User talk:Seraphimblade

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Please do be nice.

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GOCE February blitz wrapup[edit]

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Dear Seraphimblade, please see this polite request, and provide a positive thoughtful response there, if you have one. All the best: Rich Farmbrough00:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC).

The Signpost: 06 August 2014[edit]

Need some help in opening an arbitration case[edit]

Hi I needed some help in opening a case against a member who has been abusive towards me on at least 3 occasions, over the years has has deleted a huge amount of content from the Cheema article which I came along and tagged for deletion as it was only 1 line of text and serves no purpose. I'm studying at the moment, but I believe an arbitration is required, as well as a sockpuppet check. The user in question is Sitush and his activity on the Cheema article, I did a little deeper into the article to find that some members in the past had been banned, so a sockpuppet check is in order in my opinion. He claimed Raj era sources aren't accepted but I have found articles where he has been an active editor where he has allowed Raj era sources to go unchallenged. With his last arrogant comment directed at me it raised some suspicions, due to the nature of the work I do as a student I find some discrepancies which are disturbing, there is no uniformity to his citation process. I will provide more evidence if you need but I am new to wiki and I am coming to grips with all the policies. To start with please see: [1], someone doing very similar edits as Situish was found to be a sockpuppet (user Hkelkar : [2], after Hkelkar was banned, curoiusily Sitush appeared arguing Raj era sources are unrealible, and similarly taking the sameline. For me personally, when Sitush made false accusations against me when I questioned why over a sustained period of time over 90% of the content went missing, he starting to be abusive and accused me of sockpuppetry, then kept reverting my edits I made to the article, saying Raj era sources aren't accepted yet as I have mentioned before he has actively edited articles in which Raj era sources have gone unchallenged. And mysteriously he refused to answer a reasonable question he is basically dismissing 200 years of historical references, in published books. My only issue here is, that there shouldn't be any historical revisionism going, since this hurts the credibility of wikipedia. By the way here is a source which shows my last edit on Cheema article was accurate: [3] that Cheema's are from the Jatt tribe. Syanaee (talk) 19:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@Syanaee: My first advice to you would be that accusations such as the ones you've made above require evidence. The evidence you've provided does not on its own establish sockpuppetry; I imagine if you looked at any two editors' edits, you'd see some plausible overlap. For the content issues, I would suggest you use dispute resolution processes such as a third opinion or a request for comment. This can help get participation from previously uninvolved parties if the editors involved have reached an impasse. Also, while you're not explicitly required to do so for user talk pages, it's general courtesy to notify another party if you've opened a discussion regarding their conduct so that they have the opportunity to reply. I'll do so in this case: Sitush, but would request that this page not be used to continue the content dispute. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
If you have CU rights (and the time) then please do the check to put Syanaee's mind at rest. That way, it won't poison any later discussion elsewhere. - Sitush (talk) 19:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks I will look into that, I personally don't want to post on Sitush's page as he has been abusive towards me, and unpredictable. You may go ahead and let him know, I already informed him I was going to start an arbitration process against him I felt this was sufficient Syanaee (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
While I am a checkuser, we don't run checkuser to "prove innocence" on English Wikipedia, as it can't prove a negative anyway. I wouldn't worry, there would need to be significantly more evidence than the above to make a convincing case for socking. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
That's sort of what I thought, sorry. I'm just trying to be open with Syanaee and since they seem unwilling to accept anything I say, it is at least helpful that someone else says it. DRN or whatever here we come. - Sitush (talk) 20:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Media Viewer RfC arbitration case - extension of closure dates[edit]

Hello, you are receiving this message because you have commented on the Media Viewer RfC arbitration case. This is a courtesy message to inform you that the closure date for the submission of evidence has been extended to 17 August 2014 and the closure date for workshop proposals has been extended to 22 August 2014, as has the expected date of the proposed decision being posted. The closure dates have been changed to allow for recent developments to be included in the case. If you wish to comment, please review the evidence guidance. For the Arbitration Committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Arbcom clarification clarification[edit]

The discussion between Littleolive_oil and yourself confuses me a bit. specifically the "knowing that a sandbox cannot be used to draft an clarification is another. If its a common mistake, I assume most editors don't know they cannot post a draft in a sandbox." bit. That seems to contradict the instructions in the pink template which says "This is not a discussion. You can paste the template into your user space, or use an off-line text editor, to compose your request in private. Do not submit your request until it is ready for consideration; this is not a space for drafts, and incremental additions to a submission are disruptive."

Perhaps Littleolive oil is misinterpreting your statement, but as an outside reader I am quite confused. Could you perhaps clarify for me (and the others who lurk in the Arb area)?Gaijin42 (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

If you take a look at the page in question, User:Momento/sandbox, it's been maintained several times since the topic ban was originally placed in 2012, including updates to counts of the number of editors to the article and records of previous appeals by other editors. A topic ban means to leave the area entirely, not keep tabs on it in userspace.
I think what confused Olive was when I said "as recently as this month", and somehow that was interpreted as only this month. Quite honestly, if the only issue were composing the draft in a sandbox, I wouldn't worry at all about a violation that hypertechnical. But that page is being used as an archive of material during the ban and a way to stay on the perimeter of the banned subject, and that's much more concerning to me, especially given essentially no editing in any other area. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I think this is a fair clarification. What I would suggest is that editors have to know they have transgressed if they are going to suffer for the transgression. I know that many editors do not understand all the nuances of sanctions as I mentioned before. This isn't a punitive environment, but should be an instructive one.(Littleolive oil (talk) 17:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC))
Thanks. Since it seems that you are saying that even a pure/honest clarification/amendment draft in user space is a violation (albeit hypertechnical), we should probably modify the instructions on the page to avoid encouraging people from violating their bans. For example, I had composed this clarification request in my userspace in April(but never submitted it) User:Gaijin42/GunControlArbClarification - was this a violation of my TBan? Should I request that the page be deleted? (I don't have any plans to submit it at this point) Gaijin42 (talk) 17:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
At least my take on it would be that it'd technically violate the letter (the exception is to appeal or request clarification in the "appropriate forum", which userspace is not), and we generally do construe topic bans pretty strictly, but unless someone's deliberately using such a draft as a backdoor to disruption, I don't imagine action would be taken. Keeping stuff related to the subject in userspace that's not immediately needed probably isn't the greatest idea. If you've no plans to file the clarification and you'd like the page deleted, say the word and I'll certainly do that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the additional clarification. Yes, please do. Due to your clarification, I reiterate my suggestion that the instructions on the page be updated to clarify that making drafts in userspace is a violation of topic bans, as the instructions right now explicitly tell people to make drafts in userspace. I will make a post in the WP:ARCA talk page to start the ball rolling. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I see you have deleted the page. Thanks. While you are playing in my user space, User:Gaijin42/List_of_defensive_gun_use_incidents and User:Gaijin42/GunControlArguments should probably go too, both old pre-ban pages I had created. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

And also User:Gaijin42/Holding which is a post-ban violation I hope you will grant leniency for. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I took care of them for you. -lurker Dreadstar 18:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 August 2014[edit]

GOCE July drive and August blitz[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors July 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up
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Participation: Thanks to everyone who participated in the July drive. Of the 40 people who signed up this drive, 22 copy edited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: We reduced our article backlog from 2400 articles to 2199 articles in July. This is a new month-end record low for the backlog. Nice work, everyone!

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Gold Mercury again[edit]

Gold Mercury International went through an AfD which led to a non-admin closure. I confused the issue by moving the article to Gold Mercury International Award in the middle of the discussion, since the award and the winners are the main topic. Talk:Gold Mercury International shows the closure, but the moved article still shows as in AfD. Perhaps you could sort it out?

On a humorous note, see User talk:Aymatth2#Gold Mercury International. I left a stern reply at User talk:LudwidNDes, but am not optimistic. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:33, 20 August 2014 (UTC)