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Copyright problem: Solicited-node multicast address[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Solicited-node multicast address, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to be a copy from http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2461 and http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291, and therefore a copyright violation. The copyrighted text has been or will soon be deleted. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with our copyright policy. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators are liable to be blocked from editing.

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Note that even though RFCs are intended to be widely distributed, they are still copyrighted and subject to restrictions regarding derivative works. See for example the Full Copyright Statement on the last page of the documents I linked to. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
can you link me to where RFCs can have strips linked to them? I am fairly certain you are incorrect about this, it says specifically on their page that they want it shared, I did not just cut and paste the whole article, I took parts of it (1-2 sentences) then put in examples and information... I don't think you have the right to just delete the whole article Seanx820 (talk) 17:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "strips linked to them". As to the rest, the examples should be fine, but you copied the other sentences verbatim from the RFCs - I don't propose deleting the articles, but it needs to be rewritten in your own words (sufficiently so to avoid closely paraphrasing the source and creating a derivative work, which is the issue here). VernoWhitney (talk) 17:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the bad english, I am tired. OK this is what is confusing to me, I don't understand why I can't copy. If you read BCP 78 which the IETF uses for all legality it references RFC 5377. In there section 4.2 specifies that it is OK!

"There is rough consensus that it is useful to permit quoting without modification of excerpts from IETF Contributions. Such excerpts maybe of any length and in any context. Translation of quotations is also to be permitted. All such quotations should be attributed properly to the IETF and the IETF Contribution from which they are taken."


SO why can't i quote a sentence here or there, it looks like they intended for this?
The issue begins with the fact that you weren't quoting, you were simply copying the text and putting it together with examples. You are correct that you can quote a sentence here or there, but you need to do it within policy; specifically WP:NFCC says "Articles and other Wikipedia pages may, in accordance with the guideline, use brief verbatim textual excerpts from copyrighted media, properly attributed or cited to its original source or author, and specifically indicated as direct quotations via quotation marks, <blockquote>, or a similar method" (emphasis added). The WP:NFC guideline goes further and states

Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. Copyrighted text that is used verbatim must be attributed with quotation marks or other standard notation, such as block quotes. Any alterations must be clearly marked, i.e. [brackets] for added text, an ellipsis (...) for removed text, and emphasis noted after the quotation as "(emphasis added)" or "(emphasis in the original)". Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited.

If all you're doing is establishing a definition, there is no POV, and probably no need to illustrate a point or establish context, so that means there's probably no reason to allow them under the guideline. Even if you do use some quotations, you can't have an article that's entirely quotations plus some examples (that would be excessive, and thus prohibited). What it comes down to is that there's no reason that the same information can't be rewritten using your own words. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
understood, I have reworded, make comments on the discussion page and I will fix it further :) thanks for the clear and concise advise, some people on wikipedia delete my stuff without telling me whats up :) Seanx820 (talk) 19:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for listening and for rewriting those! It's much appreciated. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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