User talk:Sergecross73

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I don't know how to respond so I'll post this here. You can delete if when you've read it. The lead singer is in a band called Codec (Facebook search: Codec Band) and their bio states they broke up in 2010 I think it was. I messaged them a while back and they said via MySpace message that they'd broken up.

This time, I come in peace :D[edit]

Holiday wishes![edit]

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Sergecross73, I wish you excellent holidays and a glorious 2013!

I hope you'll have great meals, memorable family reunions and joyful times with those you love. :)

  • Salvidrim!, signing off on my best year yet, thanks in no small part to y'all!

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q1 2013[edit]


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Yet another holiday message for you![edit]

About previous talk[edit]

Sorry, maybe I am too sensitive. My recent edition focused on Luo but it is because of the discussion. Actually,I am also surprised about that. In my previous plan,I just want to spend maybe 1 or 2 in that article. The discussion is beyond my plan. I am not admin so do not spend much time for edition in wiki. I may edit one or two article per a day or even spend a week for one article. This two weeks I spend all time for the discussion so my recent edition is all about this. Actually I do not feel there is something wrong with Wikipedia policy. I think the problem is the list of source in wiki video game project is more about video game and there is no source about e-sports here. Thus I think Viedo game project group may need to add more online source about e-sports as the reliable sources. Then I see you and another admin think about merging article Luo in another article but you don't discuss this anymore. I have stated my opinion and don't want to join the discussion how to merge or other kind of way to deal with anymore. Sorry to disturb and thanks for your explain.Miracle dream (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2014‎

Jak sockpuppets[edit]

I'll just say it here, to everyone - @Indrian:, @TheTimesAreAChanging:, @Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever: - and anyone else. Let me know if you have any more suspected sockpuppets of Jakandsig - I've spent enough time dealing with him now that I'm comfortable with blocking anyone I believe to be him for block evasion per WP:DUCK. I may not take action on everyone that is suggested, but please don't hesitate to throw it out there to me. Sergecross73 msg me 17:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Well, that did not take long. This fellow just went active mere minutes after John Mayer lost his talk page access. He has already tried to claim the Dreamcast was not the first system with a built in modem something Jak and friends claimed on multiple occasions. Indrian (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
It looks like he's back! And ready to challenge those Atari 7800 sales figures yet again...TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I thought this one looked suspicious as well when he first appeared last night, and his new focus on the 7800 only serves to reinforce those suspicions. Probably not enough yet for an outright block, but he should at the very least be watched closely. Indrian (talk) 19:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Same article/sales concerns, just registered last night, long-winded edit summaries, trouble with wiki-formatting, it does seem similar... Sergecross73 msg me 19:27, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I reverted Golden Cog's edit on Atari 2600. The edit was unsourced and mediocre. IX|(C"<) 00:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Also reverted his Sega Game Gear edit, which changed the name of the "End of life" subsection to "Decline". IX|(C"<) 00:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I was mistaken. His Game Gear edit changed "Decline" to "End of life". IX|(C"<) 19:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
An edit to the Super Thunder Blade article by Carrots was reverted. IX|(C"<) 00:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I wish I would become an administrator, just because the unlikely Jak creates problematic sockpuppets. I think I could block Jak indefinitely if this sockpuppet situation continually worsens. I hope I can be a nice, content-improving admin. IX|(C"<) 00:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I'm starting to wonder if Jakandsig was even his first account.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I think it was. Before Jak, there were anons pushing the same views on the CD-I page and others, but not another named account. I think Jak was his move from anonymous posting to account posting. Indrian (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Jak first used IP back in October 12, 2013, adding unsourced information to Street Fighter II. The Stick Man reverted that edit. IX|(C"<) 00:58, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy North American video game crash of 1983 is semi-protected. IX|(C"<) 19:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to contact me if you need extra admin support for the socks; I am always Angry and Willing. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie:, thanks, I appreciate it. I suppose, now that we're on the subject, what's your opinion on what to do with this guy? On one hand, the guy hasn't broken any rules yet, but on the other hand, it really seems like he's another sock. (He became active almost exactly after John Mayor lost talk page access, he keeps advocating that the systems that competed against the Nintendo Entertainment System are under-represented/underappreciated, etc.) I don't want to waste time, but don't want to be overly aggressive either. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 01:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I was a little conflicted about that as well. Assuming that it is him, he's certainly changed his tone and approach (at least the interactions I scanned through), but on the other hand, block evasion is block evasion. I noticed when he accidentally got logged out his IP traced to a research network in Greece, which to me smells like proxying. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
He does change his approach every so often. User:leeroyhim, for instance, was very polite and generally non-confrontational. There are almost as many personalities as accounts, but they are unified by a single agenda on video game history pages that don't tend to receive a lot of attention generally and by their often awkward and grammatically poor edits. At this point I don't think there is enough info yet to make a determination, but if he keeps editing, the agenda always comes out eventually. Indrian (talk) 15:34, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, his "John Mayor" account was pretty calm in the beginning too. I imagine the same will happen with this account. Things won't go his way, he'll get irritated, make a scene, and then probably either be blocked due to another positive SPI report or quacking too loud. Sergecross73 msg me 15:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I've considering putting a site-ban on Jakandsig mainly because of his disruptive edits and sockpuppetry. I can guess that Greek proxy is causing all of this sockpuppetry he has, and maybe that kind of ban can be done to both Jak and the proxy. IX|(C"<) 00:26, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
By "Greek proxy", I mean the IP from the Greek research network Jak used. The IP is "2001:648:2FFC:1225:A800:FF:FE2E:B06C". IX|(C"<) 00:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, about 48 hours of silence, at least. Let me know if you see anything new that is suspicious... Sergecross73 msg me 02:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Golden Cog is back, and promising major overhauls to five separate articles. I urge everyone to watch him carefully.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I'll be on close watch. Sergecross73 msg me 03:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll be there too. IX|(C"<) 03:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Cog/Jak's obviously feeling a bit discouraged by the suspicion, since he hasn't begun to overhaul the articles he tagged. Could this new account be his reaction? Does he really think any new account editing the same pages is likely to evade our suspicion? Or I am just being paranoid? Stay tuned to Wikipedia for more of When Socks Attack!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I believe his Holiness is definitely a sock, as his opening statement on the crash page fits Jak and friends to a tee. No doubt his excommunication will follow in short order if he starts making changes. Indrian (talk) 00:58, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I assumed it was a sock. At least that page is protected. Honestly, after Cog inevitably gets blocked, I'll probably go around a protect a bunch of his "underdog console" type articles, so none of his future socks will have immediate access to them. Sergecross73 msg me 01:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
The IP Jak used to inflate Atari 7800 sales to 10.77 million was just active at Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Blocked. Losing patience for this guy. Sergecross73 msg me 02:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
The IP that previously admitted to being Golden Cog has struck again. His new attempt to inflate Atari XEGS sales proves the connection between Cog and Jak's other sockpuppets.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I may just file an SPI about this. Jak's block needs to be extended for his continued evasion.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Smoking gun for User:Golden_Cog_Afternoon_Karate_Exit. The IP listed above that Golden admitted was him just attempted to restore bogus information that Jak and friends have tried to add on multiple occasions. Indrian (talk) 20:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and the IP also vandalized a page. That seems adequate grounds to block the IP, and I think there is a good case to be made for just blocking Golden as well. Indrian (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Blocked for block evasion. Sergecross73 msg me 20:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
SPI filed on Golden Cog/AustralianPope.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Kill it with fire? Indrian (talk) 21:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Let's add it to the SPI we're still waiting on Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind. Blocked all 3. Sergecross73 msg me 00:37, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Another one worth keeping an eye on. Indrian (talk) 01:11, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again for your work on all this. It probably does not matter much now, but it seems this account somehow fell through the cracks. I think it was added to one of the SPIs late in the process and then accidentally overlooked. Indrian (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Another new account at Atari XEGS, and I don't know if I trust his story.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Even more obvious sock.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And another.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:20, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll keep at it. I'll probably start protecting more of these obscure console articles he keeps going after, so he can't even start. Otherwise, keep alerting me of socks, but I'll probably keep discussion on them to a minimum per WP:DENY. Sergecross73 msg me 18:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And another. Indrian (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And now this IP is trying to restore AustralianPope material and claiming that he will log in to his "account" and block me. Indrian (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Send him my way when that happens. >_> Oh well, at least he's doing a good job of reminding me of pages that need to be protected. Sergecross73 msg me 19:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And here is a fun little temper tantrum. The edits have already been reverted, but some blocking and semi-protection may be in order. Indrian (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I am honestly sorry to have to keep spamming your page in such rapid succession, but here is another IP temper tantrum. Indrian (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
No, no problem at all. As long as you are willing to help with this, I'm happy to help. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I was angry that Jakandsig used this IP to unofficially block me, although he isn't an administrator. He's happily blocked. IX|(C"<) 20:31, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah he did that to the 4 of us, which the main purpose of "leaving a mark that can't be undone". Which, of course, can be undone by admin. Working through deleting outright. Sergecross73 msg me 20:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Today, we're having a ridiculous string of destructive short-lived sockpuppets by Jak. IX|(C"<) 20:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
IP seemed like a climax. Jakandsig started out as a minority, and then he grew worse over time with unravelings of his disruptive edits, sockpuppetry, lies, and incivility. Today we reached the top of the mountain: a hailstorm consisting of around 8 or more Jak sockpuppets with a sense of chaos were blocked within hours. He will be known as one of the worst cases of sockpuppetry. IX|(C"<) 21:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Now Jak is continuing his ridiculous campaign on his own talk page. Can his access be revoked, or does it need to be kept open in case he wants to appeal the indefinite block? I would think the personal attacks and delusional ranting would be enough to just shut it down. Indrian (talk) 21:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I want Jak to be permanently site-banned so that he wouldn't edit Wikipedia and create sockpuppets/accounts anyway. IX|(C"<) 21:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Sergecross73 for blocking Jakandsig indefinitely! Yay! =D IX|(C"<) 21:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I had yesterday, but just took away his talk page access. He'll tire himself out and stop once he gets caught every time. Or he'll have to conform so much to not be caught that he'd be a good editor. He seems incapable of the latter. Just keep reporting socks to me, and don't make a big deal out of it. He probably gets off on the delusion of notoriety. Sergecross73 msg me 21:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
He used IP to block me again. The link to the IP's contributions shows his first edit on February 11, 2011. IX|(C"<) 22:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Please indefinitely semi-protect both my userpage and user talk so that Jak can't edit those pages anymore. IX|(C"<) 22:14, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk page stalker here, It seems Jaks plan is to get as many Ips blocked as possible. I believe it may be to make it so other people can't edit or create accounts. Everytime I am about to edit, a page gets attacked. I think it's time to treat this as a more serious issue since he's actually damaging multiple pages in a short period of time. (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Gonna, if you protect your page only older users can communicate with you. Same goes for this page, which should never be protected since he is an administrative contact. (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I asked Sergecross73 to semi-protect my userpage and talk pages. IX|(C"<) 22:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I know that, I'm just warning you that only established users can contact you, or if you were to help a new user they would not be able to send you a reply to ask you for any further help. (talk) 22:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I get what you're saying right. IX|(C"<) 22:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Protected. Just message or email me when you want it taken away. As for my talk page, I have no intentions of protecting it. It's very quick and easy to rollback, and I've got a bunch of people watching my talk page too. On that note, since IPs don't have watchlists, I'm curious who this IP is. Jak? Or someone randomly signed out of their account? Sergecross73 msg me 22:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Don't let this sock slip through the cracks.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:28, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Huh, I first started arguing with him due to a request made at WP:VG, so I wasn't thinking of it like that. Seems plausible. Any other thoughts on him? Sergecross73 msg me 23:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Look at his generic user page. It's strikingly reminiscent of all of the other Jak socks. I'm sure Jak was hoping his massive tantrum would divert attention away from his serious account.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I just came across this user, KlausKoenig. Their talk page looks suspicious since was the user who created it. XXX8906 (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, but since the account hasn't been active since 2009 nor edited any video game-related articles, it probably isn't relevant.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's probably nothing, but I will be watching this IP just to stay safe.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. BustaBunny has been largely inactive so far too, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
After a brief respite, Busta Bunny appears to be active again. Let's hope our suspicions were ill-founded.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm. Now he's editing at the talk page for the Dreamcast too. That's strike two as far as editing at Jak's articles. Sergecross73 msg me 17:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
  • And he's back. It was such a nice little holiday. Indrian (talk) 15:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that too. Judging by his edits, he apparently is at least reading over WP:BASC. Good luck with with an SPI log like his. Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break[edit]

It's happening again....TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Lets keep an eye on these. I do agree that it does appear to be more of the defense of the poorer selling systems stuff going on here. Sergecross73 msg me 17:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
And again.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
And again.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now everything makes complete and total sense. That still is no ground to randomly start fights in my thread though serge. I probably should not have gotten mad tho so I have partial blame. Now I got to clean everything. SuperGangsterRapper95868686 (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't start a fight, I merely pointed out how similar your comments were to the last 15 sockpuppets on that same talk page. Then you went off the handle. Sergecross73 msg me 18:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I though you were. Mostly because of your first comment, I was not aware of anything so I figured you were derailing my thread. I suppose I owe you a small apology then. SuperGangsterRapper95868686 (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

  • I believe between the personal attacks, the similar behavior patters, and similar editing patterns there is enough here for you to act per WP:DUCK. Why don't we go ahead and put this one out of its misery? Indrian (talk) 19:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. He's editing the same articles, making the same arguments, and now discussing quite aggressively. All Jak traits. Not blocking the other names yet, but I am protecting the relevant Sega articles. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
(EC) SuperGangster's rant at North American video game crash has devolved into sheer raving incoherence and vitriolic personal attacks. It's striking that this supposedly new user already "needs a break from you people".TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, its pretty ridiculous how quickly he tends to break character. Definitely another sock. Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 20:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

So now BustaBunny is at the Intellivision article talk page. Another Jak landmark... Sergecross73 msg me 23:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this "Arb. break" until shortly after BustaBunny notified me of his edits to Q*bert and Talk:Q*bert which seemed okay. Mr*|(60nna) 23:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I've started an WP:AN/I thread about Jakandsig's sockpuppets here. Mr*|(60nna) 00:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Ugh, I'd rather not drag this through the pits of ANI. It'll just lead to more drama. I'm content with monitoring/protecting/blocking. Not sure ANI can offer us anything better.... Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
BustaBunny is now openly threatening to vandalize even non-gaming articles if he cannot get his way.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:33, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Mark Miller is aware of the disruptive edits of Jakandsig's sockpuppets (including BustaBunny). Were this sockpuppetry to continue with no easy end, then I can say Jakandsig is one of the worst sockpuppeteers ever. Mr*|(60nna) 02:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Blocked per WP:DUCK, closed per WP:DENY. He's awful, but lets try to DENY him the recognition. Sergecross73 msg me 02:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Mr*|(60nna) 02:43, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I consider this new account to be highly suspicious.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
And this one, too.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, both aren't as bad as most of the instant-block socks, but should probably keep an eye on them. (Coincidence that he's arguing against GameRankings a week after I was involved in defending it? Not sure...) Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I thought he was doing it because of the GameRankings links I just added to Sega Saturn. (It's not as though GR is a perfect source, but I'd like to see him propose a superior version of "Game library" rather than just complaining about the fact that it's hard to find sources about old Saturn games.)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Today, I reverted some of the edits by inactive/blocked Jak sockpuppets, include one on Mega Man X4. Mr*|(60nna) 23:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
And I discovered [this apparent Jak sockpuppet] with almost the exact same name as "Jakandsig", just add a "z" to the end. Mr*|(60nna) 23:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
In addition to switching to an IP at Sega Saturn's talk page, it seems likely that Jak has created this new account to defend the honor of the Atari Jaguar. It's a very "Jak" account name, although there haven't been any Jak/Afroman-style meltdowns just yet.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 05:28, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I think I'm content to just start ignoring his new names who pose complaints on talk pages, as long as the article is protected. Other people can look into his constant POV questioning (or he can just be ignored.) As far as Afroman goes, I'm ready to block him. The irate rant and random logging out is enough to convince me, unless anyone objects. Anyone? Sergecross73 msg me 13:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I recommend you block AfroMan, then block this IP. Mr*|(60nna) 22:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
I can't say I would object, because I have no doubts that he is a sockpuppet, but Afroman has demonstrated that he can be a constructive editor.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
CrimeInvestigation&Patrol reverted my edit of Quake (video game) because it had "influenced by" in it. I added back "Initially", replacing "At the start". I assume he is a Jak sockpuppet, considering his username. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I think his username meant "to look at and crack down edits deemed unfair." }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Now he reverted your most recent edit of Rune Factory 4, which I reverted twice. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi there! Wanted to clear up some things in case there was any confusion, especially for Mr.Change.
  1. Your edit in Quake damaged part of the paragraph and made it read like "influenced by who wields a giant hammer" which is a broken sentence.
  2. You and this users edit in Rune Factory 4 do not contain a source that proves the European version was cancelled, or the dates of that supposed cancellation. If you have a source, simply add it in and restore. I tried looking for one for both of you, but was not able to find a reliable source to edit in.
Let me know if you have any more questions. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 21:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for putting in a reliable source. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. Finally, he's actually improving. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
While I will admit that it is the responsibility of the ones challenged to provide a source, at the same time, @CrimeInvestigation&Patrol:, you really should try doing a simple google search rather than challenging it so aggressively. This was a widely reported thing, a few seconds at Google would have cleared this up for you pretty easily. Sergecross73 msg me 21:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
AfroMan, like CrimeInvestigation&Patrol, was better than Jakandsig, but he had problems as well. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
You're partially right, I only went with one quick search on Bing, and looking back, I probably did not put in the right wording and did not get accurate results. Just "European Rune Factory 4" alone would have given me the correct results. I will be sure to take more time when searching for a source in the future. But luckily, it's all taken care of now.
Mr.Change, thanks again for finding that reference. But be careful with your edits so they don't end up like the Quake Article. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── If we truly believe they are Jak, then policy says they should be blocked per WP:BLOCKEVASION. There is WP:OFFER, he's nowhere near any of the criteria right now. Sergecross73 msg me 22:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

No matter whatever they do, it's obvious that despite some good constructive edits, CrimeInvestigation&Patrol and AfroMan must be blocked because they're Jakandsig sockpuppets sharing Jak's traits like aggression. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I am disappointed that even when we attempt to engage Afroman, Jak still feels the need to use alternate accounts/IPs.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I must applaud Mr.Changes flawless logic of me being a sockpuppet because I corrected an edit of his that broke a page (happens all the time looking around many articles, even I did it once). Judging from the above comment no one checked up on that. Which may explain why my Gears of War edit was also reverted without anyone checking the actual link. Come on guys, let's put in a bit more effort in what we're doing instead of taking actions without actually doing fact checks. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Says the person who couldn't perform a simple Google search to find out Rune Factory 4 was cancelled in Europe? Taking your lecturing on "putting forth more effort" somewhere else, Mr. "Two-days-of-editing". Sergecross73 msg me 18:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Comparing me using Bing with the wrong words quickly, to you not looking at the sources that Wikipedia needs to be accurate for reliability is not a comparison one can actually make. What's even stranger is you act like new users can't use that big help button on the left side of the site and read all the rules and such before posting, so I am not sure why you came to the conclusion I was giving you a lecture like you were new/under me thus the 2 day comment.
I wanted to point out that It is important for people to look at the references they are reverting, because references are very important and need to be accurate or an article is pretty much trash. See WP:REF, WP:CITE, and WP:INCITE. You seem to be heated right now looking at your recent edits so I'll just wait for you to be less combative. Let us be more neutral.. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 19:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Its also up to you to explain your edits. You still haven't explained why you're changing the source, you just keep vague referring to it being "better" and instructing others to research it themselves. Say it yourself if you want the change to stick. Sergecross73 msg me 19:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Sergecross73, can you please block indefinitely both CrimeInvestigation&Patrol and TheRealAfroMan so that those two Jak sockpuppets don't bother us anymore? }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 23:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I've been debating what to do here, on whether or not it's easier to babysit Jak with new names all the time, or with the same name. Still not sure. I'll tell you what though: if you file another Jak SPI, and it comes back "likely/confirmed", I'll block them in a second. Sergecross73 msg me 23:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Regardless of the nonsense in this conversation about me. I believe when a user straight up lies in an edit summary it's your job to do something. Saturn article is what I am referring to. Apparently I "added" source to troll everyone. I had no idea that I add things but removing it. interesting.

BTW I agree with the above action, which looking it up, may get Mr.Slowga off my back and resolve a few other problems. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 23:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break 2[edit]

I've started another SPI. Please give input, Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, TheTimesAreAChanging, Indrian, and/or anyone who's a talk page stalker who has any relevant input. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 01:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to show bad faith, but I think this recently created account should at least be added to the current SPI just in case. (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Here's another account that is much more suspicious, editing the Atari 5200 article that was last edited by John Mayor ERS. He also contributed to the N-gage article that contained edits by both Golden Cog and KombatPolice. I would suggest you add this user to the the SPI log as well. (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Probably good to keep an eye on, but its too early to add to the SPI report yet. Neither is spending much time on obscure video game articles or POV pushing really. Sergecross73 msg me 19:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, but I would keep a good eye on RedAnt though. (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You should take a look at this IP. He's rapidly reverting Gonna's edits on multiple articles. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

  • There's nothing to take a look at, I follow this talk page like you do. He knows he can't just revert users that are not confirmed socks because he wants to. The two accounts are not even on the SPI list. I pinged him on the SPI and told him to post any evidence he had found to Sergecross. (talk) 16:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you please semi-protect Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, because there's an edit war done by JakIIDax against me over the article. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I also want that article semi-protected indefinitely because it was edited by a Jak sockpuppet. }IMr*|..(60nna)I{ 18:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you block JakIIDax please because he is disrespectful toward me. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Jak is back, editing Sega consoles and returning to one of his earliest loves, Asteroids.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Blocked, along with everyone else at the latest SPI, as far as I can tell. Keep me posted when you find more. Sergecross73 msg me 00:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
This old suspected Jak sock, inactive for a month, suddenly reappeared less than an hour after Newjeanspotatoe was blocked.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Reverted Wonderworldamusementpark's edit on Dreamcast. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 02:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Here's the latest Jak attack.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
I apologize for not acting on this one. Sorry, I've been short on WP time lately. SPI could be a good venue, since the accounts don't appear to be at the aggressive/confrontational stage yet... Sergecross73 msg me 23:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Aaaannnd the socks I listed were all confirmed. Gee whiz, what a surprise!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it really looks like that "Go ahead and send me to SPI, it'll clear my name" approach Jak uses is pretty much another sign that its Jak. Using the same, weak bluff all the time, and it never works. Go figure. Sergecross73 msg me 14:05, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break 3[edit]

[1]Here's another possible sockpuppet. XXX8906 (talk) 11:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if it's a sock or just someone who really struggle with grammar and writing sentences, but I'll keep an eye on it either way. Sergecross73 msg me 14:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
The person is actually becoming a bit of a problem on both the Mario and Luigi articles... --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Left him a warning. Keep me posted... Sergecross73 msg me 10:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Here's two possible IP sockpuppets: [2][3]. The geolocate information for both IPs show the same city, as well as similar latitude and longitude.
Nothing too bad yet, but keep me posted. If it persists I can protect the page again... Sergecross73 msg me 16:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that XXX8906 got a little overzealous on this one. The doteaters site was actually completely redone at some point and all the links changed, so our link to the crash article no longer worked properly. The anon was just fixing the link to point to the proper place. Indrian (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Gotcha, good to know. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:00, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I suspect this user of being another possible sockpuppet. XXX8906 (talk) 14:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


On that post that I made earlier, I had said: "here's an another biased opinion: __________________________________________". I said at least I didn't wish death upon them, and if I did, it was the emotions that I had displayed on that particular topic. I also said: I shouldn't say this, but I wish that I want them to be dead (in my opinion). So I had two sentences, and they were all about biased and I my thoughts and opinions on Nickelback being dead. Either way, it was wrong of me to do such things on Wikipedia, of all things... yeah, that's atrocious. There you go, my friend, I'm taking full responsibility of what I posted and said, and I'm not going to argue and say some bullshit just to get out of the trouble that I did; I'm not 14 again. Sorry about that. panicpack121 14:31, 19 April 2014.


I note that you left a final warning on Christopher10006's talk page. I've had some concerns about the competency of this editor for some time now. Shortly before your final warning he moved Up, Up and Away (song) to Up, Up, and Away (song) because he felt there should be an extra comma in the title. This is another of his silly WP:OR moves. He also made some edits to the article, again without providing sources for his changes.[4] Just after your warning he made some edits at [{WP:RM]] that demonstrate the OR used in the move.[5] Since then there have been some very questionable edits.

There are several more minor errors that the editor has made but these are the worst. Despite this editor having made more than 1,100 edits over 19 months, he still doesn't seem able to learn. Even when he does occasionally gets something right, he clearly doesn't understand why he's done what he's done.[6] --AussieLegend () 10:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Agreed here. He's also made problematic edits to Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U in the past, such as moving the article against consensus and redoing edits reverted by other users. The user also uploads copyrighted images and tags them as in the public domain. The competency of this user is definitely in question. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 14:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both. He is on the thinnest of this ice...but I don't want to block him quite yet, just because it seems like since the warning, they fall more into "good faith mistakes" than outright going directly against what I said. I'll keep an eye on him, and please keep me posted on what you two notice too. Sergecross73 msg me 03:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
As a TPS of Christopher, it appears he has not improved since your last warning. He still continues to make edits based on his own OR. Think it's worth intervening at this point? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:21, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Which edits are you especially against? (I'm not doubting you or anything, I just haven't seen his work since we last discussed this...) Sergecross73 msg me 19:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
This one stood out in particular: "if you watch the credits..." He has also introduced edits that were reverted at least twice, on the basis of "TV Guide uses this." 1 2. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
48 hour block. Let me now if you see it again. Sergecross73 msg me 20:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Well, we've seen it again. Less than a week after release from his block another editor has complained about him making more inappropriate page moves, which he's been warned about previously. Then, today, he made another one of his WP:OR based edits, substituting a production code supported by two reliable sources in the article with not one but two production codes that aren't supported by sources. Both of these have resulted in warnings on his talk page. He just doesn't seem to want to learn and editors are getting sick of it. --AussieLegend () 04:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

And, despite my warning, he's just reverted my edit despite the warning I left on his talk page.[7] --AussieLegend () 04:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Fireball24fire again[edit]

As a continuation of this discussion that was archived, Fireball24fire is trying to force decorative Non-Free images into articles again, despite the last warning I gave. The screenshot in question is this one. First it was used in Mario Kart to show "time trials", but it's an extremely poor representation of the mode. Then he switched its use to Lakitu, to show the character. The image is still bad because the character is barely in the image, let alone the focus. Then he tried using it in Time limit (video gaming). Again, poor choice. It's obvious he doesn't care if the images he uploads are actually useful. Would you mind assisting? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I gave him a warning. Let me know if he doesn't stop. I can give him a final warning, and then after that a block, if he won't at least discuss... Sergecross73 msg me 01:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
When the image was nominated for deletion as it was orphaned, he reverted my edit and tried to put the screenshot back into Lakitu again. He undid the nomination for deletion for the following reason: "It stays because Lakitu is a perfect spot for this because he is the Mario Kart referee." I have reverted his edits and re-nominated the image. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Was it like removing a PROD, where it is acceptable to remove? Or like an AFD tag, where they aren't supposed to be removed? I agree with you, and will give him a final warning, though I'd feel better about blocking him next time if there were a recent discussion that he was overtly ignoring... (It seems like much of it lately is just through edit summaries. Sergecross73 msg me 17:25, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
He's at it again. With this particular image, he uploaded a new version that didn't need to be uploaded. What's even worse is this is a repeat of what he did earlier (updating with a Mario Kart 8 image simply because it's available), and I explicitly mentioned back in March that it was a bad image and he should stop. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:13, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Gave him a final warning. I'm torn with him. He's not being that bad, but he's also making no effort to change... Sergecross73 msg me 16:12, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Another useless, decorative image. It's basically a copy of the other image I linked above. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Heads up-- this user is likely a sock puppet of Fireball24fire. This user stopped editing around the same time Fireball started editing again on May 12 (only minutes apart from each other), following a 2 month absence. This user re-added this bad screenshot uploaded by Fireball to Lakitu. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Agreed, only he would think that's a good image of Lakitu. Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 19:12, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Kristeen Young[edit]

Hello Serge, I would need your help to protect this article where there was a huge wp:vandalism from an anonymous ip on 21 May at 3:36. Several sources proving that this singer has collaborated with famous acts/producers such as David Bowie, Dave Grohl, Morrissey, Brian Molko or Tony Visconti, plus a picture, have been erased: this was clearly a lame attempt from a singer's detractor. Woovee (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Woovee. I do support your edit, and agree the IP's edit was bad, but protection is usually saved for when repeated problems. This only happened once recentl, correct? Let's wait and see if they even come back again first... Sergecross73 msg me 22:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
New episode, there was a second vandalism from an ip today A few detractors want to attack her image apparently. I took a look at the history of the article and found out that the same kind of information had already been reverted in the past from an anonymous ip (the tone of the comment here is agressive) It seems that every detail concerning her collaborations with prestigious acts (Bowie, Morrissey, Tony Visconti) is each time put out on purpose. Woovee (talk) 16:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


Since you are an Admin and clearly a Sega fan I wanted to ask how come Sega-16 is not on the list of recognized secondary references?--Cube b3 (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

It's actually being discussed currently at - I told them to join in the discussion that you made, which is actually the right place, but you can read at the link for some background information. Sergecross73 msg me 10:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


I was wondering if you could help ensure that the eventual consensus (whatever it may be) is fulfilled. Niemti seems to have indicated that he won't acknowledge the discussion unless it's done through AfD. Right now I'm trying to keep it open so any consensus formed is definitive, but I just want to be able to make sure that Niemti does not just simply revert any merging. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 10:11, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

If consensus is reached to merge, then I'll be sure to enforce that consensus for you. (Though I may need your help to notify me of people like Niemti going against the consensus. They're not something I normally monitor/maintain and my time for randomly patrolling the project has been less lately.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


Hello! I wanted to let you know that your signature is in violation of policy because it uses the deprecated "font" tag. I have made you a visually identical signature using the acceptable "span" tag:

[[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]]

Which yields:

Sergecross73 msg me

--AmaryllisGardener talk 18:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*crickets chirping* --AmaryllisGardener talk 17:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I've mostly been editing from a mobile phone lately, and figured it I'd implement this when back on a computer. It's not that pressing, is it? Sergecross73 msg me 17:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
No need to hurry, I was just afraid you had forgotten about it, since I saw you answering others here on your talk page. --AmaryllisGardener talk 17:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I think its been switched and fixed, FYI, AmaryllisGardener. Sergecross73 msg me 02:18, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Looks good now. Thanks! --AmaryllisGardener talk 02:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


Well look at this, Sergecross73. It has become clear to be that User: Chopra.nitin96 evaded his block with the sockpuppet account User: Naam toh suna hi hoga, which he has continued to edit from since the end of his block. Notice the overwhelming focus on Linkin Park articles, and that Naam toh suna hi hoga was created right when Chopra.nitin96 found out he was blocked and was used heavily during his block. If the sockpuppetry is clear RAZORS.OUT / SUICIDE MUSIC should be deleted per CSD:G5. STATic message me! 06:53, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

They certainly have penchant for trivial additions to Linkin Park related things. I'll look into this. Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
It looks more then WP:DUCK to me, if you do not think it is as obvious as me, I will be happy to open a SPI so a clerk can check this out. Unless User: Ponyo is not too busy to give this a quick look... STATic message me! 02:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, the more I write that comment, the more I felt DUCK applies. Was going to wait for his reply, but I wouldn't bother seeking help elsewhere, leaning very heavily towards blocking... Sergecross73 msg me 03:00, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I do find this edit interesting though. Although, that could just be to throw us off. It's not like his actual editing reflects that sort of thought process. Also suspicious neither have edited since the warning... Sergecross73 msg me 16:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Well what's the matter man! I did not make another account! I just replied to Sergecross73 that the account could be my uncle's! I'm not even confirmed on that! Just check the IP address or whatever! because, I don't know anything about this matter! If I would do so, then I would edit the page Medal of Honor: Warfighter (EA Games Soundtrack) from the fake account! I provided the reference link there using my ip address,! Please help me! Chopra.nitin96 (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Static, I'm going to be tied up for a bit. If you want to take the time to pursue it, I'd fully support it though. Sergecross73 msg me 18:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

So Serge, what do you suggest we do with RAZORS.OUT / SUICIDE MUSIC and A Light That Never Comes (Remixes)? I know at least the first was created during Chopra.nitin96's block and the second might have been created during his second block, because I saw that his "uncle" was editing during Chopra.nitin96's block. STATic message me! 18:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Quite frankly, looking at the Linkin Park article templates, I feel like there's a ton of articles that ought to be redirected. (Crap like Living Things +.) Been debating on if/when to do this now. As you've probably noticed, the LP fanbase is very active and obstinent at the moment. I'll probably do it eventually. I fully support you in any redirect/deletion efforts in the meantime though. Sergecross73 msg me 18:48, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind, just went for it. My other points still stand though. Sergecross73 msg me 18:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate articles[edit]

FYI Acoustic Sessions (Shinedown EP) Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

edit warring on an article[edit]

This article on Siouxsie and the Banshees needs to be locked at this version. One recent contribution has been reverted by three different users 1 2 3 and yet, despite the fact that there is a discussion on the article's talk page, this user keeps on wp:PUSHing. Woovee (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Concerns by the users were addressed in subsequent edits (better references were added), so these were not simply reverts. I am now waiting for more input before making changes. And btw I was the one who initiated the discussion on talk; others just reverted.Faustian (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't object to its inclusion IF better sources are found. Also, Faustian, reverts or not, slow down and make the changes once there is a consensus. There's no rush. Sergecross73 msg me 18:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Xenoblade Chronicles X[edit]

Xenoblade Chronicles X is the spiritual successor to Xenoblade Chronicles, not the sequel. (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Aren't they directly related though? They virtually have the same name. Spiritual sequels are usually more like unofficial continuations.
This seems more like the second. Sergecross73 msg me 17:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

No, Xenoblade 2015 is not related to Xenoblade 2010 story-wise. The guy from Nintendo said so on the official stream at the E3. The games have the same title, but Xenoblade 2015 is not the sequel to Xenoblade 2010. (talk) 18:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Stories don't have to be related to count as sequels. And even if Xenoblade Chronicles X isn't a sequel, it sure isn't a "spiritual successor". TheStickMan[✆Talk] 18:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

It has been official said that Xenoblade Chronicles X is the spiritual successor to Xenoblade Chronicles. What kind of statement do you need now? (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Really? That's odd. Was it said in the Nintendo presentation yesterday? TheStickMan[✆Talk] 18:28, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes. But even the official twitter of Nintendo of America says so: (talk) 18:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't personally believe they used the right term, but if that's what the sources say, I won't remove it again. I also won't personally keep it in as I continue to maintain the article, and I believe people will probably remove it over time unless someone actively monitors it... Sergecross73 msg me 18:42, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I will remove it myself if that info was false. But now there is no reason not to believe the info. (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, like I said, I doubt it due to the two words definitions, but we'll stick to the source for now. Future sources may clear this up better too. Sergecross73 msg me 22:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Christopher10006 again[edit]

I've just come across this editor. Further to the discussion above and your recent messages on User talk:Christopher10006: his edits are still a strange mix of good and bad (e.g. this which I've reverted). He's clearly unwilling (unable?) to explain his actions and competence does seem to be an issue. Difficult case, but I'd be inclined to indef block which will force him to learn quickly if he wants the account back. What do you think?  —SMALLJIM  11:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

It's funny, when I first started reading this, I thought It was yet another editor requesting I block him myself, something I've been wrestling with how to handle. This time I was already contemplating if it should a long block or an indef block. I see that's not the case. Anyways, it's up to you. He definitely needs a block, and I wouldn't oppose any length, even and indef. Just let me know, because I think the only scenario I'd oppose if both of us forgetting about it and nothing happening. Let me know, Smalljim. Sergecross73 msg me 12:03, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, I've applied an indef block. In view of your other attempts to help him, you might consider adding a friendly note? I do prefer indefinite blocks because they force the person to make a commitment instead of being able to just sit out the block and then continue unchanged, working their way through another set of warnings – we see this happening time after time. The downside is extra work for another admin in dealing with any appeal, of course, and for the record I'll say that if Christopher10006 was to appeal showing a reasonable understanding what he has done wrong and a commitment to improve, then as far as I'm concerned, he could be unblocked. Once.  —SMALLJIM  15:14, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
That's an interesting approach. Not what I typically do, but what you say does make sense. I'm more than willing to try it. I'll try talking with him a bit too. I'd still like to see his point of view on all if this. He hasn't been very responsive on his talk page... Sergecross73 msg me 00:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that – I've seen the post-block discussion, which has certainly clarified a few things for me. I think we should now suggest to him that the next step he should take is to read up on the guide to appealing blocks, and then, if he feels he can meet the requirements, he should lodge a formal appeal. Shall I do that or do you think there's benefit in continuing discussion with him? Incidentally, so that there's full disclosure we should also let him know of this discussion.  —SMALLJIM  12:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree, and it's completely up to you. I can or you can. Sergecross73 msg me 18:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Done.  —SMALLJIM  23:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

IP Attack on List of Sega Genesis games[edit]

A few different IPs have been edit warring against existing consensus to include unsourced "genre" information in the Featured List of Sega Genesis games, and their efforts have recently escalated. I'd appreciate you looking into the matter and perhaps protecting the page for awhile. Thanks in advance for any assistance,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Protected. Sergecross73 msg me 10:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The Hunting Party producers[edit]

Hello, I have a confusion about the producers of the album. Please discuss this on the talk page of the album. Please do the needful. Thank you! Mike:Golu · [ ChitChat ] 09:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment[edit]

Hi Sergecross. Can you take a look at my FL candidate, List of thrash metal bands, and eventually leave a comment or vote at the review page? Thanks a bunch.--Retrohead (talk) 10:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean to bother you, but can you at least say whether I can count on your input or should I ask someone else?--Retrohead (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, forgot about this. I'll look at this tomorrow. Sergecross73 msg me 00:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


Hi, can we discuss the "krautrock" matter on Signify, if you look at the krautrock page there are many bands and artists (Radiohead, David Bowie, QOTSA) that were influenced by krautrock but because it was a scene rather than a genre they are not listed in the info boxes for the artists. Lukejordan02 (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure. There's a reliable source that days it pretty directly, but sure. Sergecross73 msg me 03:05, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, have you finished talking to me of are you just busy? Lukejordan02 (talk) 03:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

A request[edit]

Hi Sergecross, firstly just wanted to say thanks for your recent edits to video game articles; additionally could you please move List of Sonic the Hedgehog video game characters to simply just List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters, as 1) the list of comic book characters has been merged, 2) the video game characters list covers the major characters in the entire Sonic the Hedgehog franchise, not just the video games, and 3), List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters already redirects there.

It's fairly uncontroversial so I don't think a requested move is necessary, though I can't move it myself as I lack the necessary userrights to do so.

Many thanks! :) Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 11:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Satellizer. Thanks for the kind words. I've thought of doing this before myself, but was worried that if I changed it, people would start adding the "Princess Sally" and other comic-only characters on the list. Though, if the inclusion criteria is 2 game appearances, it wouldn't be an issue. Or we could leave a note that those characters should be listed at the comic's page? Let me know your thoughts. If you still want me to do it, I trust your judgment, and will make the change. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I believe that the list should only contain relatively major characters, and the 2 game appearances threshold seems to me the best in separating the major from the minor ones; I don't believe any of the comics characters are prominent enough to be classified as "major", though I haven't read them so I could be wrong. In any case leaving a note saying that the comics characters should be listed on the comics' page seems to me the best course of action. Also, thanks for the kind words as well! Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 08:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the move! Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 01:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
No problem. Sorry it took a day or two. I've been busy. Sergecross73 msg me 01:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Linkin Park's fifth studio album listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Linkin Park's fifth studio album. Since you had some involvement with the Linkin Park's fifth studio album redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The Little Things Give You Away[edit]

Need your help for this one. User:Launchballer made an article for "The Little Things Give You Away", which is absolutely unnecessary. Two users claimed that it's unnecessary to have an article from Minutes to Midnight (album). If that user reverts my edits cause of me redirecting the page to its exact article, then block that user for it. Those two users doesn't like the way it was created as of today. Thank you, and I hope you do your best to help us out. User:Skylar3214 12:56, 26 June 2014

I agree with you, I don't believe it meets the GNG. However, I can't block someone for good faith challenging that, unless they're violating WP:3RR or edit warring or something. I'll keep an eye on it though. You could always send it to AFD or start a discussion about it on the talk page if he continues to be persistent about it. Going against a consensus at one of those would be a blockable offense. Sergecross73 msg me 20:13, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, the user is apparently violating and edit warring at the same time. That user's obviously got something against me, I had to keep redirecting it, but Launchballer keeps changing it back to the way it is. And now, the user just starting to smart mouth me for no reason. User:Skylar3214 3:19, 26 June 2014

Now four removals, according to the history. If you check the talk page, you will see that the conversation between two users which Skylar3214 refers to occurred seven years ago.--Launchballer 22:43, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, you both edit warred, and you were both blocked. Quite frankly, Skylar, you got off lightly. Had I blocked you, it probably would have been longer. Sergecross73 msg me 00:08, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Geno Lenardo[edit]

The page about Geno Lenardo from Filter was redirected. I don't know who did it, and why that happened. User:Skylar3214 4:54, 29 June 2014

That's fine, I do enjoy his work, but there's not a lot of info out there on him. I undid your changes mostly do to the links to Disturbed and Filtet, not him. Sergecross73 msg me 00:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

But it does call for lots of resources and information, if it wants to make it back on Wikipedia's notability guideline in music. It got me confused for a minute back there. That's all I wanted to know. User:Skylar3214 5:11, 29 June 2014

He's been in 2 notable bands Filter (band) and Device (metal band), so he's probably notable. It all depends on if someone works hard to write the article and find sources though. Sergecross73 msg me 00:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you at this point. Thank you for telling me about this. I just wanted you to let me know. User:Skylar3214 5:18, 29 June 2014

Radio Edit on "Guilty All the Same"[edit]

The term "radio edit" isn't proper for one version on "Guilty All the Same". Somebody said it is, but it's not for me. I know it's supposed to be labeled as "Radio Edit", but it kept saying "radio edit" instead. The "R" and the "E" are to stay capitalized for the radio edit version of the song. I'm sorry if I am telling you this, but I hope you agree with me on this. Skylar3214 5:29, 5 July 2014

I'm not sure I understand the problem...and looking up your edit history isn't helping either. I'm not sure what you're talking about... Sergecross73 msg me 16:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Look up "Radio Edit" on Guilty All the Same from a user's talk page, and you'll see for yourself. Skylar3214 11:29, 6 July 2014

In the track listing on "Guilty All the Same" when (radio edit) appears, this user wants it to be capitalized as Radio Edit for some odd reason. They have bugged me about this for weeks and still have not given up seemingly, I have no idea why it is such a minor thing. STATic message me! 18:34, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
"A users talkpage" is all the guidance you can give me on where this is happening...? Sergecross73 msg me 18:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Is this being discussed anywhere else? Has anyone indicated why we'd want it to be capitalized for this instance? Sergecross73 msg me 18:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely not, Static. It isn't proper for "radio edit" to look like that, and no, I never give up on anything. "Radio Edit" is more proper for a version of a song. Skylar3214 5:24, 6 July 2014

Okay, but can you define "proper" here? According to what exactly? Sergecross73 msg me 00:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

It's just unnecessary for "radio edit" to appear for a version of this song. It should be labeled as "Radio Edit" instead. Skylar3214 6:18, 6 July 2014

But why. You still haven't explained why? Is there a policy or guideline you're applying to this? Is there a reason why this radio edited song is different from others? Sergecross73 msg me 01:26, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure which one, but I still agree that "Radio Edit" is more suitable than "radio edit". Skylar3214 6:40, 6 July 2014

You're going to need a point of reference like a guideline or a precedent if you're going to convince anyone... Sergecross73 msg me 02:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
To be fair, "Radio Edit" with capitals intact is standard to see on, say, iTunes and often on the CD track listing. I think the most relevant point, though, is that it's not part of the song's title. If they were playing that version in concert, for example, they wouldn't say "Alright, how many of you awesome fans have heard of a song called 'Guilty All the Same (Radio Edit)'?" I'd compare this to how most rap songs nowadays are featuring someone - Wikipedia wouldn't list a song title as "I'm Rich and I'm Bringing Auto-Tune Back, Bitch (feat. Lupe Fiasco, Common, Chief Keef, Cher Lloyd, Eminem, Tupac's Ghost, Travis Barker, Henry Mancini, Merzbow, the Rappin' Grandmas from That One Episode of Malcolm in the Middle, and Some Homeless Guy Who Wouldn't Leave Us Alone and Insisted He Was Born to MC)". Tezero (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I didn't realize they were listed with caps on ITunes, so that's good to know. (Can't recall personally ever purchasing a radio edit myself.) I'm not sure that what Skylar was referencing though, considering he failed to articulate that the last 3+ times I've asked... Sergecross73 msg me 19:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't get one Serge, so I need a question that I can easily answer instead of a difficult one. And I agree with Tezero, who's got a very good point about it. Skylar3214 2:34, 7 July 2014

(talk page stalker) I think what everyone here wants you to do is to explain exactly what makes "Radio Edit" better than "radio edit". You've been terribly vague about why you prefer the capitalized version, so it would be a lot more helpful if you gave everyone more insight into your reasoning.
Also, wouldn't agreeing with Tezero be the same thing as agreeing that "radio edit" should NOT be capitalized? The phrase doesn't seem to be part of the song title (unless you're trying to say it is), so by Tezero's definition it should stay in lowercase. 23:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I'm confused again. Which one was the "difficult question"? I only asked you one question - "Why"? Do you mean to tell me that defending your edit is that difficult of a question?? Sergecross73 msg me 23:31, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, fine. You win. Let it say in lowercase then! When I got the song since it came out in March 2014, I never put "radio edit" in lowercase. Skylar3214 5:53, 8 July 2014

Hyrule Warriors[edit]

He man, how you doin'. I saw you undoing again, but the article refers to: character MOVES, character WEIGHT classes, unlockable characters. etc. Not the basic information. People use wikimedia to see that data in an overview. I understand that wikia is more a website for detailed game info, but I disagree with not listing the basic players (like every game has). Or it should be expanded. Please reply. And have a great day :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinhio84 (talkcontribs) 14:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't see the difference between "unlockable characters" and "characters". Bare lists like that aren't used unless there's a paragraph of information to go after them, (like Tales of Graces) or of the characters used is crucial to understanding the premise of the entire game (like a crossover game like Super Smash Bros. 4.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Potential super powers[edit]

Yeah, that's fine. I don't care; I was just wondering. Hell, I stalked your talk page earlier today. Anyhow, here's an accusation of pro-Russian bias and Russian nationality, here's an unoffensive but obstinate and poorly formatted request, and here's an ironic condemnation of the article's perceived laughably poor quality, along with another suggestion that my familial link to Eastern Europe extends to the present day. You can decide what to do; I just want the article to gain a reasonable level of stability.

Oh, and I haven't merged any of the Sonic characters since Wisps. You can do that if you want. I guess I'm not picky as long as the section is reasonably complete for the average reader; I'm probably going to be rewriting everything there anyway if I decide to pull through with the characters topic, since it would need to be an FL. Not that I want anything to do with character articles in the near future, but you know... Tezero (talk) 01:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I gave the IP a warning. Let me know if he doesn't stop, or gets worse out of spite or something (I don't especially intend to keep following the discussion unless you need Admin like assistance, which is fine to request of me, just because I'm pretty disinterested in things like politics typically.) If he doesn't get better, I'll give him a last chance, and then a block. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 02:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I hate to be burdensome, but would you mind keeping an eye on the GAN altogether? You know, just seeing to it that the acrimony eventually flattens out and the citations get fixed to something above bare links. I've been spouting for a while that a Wikibreak is upon me, but it's about time to put my money where my mouth is, because my last GAN for the time being is finally done and some IRL events in the coming weeks make excessive Wikipedia editing a bad idea. Or maybe you can find someone who's as neutral as you or me and willing to stir the cauldron. Tezero (talk) 04:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sergecross73 I would like to report that Tezero is correct about ip user for being disruptive on the Potential Superpower GA discussion and disruptive editing on the Potential Superpowers article. I agree with Tezero that I too want the Potential Superpowers article to gain a reasonable level of stability adding Russia in as a superpower with the sources needed if editors can start to agree and allow in. However I will report the example problems with ip user of ip hoping as I kept the ip's editing history for questioning; who is speaking entirely against Russia in all ip’s I found below. All the same editor, all ip addresses are from Florence Italy. I would like to discredit this user out of this discussion since it is all the same wording slamming disruptive edits against Russia since 2013 that this is not effective when users like this are disruptive and are doing the opposite. Here is the list with links of the contributes starting July 8, 2014‎ -[8] , July 7, 2014[9], March 17, 2014 -[10], April 2013 - Bocca Trabaria[11], March 2014 -[12], March 2014 -[13], Sept 23, 2013 -[14], Sept 15, 2013 -[15], March 18, 2014 -[16], March 18, 2014 -[17], March 17, 2014 -[18], March 16, 2014 -[19], March 16, 2014 -[20], March 15, 2014 -[21], March 15, 2014 -[22], March 15, 2014 -[23], Feb 4, 2014 -[24], Feb 4, 2014-[25], Dec 28, 2013 -[26], Dec 27, 2013 -[27], Dec 27, 2013 -[28], Dec 25, 2013 -[29], Dec 23, 2013 -[30], Dec 22, 2013 -[31], Sept 8, 2013 -[32], August 14, 2013 -[33], May 10, 2013 – Mediolanum[34], Oct 22, 2013 - Glc72[35], May 21, 2013 -[36], May 14, 2013 -[37], May 14, 2013 -[38], May 11, 2013 - Bocca_Trabaria[39]
That is the list which this ip user is certainly not a good editor because of past disruption on this very subject. If you click on the URL links above, you'll notice the same writing style and same pushing on the same subject. I appreciate your help, thanks.-- (talk) 09:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Tezero - I'll try to keep an eye on it, and I've got a bunch of "talk page stalkers" that may also see this and help. (Though, since I never edit in the area of politics, the type of people who have watchlisted my talk page may not really either.) I feel like page protection could be warranted, but at the same time, could protecting it be a "concession of instability" that could hurt your GAN efforts. Let me know of you'd like me to do it or not. Sergecross73 msg me 12:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't go full-protection, although I can't stop you if you want to. Semi-protection I normally think is a bit overdone, but here I think it could be helpful because there's so much drama with which IP is who; they can just get accounts if they want to continue. And yeah, I'm well aware that it's unstable now, but eventually it should boil over. Thanks, by the way. But what do you mean by "hurting my GAN efforts"? Does an article turning unstable while I'm reviewing it make my reviews worth less or something...? Tezero (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry, I rarely do a full protect. (Only one time comes to mind ever actually.) I just meant semi. And while I could be wrong, because I'm only conceptually familiar with the GA process, rather than doing it first hand myself, but I was referring to WP:GACR # 5. Sergecross73 msg me 15:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh. Yeah, I know; that's why I won't be able to just pass it myself for some time. Thanks. Tezero (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
IP - Thank you for the resources. It will be helpful if he continues to be difficult. Sergecross73 msg me 12:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • After skimming the above, I would be happy to consider a request for SPP (for the GA page) or for a rangeblock but I'll need a clearer explanation of what exactly is the problem with that user. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  13:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I haven't checked all the difs, but most of the original ones provided from Tezero were more along the lines of making comments that, while not terrible, were not very helpful either. Being melodramatic and saying that "this is so bad scholars are laughing at Wikipedia" type stuff. He's focusing a little too much on editors and hyperbole instead of the actual discussions. I gave him a warning for it, no response yet, the last time I checked. Sergecross73 msg me 13:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

It seems you listen a lot russians...are you not partial?Watch the talks now.Many people are against Russia and Brazil in the article. There are posted some academic sources against Russia.Have a look..i want to see if you are so quick in acting as if you acted in favour of russians.Spashibo tovarish. (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. I don't care about world powers or politics or any of that. I'm not siding with anyone on any of that. I'm warning you, as an Admin, to cut it out with the accusations and the melodrama, or you're going to get blocked from editing. Last warning - cut it out. Comment strictly on the issues, not editors. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer... (talk) 19:30, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Today the anti Russian ip is, yesterday he was and the day before he was All the same person making anti these Russian statements and edits, please stop this nonsense of making arguments on why Russia is not a superpower when it is.-- (talk) 23:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sergecross73 I am reporting the continued ip hoper is now Gladio4772[40], the hoper has hoped ips since July 17 till today. If you can please step in would be appreciated.

ip history here: July 19, 2014[41] July 19, 2014[42], July 17, 2014[43],[44] , July 7, 2014[45], March 17, 2014 -[46], April 2013 - Bocca Trabaria[47], March 2014 -], March 2014 -[48], Sept 23, 2013 -[49], Sept 15, 2013 -[50], March 18, 2014 -[51], March 18, 2014 -[52], March 17, 2014 -[53], March 16, 2014 -[54], March 16, 2014 -[55], March 15, 2014 -[56], March 15, 2014 -[57], March 15, 2014 -[58], Feb 4, 2014 -[59], Feb 4, 2014-[60], Dec 28, 2013 -[61], Dec 27, 2013 -[62], Dec 27, 2013 -[63], Dec 25, 2013 -[64], Dec 23, 2013 -[65], Dec 22, 2013 -[66], Sept 8, 2013 -[67], August 14, 2013 -[68], May 10, 2013 – Mediolanum[69], Oct 22, 2013 - Glc72[70], May 21, 2013 -[71], May 14, 2013 -[72], May 14, 2013 -[73], May 11, 2013 - Bocca_Trabaria[74] Thanks-- (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not happy with him either...but I blocked him for a week 2 weeks ago, and I haven't noticed him do anything blockable since. By all means, update me if Gladio says anything inappropriate though... Sergecross73 msg me 00:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Russia article-nominal gdp ranking[edit]

Russia in Russia article is ranked 8th with 2,092 trillions as nominal gdp.Russia is ONLY 9th as nominal gdp in fact Italy is 8th with 2,171 trillions $.All data for all countries are based on IMF 2014 April estimates.So Russia is 9th and not 8th.In Italy page Italy is correctly reported 8th with 2,171.I've already opened a post in the talk of Russia to make it correct.Please could you correct this huge mistake?Thanks. (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry your wrong, Russia is the 5th largest economy now and will be number 4 in 2016 and is the biggest in Europe[75].
Here's the facts
-- (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Please, just discuss on the respective article's talk page. Again, I neither know nor care about this political stuff. I'm only assisting with Wikipedia conduct and policy in this area. Sergecross73 msg me 23:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Out of Time official single cover[edit]

Hi. The image that was uploaded for "Out of Time" is a non-free image, and it's also not the official single cover. Here are the few links for the official single cover that's proven for its official use only, even for Google Play and xBox Music, also iHeart Radio and CD Universe, not iTunes:

Of course "Out of Time" is on iTunes, along with the other four tracks, but the single itself is only on High Rise through iTunes instead since the single takes you to the album on iTunes. There's just one problem: User:MatthewGoodfan101 believes the image that's non-free is the official single cover for the song. Well it's actually not, due to the links I've put in the talk page for "Out of Time", and his talk page as well. Skylar3214 1:04, 13 July 2014

Looking through the edit summaries, it doesn't look like he's arguing that it's the correct image, but rather, its better than nothing. I don't think he'd oppose you if you just uploaded the correct image and replaced it... Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
But I could tell he was. If I upload the right image and replace it, then he would revert it and put it back to the way it was. After all, it's not my article. Skylar3214 4:29, 13 July 2014
If you (or anyone) uploads your image, I'll help you enforce its use. If you don't, then I have to admit, what is already there probably is better than nothing, especially if it is used somewhere. Sergecross73 msg me 23:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I'll have to agree with you at this point. Skylar3214 4:53, 13 July 2014


Hi there Serge! PiEditor314 (talk · contribs) is a problem. After the junk at Hyrule Warriors, I checked his history. OMG, it's a train wreck warpath. I just posted a welcome/warning to his talk page and I will now have to tediously undo countless things.  :-( I just thought I'd let you know because I foresee administrative action. Thank you, thank you, thank you Wikipedia for allowing absolutely anyone to do absolutely anything to absolutely anything. I'll also alert @Arkhandar: of this.

Update: I have undone his damage to Hyrule Warriors, The Legend of Zelda (2015 video game), and The Legend of Zelda so far. He had spontaneously undone two days' worth of dozens of edits, resulting in giant additions and removals, giving a non-explanation, and nobody did anything! That's just one of countless obvious examples if you glance through his history. Hours of my time, down the tube.

Thanks for everything you do. I've been a fan.

Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 08:50, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Smuckola. Thank you very much for cleaning up his messes while I was busy and away. I appreciate it. I'm going to wait on warning him until we see how he reacts to your comments. On a related note, since the issue is recurring, can you leave a comment on Hyrule Warriors talk page about gamecruft and not having a character list. It is pretty basic interpretation of policy, but it'd be nice to have both policy and a consensus to point to on the talk page. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 18:40, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: Well, did you see how he helpfully corrected your last instructions to him already? — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 20:09, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. But you left your warning on his talk page after that correct? Sometimes newbies don't notice edit summaries, but acknowledge talk page messages. We'll see. Thanks for the note on the article talk page too. Sergecross73 msg me 02:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Well. He did deliberately click 'undo' right next to it. I hope you read his User page. <3 About the Hyrule Warriors junk, let me know if anything I wrote is not optimal and I'll change it! ^_^ — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 05:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Wellp. You got your answer, as predicted, a big fat shiny middle finger. Congratulations, fellow censor! We're in a special new club now! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 10:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Yup, guess I was too hopeful. Warned. (Kinda funny he choses the word "censorship when he's writing about Zelda fiction mostly. Why the heck would that be "censored"?) Sergecross73 msg me 13:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
EYES OF GANON ARE EVERYWHERE BE CAREFULSmuckola (Email) (Talk) 20:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


You might wanna check out User_talk:Aidan68945 for abuse. About five blatant vandalisms this month. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 04:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Blocked as a vandalism only account. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 13:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

User_talk:Superjake50 is basically vandalism-only, with lies and 3RR. Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 01:52, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Blocked. There's a long history of these "Jake" accounts where all they do is add fake release dates and talk about hoax Blues Clues and Winx Club games. Very bizarre. Please let me know if you find any others. Sergecross73 msg me 12:17, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Falongen — Hey bro I don't know if this is within your topical scope, but this is a new account with a list of WP:TENDENTIOUS edits, almost all immediately reverted, amongst a very narrow scope of highly political subjects. It is a major POV editor, and I'm not sure if those tons and tons of redirects are all valid or if it's just another method of POV. Many of them were instated by unilaterally blanking a lot of valid pages. Many edits are simplistic jibberish or nonsensical rearrangements, and others are detailed POV-pushings. I scanned each one, and very very few are valid, only those containing a few words. Possible sockpuppet? Normally I'd just manually submit video game related abuses to you, since I know your topical familiarity makes you able to quickly address them. This one, I wasn't sure how to file so I hope you don't mind. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 10:54, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, my specialties are video games and music, but you can always run other stuff by me. With this guy, it looks like the bad ones are being caught and undone, while the others, I'm not sure if they're really necessary, but they seem largely harmless overall. If you look at his talk page history, he is racking up some warnings, he just keeps on deleting them. Since it doesn't look too serious, and it's outside my normal area, I think I'll leave this one up to others this time. Sergecross73 msg me 16:37, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok but to who? Shall I file a report at ARV? Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 19:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I had just meant it in more of a "an admin will catch him someday if he does enough bad things" type way. Not entirely sure where to report it to. I'm not sure if it counts as "vandalism" or not. Vandalism, by definition, is a "bad-faith action". Some of his edit make me think that he could be a misguided good faith editor rather than a vandal, but I'm not sure. There's always ANI, but that place really can be like rolling the dice sometimes. Sometimes you get great help, other times you just get a bunch of sassy responses, its harsh. Personally, I guess I'd just keep an eye on him, and let me know if he gets worse... Sergecross73 msg me 03:15, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding your universally-held assessment of ANI, yes, you have the *real* reason why I stay in contact with stuff like this.
Falongen's account definitely isn't a vandalism-only one; it looks like most of his/her edits are good-faith redirects. (Ayyyyy, I'm back.) Tezero (talk) 04:00, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the insight, Tezero. FYI, I ended up blocking that IP who kept making disruptive comments. (Accusations of propaganda, pro/anti countries, etc) Then proceeded to block him from several other IPs. The block is probably up by now, but let me know if he starts up with unnecessary comments again. I didn't notify you last week because it looked like you were on your break for a while. Sergecross73 msg me 16:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: No offense, Tezero, but that's just a cursory contradiction, not insight.  :) Good-faith redirects are not done by unilaterally blanking pages with no reason or discussion, nor targeting them with stuff that changes the meaning. And it's continued quite a bit. I found out why some of his writing wasn't so insanely horrible -- because it's plagiarized. This is a blatantly WP:TENDENTIOUS WP:POV assault, plus breaking the law. Another user has joined in with the User_talk:Falongen warnings.— Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 11:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll admit that I only looked at about the first page of his edits. What you said is more serious. Tezero (talk) 15:21, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: He has quite the warpath, having blanked out his Talk page's accruing warnings several times (since restored by someone else). One unilateral redirection was so extreme that Cluebot fixed it! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Gave him a final warning. (Though, for the record, he is technically able to blank his own talk page. It's considered bad form on an informal level, but it is allowed. Sergecross73 msg me 22:37, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

This is a vandalism-only account too. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 11:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

User_talk: Vandalism only.

Blocked the last two. Sergecross73 msg me 23:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
User_talk: it's like a perpetual tradition of storm vandalism. Amazing.
True, but since I'm not allowed to block IPs for long amounts of time (because they can change/be redistributed to other people) and this one is relatively inactive (hasn't edited in 2 weeks), I don't think I'm going to block this one. Good to keep an eye on though. Sergecross73 msg me 23:43, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't it seem like this is a long long long term IP address assignment somehow? Exactly the same topical type of vandalism for ever and ever? lol I just saw an IP get blocked for six months. And there's no mandate for IP editing (especially when it's the primary enabler of their abuse); they can make an account.— Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah I know. You're not wrong, i just usually don't bother if their that inactive. If he makes one more bogus edit, he's blocked for a while. Sergecross73 msg me 00:12, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
User_talk: We have another winner! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


Hey, I wanted to know why was this page deleted. I asked this on the talk page of the soundtrack and I was told it was created by a user who was block evading while being blocked. So I wanted to ask whether it can be created again? Or should I create the page? Mike:Golu · [ Confidential message ] 09:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is why it was deleted, on addition to the fact that it was terribly written and sourced and didn't meet the WP:GNG. You can recreate it, but I wouldn't recommend it without a few good, dedicated sources giving it significant coverage, and working pretty hard on it, as it's already on multiple peoples radar as an article that doesn't warrant an article. It could be sent to AFD pretty quickly otherwise. Sergecross73 msg me 13:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank You, and I would try to find any reliable sources, and see if the article can stand. Thanks. Mike:Golu · [ Confidential message ] 05:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Opinion on sources[edit]

Hello Sergecross. Can you offer a second opinion whether Goldmine and are usable references for Megadeth? Please leave your response bellow the comments from L1A1 FAL. I would appreciate a quick reply. All the best.--Retrohead (talk) 09:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Serge, can you post a comment about the second one, or perhaps you're not sure about that one?--Retrohead (talk) 11:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Content Dispute on Russia[edit]

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Template advice[edit]

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Single-platform games[edit]

I reverted an edit on Mario Kart 8 that removed the parent category only to have it reverted back [76]. This isn't the first time this user has removed the parent category from articles [77]. Can you explain to him how it was decided years ago to have both categories in articles? SNS (talk) 04:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a reason that you're not talking with him directly on this? The only interaction I dug up was you reverting him without an edit summary... Sergecross73 msg me 14:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Tales series[edit]

In response to you thanking me for the edit on the Tales series article, that is just the start. I'm planning and gradually performing a major remodel and general fixing of the article to stop it languishing in "start" class. Any help you cna give in that department would be greatly appreciated, if you are actually interested in the Tales series. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, ProtoDrake, I actually was the one who had cleaned it up to how it is now - prior to my edits, it was an unsourced, unorganized mass of fan cruft, a few years ago. I will try to keep helping with it. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 10:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Black Heart (Stone Temple Pilots song)[edit]

Should I create an article for the Stone Temple Pilots song for "Black Heart" on this website? I'll have plenty of sources for it, if necessary. Skylar3214 12:37, 21 July 2014

  1. Why don't you post your sources here. I can advise on if the sources look reliable and cover the song in enough detail.
  2. Did the song chart anywhere? While it's not a guarantee that the article is kept, it usually seems to deter people from attempting to delete or redirect it. Sergecross73 msg me 19:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Those questions are the ones I am able to answer. I'm getting to work on it right now. Skylar3214 1:15, 21 July 2014

Here are a few resources for the articles that may or may not be reliable for the article to be made:

As for the chart position, see Stone Temple Pilots discography for the singles discography. It charted at 15 for U.S. Main Rock. Skylar3214 2:16, 21 July 2014

Oh wow. Yeah, if it charted, and they're playing it live on national television, and have a bunch of those sources, I think you're in pretty good shape. I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't been made yet. Sergecross73 msg me 21:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much, Serge. Skylar3214 2:56, 21 July 2014
I'm making it on my Special Page, which will take me time to finish up in a couple hours or so. Skylar3214 3:39, 21 July 2014
All finished with the article. See Black Heart (Stone Temple Pilots song) and see what you think of it. Let me know when you're done reviewing it. Skylar3214 4:27, 21 July 2014
I apologize, I looked it over yesterday, but forgot to respond. It's looking pretty good. Good job Skylar3214. Sergecross73 msg me 20:16, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Serge. I will never forget this. It's also one of my very first articles I've created. And there is no need for apologies. I understand what you mean. Skylar3214 1:25, 22 July 2014

Cash Cash[edit]

Serge, I'm here to help...Please be reasonable with me. This article was in very poor outdated shape before I took initiative to add relevant content. I've spent a lot of time researching them and took it upon myself to step up this page making it a detailed up to date cited and sourced article on Cash Cash. I'm not here to delete old content, I'm here to expand. My objectives were simple. #1 To throughly explain all the transitioning they've gone through over the years which is a lot given their history...It was very confusing and vague. I truly believe I succeeded in fixing that problem. #2 to add some relevance to the page as the last 3 years were obviously their biggest one yet. Their recent chapters were nowhere to be found on their page with regards to new touring, releases, members, styles, remixes, labels, etc....It lacked a lot so I spent months fixing that and I'm so proud of my contributions. My intentions are good and I hope you can see that.

~ Lauren

And that's great...But I really think you need to take a look at WP:OWN. You did some work on the article...but that doesn't give you any special authority over it. Especially since you seem pretty unfamiliar with policy and guidelines. Sergecross73 msg me 10:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)