Kent, on 18 May 1809 at Sittingbourne. Mary Ann's father was Edward Brenchley and her mother was Mary? Found one other reference to Argyles Bishop and a distillers business here which you might find interesting. Do you need any more info on the Alport parents' dates? Tmol42 (talk) 22:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi Schwede, I have improved the Aotearoa article by adding more info re Sir George Grey, and also removed the info you added. I think it is disproportionate to give the opinion of a hobby historian just because he disputes the works of some pretty important players in New Zealand history. Saying they created a "myth" is a bit over the top too. Moriori (talk) 02:52, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


Hello Schwede, When I was browsing through a website I accidently found this a review of the Establishment project this can be seen here: So I was wrong on this building height, I don't remember it being 11 levels so will put it back into the list which will bring the total to 50 (A good round figure). At least that has been corrected as it deserves to be in now. CHCBOY (talk) 15:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Town of Christchurch by-election, 1860 on hold[edit]

I have placed Town of Christchurch by-election, 1860 GA nomination on hold. I've left a few comments on the review page. - Shudde talk 09:53, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I have passed the article. It looks really good. Congratulations! I hope you don't mind but I have classified it as a social sciences and society topic, under "Events and elections". - Shudde talk 10:32, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your thorough review and your good comments. It's been a pleasure working with you. Schwede66 18:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


Yes, well, it is all very different when the boot is on the other foot. Quite all right for you to go around vandalising my edits but if someone does that to your edits then all hell breaks loose and I am threatened to be reported etc etc. What is sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose. If an item on Wiki is wrong then fair enough go ahead and correct it but don’t go deleting other people’s work just because it does not meet your personal standards or it on a topic that you know nothing about. Leave well alone. In any case my edit was referenced if you had just bothered to look instead of getting up on your high horse.

Please post your issue on the talk page of the relevant article. It's good to see that you are finally prepared to enter into some discussion. Schwede66 04:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Sheep farming in New Zealand[edit]

Hi Schwede. I'm going to start Sheep farming in New Zealand in the next couple of days. If it interests you, please jump in! If you're busy with other things, no worries. As a friendly FYI, there will be other editors working on it from WP:RBN, where I've mentioned your name. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Great. I'll chip in. Schwede66 18:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad to work on an article with you again! I've just started this article but I'll have more time for it over the weekend. If you want, you can indicate you're done with your edits at WP:RBN#Active. I'm assuming that Dr. B and Nvv will work on it, too. As far as timing goes, one of the editors will nom it in 5 days. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Central City Red Zone[edit]

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Can you please sign your ALT1? Thx. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

McLean's Mansion[edit]

Hi Schwede. Thanks for suggesting those two. They'll be good articles. I've started on the mansion and will continue with it over the weekend. Do you want to work on the philanthropist out of sandbox? Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 14:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Rosie, it seems easier if we carry on with him in mainspace. Schwede66 18:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding a hook suggestion: ... that Allan McLean's mansion (pictured) was the largest wooden residence in New Zealand? --Rosiestep (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Alt1: ... that a 78-year old bachelor had a 53-room mansion (pictured) built for him in Christchurch, New Zealand?

ALT1 is "hooky" so go with it! --Rosiestep (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Cardboard Cathedral[edit]

Hi there. I'll look at it tomorrow, but the title alone is interesting. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 06:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Tonight after work (unless you're already done with it)! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Meka Whaitiri[edit]

DYK nomination of Meka Whaitiri[edit]

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Thanks for putting that in. Do you think the article is good enough for publication? It's still ongoing for the moment - the event - so I won't do it yet, but idk whether it's alright.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I've only created one article before but that wasn't from the sandbox so if you could that would be good. Thanks.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 23:24, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Am I now able to wipe my Sandbox and start again?Arsenalfan24 (talk) 23:44, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
After moving an article, the system leaves a redirect behind and that's all. So your sandbox is already 'wiped'. However, what you really want to do is set up article with its correct name from the start. Let me know what article title you have in mind and I'll show you. Schwede66 23:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I've created another article. I'm going to try and create a list of Tuvaluan ministries in a few days.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 01:09, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


Hmm, are you aware of the many years of wandering between prime and the amount of damage that has caused to editors and etc? I really think that it might seem an 'upgraded' and useful from your perspective, but lets just say someone actually manages to revert the idiocy of the primacy issue and it reverts to the correct title, Perth Western Australia? As it is too many geographically challenged outsiders call it Perth, Australia (which it is not, there are other Perths...) .. just a thought, I would have erred on the side of caution myself and left it. But hey, have fun if it does eventually revert back... sats 00:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Vic Square[edit]

Colombo Street Bridge - that's looking pretty bad!

Good morning. I thought Victoria Square, Christchurch might interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:28, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Cool! Schwede66 18:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

FYI, Template:Did you know nominations/Victoria Square, Christchurch. If you can think of something else, please tweak the hook wording or suggest an ALT. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Another new one, Hamish Hay Bridge. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about suggesting another one so fast! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
I was just joking. But there's lots more to add to the Vic Square one. Schwede66 03:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

And to think there wasn't an article on this square in wikipedia until now. So cool and so gratifying. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The Press article with the architectural details is on the "Market Place Bridge". That is an earlier name of the Hamish Hay, right? It would make sense because of the square, but as Market Place Bridge hasn't been mentioned as a Hamish Hay alt, can you verify? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll clarify that. Schwede66 18:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

FYI, Template:Did you know nominations/Hamish Hay Bridge. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:58, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Great - thanks. Have just got my Avon River book off the shelf and it has 5 pages (!) on this bridge, so I'll add a few things. Schwede66 19:00, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Let me know when you're up for another bridge... I'd like to work on Armagh Street Park Bridge (Armagh Street Bridge?). --Rosiestep (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

How about we write that one in userspace, and that way, it doesn't matter how long it takes? Here's a triple suggestion: ... that two registered heritage bridges in Christchurch's Armagh and Worcester Streets were both opened by Christchurch mayor Charles Hulbert?
Very good idea. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

That's a lot of views. Good job! --Rosiestep (talk) 01:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

City First[edit]

Hello fellow Cantabrian; I am running in Riccarton-Wigram Ward for Community Board but not for City First. I wanted to create a page to which others could add to. I will accept that the deletion be accepted. LukeChandlerNZ (talk) 03:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you read up on notability in general, and on notability for organisations (like political parties) in particular. Best of luck with you political ambitions. Schwede66 06:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Paul Lonsdale[edit]

Will this be a CoI if I create a page for Paul Lonsdale? LukeChandlerNZ (talk) 03:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know whether Paul is affiliated with City First or whether you know him personally. If yes, then it probably is a CoI. I'm also not sure that he would meet notability requirements. I can't recall that I've ever seen anything in-depth about him in The Press.
In general terms, it is not advisable to create bios while the person stands for election. We (the NZ politics task force) don't even do that budding MPs, who are often much more notable than Paul will be. So that there aren't any issues, we create bios for those candidates in project space, and only when they have been elected do we publish the bios. The last time we used that process was for Meka Whaitiri, and you will appreciate that she got heaps more media exposure than Paul ever will, but her article was only published after the preliminary results confirmed that she was elected without a doubt.
So my advice is to not create a bio for Paul Lonsdale, at least not prior to the election. But of course I can't stop you from going ahead regardless, so it's your call. Schwede66 06:31, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Today's two page write-up in the Mainlander section of The Press would tip the balance of notability in my opinion. I still suggest that you write the page after the election, but if you choose to do so now and it came to an AfD, I would support you with a 'keep' vote. Schwede66 20:31, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


Thank you for your support. Among other things, I have created about half (30) of missing MLCs, and hope to finish the other 30 before Wilson goes back to the library. Now I will stalk off and do some more! Hugo999 (talk) 21:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw all those bios popping up. Top effort. Will be good to have them all done, too. Schwede66 00:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


I have added two more articles on MLCs to bring the main category total up to 330 + 1 list = 331. They are William Perry (politician) & Mahuta Tawhiao Potatau te Wherowhero. Hugo999 (talk) 02:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Found him as the third Maori King Mahuta Tāwhiao. Hugo999 (talk) 04:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

proper names[edit]

Probably you should read MOS PN, as, for example, prime minister is not a PN, Prime Minister Soandso is. But it really is a minor edit and I Will continue to label as such. Primergrey (talk) 03:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


Can you please propose James Papalii article for deletion the biography has been requested by the living person to be deleted as this profile you insist on is inflammatory and makes the biography insulting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manamangere (talkcontribs) 20:02, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

This appears to be under action. But I'm not sure what is inflammatory about stating that somebody has got a conviction which was reported by one of the major newspapers. Schwede66 19:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for James Hargest[edit]

This was left for me on my talkpage, but I think it belongs to you since I suspect that you were the editor who submitted the article to DYK (I can't find the nomination to confirm). Thanks for your contributions to the Hargest article, it really made the interwar period of his life more substantive. If you are interested, I'm now working on the Fred Waite article, feel free to chip in with content on his political career. Cheers. Zawed (talk) 09:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Good to hear from you. No, this is your credit; I got my own credit, but I move them across to their own page. Here's a link to the nomination FYI. It was easy to chip in with Hargest, as I've got a couple of books at home that have the relevant info. I'll see what I can do about Waite, but it might not happen soon, as I'll try and concentrate on stubs during December. It's good fun collaborating on articles, and it's enjoyable working with quality editors! Schwede66 09:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Clarification please...[edit]

After I left this comment] on User:Stuartyeates's talk page you left a barnstar, with the edit summary "disagree". Could you please clarify -- is your disagreement based on having a generally positive experience of working with this individual -- or did you actually take a look at the behavior that triggered my concern? Geo Swan (talk) 01:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I have replied on Stuartyeates' talk page. Schwede66 01:59, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Tony Wilding[edit]

Hi, you asked "why not re-rate across all projects?" on the Tony Wilding talk page in response to my previous edit. The simple reason is that I was not entirely sure how an article is rated in those cases when it is part of multiple projects but some projects are only covered briefly or tangentially. In this instance it is e.g. part of the WikiProject Cricket but cricket is only covered in one small paragraph that in and by itself doesn't qualify as C class. To be on the safe side I only (re)rated those Projects that were covered substantially enough in the article to justify a C rating. Cheers, --Wolbo (talk) 13:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I see. The two issues that you raise are independent. An article goes to the next class when it meets class criteria, and that is independent of how much content there is for a specific Wikiproject. There are quirks like not all Wikiproject have all classes, but it's always safe to simply re-rate class across all projects. What you are talking about is importance, and somebody who looks after a specific Wikiproject would be be to rate or re-rate that aspect. Schwede66 17:12, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

On Template:Did you know nominations/Subir Banerjee[edit]

The article has now been expanded to meet prose size criterion. Please consider re-evaluating the DYK nomination. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:29, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Noel Pharazyn[edit]

Hi, would you like to make more specific suggestions as to your required improvements. Eddaido (talk) 20:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "required improvements". Can you please explain? Schwede66 20:48, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
"rm stub tag (article is start class); improve ref; restructure" in your edit summary. Eddaido (talk) 21:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
That was documenting was I was doing, as opposed to a suggestion what needs doing. If you are after suggestions, you could:
  • introduce section headings,
  • add an infobox (and if you do, I'll see whether there's a photo in the public domain)
  • expand the article further.
Does that help? Schwede66 21:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes thanks, that does
I thought section headings were "deprecated" unless it all became unwieldy which I don't think it does.
I am happy now the two main things have been introduced: 1. his politics yet his appointment to what I imagine became one of his country's most sensitive WWII appointments (shows how deep were his personal ties to the establishment? that's a question for a biographer) and 2. his association with the very famous in his day F P Walsh.
The link to the photo of Buckingham Palace Frances Hodgkins and the Pharazyns was deliberately selected. Setting
It is very noticeable that his article links to people and things all over the world yet almost nothing links back to him. Well, anyway, he stood out from his crowd and made the DNZB and WP!
Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas...[edit]

Beeston MMB 03.jpg and Happy 2014!
Wishing you and your family a happy holiday season! Rosiestep (talk) 00:39, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Christchurch mayoral election, 2013[edit]

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OK, having looked at this, I am afraid I do not believe the article meets the GA criteria at this time. It is my opinion that it needs a significant amount of revision. There is no information about the process, and while there is plenty of content about the race, it is rather jumbled. I've left more detailed comments at Talk:Christchurch mayoral election, 2013/GA1. I wish you luck with rewriting this, please let me know if you have any questions you'd like me to answer. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:28, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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[Stub Contest] 4th place[edit]

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DYK nomination of Charles Wilson (librarian)[edit]

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Hey, Schwede, thanks for reporting User:! Just so you know, though, the more usual way to do it is to make an entry on AIV; if you have Twinkle installed (a gadget in the preferences section), it should have a function to do it for you under the ARV tab. No worries, though; your way works too, though perhaps not as fast. In any event, cheers! Writ Keeper  19:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Schwede66 19:33, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Elections reference[edit]

Hi Schwede: a good ref for NZ elections; will add to New Zealand general election, 1946 as as soon a I can work out how to edit the table of initial MPs. Only problem is no loan copy in Wellington library. Hugo999 (talk) 00:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Norton, Clifford (1988). New Zealand Parliamentary Election Results 1946-1987: Occasional Publications No 1, Department of Political Science. Wellington: Victoria University of Wellington. ISBN 0-475-11200-8. 
  • Nice one. The results table is in a template (Template:New Zealand general election, 1946), and this is done so that both the election and the nth parliament article can use the same table; stops us from having to make corrections or amendments in two places. All the results tables will get templated over time, and all elections from 1890 onwards will use the format that the 1946 election uses. Over time, the election articles will all go to shortened footnotes, so if you want to add a reference to the results table, you'd need to do the following:
  • Add cite book to both the election and the nth parliament article (note I've edited the ref somewhat)
  • add {{sfn|Norton|1988|pp=x–y}} to the table header, where x–y represents the page range.
  • By the way, for page or year ranges, you need to use an endash as opposed to a simple dash; you get to it via the Wiki markup menu and it's the first dash next to the label 'Insert:'. If you get stuck, just put something into your edit summary; I have the 1946 pages on my watchlist. Schwede66 01:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Have added Norton as first source (Bay of Plenty, Dunedin Central, Eden), but kept the other ref. Norton has surname and initials for candidates; though the candidate index shows that AR Boord stood for No 8, Bay of Plenty in 1946 and No 100, Rotorua in 1954 which he won. NB: Gustafson on early Labour says (from memory) which electorates various candidates stood for. Hugo999 (talk) 08:27, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
PS: The 1935 & 1938 templates have the four Maori electorates together at the end, but the others I have looked all have the Maori electorates spread in alphabetical order throughout the list. Can we standardise on this? Hugo999 (talk) 09:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd say we should be alphabetical by electorate, just as I've done it with the 1946 table. By the way, 'pp' in the sfn template stands for 'pages', and 'p' stands for 'page'. I've amended your entry accordingly. Great to have the three uncertain 1946 candidates confirmed! Schwede66 09:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Schwede: Have amended the 1919 also 1935 & 1938 templates so the Maori seats are in alphabetical order also. But still some 19c ones to do; 1875-76, 1879, 1881 & 1890. Also 1884 & 1887, which are arranged not alphabetically (by seat) but geographically north to south. And the 1899 template has most of the table obscured by the black background spread all over it. Hugo999 (talk) 01:15, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Jermyn Symonds[edit]

Just to let you know I nominated your recent expansion at DYK. Best, Yoninah (talk) 11:38, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jermyn Symonds[edit]

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NZ Election Templates again[edit]

Hi Schwede: Have finished modifying the 1993 election template, will do 1990 template next. Re general election articles, the table of votes by party often do not have a column for the number of candidates standing; a few years do not have the table at all. It seems simplest to use the table as used for the 1978 election (1990 election table is similar but does not have the right hand change column). The numbers of candidates are given in Wilson (1985) pages 295-6. Though this table for Labour groups all left candidates together, will use table in Brown page 225 (except for 1919). Suspect Wilson’s table similarly classes Independent Liberal as Liberal, and Independent Reform as Reform? Also while the Communist Party stood candidates 1946 – 1969 including to Norton and some election articles tabulate them seperately, they are not separate in Wilson, presumably under Independent (Wilson’s table also has 25 P or “Peoples Movement” candidates in 1943 tho I have not heard of them! 1943 was the year that 54 of John A. Lee’s Democratic Labour Party stood). Hugo999 (talk) 12:04, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

PS Finished an article on the Maori loan affair Hugo999 (talk) 22:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


I am lost and confused on Wikipedia Jaobo (talk) 19:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Jaobo

Savart wheel DYK?[edit]

Hello Schwede66. I'm writing here as I know from experience that you can be extremely helpful with DYKs. In the last 2 days I have expanded Savart's wheel (sorry, as an ip I don't think I can add redirects) over 5-fold, and I think the page meets the basic DYK criteria and could provide an interesting and informative entry. Do you perhaps know someone interested in nominating this? Right now I'm afraid I feel the need for a wikibreak (though I may wake up shortly). Thanks anyway :) Best wishes, (talk) 00:30, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for my slow response, but I've had a rather busy week. I hope somebody else picked this up. Schwede66 18:21, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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It very much was deliberate. Schwede66 23:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Redlink notability[edit]

I removed the redlink from Isaac Coates/Isaac Coates (not to be confused with this Isaac Coates) not solely because I believe his notability is not established, although as mayor of Hamilton (then with a population under 1,000) between 1888-92 notability is not a given, but precisely because it was a redlink. If there is a likelihood of a redlink becoming an article in the short term (as in Maureen Pugh) then I don't see that a redlink is a problem. However, for redlinks that are not likely to become an article in the near or medium term future I see no point to them. Notability is a double-edged sword; if an article is unlikely to be created then notability is not proven. Further, I think Isaac Coates fails Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline in that [Presumed notability] means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject should be included, Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Politicians, and AFD-politicians meaning any such article may not survive AFD. FanRed XN | talk | 00:01, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


Done. Let me know if you need anything else. Jinian (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Excellent - thanks! Schwede66 19:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

NZ Template Problem[edit]

Hi Schwede, The NZ Election Results templates do not work properly now when a Runner-Up is added to a New Electorate, see template for 1969 & 1972 general elections. Hugo999 (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I alerted to the relevant discussion on the politics talk page the other day; I hope that the latter is on your watchlist. Schwede66 19:19, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Pan Pac Forest Products Ltd[edit]

Should this article be allowed to disappear? I did in fact find it because I was looking for it - I mean it does provide information that I was looking for. The author has not contributed for some years. I think the proposer is just 'testing' but I don't know local standards. 330 people seems quite a lot in Hawke's Bay. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 07:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

You were looking at a Wikipedia:PROD, which is a way to suggest an article for uncontroversial deletion. If you disagree with it, you can simply remove the PROD tag. What happens next is usually one of two things: either, the article gets put up for the formal / normal deletion process, or an editor who thinks the article is worthy of keeping improves it somewhat, and that's often enough to keep it away from AfD. Sometimes, it goes to AfD even after the improvement. I've removed the PROD because it was about to expire (when it expires, the article gets deleted), but I suggest that you add some reliable sources to the article that helps establish its notability. Schwede66 19:44, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. I'm not going to do any more than tell someone else about it though. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Chippenham Lodge[edit]

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C D Barraud[edit]

I don't know the reason (maybe another around at the time called just Charles Barraud) but I think it was wrong to move Charles Decimus to Charles Barraud. Will ask around and be back tomorrow. I was concerned to see he was only Charles in Wikimedia. Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Simplest to suggest you carry out this quick Google test. Enter the query term: Dunbar-Sloane Barraud. Your responses will all be either C D Barraud or Charles Decimus Barraud. (or one of his descendants, cousins, ancestors etc etc). Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 08:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello Eddaido, what you are talking about affects a number of Wikipedia policies and practices. Firstly, we have naming conventions for people, with a particular section on middle names. The advice is to go with the common name used in reliable sources. What Wikipedia does not concern itself with is whether other people who do not have a WP biography may share the same name; this is of no relevance to our naming conventions.
You should know that Stuartyeates went through the commendable exercise of creating some 2,000 stub articles for people with an entry at the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography, based on the premise that with a few exceptions, all of these are notable. Stuartyeates used an automated process for this, and what he did not do is read the biographies. All the articles set up this way use full names as per their entry at DNZB, but when you read the bios themselves, you generally learn what a person's common name is. When I come across any of those bios and link to them or expand them, I often read the DNZB entry and then move the page if necessary to bring it in line with our naming conventions. This is what happened in the case of Mr Barraud.
Your query also touches on disambiguation. Just for clarity, once we have established a person's common name, this is what determines the article title. If disambiguation is needed at some later point, this is done by adding a descriptor in parentheses, unless we are dealing with a primary topic. What is not done is to now add a middle name for disambiguation; if it's not the common name, that is not how we disambiguate.
Lastly, there is no alignment between article titles on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. In my opinion, it would make sense to achieve alignment, and I'm sure that at some point in the future, we will have that. The process for moving pages on Wikipedia is entirely different to changing category names on Wikimedia Commons. I'm sure this will sort itself out over time and my guess would be that related categories on Wikimedia Commons will be moved by a bot upon article titles changing on Wikipedia. But for now, there is no alignment across these different platforms. Schwede66 20:01, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for all this. Isn't it usual to save time and keyboard by making the usual references to the "rule book"? I point out again that this person's common name is either C D Barraud or Charles Decimus Barraud. I refer you again to the Google test. Surely that gives the common name.
I'm aware of the sterling work done by you and your colleagues and as a fellow citizen thank you for it, you've just made this mistake. Surely Life's simpler if there is an alignment between WP and Commons? Commons was wrong, WP right. Just telling you so you can easily fix it. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 22:32, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
It appears we disagree. I suggest you put up a formal move request so that this can be debated. Schwede66 07:36, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Indeed we do. I'd be happy if you just reverted your change. You might like to consider these cases (if you would like to change them too then I've better ones):

Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, Johann Sebastian Bach, Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Georg Friedrich Händel, Heinrich Rudolf Hertz, Erich Maria Remarque, Rainer Maria Rilke, Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, Ernst Christian Friedrich Schering, Karl Friedrich Schinkel, Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker, Diedrich Hermann Westermann, Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 08:17, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, even if I wanted to revert my change, I assume that I can't move the file over the redirect because it has been edited since the move; this needs to be done by an admin. Secondly, I never said that middle names are never used, and you have compiled a nice list of people who are known by their full names. Schwede66 08:31, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Firstly - then it will be no problem for you. Secondly I find when discussions become heated some points can be accidentally skipped. Have you really tried that Google search I suggested for a test as to how / by what name the article's subject really is known? I do not really mean to suggest this artist ranks with Bach or Goethe but whatever the perceived quality of his many pictures they are a visual record of NZ soon after European settlement and so I think interest in him will remain permanent. As you say yourself its how the subject is commonly known that provides the test isn't it. Glad you liked my list, regards, Eddaido (talk) 02:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't agree with you. Schwede66 20:05, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I'd worked out that part. Have you tried the Google search Dunbar-Sloane Barraud? Dunbar Sloane is a local firm of auctioneers, I've turned up sales through some of the European-USA multinational auction houses too. Eddaido (talk) 22:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
We have discussed this for long enough on my talk page and I am happy to engage in further discussion as part of a formal move request only. Schwede66 20:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
By all means. Will I then learn the reason you don't follow my simple suggestion and answer my question? I'll get organised before Monday. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 08:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about this, a copy editor, Samblob, follows me around "trailing his coat". Eddaido (talk) 02:02, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Christchurch maps[edit]

Hi Schwede66 -

I've made a handful of maps for you, which are linked here. I haven't made the ones for the Dudley Creek, Styx, or Heathcote yet - the Dudley Creek article isn't written and I'm not sure of the course. My maps don't have enough info the accurately show the Styx, either, and the maps I've found for the Heathcote are different to the information in the article (they show its source above Hoon Hay and no connection with the Yaldhurst-Riccarton stream). Hope these three help, though! Grutness...wha? 12:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks heaps, James. Could you import one of the Dudley Creek files that I sent you by email? If the format works, I would be quite happy to produce the file for the Heathcote and Styx. With respect to Lyttelton Harbour, if I were to email Benchill for a base map that didn't cut the harbour off, I suppose we'd have a slightly better map. I'm aware that Benchill hasn't been active in a couple of years; do you know any background? This is looking great! Schwede66 18:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I never got them! If you send them again I'll have a go at it. I don't know Benchill other than by his work here, so I've no idea what the story is with his inactivity. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I've emailed you again. If something is not working, let me know. Schwede66 00:33, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Came through fine this time - thanks! Grutness...wha? 00:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Chippenham Lodge[edit]

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Carter Fountain[edit]

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I've figured out how to do it. Schwede66 19:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Dudley Creek map[edit]

Here ya go :) Grutness...wha? 06:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Map showing the location of Dudley Creek, part of the Avon River system, Christchurch, New Zealand
Thanks, but a slight problem (wrong scale). I've sent you an email. Schwede66 09:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Fixed (hopefully!) Grutness...wha? 12:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Beautiful. Thanks heaps. Schwede66 20:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
If you've got a similar sort of file as the last one you sent for the Heathcote, I can do that one, too. Grutness...wha? 01:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Ok, will do. I've started with expanding the article to get a better understanding. I've found a good map with all the relevant tributaries. Most of the upstream stuff is actually dry and just carries stormwater, as the springs are mostly in Canterbury Park. I went on an explore yesterday to see what is dry and what has permanent flow, but only got as far as Aidanfield. Will have to do the rest next weekend. I think it would be worthwhile to differentiate on the map between permanent flow and stormwater channels. Schwede66 19:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

btw. Good weather and time didn't come in pairs before going overseas. Back 1 September. Schwede66 02:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

AFD tags[edit]

Hi Schwede66,

Apparently I've heard that DNZB entry establishes notability (this is after I placed the AFD tag). I can't find where on wikipedia it says that; would you be tell me the page? Robert4565 (talk) 19:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Robert4565, this isn't entirely clear, as there are a handful of exceptions. This discussion is the most comprehensive on the topic, and gives some context. Stuartyeates, maybe we should set up a page that summarises the situation (e.g. we have a page on New Zealand naming conventions) as this comes up with some regularity. Schwede66 20:06, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes you should think about setting up a page that summarizes the situation. I, like many of the other editors, want to contribute good-faith edits. I don't want to have to place a tag on an article when it doesn't need one. I will look back at my edits on NZ articles to delete the AFD tag (assuming they are cited with DNZB). Robert4565 (talk) 20:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

No trouble. I've seen to the PRODs already. Schwede66 20:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for my miswording; I meant to say WP:PROD instead of AFD. Robert4565 (talk) 20:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Internet Party and MANA Movement[edit]

Thank you for your previous comments on this article's name. I have proposed to rename this article at Talk:Internet_Party_and_MANA_Movement. I invite your input. Ground Zero | t 15:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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Updating different project assessments[edit]

Hi! Thanks for your message, and I'll do that in the future. It's just that I wasn't sure about other projects' assessment criteria and whether it was okay for me to do that, not being affiliated with them. Do all the different Wikipedia projects follow roughly the same assessment criteria, and is it generally acceptable to alter their assessments? — Ballofstring (talk) 05:06, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, class assessments are by and large the same across projects. A notable exception is Wikiproject ships, as they don't have class C. But you can't break their assessment, as it shows 'Start' when you assess something as C for them. I've done a lot of reassessments over the years and have never been told by another editor to keep my sticky fingers out. But I've come across a lot of pages where some of the projects are still stub class when the article has long moved on beyond that; it really does make a lot more sense to change class across all projects at the same time. Schwede66 05:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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I see you've been working through the electorate articles and making sure they're in shape. I thought I'd just let you know that the current lists of MPs violates MOS:COLOUR in that colour alone describes the political party members are from (not very helpful for people who, for whatever reason, cannot view or have trouble with viewing colour). See the table at Kelston (New Zealand electorate) for an idea of a slightly different layout. What do you think? Adabow (talk) 02:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I see. My initial reaction is that I much prefer it the way we are doing things, even if it doesn't comply with MOS. We have an article for every MP, and every MP has a parlbox, and there we do list the party affiliation, which incidentally may change over time. So for vision-impaired people, the info is just one mouse click away. What we've got is reasonably sophisticated, and can deal with things like changes in party affiliation mid-term; see this example. What do you think in turn? Schwede66 02:38, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I missed that thread. I'll comment there to keep things in one place. Adabow (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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Articles promoting commercial entities ??[edit]

Hi, I came across a Wikipedia article for the James Pascoe Group. To my mind it reads like a prospectus, eg. the dozens of photographs of "Goldmark" store fronts. I don't really see anything of encyclopedic merit. Why should it remain in Wikipedia? Can I do anything about it?


Steve Red660 (talk) 09:20, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, fair comment. The article itself isn't too bad, but the issue that you are putting your finger on is WP:Gallery. The collection of photos added to the article certainly do not meet the criteria in that policy. There's a bit of work required to tidy up the situation, but if you want to do that, here's what you do, and I'm happy to help with those parts where you struggle:
  • The vast majority of photos included in the article are uploaded to Wikipedia, but they ought to be at Wikimedia Commons. There's a link with every photo that outlines how to transfer them to Commons. Open the photos one by one and undertake the transfer.
  • I've created some categories on Commons, and you can put the transferred photos either into commons:Category:Whitcoulls or commons:Category:James Pascoe Group or commons:Category:Farmers (department stores).
  • Once that's done, you can safely remove the galleries from the article; leave one photo of each chain as an example.
  • I've watchlisted the article, so if anybody protests about your actions, I can weigh in.
Does that sound ok? Schwede66 06:20, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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New Zealand elections categories[edit]

SUre, I'll get on that. I tend to copy whatever I see and that happened to be on some article I saw, so I'll fix that. spiderjerky (talk) 18:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, you seem to have mislinked User:This_is_Paul on the Andrew Little talk page, I've corrected it, but not sure what you intended. You may want to undo my correction. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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Middle name and birthdate I guess its standard on wikipedia so no big deal. Gav111 (talk) 01:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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I'm seeing you do a bunch of assessments of some of my articles. Thanks for the hard work. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:15, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Never knew that - only just figured that using "MP" was wrong! --LJ Holden 01:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

That's the great thing about Wikipedia. You work on something and somebody else comes along and improves it further. And in the process, you learn something. Schwede66 01:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
For sure. The next question is when did MGA fall out of use? At the moment the article is a bit vague by saying "1860s". I wouldn't be surprised if it was linked to the end of the Provincial system - i.e. the General Assembly was made distinct from the provincial assemblies. --LJ Holden 01:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I vaguely remember that I wrote that part (could go back to the article history, I suppose) and had to keep it vague as I couldn't find a definite source. When I write articles that fall into that time, I do a lot of reading of Papers Past, and I think there is a transition areas in the 1860s when both terms were in use. It may well be that somebody decreed that we shall now call them MHRs, it's just that the various journalists didn't all immediately adopt it. End of provincial govt is too late, as the use of MHR had established itself earlier. A big political event in the previous decade was Parliament and the capital shifting from Auckland to Wellington; maybe it was that one. Schwede66 01:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Ashley Bank[edit]

You can go ahead. Ms. Bank is probably only well known for The Monster Squad. Paul Austin (talk) 05:58, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

The Beatles Invite[edit]

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Abbey Road... You're not in this picture... yet!

Thanks for the invite, but I was really just fixing up some Birthday Honours lists, and it looked useful to work on the famous four as part of that. Schwede66 09:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


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