User talk:Sergecross73

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I don't know how to respond so I'll post this here. You can delete if when you've read it. The lead singer is in a band called Codec (Facebook search: Codec Band) and their bio states they broke up in 2010 I think it was. I messaged them a while back and they said via MySpace message that they'd broken up.

This time, I come in peace :D[edit]

Holiday wishes![edit]

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Sergecross73, I wish you excellent holidays and a glorious 2013!

I hope you'll have great meals, memorable family reunions and joyful times with those you love. :)

  • Salvidrim!, signing off on my best year yet, thanks in no small part to y'all!

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q1 2013[edit]


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Yet another holiday message for you![edit]

About previous talk[edit]

Sorry, maybe I am too sensitive. My recent edition focused on Luo but it is because of the discussion. Actually,I am also surprised about that. In my previous plan,I just want to spend maybe 1 or 2 in that article. The discussion is beyond my plan. I am not admin so do not spend much time for edition in wiki. I may edit one or two article per a day or even spend a week for one article. This two weeks I spend all time for the discussion so my recent edition is all about this. Actually I do not feel there is something wrong with Wikipedia policy. I think the problem is the list of source in wiki video game project is more about video game and there is no source about e-sports here. Thus I think Viedo game project group may need to add more online source about e-sports as the reliable sources. Then I see you and another admin think about merging article Luo in another article but you don't discuss this anymore. I have stated my opinion and don't want to join the discussion how to merge or other kind of way to deal with anymore. Sorry to disturb and thanks for your explain.Miracle dream (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2014‎

I will be in contact with the band if there is new information. Stayheredusttodust (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2014

Jak sockpuppets[edit]

I'll just say it here, to everyone - @Indrian:, @TheTimesAreAChanging:, @Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever: - and anyone else. Let me know if you have any more suspected sockpuppets of Jakandsig - I've spent enough time dealing with him now that I'm comfortable with blocking anyone I believe to be him for block evasion per WP:DUCK. I may not take action on everyone that is suggested, but please don't hesitate to throw it out there to me. Sergecross73 msg me 17:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Well, that did not take long. This fellow just went active mere minutes after John Mayer lost his talk page access. He has already tried to claim the Dreamcast was not the first system with a built in modem something Jak and friends claimed on multiple occasions. Indrian (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
It looks like he's back! And ready to challenge those Atari 7800 sales figures yet again...TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I thought this one looked suspicious as well when he first appeared last night, and his new focus on the 7800 only serves to reinforce those suspicions. Probably not enough yet for an outright block, but he should at the very least be watched closely. Indrian (talk) 19:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Same article/sales concerns, just registered last night, long-winded edit summaries, trouble with wiki-formatting, it does seem similar... Sergecross73 msg me 19:27, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I reverted Golden Cog's edit on Atari 2600. The edit was unsourced and mediocre. IX|(C"<) 00:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Also reverted his Sega Game Gear edit, which changed the name of the "End of life" subsection to "Decline". IX|(C"<) 00:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I was mistaken. His Game Gear edit changed "Decline" to "End of life". IX|(C"<) 19:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
An edit to the Super Thunder Blade article by Carrots was reverted. IX|(C"<) 00:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I wish I would become an administrator, just because the unlikely Jak creates problematic sockpuppets. I think I could block Jak indefinitely if this sockpuppet situation continually worsens. I hope I can be a nice, content-improving admin. IX|(C"<) 00:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I'm starting to wonder if Jakandsig was even his first account.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I think it was. Before Jak, there were anons pushing the same views on the CD-I page and others, but not another named account. I think Jak was his move from anonymous posting to account posting. Indrian (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Jak first used IP back in October 12, 2013, adding unsourced information to Street Fighter II. The Stick Man reverted that edit. IX|(C"<) 00:58, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy North American video game crash of 1983 is semi-protected. IX|(C"<) 19:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to contact me if you need extra admin support for the socks; I am always Angry and Willing. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie:, thanks, I appreciate it. I suppose, now that we're on the subject, what's your opinion on what to do with this guy? On one hand, the guy hasn't broken any rules yet, but on the other hand, it really seems like he's another sock. (He became active almost exactly after John Mayor lost talk page access, he keeps advocating that the systems that competed against the Nintendo Entertainment System are under-represented/underappreciated, etc.) I don't want to waste time, but don't want to be overly aggressive either. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 01:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I was a little conflicted about that as well. Assuming that it is him, he's certainly changed his tone and approach (at least the interactions I scanned through), but on the other hand, block evasion is block evasion. I noticed when he accidentally got logged out his IP traced to a research network in Greece, which to me smells like proxying. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
He does change his approach every so often. User:leeroyhim, for instance, was very polite and generally non-confrontational. There are almost as many personalities as accounts, but they are unified by a single agenda on video game history pages that don't tend to receive a lot of attention generally and by their often awkward and grammatically poor edits. At this point I don't think there is enough info yet to make a determination, but if he keeps editing, the agenda always comes out eventually. Indrian (talk) 15:34, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, his "John Mayor" account was pretty calm in the beginning too. I imagine the same will happen with this account. Things won't go his way, he'll get irritated, make a scene, and then probably either be blocked due to another positive SPI report or quacking too loud. Sergecross73 msg me 15:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I've considering putting a site-ban on Jakandsig mainly because of his disruptive edits and sockpuppetry. I can guess that Greek proxy is causing all of this sockpuppetry he has, and maybe that kind of ban can be done to both Jak and the proxy. IX|(C"<) 00:26, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
By "Greek proxy", I mean the IP from the Greek research network Jak used. The IP is "2001:648:2FFC:1225:A800:FF:FE2E:B06C". IX|(C"<) 00:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, about 48 hours of silence, at least. Let me know if you see anything new that is suspicious... Sergecross73 msg me 02:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Golden Cog is back, and promising major overhauls to five separate articles. I urge everyone to watch him carefully.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I'll be on close watch. Sergecross73 msg me 03:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll be there too. IX|(C"<) 03:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Cog/Jak's obviously feeling a bit discouraged by the suspicion, since he hasn't begun to overhaul the articles he tagged. Could this new account be his reaction? Does he really think any new account editing the same pages is likely to evade our suspicion? Or I am just being paranoid? Stay tuned to Wikipedia for more of When Socks Attack!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I believe his Holiness is definitely a sock, as his opening statement on the crash page fits Jak and friends to a tee. No doubt his excommunication will follow in short order if he starts making changes. Indrian (talk) 00:58, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I assumed it was a sock. At least that page is protected. Honestly, after Cog inevitably gets blocked, I'll probably go around a protect a bunch of his "underdog console" type articles, so none of his future socks will have immediate access to them. Sergecross73 msg me 01:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
The IP Jak used to inflate Atari 7800 sales to 10.77 million was just active at Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Blocked. Losing patience for this guy. Sergecross73 msg me 02:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
The IP that previously admitted to being Golden Cog has struck again. His new attempt to inflate Atari XEGS sales proves the connection between Cog and Jak's other sockpuppets.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I may just file an SPI about this. Jak's block needs to be extended for his continued evasion.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Smoking gun for User:Golden_Cog_Afternoon_Karate_Exit. The IP listed above that Golden admitted was him just attempted to restore bogus information that Jak and friends have tried to add on multiple occasions. Indrian (talk) 20:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and the IP also vandalized a page. That seems adequate grounds to block the IP, and I think there is a good case to be made for just blocking Golden as well. Indrian (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Blocked for block evasion. Sergecross73 msg me 20:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
SPI filed on Golden Cog/AustralianPope.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Kill it with fire? Indrian (talk) 21:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Let's add it to the SPI we're still waiting on Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind. Blocked all 3. Sergecross73 msg me 00:37, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Another one worth keeping an eye on. Indrian (talk) 01:11, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again for your work on all this. It probably does not matter much now, but it seems this account somehow fell through the cracks. I think it was added to one of the SPIs late in the process and then accidentally overlooked. Indrian (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Another new account at Atari XEGS, and I don't know if I trust his story.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Even more obvious sock.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And another.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:20, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll keep at it. I'll probably start protecting more of these obscure console articles he keeps going after, so he can't even start. Otherwise, keep alerting me of socks, but I'll probably keep discussion on them to a minimum per WP:DENY. Sergecross73 msg me 18:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And another. Indrian (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And now this IP is trying to restore AustralianPope material and claiming that he will log in to his "account" and block me. Indrian (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Send him my way when that happens. >_> Oh well, at least he's doing a good job of reminding me of pages that need to be protected. Sergecross73 msg me 19:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
And here is a fun little temper tantrum. The edits have already been reverted, but some blocking and semi-protection may be in order. Indrian (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I am honestly sorry to have to keep spamming your page in such rapid succession, but here is another IP temper tantrum. Indrian (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
No, no problem at all. As long as you are willing to help with this, I'm happy to help. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I was angry that Jakandsig used this IP to unofficially block me, although he isn't an administrator. He's happily blocked. IX|(C"<) 20:31, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah he did that to the 4 of us, which the main purpose of "leaving a mark that can't be undone". Which, of course, can be undone by admin. Working through deleting outright. Sergecross73 msg me 20:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Today, we're having a ridiculous string of destructive short-lived sockpuppets by Jak. IX|(C"<) 20:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
IP seemed like a climax. Jakandsig started out as a minority, and then he grew worse over time with unravelings of his disruptive edits, sockpuppetry, lies, and incivility. Today we reached the top of the mountain: a hailstorm consisting of around 8 or more Jak sockpuppets with a sense of chaos were blocked within hours. He will be known as one of the worst cases of sockpuppetry. IX|(C"<) 21:06, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Now Jak is continuing his ridiculous campaign on his own talk page. Can his access be revoked, or does it need to be kept open in case he wants to appeal the indefinite block? I would think the personal attacks and delusional ranting would be enough to just shut it down. Indrian (talk) 21:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I want Jak to be permanently site-banned so that he wouldn't edit Wikipedia and create sockpuppets/accounts anyway. IX|(C"<) 21:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Sergecross73 for blocking Jakandsig indefinitely! Yay! =D IX|(C"<) 21:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I had yesterday, but just took away his talk page access. He'll tire himself out and stop once he gets caught every time. Or he'll have to conform so much to not be caught that he'd be a good editor. He seems incapable of the latter. Just keep reporting socks to me, and don't make a big deal out of it. He probably gets off on the delusion of notoriety. Sergecross73 msg me 21:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
He used IP to block me again. The link to the IP's contributions shows his first edit on February 11, 2011. IX|(C"<) 22:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Please indefinitely semi-protect both my userpage and user talk so that Jak can't edit those pages anymore. IX|(C"<) 22:14, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk page stalker here, It seems Jaks plan is to get as many Ips blocked as possible. I believe it may be to make it so other people can't edit or create accounts. Everytime I am about to edit, a page gets attacked. I think it's time to treat this as a more serious issue since he's actually damaging multiple pages in a short period of time. (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Gonna, if you protect your page only older users can communicate with you. Same goes for this page, which should never be protected since he is an administrative contact. (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I asked Sergecross73 to semi-protect my userpage and talk pages. IX|(C"<) 22:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I know that, I'm just warning you that only established users can contact you, or if you were to help a new user they would not be able to send you a reply to ask you for any further help. (talk) 22:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I get what you're saying right. IX|(C"<) 22:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Protected. Just message or email me when you want it taken away. As for my talk page, I have no intentions of protecting it. It's very quick and easy to rollback, and I've got a bunch of people watching my talk page too. On that note, since IPs don't have watchlists, I'm curious who this IP is. Jak? Or someone randomly signed out of their account? Sergecross73 msg me 22:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Don't let this sock slip through the cracks.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:28, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Huh, I first started arguing with him due to a request made at WP:VG, so I wasn't thinking of it like that. Seems plausible. Any other thoughts on him? Sergecross73 msg me 23:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Look at his generic user page. It's strikingly reminiscent of all of the other Jak socks. I'm sure Jak was hoping his massive tantrum would divert attention away from his serious account.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I just came across this user, KlausKoenig. Their talk page looks suspicious since was the user who created it. XXX8906 (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, but since the account hasn't been active since 2009 nor edited any video game-related articles, it probably isn't relevant.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's probably nothing, but I will be watching this IP just to stay safe.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. BustaBunny has been largely inactive so far too, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
After a brief respite, Busta Bunny appears to be active again. Let's hope our suspicions were ill-founded.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm. Now he's editing at the talk page for the Dreamcast too. That's strike two as far as editing at Jak's articles. Sergecross73 msg me 17:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
  • And he's back. It was such a nice little holiday. Indrian (talk) 15:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that too. Judging by his edits, he apparently is at least reading over WP:BASC. Good luck with with an SPI log like his. Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break[edit]

It's happening again....TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Lets keep an eye on these. I do agree that it does appear to be more of the defense of the poorer selling systems stuff going on here. Sergecross73 msg me 17:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
And again.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
And again.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now everything makes complete and total sense. That still is no ground to randomly start fights in my thread though serge. I probably should not have gotten mad tho so I have partial blame. Now I got to clean everything. SuperGangsterRapper95868686 (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't start a fight, I merely pointed out how similar your comments were to the last 15 sockpuppets on that same talk page. Then you went off the handle. Sergecross73 msg me 18:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I though you were. Mostly because of your first comment, I was not aware of anything so I figured you were derailing my thread. I suppose I owe you a small apology then. SuperGangsterRapper95868686 (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

  • I believe between the personal attacks, the similar behavior patters, and similar editing patterns there is enough here for you to act per WP:DUCK. Why don't we go ahead and put this one out of its misery? Indrian (talk) 19:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. He's editing the same articles, making the same arguments, and now discussing quite aggressively. All Jak traits. Not blocking the other names yet, but I am protecting the relevant Sega articles. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
(EC) SuperGangster's rant at North American video game crash has devolved into sheer raving incoherence and vitriolic personal attacks. It's striking that this supposedly new user already "needs a break from you people".TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, its pretty ridiculous how quickly he tends to break character. Definitely another sock. Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 20:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

So now BustaBunny is at the Intellivision article talk page. Another Jak landmark... Sergecross73 msg me 23:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this "Arb. break" until shortly after BustaBunny notified me of his edits to Q*bert and Talk:Q*bert which seemed okay. Mr*|(60nna) 23:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I've started an WP:AN/I thread about Jakandsig's sockpuppets here. Mr*|(60nna) 00:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Ugh, I'd rather not drag this through the pits of ANI. It'll just lead to more drama. I'm content with monitoring/protecting/blocking. Not sure ANI can offer us anything better.... Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
BustaBunny is now openly threatening to vandalize even non-gaming articles if he cannot get his way.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:33, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Mark Miller is aware of the disruptive edits of Jakandsig's sockpuppets (including BustaBunny). Were this sockpuppetry to continue with no easy end, then I can say Jakandsig is one of the worst sockpuppeteers ever. Mr*|(60nna) 02:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Blocked per WP:DUCK, closed per WP:DENY. He's awful, but lets try to DENY him the recognition. Sergecross73 msg me 02:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree. Mr*|(60nna) 02:43, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I consider this new account to be highly suspicious.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
And this one, too.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, both aren't as bad as most of the instant-block socks, but should probably keep an eye on them. (Coincidence that he's arguing against GameRankings a week after I was involved in defending it? Not sure...) Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I thought he was doing it because of the GameRankings links I just added to Sega Saturn. (It's not as though GR is a perfect source, but I'd like to see him propose a superior version of "Game library" rather than just complaining about the fact that it's hard to find sources about old Saturn games.)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Today, I reverted some of the edits by inactive/blocked Jak sockpuppets, include one on Mega Man X4. Mr*|(60nna) 23:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
And I discovered [this apparent Jak sockpuppet] with almost the exact same name as "Jakandsig", just add a "z" to the end. Mr*|(60nna) 23:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
In addition to switching to an IP at Sega Saturn's talk page, it seems likely that Jak has created this new account to defend the honor of the Atari Jaguar. It's a very "Jak" account name, although there haven't been any Jak/Afroman-style meltdowns just yet.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 05:28, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I think I'm content to just start ignoring his new names who pose complaints on talk pages, as long as the article is protected. Other people can look into his constant POV questioning (or he can just be ignored.) As far as Afroman goes, I'm ready to block him. The irate rant and random logging out is enough to convince me, unless anyone objects. Anyone? Sergecross73 msg me 13:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I recommend you block AfroMan, then block this IP. Mr*|(60nna) 22:03, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
I can't say I would object, because I have no doubts that he is a sockpuppet, but Afroman has demonstrated that he can be a constructive editor.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
CrimeInvestigation&Patrol reverted my edit of Quake (video game) because it had "influenced by" in it. I added back "Initially", replacing "At the start". I assume he is a Jak sockpuppet, considering his username. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I think his username meant "to look at and crack down edits deemed unfair." }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Now he reverted your most recent edit of Rune Factory 4, which I reverted twice. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:38, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi there! Wanted to clear up some things in case there was any confusion, especially for Mr.Change.
  1. Your edit in Quake damaged part of the paragraph and made it read like "influenced by who wields a giant hammer" which is a broken sentence.
  2. You and this users edit in Rune Factory 4 do not contain a source that proves the European version was cancelled, or the dates of that supposed cancellation. If you have a source, simply add it in and restore. I tried looking for one for both of you, but was not able to find a reliable source to edit in.
Let me know if you have any more questions. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 21:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for putting in a reliable source. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. Finally, he's actually improving. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 21:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
While I will admit that it is the responsibility of the ones challenged to provide a source, at the same time, @CrimeInvestigation&Patrol:, you really should try doing a simple google search rather than challenging it so aggressively. This was a widely reported thing, a few seconds at Google would have cleared this up for you pretty easily. Sergecross73 msg me 21:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
AfroMan, like CrimeInvestigation&Patrol, was better than Jakandsig, but he had problems as well. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
You're partially right, I only went with one quick search on Bing, and looking back, I probably did not put in the right wording and did not get accurate results. Just "European Rune Factory 4" alone would have given me the correct results. I will be sure to take more time when searching for a source in the future. But luckily, it's all taken care of now.
Mr.Change, thanks again for finding that reference. But be careful with your edits so they don't end up like the Quake Article. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── If we truly believe they are Jak, then policy says they should be blocked per WP:BLOCKEVASION. There is WP:OFFER, he's nowhere near any of the criteria right now. Sergecross73 msg me 22:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

No matter whatever they do, it's obvious that despite some good constructive edits, CrimeInvestigation&Patrol and AfroMan must be blocked because they're Jakandsig sockpuppets sharing Jak's traits like aggression. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 22:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I am disappointed that even when we attempt to engage Afroman, Jak still feels the need to use alternate accounts/IPs.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I must applaud Mr.Changes flawless logic of me being a sockpuppet because I corrected an edit of his that broke a page (happens all the time looking around many articles, even I did it once). Judging from the above comment no one checked up on that. Which may explain why my Gears of War edit was also reverted without anyone checking the actual link. Come on guys, let's put in a bit more effort in what we're doing instead of taking actions without actually doing fact checks. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Says the person who couldn't perform a simple Google search to find out Rune Factory 4 was cancelled in Europe? Taking your lecturing on "putting forth more effort" somewhere else, Mr. "Two-days-of-editing". Sergecross73 msg me 18:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Comparing me using Bing with the wrong words quickly, to you not looking at the sources that Wikipedia needs to be accurate for reliability is not a comparison one can actually make. What's even stranger is you act like new users can't use that big help button on the left side of the site and read all the rules and such before posting, so I am not sure why you came to the conclusion I was giving you a lecture like you were new/under me thus the 2 day comment.
I wanted to point out that It is important for people to look at the references they are reverting, because references are very important and need to be accurate or an article is pretty much trash. See WP:REF, WP:CITE, and WP:INCITE. You seem to be heated right now looking at your recent edits so I'll just wait for you to be less combative. Let us be more neutral.. CrimeInvestigation&Patrol (talk) 19:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Its also up to you to explain your edits. You still haven't explained why you're changing the source, you just keep vague referring to it being "better" and instructing others to research it themselves. Say it yourself if you want the change to stick. Sergecross73 msg me 19:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Sergecross73, can you please block indefinitely both CrimeInvestigation&Patrol and TheRealAfroMan so that those two Jak sockpuppets don't bother us anymore? }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 23:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I've been debating what to do here, on whether or not it's easier to babysit Jak with new names all the time, or with the same name. Still not sure. I'll tell you what though: if you file another Jak SPI, and it comes back "likely/confirmed", I'll block them in a second. Sergecross73 msg me 23:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Regardless of the nonsense in this conversation about me. I believe when a user straight up lies in an edit summary it's your job to do something. Saturn article is what I am referring to. Apparently I "added" source to troll everyone. I had no idea that I add things but removing it. interesting.

BTW I agree with the above action, which looking it up, may get Mr.Slowga off my back and resolve a few other problems. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 23:33, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break 2[edit]

I've started another SPI. Please give input, Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, TheTimesAreAChanging, Indrian, and/or anyone who's a talk page stalker who has any relevant input. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 01:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to show bad faith, but I think this recently created account should at least be added to the current SPI just in case. (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Here's another account that is much more suspicious, editing the Atari 5200 article that was last edited by John Mayor ERS. He also contributed to the N-gage article that contained edits by both Golden Cog and KombatPolice. I would suggest you add this user to the the SPI log as well. (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Probably good to keep an eye on, but its too early to add to the SPI report yet. Neither is spending much time on obscure video game articles or POV pushing really. Sergecross73 msg me 19:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, but I would keep a good eye on RedAnt though. (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You should take a look at this IP. He's rapidly reverting Gonna's edits on multiple articles. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

  • There's nothing to take a look at, I follow this talk page like you do. He knows he can't just revert users that are not confirmed socks because he wants to. The two accounts are not even on the SPI list. I pinged him on the SPI and told him to post any evidence he had found to Sergecross. (talk) 16:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you please semi-protect Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, because there's an edit war done by JakIIDax against me over the article. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I also want that article semi-protected indefinitely because it was edited by a Jak sockpuppet. }IMr*|..(60nna)I{ 18:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you block JakIIDax please because he is disrespectful toward me. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:57, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Jak is back, editing Sega consoles and returning to one of his earliest loves, Asteroids.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Blocked, along with everyone else at the latest SPI, as far as I can tell. Keep me posted when you find more. Sergecross73 msg me 00:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
This old suspected Jak sock, inactive for a month, suddenly reappeared less than an hour after Newjeanspotatoe was blocked.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Reverted Wonderworldamusementpark's edit on Dreamcast. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 02:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Here's the latest Jak attack.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
I apologize for not acting on this one. Sorry, I've been short on WP time lately. SPI could be a good venue, since the accounts don't appear to be at the aggressive/confrontational stage yet... Sergecross73 msg me 23:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Aaaannnd the socks I listed were all confirmed. Gee whiz, what a surprise!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it really looks like that "Go ahead and send me to SPI, it'll clear my name" approach Jak uses is pretty much another sign that its Jak. Using the same, weak bluff all the time, and it never works. Go figure. Sergecross73 msg me 14:05, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break 3[edit]

[1]Here's another possible sockpuppet. XXX8906 (talk) 11:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if it's a sock or just someone who really struggle with grammar and writing sentences, but I'll keep an eye on it either way. Sergecross73 msg me 14:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
The person is actually becoming a bit of a problem on both the Mario and Luigi articles... --ThomasO1989 (talk) 05:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Left him a warning. Keep me posted... Sergecross73 msg me 10:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Here's two possible IP sockpuppets: [2][3]. The geolocate information for both IPs show the same city, as well as similar latitude and longitude.
Nothing too bad yet, but keep me posted. If it persists I can protect the page again... Sergecross73 msg me 16:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that XXX8906 got a little overzealous on this one. The doteaters site was actually completely redone at some point and all the links changed, so our link to the crash article no longer worked properly. The anon was just fixing the link to point to the proper place. Indrian (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Gotcha, good to know. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:00, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I suspect this user of being another possible sockpuppet. XXX8906 (talk) 14:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


On that post that I made earlier, I had said: "here's an another biased opinion: __________________________________________". I said at least I didn't wish death upon them, and if I did, it was the emotions that I had displayed on that particular topic. I also said: I shouldn't say this, but I wish that I want them to be dead (in my opinion). So I had two sentences, and they were all about biased and I my thoughts and opinions on Nickelback being dead. Either way, it was wrong of me to do such things on Wikipedia, of all things... yeah, that's atrocious. There you go, my friend, I'm taking full responsibility of what I posted and said, and I'm not going to argue and say some bullshit just to get out of the trouble that I did; I'm not 14 again. Sorry about that. panicpack121 14:31, 19 April 2014.

Radio Edit on "Guilty All the Same"[edit]

The term "radio edit" isn't proper for one version on "Guilty All the Same". Somebody said it is, but it's not for me. I know it's supposed to be labeled as "Radio Edit", but it kept saying "radio edit" instead. The "R" and the "E" are to stay capitalized for the radio edit version of the song. I'm sorry if I am telling you this, but I hope you agree with me on this. Skylar3214 5:29, 5 July 2014

I'm not sure I understand the problem...and looking up your edit history isn't helping either. I'm not sure what you're talking about... Sergecross73 msg me 16:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Look up "Radio Edit" on Guilty All the Same from a user's talk page, and you'll see for yourself. Skylar3214 11:29, 6 July 2014

In the track listing on "Guilty All the Same" when (radio edit) appears, this user wants it to be capitalized as Radio Edit for some odd reason. They have bugged me about this for weeks and still have not given up seemingly, I have no idea why it is such a minor thing. STATic message me! 18:34, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
"A users talkpage" is all the guidance you can give me on where this is happening...? Sergecross73 msg me 18:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Is this being discussed anywhere else? Has anyone indicated why we'd want it to be capitalized for this instance? Sergecross73 msg me 18:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely not, Static. It isn't proper for "radio edit" to look like that, and no, I never give up on anything. "Radio Edit" is more proper for a version of a song. Skylar3214 5:24, 6 July 2014

Okay, but can you define "proper" here? According to what exactly? Sergecross73 msg me 00:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

It's just unnecessary for "radio edit" to appear for a version of this song. It should be labeled as "Radio Edit" instead. Skylar3214 6:18, 6 July 2014

But why. You still haven't explained why? Is there a policy or guideline you're applying to this? Is there a reason why this radio edited song is different from others? Sergecross73 msg me 01:26, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure which one, but I still agree that "Radio Edit" is more suitable than "radio edit". Skylar3214 6:40, 6 July 2014

You're going to need a point of reference like a guideline or a precedent if you're going to convince anyone... Sergecross73 msg me 02:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
To be fair, "Radio Edit" with capitals intact is standard to see on, say, iTunes and often on the CD track listing. I think the most relevant point, though, is that it's not part of the song's title. If they were playing that version in concert, for example, they wouldn't say "Alright, how many of you awesome fans have heard of a song called 'Guilty All the Same (Radio Edit)'?" I'd compare this to how most rap songs nowadays are featuring someone - Wikipedia wouldn't list a song title as "I'm Rich and I'm Bringing Auto-Tune Back, Bitch (feat. Lupe Fiasco, Common, Chief Keef, Cher Lloyd, Eminem, Tupac's Ghost, Travis Barker, Henry Mancini, Merzbow, the Rappin' Grandmas from That One Episode of Malcolm in the Middle, and Some Homeless Guy Who Wouldn't Leave Us Alone and Insisted He Was Born to MC)". Tezero (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I didn't realize they were listed with caps on ITunes, so that's good to know. (Can't recall personally ever purchasing a radio edit myself.) I'm not sure that what Skylar was referencing though, considering he failed to articulate that the last 3+ times I've asked... Sergecross73 msg me 19:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't get one Serge, so I need a question that I can easily answer instead of a difficult one. And I agree with Tezero, who's got a very good point about it. Skylar3214 2:34, 7 July 2014

(talk page stalker) I think what everyone here wants you to do is to explain exactly what makes "Radio Edit" better than "radio edit". You've been terribly vague about why you prefer the capitalized version, so it would be a lot more helpful if you gave everyone more insight into your reasoning.
Also, wouldn't agreeing with Tezero be the same thing as agreeing that "radio edit" should NOT be capitalized? The phrase doesn't seem to be part of the song title (unless you're trying to say it is), so by Tezero's definition it should stay in lowercase. 23:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I'm confused again. Which one was the "difficult question"? I only asked you one question - "Why"? Do you mean to tell me that defending your edit is that difficult of a question?? Sergecross73 msg me 23:31, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, fine. You win. Let it say in lowercase then! When I got the song since it came out in March 2014, I never put "radio edit" in lowercase. Skylar3214 5:53, 8 July 2014

Hyrule Warriors[edit]

He man, how you doin'. I saw you undoing again, but the article refers to: character MOVES, character WEIGHT classes, unlockable characters. etc. Not the basic information. People use wikimedia to see that data in an overview. I understand that wikia is more a website for detailed game info, but I disagree with not listing the basic players (like every game has). Or it should be expanded. Please reply. And have a great day :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinhio84 (talkcontribs) 14:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't see the difference between "unlockable characters" and "characters". Bare lists like that aren't used unless there's a paragraph of information to go after them, (like Tales of Graces) or of the characters used is crucial to understanding the premise of the entire game (like a crossover game like Super Smash Bros. 4.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Potential super powers[edit]

Yeah, that's fine. I don't care; I was just wondering. Hell, I stalked your talk page earlier today. Anyhow, here's an accusation of pro-Russian bias and Russian nationality, here's an unoffensive but obstinate and poorly formatted request, and here's an ironic condemnation of the article's perceived laughably poor quality, along with another suggestion that my familial link to Eastern Europe extends to the present day. You can decide what to do; I just want the article to gain a reasonable level of stability.

Oh, and I haven't merged any of the Sonic characters since Wisps. You can do that if you want. I guess I'm not picky as long as the section is reasonably complete for the average reader; I'm probably going to be rewriting everything there anyway if I decide to pull through with the characters topic, since it would need to be an FL. Not that I want anything to do with character articles in the near future, but you know... Tezero (talk) 01:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I gave the IP a warning. Let me know if he doesn't stop, or gets worse out of spite or something (I don't especially intend to keep following the discussion unless you need Admin like assistance, which is fine to request of me, just because I'm pretty disinterested in things like politics typically.) If he doesn't get better, I'll give him a last chance, and then a block. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 02:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I hate to be burdensome, but would you mind keeping an eye on the GAN altogether? You know, just seeing to it that the acrimony eventually flattens out and the citations get fixed to something above bare links. I've been spouting for a while that a Wikibreak is upon me, but it's about time to put my money where my mouth is, because my last GAN for the time being is finally done and some IRL events in the coming weeks make excessive Wikipedia editing a bad idea. Or maybe you can find someone who's as neutral as you or me and willing to stir the cauldron. Tezero (talk) 04:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sergecross73 I would like to report that Tezero is correct about ip user for being disruptive on the Potential Superpower GA discussion and disruptive editing on the Potential Superpowers article. I agree with Tezero that I too want the Potential Superpowers article to gain a reasonable level of stability adding Russia in as a superpower with the sources needed if editors can start to agree and allow in. However I will report the example problems with ip user of ip hoping as I kept the ip's editing history for questioning; who is speaking entirely against Russia in all ip’s I found below. All the same editor, all ip addresses are from Florence Italy. I would like to discredit this user out of this discussion since it is all the same wording slamming disruptive edits against Russia since 2013 that this is not effective when users like this are disruptive and are doing the opposite. Here is the list with links of the contributes starting July 8, 2014‎ -[4] , July 7, 2014[5], March 17, 2014 -[6], April 2013 - Bocca Trabaria[7], March 2014 -[8], March 2014 -[9], Sept 23, 2013 -[10], Sept 15, 2013 -[11], March 18, 2014 -[12], March 18, 2014 -[13], March 17, 2014 -[14], March 16, 2014 -[15], March 16, 2014 -[16], March 15, 2014 -[17], March 15, 2014 -[18], March 15, 2014 -[19], Feb 4, 2014 -[20], Feb 4, 2014-[21], Dec 28, 2013 -[22], Dec 27, 2013 -[23], Dec 27, 2013 -[24], Dec 25, 2013 -[25], Dec 23, 2013 -[26], Dec 22, 2013 -[27], Sept 8, 2013 -[28], August 14, 2013 -[29], May 10, 2013 – Mediolanum[30], Oct 22, 2013 - Glc72[31], May 21, 2013 -[32], May 14, 2013 -[33], May 14, 2013 -[34], May 11, 2013 - Bocca_Trabaria[35]
That is the list which this ip user is certainly not a good editor because of past disruption on this very subject. If you click on the URL links above, you'll notice the same writing style and same pushing on the same subject. I appreciate your help, thanks.-- (talk) 09:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Tezero - I'll try to keep an eye on it, and I've got a bunch of "talk page stalkers" that may also see this and help. (Though, since I never edit in the area of politics, the type of people who have watchlisted my talk page may not really either.) I feel like page protection could be warranted, but at the same time, could protecting it be a "concession of instability" that could hurt your GAN efforts. Let me know of you'd like me to do it or not. Sergecross73 msg me 12:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't go full-protection, although I can't stop you if you want to. Semi-protection I normally think is a bit overdone, but here I think it could be helpful because there's so much drama with which IP is who; they can just get accounts if they want to continue. And yeah, I'm well aware that it's unstable now, but eventually it should boil over. Thanks, by the way. But what do you mean by "hurting my GAN efforts"? Does an article turning unstable while I'm reviewing it make my reviews worth less or something...? Tezero (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry, I rarely do a full protect. (Only one time comes to mind ever actually.) I just meant semi. And while I could be wrong, because I'm only conceptually familiar with the GA process, rather than doing it first hand myself, but I was referring to WP:GACR # 5. Sergecross73 msg me 15:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh. Yeah, I know; that's why I won't be able to just pass it myself for some time. Thanks. Tezero (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
IP - Thank you for the resources. It will be helpful if he continues to be difficult. Sergecross73 msg me 12:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • After skimming the above, I would be happy to consider a request for SPP (for the GA page) or for a rangeblock but I'll need a clearer explanation of what exactly is the problem with that user. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  13:19, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I haven't checked all the difs, but most of the original ones provided from Tezero were more along the lines of making comments that, while not terrible, were not very helpful either. Being melodramatic and saying that "this is so bad scholars are laughing at Wikipedia" type stuff. He's focusing a little too much on editors and hyperbole instead of the actual discussions. I gave him a warning for it, no response yet, the last time I checked. Sergecross73 msg me 13:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

It seems you listen a lot russians...are you not partial?Watch the talks now.Many people are against Russia and Brazil in the article. There are posted some academic sources against Russia.Have a look..i want to see if you are so quick in acting as if you acted in favour of russians.Spashibo tovarish. (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. I don't care about world powers or politics or any of that. I'm not siding with anyone on any of that. I'm warning you, as an Admin, to cut it out with the accusations and the melodrama, or you're going to get blocked from editing. Last warning - cut it out. Comment strictly on the issues, not editors. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer... (talk) 19:30, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Today the anti Russian ip is, yesterday he was and the day before he was All the same person making anti these Russian statements and edits, please stop this nonsense of making arguments on why Russia is not a superpower when it is.-- (talk) 23:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sergecross73 I am reporting the continued ip hoper is now Gladio4772[36], the hoper has hoped ips since July 17 till today. If you can please step in would be appreciated.

ip history here: July 19, 2014[37] July 19, 2014[38], July 17, 2014[39],[40] , July 7, 2014[41], March 17, 2014 -[42], April 2013 - Bocca Trabaria[43], March 2014 -], March 2014 -[44], Sept 23, 2013 -[45], Sept 15, 2013 -[46], March 18, 2014 -[47], March 18, 2014 -[48], March 17, 2014 -[49], March 16, 2014 -[50], March 16, 2014 -[51], March 15, 2014 -[52], March 15, 2014 -[53], March 15, 2014 -[54], Feb 4, 2014 -[55], Feb 4, 2014-[56], Dec 28, 2013 -[57], Dec 27, 2013 -[58], Dec 27, 2013 -[59], Dec 25, 2013 -[60], Dec 23, 2013 -[61], Dec 22, 2013 -[62], Sept 8, 2013 -[63], August 14, 2013 -[64], May 10, 2013 – Mediolanum[65], Oct 22, 2013 - Glc72[66], May 21, 2013 -[67], May 14, 2013 -[68], May 14, 2013 -[69], May 11, 2013 - Bocca_Trabaria[70] Thanks-- (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not happy with him either...but I blocked him for a week 2 weeks ago, and I haven't noticed him do anything blockable since. By all means, update me if Gladio says anything inappropriate though... Sergecross73 msg me 00:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I had an idea this morning while I was driving back from a community college where I tutor: What if we placed a notice at the top of the article that said something like:

This page is merely a summary of published academics' opinions. It is not intended as an original, critical assessment of countries' likelihood of becoming superpowers.

The page isn't getting any more stable, and this is unorthodox, but it just might help to cool the flames. Tezero (talk) 16:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

(In case you didn't see this among ProtoDrake's edits: Sergecross73)

Tezero - No harm in trying it out. You could be bold and just add it, and if challenged, see if you can a consensus for such a thing. If it looksije it'll just be the source of endless fighting, you can just drop it. It could all depend on who happens across it. I once put up a simple, non-controversial notification on a super obscure game, only to have it break out into a huge argument. Sometimes you never know what will or won't set people off. Sergecross73 msg me 17:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks; I'll do it now. I wouldn't expect it to be the cause of more fighting; what I'm trying to say with it is "Hey, we know you have strong opinions. That's fine, and these academics are wrong sometimes, but our hands are kinda tied in not allowing open debate here." Good that you brought that possibility up, though. Tezero (talk) 17:12, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Russia article-nominal gdp ranking[edit]

Russia in Russia article is ranked 8th with 2,092 trillions as nominal gdp.Russia is ONLY 9th as nominal gdp in fact Italy is 8th with 2,171 trillions $.All data for all countries are based on IMF 2014 April estimates.So Russia is 9th and not 8th.In Italy page Italy is correctly reported 8th with 2,171.I've already opened a post in the talk of Russia to make it correct.Please could you correct this huge mistake?Thanks. (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry your wrong, Russia is the 5th largest economy now and will be number 4 in 2016 and is the biggest in Europe[71].
Here's the facts
-- (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Please, just discuss on the respective article's talk page. Again, I neither know nor care about this political stuff. I'm only assisting with Wikipedia conduct and policy in this area. Sergecross73 msg me 23:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Out of Time official single cover[edit]

Hi. The image that was uploaded for "Out of Time" is a non-free image, and it's also not the official single cover. Here are the few links for the official single cover that's proven for its official use only, even for Google Play and xBox Music, also iHeart Radio and CD Universe, not iTunes:

Of course "Out of Time" is on iTunes, along with the other four tracks, but the single itself is only on High Rise through iTunes instead since the single takes you to the album on iTunes. There's just one problem: User:MatthewGoodfan101 believes the image that's non-free is the official single cover for the song. Well it's actually not, due to the links I've put in the talk page for "Out of Time", and his talk page as well. Skylar3214 1:04, 13 July 2014

Looking through the edit summaries, it doesn't look like he's arguing that it's the correct image, but rather, its better than nothing. I don't think he'd oppose you if you just uploaded the correct image and replaced it... Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
But I could tell he was. If I upload the right image and replace it, then he would revert it and put it back to the way it was. After all, it's not my article. Skylar3214 4:29, 13 July 2014
If you (or anyone) uploads your image, I'll help you enforce its use. If you don't, then I have to admit, what is already there probably is better than nothing, especially if it is used somewhere. Sergecross73 msg me 23:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I'll have to agree with you at this point. Skylar3214 4:53, 13 July 2014


Hi there Serge! PiEditor314 (talk · contribs) is a problem. After the junk at Hyrule Warriors, I checked his history. OMG, it's a train wreck warpath. I just posted a welcome/warning to his talk page and I will now have to tediously undo countless things.  :-( I just thought I'd let you know because I foresee administrative action. Thank you, thank you, thank you Wikipedia for allowing absolutely anyone to do absolutely anything to absolutely anything. I'll also alert @Arkhandar: of this.

Update: I have undone his damage to Hyrule Warriors, The Legend of Zelda (2015 video game), and The Legend of Zelda so far. He had spontaneously undone two days' worth of dozens of edits, resulting in giant additions and removals, giving a non-explanation, and nobody did anything! That's just one of countless obvious examples if you glance through his history. Hours of my time, down the tube.

Thanks for everything you do. I've been a fan.

Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 08:50, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Smuckola. Thank you very much for cleaning up his messes while I was busy and away. I appreciate it. I'm going to wait on warning him until we see how he reacts to your comments. On a related note, since the issue is recurring, can you leave a comment on Hyrule Warriors talk page about gamecruft and not having a character list. It is pretty basic interpretation of policy, but it'd be nice to have both policy and a consensus to point to on the talk page. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 18:40, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
@Sergecross73: Well, did you see how he helpfully corrected your last instructions to him already? — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 20:09, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. But you left your warning on his talk page after that correct? Sometimes newbies don't notice edit summaries, but acknowledge talk page messages. We'll see. Thanks for the note on the article talk page too. Sergecross73 msg me 02:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Well. He did deliberately click 'undo' right next to it. I hope you read his User page. <3 About the Hyrule Warriors junk, let me know if anything I wrote is not optimal and I'll change it! ^_^ — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 05:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Wellp. You got your answer, as predicted, a big fat shiny middle finger. Congratulations, fellow censor! We're in a special new club now! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 10:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Yup, guess I was too hopeful. Warned. (Kinda funny he choses the word "censorship when he's writing about Zelda fiction mostly. Why the heck would that be "censored"?) Sergecross73 msg me 13:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
EYES OF GANON ARE EVERYWHERE BE CAREFULSmuckola (Email) (Talk) 20:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


Vandalism pt2[edit]

Put new ones under here. Sergecross73 msg me 02:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Terrible edits, definitely, but also common newbie problems too. I'm going to wait and block only if he keeps at it. He's been properly warned at this point at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Super Mario (series) is receiving a recurring edit war campaign from probably the same person. For years, somebody has wanted to label Mario as "fantasy, "high fantasy", and "magic". — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I've noticed this before too. Page protected. Might be good to start a talk page discussion. I agree with you, but I feel like there could be a good-faith argument in favor of high fantasy. Sergecross73 msg me 23:36, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry I'll look into things shortly. Sergecross73 msg me 22:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
It's all good, bro! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 12:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I agree, this one is being disruptive again, and has made bad edits since your final warning, so I blocked him for a week. Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Are there any other outstanding ones at the moment? I thought there was, but I can't find it. I thought that Falonen guy was causing trouble again...? Or maybe that's just something I happened to observe on my own? Or I'm confusing editors? Sorry, I've been in a few heated discussions lately and I'm trying to catch up on all the smaller requests... Sergecross73 msg me 16:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure you are often busy! Yes User_talk:Falongen has been offending on exactly what you warned them against, and deleted my most recent warning from their talk page (which I reverted back onto the talk page). — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 04:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 01:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
  • has quite a history of vandalism warnings, deliberately blowing them off and deleting the warnings. Then contributing to the junk about the alleged and unsourced PS3 Cell OS 4.65 here.
The information i put was sourced so im not sure why Smuckola decided it was vandalism. (talk) 09:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Not a valid source. This article requires only the topmost reliable sources WP:VG/RS, which is pretty much Sony, of which there were none as of a few minutes ago. "Before adding information to this article, READ THE FOLLOWING: A reference must be provided for any system software version not yet released. All references should be from a reliable or official Sony/PlayStation 3 source. The reference cannot be from any other source. Any software news or rumor that is not from a Sony or PlayStation 3 reliable source will remain on the discussion page until verified." — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 09:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Alright but you could have just posted this on my talk instead of going to an admin and trying to get me banned or whatever your goal was also some other ip just put all that information back so you might want to revert them and try to get them banned to right ? (talk) 10:18, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • has been removing sourced content and adding inappropriate "citation needed" and "unreliable source" tags to the Navajo language article. It seems he thinks I'm racist against the Navajo people for including text about the language having no single word for "cell phone"; as I see it, the language simply hasn't had much official recognition since cellphones and other modern technologies have come about. I'm not necessarily requesting a block, but I'd like you to intervene or, if I'm in the wrong, tell me why, because this is really getting disruptive. Tezero (talk) 20:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I've protected the page, and warned the IP to assume good faith on the "racist" accusations. Now that it's protected, the IP is discussion on the talk page a bit more, as is another user. I'm not expert at the Navajo language, so I'd rather wait until you give your stance/input there before I really intervene any further. It's a start, at least. Sergecross73 msg me 21:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Looks like he's stopped since your final warning. I do agree that most of the edits are so bad that they must be bad-faith edits. (Like attempting to add a picture of the Beebs as that actor's image, for example.) Let me know if he breaks your final warning and I'll block him. Sergecross73 msg me 15:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


  • User:BGC is problematic. This user has a history of writing editorializations, of constantly changing tons of factoids such as dates without any comment or citation, of edit warring, and of refusing and blanking from his talk page any discussion whatsoever. It's driven some people batty [72]. Just take a look at the contribution list and the constantly blanked Talk page history to see what I mean. I couldn't even begin to guess whether the dates were correct before or after his edits. Welcome to Wikipedia! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 00:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


Hey, I wanted to know why was this page deleted. I asked this on the talk page of the soundtrack and I was told it was created by a user who was block evading while being blocked. So I wanted to ask whether it can be created again? Or should I create the page? Mike:Golu · [ Confidential message ] 09:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is why it was deleted, on addition to the fact that it was terribly written and sourced and didn't meet the WP:GNG. You can recreate it, but I wouldn't recommend it without a few good, dedicated sources giving it significant coverage, and working pretty hard on it, as it's already on multiple peoples radar as an article that doesn't warrant an article. It could be sent to AFD pretty quickly otherwise. Sergecross73 msg me 13:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank You, and I would try to find any reliable sources, and see if the article can stand. Thanks. Mike:Golu · [ Confidential message ] 05:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Opinion on sources[edit]

Hello Sergecross. Can you offer a second opinion whether Goldmine and are usable references for Megadeth? Please leave your response bellow the comments from L1A1 FAL. I would appreciate a quick reply. All the best.--Retrohead (talk) 09:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Serge, can you post a comment about the second one, or perhaps you're not sure about that one?--Retrohead (talk) 11:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Content Dispute on Russia[edit]

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Template advice[edit]

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Single-platform games[edit]

I reverted an edit on Mario Kart 8 that removed the parent category only to have it reverted back [73]. This isn't the first time this user has removed the parent category from articles [74]. Can you explain to him how it was decided years ago to have both categories in articles? SNS (talk) 04:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a reason that you're not talking with him directly on this? The only interaction I dug up was you reverting him without an edit summary... Sergecross73 msg me 14:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Tales series[edit]

In response to you thanking me for the edit on the Tales series article, that is just the start. I'm planning and gradually performing a major remodel and general fixing of the article to stop it languishing in "start" class. Any help you cna give in that department would be greatly appreciated, if you are actually interested in the Tales series. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, ProtoDrake, I actually was the one who had cleaned it up to how it is now - prior to my edits, it was an unsourced, unorganized mass of fan cruft, a few years ago. I will try to keep helping with it. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 10:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Sergecross73, I've done a huge edit on it. It's taken days using my sandbox to create it, and there are probably still fillable gaps. But I am feeling exhausted and frankly tired of working on the article, and doing giant article revamps (I think I've done... three to five over the past half-year, and one of them involved getting an article from "Start" to "Featured" class during that period). Perhaps someone else could manage tidying up and the Reception section? --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
ProtoDrake I totally get it. It's the reason I hadn't gotten farther than I did when I took it on years ago myself - it's a massive undertaking, not to mention it's more difficult than handling a single game because there's so much different content to cover, and harder to find examples of other ones done well too. I also went through a phase of lessened interest on the series because no games were being released for my preferred systems. Perhaps Tales of Hearts impending release will change that, and I'll pick up where you left off. Thanks for doing what you could. I'll at least be there maintaining it. Sergecross73 msg me 16:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Sergecross73 Update: done a massive update on the reception section, done some editing on the lead and archived the 1Up references as that site is threatening to go down permanently soon. Am going to the WikiProject to see what rating it merits now: we can at least get it off Start. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

On a related note: I'm planning some work on Tales of Hearts, in light of it being released fairly soon. I've just gotten started in my sandbox, and if you could provide some references for me about the game's development and reception. I heard that at least Hearts R was reviewed by Dengeki (not sure about the DS version of Hearts), but I haven't found any direct references. If you could help me with that, I would be very grateful. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm excited about its release too. I've been watching it and making some small edits on it since it was announced for English localization. I don't know how much time I'll have short term to do major work on it, but I'll definitely help maintain it. Sergecross73 msg me 02:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Black Heart (Stone Temple Pilots song)[edit]

Should I create an article for the Stone Temple Pilots song for "Black Heart" on this website? I'll have plenty of sources for it, if necessary. Skylar3214 12:37, 21 July 2014

  1. Why don't you post your sources here. I can advise on if the sources look reliable and cover the song in enough detail.
  2. Did the song chart anywhere? While it's not a guarantee that the article is kept, it usually seems to deter people from attempting to delete or redirect it. Sergecross73 msg me 19:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Those questions are the ones I am able to answer. I'm getting to work on it right now. Skylar3214 1:15, 21 July 2014

Here are a few resources for the articles that may or may not be reliable for the article to be made:

As for the chart position, see Stone Temple Pilots discography for the singles discography. It charted at 15 for U.S. Main Rock. Skylar3214 2:16, 21 July 2014

Oh wow. Yeah, if it charted, and they're playing it live on national television, and have a bunch of those sources, I think you're in pretty good shape. I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't been made yet. Sergecross73 msg me 21:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much, Serge. Skylar3214 2:56, 21 July 2014
I'm making it on my Special Page, which will take me time to finish up in a couple hours or so. Skylar3214 3:39, 21 July 2014
All finished with the article. See Black Heart (Stone Temple Pilots song) and see what you think of it. Let me know when you're done reviewing it. Skylar3214 4:27, 21 July 2014
I apologize, I looked it over yesterday, but forgot to respond. It's looking pretty good. Good job Skylar3214. Sergecross73 msg me 20:16, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Serge. I will never forget this. It's also one of my very first articles I've created. And there is no need for apologies. I understand what you mean. Skylar3214 1:25, 22 July 2014

Cash Cash[edit]

Serge, I'm here to help...Please be reasonable with me. This article was in very poor outdated shape before I took initiative to add relevant content. I've spent a lot of time researching them and took it upon myself to step up this page making it a detailed up to date cited and sourced article on Cash Cash. I'm not here to delete old content, I'm here to expand. My objectives were simple. #1 To throughly explain all the transitioning they've gone through over the years which is a lot given their history...It was very confusing and vague. I truly believe I succeeded in fixing that problem. #2 to add some relevance to the page as the last 3 years were obviously their biggest one yet. Their recent chapters were nowhere to be found on their page with regards to new touring, releases, members, styles, remixes, labels, etc....It lacked a lot so I spent months fixing that and I'm so proud of my contributions. My intentions are good and I hope you can see that.

~ Lauren

And that's great...But I really think you need to take a look at WP:OWN. You did some work on the article...but that doesn't give you any special authority over it. Especially since you seem pretty unfamiliar with policy and guidelines. Sergecross73 msg me 10:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Been tracking a IP vandal[edit]

Since I noticed you had blocked one of the IPs, and I have suspicions it might be Lar409 not logging in anymore... please be aware of the case page. :) ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  13:37, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh wow, I didn't realize I got into such a big deal. I thought I was just deleting obvious hoax articles. On one hand, as disruptive as Lar was, he mostly just made bad judgment calls on organization, and couldn't work with others, rather than outright hoaxes, right? Or am I forgetting some of his work? Or maybe he's gotten worse over time. Regardless, thanks for the heads up Salvidrim. I'll help however you'd like. Sergecross73 msg me 03:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Maybe my mind is connecting too many dots; a red flag goez up when you look at the history Template:Wario series with the tool thingy that striketroughs usernames of blocked users (which I assume you have). ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  04:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven Sent Gaming (2nd nomination)[edit]

Thanks for nuking Heaven Sent Gaming. Since you've done that, could you also close the associated AfD? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I was hoping someone could close it on my behalf. I've only got mobile access until much later in the day... Sergecross73 msg me 15:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind. Someone else closed it, and I just revised their closing comment a bit. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 16:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Don't forget the talk page. ;) -- ferret (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Oops, I thought I had. Fixed. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 19:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Stone Temple Pilots Out Of Time.jpg[edit]

I recommend deleting this image, including File:Stone Temple Pilots Out Of Time.jpg. The very first image I uploaded for the Out of Time (Stone Temple Pilots song) article is being currently used with permission. The file that Theo's Little Bot uploaded for the article in the past is absolutely not the right image because it only has an STP logo on it, and it is not used on iTunes anymore since the single posting for "Out of Time" is already deleted from the website, and just takes you straight to High Rise that's currently available on iTunes for purchase. Thank you, Serge. Skylar3214 2:39, 24 July 2014

Hi Skylar. I believe you can nominate images for deletion just like you would an article. I'd recommend that, partially because image policy is an area I'm less of an expert in, and partially because, while deletion may be the right choice, I don't know if it's bad enough for me to speedy delete like that. See if you can figure out nominating it for deletion. I can try to look it up if you're completely stuck. Sergecross73 msg me 03:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Can you please try to look it up for me? I'm completely stuck with that part. Skylar3214 1:59, 25 July 2014
Yes, I will soon Sergecross73 msg me 23:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I wonder, would this be a reason to delete it. Do any of my (talk page stalker) know? Salvidrim? ThomasO1989? Sergecross73 msg me 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I would agree. The image is not currently used in the article it was intended to be for (or any articles for that matter), which makes it a fair candidate for deletion on that grounds alone. Whether or not the image itself is useful if it had been included in the article... there already exists a fair-use image that appears to more closely related to the subject, so this image would be redundant. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 02:48, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I never actually got that ping, Serge; I just put the old one up for deletion. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  02:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both! Sergecross73 msg me 02:32, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It should have been deleted after yesterday (August 4, 2014), and it's still there? Skylar3214 3:28, 5 August 2014

I think it's gone now, skylar3214. It takes seven days to be tagged to be ready for deletion, but then it takes a little more time for an actual human to work through them too, that's all. Sergecross73 msg me 00:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Serge. I mostly appreciate it for the file to be deleted. If anyone else uploads it again, then it will be redone. Skylar3214 5:53, 5 August 2014
No problem. If it's re-uploaded, and not used anywhere, then I think I can speedy delete it. (That's how it works when articles are recreated with no change after a deletion, at least.) Sergecross73 msg me 22:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


Hey, have a look at this edit history...does it look at all curious to you?


Chubbles (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

That certainly is bizarre, that they're conspiring together at a sandbox. I can't help but find it suspicious - 2 relatively new editors with the exact same type of stances, basically showing that band in their favored POV rather than what RS's say. I know I'm supposed to assume good faith, but I really get the vibe that those 2 are like people from their label, or fanclub, or fansite, or something like that... Sergecross73 msg me 03:50, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Naturally, that was my thought at first, but they said they weren't, so I guess I have to take their word for it. Chubbles (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, what do I do? Where do I go? The editwarring continues; they are tag-team reverting me and stonewalling with the same stale, bad reasoning. I am, by my approach, teaching them how to talk to me so that I end up on the ropes. I tried DR, that didn't work; I can't file a 3RR report because they aren't reverting fast enough - and for that matter, I am eventually reverting them, too, though of course I believe I've done so after leaving much time for discussion and referencing (so much for watching that reasoning fly in front of a tribunal, though...). So...what do you suggest? I'm so tired of this. Chubbles (talk) 19:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I've protected it so people are forced to come to consensus first. Sergecross73 msg me 00:32, 2 August 2014 (UTC)


Might want to make it a month to match his IP. --NeilN talk to me 17:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I launched a report at SPI noting how Technotopia returned after a months-long absence mere hours after the IP got blocked and their first act was to undo the revert of the IP's biased RfC. Quacking ensued, and wouldn't block evasion add to it on both? --McDoobAU93 18:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, and his last block for edit warring was a 2 weeks long one too, and they usually escalate, so it all around should probably be longer... Sergecross73 msg me 18:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
  • If most of his edits are about this one issue, and he isn't likely going to ever leave it alone, why not make it permanent? Look at his total contributions. [76] Most of them are what he got blocked for, four times already. [77] No reason to think he is ever going to do any constructive editing on Wikipedia. Dream Focus 00:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
This is my plan if he comes back and starts up again after his block, as he said he plans to do. He's on the thinnest of ice, don't worry. Just let me know as soon as you catch him anywhere. Sergecross73 msg me 00:31, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

GearBox Software[edit]

I just visited GearBox Software to edit in their most recent lawsuit however it appears all my past contributions to the page have been edited out. Interestingly the page is being heavily edited by IPs rather than registered users. It also appears most of the criticism if not all of it has been cleansed. I trust you are the man who will address this issue?--Cube b3 (talk) 07:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

In theory, yes, this the type of thing I could help with. However, no one has edited the article in almost 2 weeks, and there are no on-going arguments on the talk page or anything. I don't think you'd run into much opposition honestly. I'd recommend you taking a stab at it, and then come to me if you feel you are coming into opposition you feel is being wrongly handled. Sergecross73 msg me 10:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
So you are suggesting that I discuss this issue in the talk page first? Because I don't have the energy to go back through the articles history and copy paste all my edits into the new one.--Cube b3 (talk) 19:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
No, it's not a very active page. I'd re-apply your changes, and discuss on the talk page if they're removed again. I'll step on if you feel people aren't making policy-based decisions. It looks so inactive I don't think I especially need to get involved as an admin, and I'm not especially knowledgeable about their lawsuits or history, so it'd probably be better if someone more knowledgable, like yourself, made the changes. Sergecross73 msg me 19:52, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I spent about a whole hour editing the Gearbox article. I have added all the controversial stuff back complete with corresponding references matched by WP:VG/RS.
I realize this sort of censorship happens over long intervals, but I don't plan on watching GBS like a hawk. I really don't care for it at all but I don't like the idea of companies hiding notable criticisms. I am positive that many of the edits by unregistered users are employees or executives from the studio.

As you can see many of these ips have only edited Gearbox articles. I have requested in the talk page for unregistered users to stop deleting stuff from the article. If this continues I would request we block unregistered users from editing. best regards--Cube b3 (talk) 07:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 104#Excessive in-game detail in Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA related articles[edit]

It's starting again, see the article edit history for Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA 2nd. If you could help out here, it would be great. Affected articles include Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA Extend, Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA 2nd, Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA (video game), and other Hatsune Miku articles; the IPs involved seem to rotate each time. --benlisquareTCE 09:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I remember those discussions. Protected all three. Let me know if it comes up elsewhere. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 11:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


Hello Sir. Am just too young to issue a warnning to an highly experienced, distinguish administrator like you sir. Your recent edit at WP:Articles for deletion/Sonic Highways (album) had a minor error sir which I had corrected. You can check the edit history for verification sir. But I understand that mistake is inevitable in life. Cheers Wikicology (talk) 22:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I thank you for correcting it, though I'm not sure why you'd feel it necessary to warn me over it a simple typo that was obviously accidental and led to zero miscommunications.... Sergecross73 msg me 22:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


The song Powerless is a promotional single according to the article. But on iTunes-Japan the song is said to be released as a Single, and iTunes is supposed to be a reliable source. Please reply a answer if I am wrong please correct me. Thank you. Mike:Golu · [ Confidential message ] 05:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The problem with citing iTunes isn't that it's not reliable (what else would be more reliable concerning an iTunes release?); it's that listings for singles are frequently deleted and redirected to the main album as soon as (or even before) it is released. I've never tried hitting up for iTunes, but that's about your only shot at a stable iTunes reference. Tezero (talk) 06:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Does iTunes ever distinguish between single and promotional single though? Sergecross73 msg me 13:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree. I don't mind about Powerless being a promotional single, and it's going to stay as a promotional single. The website Golu gave you (Serge) is in Japanese, and it can be translated so easily. The title isn't right when translated, so it's staying as a promotional single. Skylar3214 11:46, 15 August 2014
If you all say its a promotional single, It's ok. I'm wrong then. The reason why I made you all bother about this is promotional single is a song which is distributed for free as a stream or at radio station, but here Powerless is being costed for about 250 Yens. So I was confused about it. Mike:Golu · [ Confidential message ] 05:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Help needed[edit]

I've put the Tales series article up for GA review. I need help looking through to do copyediting and such. Can you help please? The whole thing feels extremely daunting to me alone. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for not helping you in your recent efforts. I will try to help with this, but I'm on vacation until Sunsay so I am relegated to what I can do on a mobile phone in the meantime. I'll try to help though. Sergecross73 msg me 01:51, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Interview request[edit]

Hello Sergecross73, The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter is looking for editors to feature for its first and second quarter of 2015. This sounds like it's a long way off, but time catches up to us pretty quickly. The WP:VG Newsletter has spoken with most of the admins that regularly contribute at WP:VG, but you remain elusive and unaccounted for. :) The Newsletter would love to rectify this through an interview with our last brave mop-wielder in the trenches. What say you? If you have time for an interview please let me know at my talk page and then either I or GamerPro64 will contact you with a set of interview questions. You can get a sense of the kinds of questions you will be asked by reviewing the featured editor interviews at the Newlsetter's index, and of course you'll be notified when the interview runs in the Newsletter. -Thibbs (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thibbs, Yeah, sounds good. I was always jealous Salvidrim was asked way before me! ;) Let me know what you want me to do and I'll do it. Sergecross73 msg me 18:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Aww, come on. I posted a short while after my own interview recommending you and a few others as likely subjects. ;) ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  18:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
That's even worse! I was even on the radar, and still was passed over until now! ;) No, it's fine. I'm pretty active in the community, but I don't do much in the way of working closely with others on rewrites (because my focuses are always random and whatever is interesting in that given passing moment) or GA/FA reviews (because I don't really deal with much of that) so I don't tend to make very many long-term buddies on the project. And thus, I'm last in line. :) Sergecross73 msg me 22:03, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Last perhaps, but certainly not for lack of merit. Indeed some of the algorithms used to generate likely candidates for interviews weigh involvement in special subtopics of WP:VG heavily so the kind of broad-focus involvement that comes with random interests (my favorite style of involvement too) flies under the radar... But no longer! Your actions have caught the attention of the WP:VG press and the interview is hereby scheduled. It will run in the 1st quarter 2015 issue and WP:VG Newsletter staff will contact you shortly with the questions. Hold onto your mop and prepare to be grilled! :) -Thibbs (talk) 00:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Haha, thanks Thibbs! Sergecross73 msg me 12:49, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


Hey there. Would you mind helping out? This user is going to every single article with the wikilink Luigi and unnecessarily changing it to Luigi (character), which actually goes to Luigi (disambiguation), which is completely counter-intuitive to his goal. While I am assuming good faith, he is also providing a broken link in many articles, so I would consider this disruptive behavior. Would you mind intervening? I would go revert everything myself, but I was wondering if you have access to a tool that reverts most changes by a single user that would make this quicker. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:45, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

It looks like he's already changing it back? Check out the Mario talk page though, it explains what he was trying to do. You may want to give some input there. Sergecross73 msg me 10:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
As a BTW, I've reverted the edits he didn't self-revert yet, and supplied an explanation on his talkpage as well. Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 12:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for that. I found a few as well, and left some comments for him at the Mario talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 12:46, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

@The Stick Man:User_talk:Prisencolinensinainciusol The guy that has just been group-reprimanded on Mario, is an absolute warpath of crap-slinging behavior across the site. Even just from the last month or two, his talk page is an endless litany of exactly the same and totally obvious complaints. He constantly admits to committing the same constant major and minor errors with staggering levels of willful obliviousness and unilaterally disruptiveness, and then asks how to stop being notified of them. Including the very same junk you just saw him nailed for. I am flabbergasted. Heck, he unilaterally deleted a deletion notice, in blatant defiance of a discussion! Just look at what poor User:The Stick Man has put up with, in an elaborately futile attempt at personal rehabilitation.  :( Just imagine what it'd take, to check all his edits for fallout damage. This seems like a candidate for at least a short term block just as an escalated wake-up call, because he's been given countless ones already. I think this is the height of WP:TENDENTIOUS, under the category of widespread disruptive editing and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. This is so bad that I'm even considering AIV; yes I know the ramifications of what I just said, lol ;-) but he absolutely must be stopped. :-< Big sad face here, Serge. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I haven't paid much attention to Prisen lately and was under the impression that, besides the countless number of bot messages that he at least tried to address, he was at least improving in less trivial areas (relatively speaking, of course). If it's true that he's still being disruptive after all this time, then I'd agree that a short-term ban would be necessary, and would support a much longer one if he continued his behavior. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 23:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
@The Stick Man: You were unbelievably charitable and tolerant and logical for a very long time, that's for sure! I didn't even look into his editing history to see if his warpath (bot-reported or human-reported or unreported) had been addressed. He darn well had better do it. My goodness I've never seen so many error messages, and I've never seen anyone regard the error messages as being the problem. Are you saying that he fixed them?  :( — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 12:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
If a bot leaves a message for him then I've found that he does go back and fix it later, usually. My issues with him (early on, at least) were more along the lines of "Don't use sources to cite things when the sources don't support what you said", "Stop writing in bad English", etc. He hasn't been editing the articles I have on my watchlist recently (some current-ish stuff I have seen from him have been harmless/actually kind of helpful), and I don't watch his talk page, so I don't know what he's up to these days. If his behavior is still troublesome, I'd back a ban.
I should also mention that he has received a 6-month ban on a different wiki for disruptive behavior after having already received two two-week bans. I'd link it here but that site requires users to use their real names, and I don't think would be right for me to reveal his. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 13:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Alright, I'm looking into his edits. I'll keep adding thoughts.
  • Regarding the Luigi/Mario stuff, it looks like its mostly been cleaned up at least, and he's not gaining any sort of consensus at the Mario or Luigi move discussion, so I think that one is resolved unless he starts going against consensus there. Sergecross73 msg me 16:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Smuckola, which deletion notice did he remove? Was it this one? Because you're actually allowed to remove WP:PROD's, that's how people contest them. It's not great that he didn't leave any rationale anywhere, especially if he's the article creator, but its technically allowable. (Though actions like that will probably backfire on him if it gets taken to WP:AFD.) Anyways, if you were talking about a different edit, then nevermind all that, and let me know which one you were talking about. Sergecross73 msg me 16:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
@Sergecross73:Yes that's the one, so never mind. ^_^ Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 00:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Overall, it looks like he's making some mistakes (changing wiki-links before the article is actually moved, missing a lot of brackets, etc) but I don't believe its anything blockable really. He could be warned to be a little more careful, but I don't think its at WP:COMPETENCE levels of concern, and it seems that he's trying to fix his mistakes and adhere to consensus once they do pop up. I'd say keep an eye on him, because if he becomes obstinate or combative, I think it'd be a different story. But right now, just keep an eye out, and let me know. Sergecross73 msg me 16:43, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Serge. How are you doing? I have a bit of a concern here. I feel that it was partially my fault for causing the situation with Lucia Black in the first place. I know I was trying to help her but in the end, she felt that the recent AN discussion was basically a site ban, as she only edited articles related to Japanese entertainment. What are your thoughts on the matter? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi SJones. Long time since I've talked with you. Anyways, I would NOT blame you in any capacity. Lucia did this to herself over and over again. It was her long history of not getting along with others, having a battlefield mentality, and a general lack of self-awareness or willingness to change that caused this, not anything you did. Please don't feel bad, Sjones23 -- Sergecross73 msg me 01:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I know, Serge, but I have worked with her on various articles and had mostly no problems since we were here for over 7 years. I admit that I along with some other users was only trying to help her and work with her on various articles like Sailor Moon for example, but her interactions with others did not work out. I think that given her actions, she should consider taking a retirement or doing some article work in other subject areas rather than Japanese entertainment topics. I just don't want to encourage her violation of the topic ban. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
She doesn't seem interested in either one. Again, you're less at fault than, like, anyone else here. Tezero (talk) 02:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Tezero. I consider this whole incident was a bit of a witch-hunt in the first place and given her contributions, she should retire with honor rather than leave in disgrace, or appeal her topic ban in the future. I know the full picture of what happened as I saw the events unfold. Other than that, I'll probably continue my work on Japanese entertainment related articles. Cheers, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:04, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Her talk page seems to indicate she blames me and Hastuer, (I didn't start it or participate in the last weeks worth of discussions, but I suppose I did support things) so don't lose any sleep over. Sergecross73 msg me 02:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
(sigh) I see, but this whole incident was actually started by ChrisGualtieri and Lucia Black on the Ghost of the Shell articles and I had nothing to do with all of these incidents, since I'm a bit opposed to the topic ban myself. Don't worry, I'm not losing any sleep over it. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
You're totally not the only one, but what's done is done and only she can prove herself a responsible citizen now. Tezero (talk) 02:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, as there's a closure review going on now. I don't want to cause issues with Lucia Black and not everyone has agreed with the topic ban, that's all. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Cash Cash - Private Concerns[edit]

Hey Sergecross73 - I would like the chance to talk to you privately about our wikipedia page. I voiced my opinion on the talk page a few times in the past because this is my career and passion being spoken about. I have some things you should hear directly from me, the founder of the band. I’m not asking you to make any edits or changes on my behalf. I just want you to hear me out in private to better understand the situation. It’s easy to make this happen officially so you know you're actually talking to me. If you follow the verified cash cash twitter and tweet at us, I will follow you back and dm you my personal contact info. I just want to express my concerns directly and privately with you. That is all I ask. I would appreciate that a lot. Hope to talk with you soon. Thanks for your time. *Jean Paul* — Preceding unsigned comment added by JPcashcash (talkcontribs) 12:55, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand what would be needed to be discussed in private. If it is about a legitimate direction for the band's article, then it should be discussed in the open.
  • That being said, I understand the stance of the band and your "helpers" on the talk page. I'm well versed in the music world, I get it. There's lots of times where band's aren't exactly thrilled about their original sound, or try to distance themselves from a genre that has fallen out of mainstream popularity. I'm sure Alice in Chains isn't especially thrilled with their beginnings where they were lumped into the glam metal movement. Linkin Park has gone out of their way to distance themselves from their original nu metal sound. Same as Sugar Ray as they went from alternative metal to pop rock. There's no problem with that, whether it be changing of musical interest, trying to make it big, money, whatever. And its fine to change your image, your Facebook page, your Twitter, whatever marketing and communicating tool of your choice. But it's not alright to do that on Wikipedia. You must understand - Wikipedia is not a tool for advertising. You have a Conflict of Interest when it comes to your own Wikipedia article. It is not for you to be documenting. The entire basis of the website is to document what is said about a subject through reliable, third party sources. First party accounts can be a source for small, non-contentious details, like whether or not you played a certain concert or something, but they're not to be used in the interpreting the general history or career of a topic. That's the role of third party sources.
  • That brings us to the recurring issues with the article. Two very prominent, reliable third party sources, have referred to the band's sound as emo pop. I understand you guys are moving more into an EDM direction. And that's fine. And you can distance yourself from that as much as you please, in your concerts, Youtube account, social media, whatever. But on Wikipedia, that's not valid grounds for removing what two prominent reliable sources have said in the past. Other editors may add more information on the band's sound section, citing other reliable sources who use other descriptors for the band, to make "emo-pop" seem like less of a prominent viewpoint. (I've even suggested this, though no one took me up on it. WP:ALBUM/REVSIT is a place where a bunch of acceptable sources are listed.) But you can't just remove it because you don't like it, or its not helping your new direction, or anything else related to your vision of the band.
  • While I've assumed this is in regards to the emo pop arguments, this response could generally be applied to any of the on-going arguments at the talk page.
  • Anyways, let me know if you have other questions or concerns, though I'd prefer to keep our discussions on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 16:27, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Surely there's a way to compromise. Is it still a thing to write it out like "Emo pop (early years), EDM"? Tezero (talk) 16:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Tezero, If you check the article, you'll see that emo pop is not mentioned at all in the lead or the infobox. It's just a sentence or two in the "Musical style" section of prose towards the bottom of the article, where its clearly talking about their earlier work. Sourced by both Allmusic (in the prose) and Popmatters, both deemed useable at WP:ALBUM/REVSIT. (That's pretty much the music equivalent of GameSpot and IGN saying it in the video game world.) The compromise you're suggesting is already pretty much in effect, if anything, more in their favor. Sergecross73 msg me 16:56, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah, okay. Well... emo pop isn't necessarily a bad thing. Tezero (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Haha, yes, that's a point that has been brought up as well. Thank you for another voice on the matter. Sergecross73 msg me 19:12, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Zoe Quinn[edit]

BLP Barnstar.png The BLP Barnstar
Thank you.Yakushima (talk) 14:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

and for good measure:

The Video game Barnstar

Yakushima (talk) 14:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. All the admin/BLP type discussions have become a little draining at the moment, so the kind words are appreciated. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 14:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Elysian Shadows Resurrection 3.0[edit]

My latest news post summaries all the coverage the game has received from American tv channels to Russian websites.

Check out the hyperlinks for more info--Cube b3 (talk) 09:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

...I'll look into it... Sergecross73 msg me 15:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Please do, I am pretty busy during the week with my real life job (you know the one that pays), so I want to work on the page on the weekend. I think national television coverage makes it fairly notable. Also the Kickstarter is funded.--Cube b3 (talk) 17:07, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Why don't you go state your case, and list off all of your sources at the main talk page at WP:VG. If there's a consensus that the sourcing meets the GNG now, then I'll unsalt the article. It can be a good way to get all your stuff together if it goes alright. If not, then it can be a good starting point for a future "Resurrection 4.0". (Though I think the community is getting tired of discussing it, so I certainly wouldn't recommend a 4.0 any time soon. Sergecross73 msg me 19:37, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I've pledged my case, I have regularly updated the page in my sandbox:
Honestly, I am much more exhausted then you and I really do not enjoy working on a page that I had perfected the first time I created it and I much rather other fans continue to update it. I want to work on other upcoming Dreamcast games. It is also very hard dealing with admins who are completely oblivious to Dreamcast and Ouya because the game has been at the top of those platforms charts and websites for months. If you can get a few Ouya and Dreamcast websites on the list of approved references it would make your job easier.--Cube b3 (talk) 20:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Uh, if it was perfected the first time, then it wouldn't have been deleted multiple times. It's also not my fault that the Dreamcast/Ouya sources you have suggested so far do not meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source. Life would be easier if you took the time to learn how things work around here. You seem more interested in fighting things every step of the way... Sergecross73 msg me 20:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
It has only been deleted twice. The first time you all had a point that I understood. The page was constructed with primary references. I created a second page with secondary ones from the approved list but you took out technicalities such as oh there is a press release in there. Now I have even addressed those technicalities.--Cube b3 (talk) 06:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry you didn't realize that a press release is first party information? Sergecross73 msg me 10:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
What I didn't realize was that sharing something doesn't make it a secondary reference. Apparently a website has to paraphrase the press release in order for it's notability to be elevated and honestly I understand it, but don't agree with it. If a notable institution has chosen to share that information shouldn't it do the trick. What difference does it make? Not arguing or being aggressive help me rap my head around it.--Cube b3 (talk) 22:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Conceptually, it's just not third party. Beyond that, we don't want to be writing articles based off of press releases anyways because Wikipedia isn't a place for advertisement. Its okay to use press releases for small details, (release dates, for example) but you don't want to base an article heavily off of it or it'll start to sounds like one big ad. Sergecross73 msg me 23:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Well I agree, we don't want advertising. We want objective information however that is where our rewriting comes in. I think if a reliable source had shared the press release that is enough now it is our job to write an article that does not come across as an advertisement.--Cube b3 (talk) 05:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Special pages for deletion[edit]

Hi, Serge. Could you delete these two following special pages for me? Those two include User:Skylar3214/Part Major and User:Skylar3214/Black Heart (Stone Temple Pilots song). Obviously, they're of no use to me at all. No topic for my rap project, "Part Major", has been covered or resourceful since I blanked it and made a decision to have it gone. The second special page for the Stone Temple Pilots song "Black Heart" already has an article since I have a couple resources still on the article itself. I'd do it myself, but I'm no administrator, only a Wikipedia user. Thank you. Hope you take care of those two problems for me? Skylar3214 8:48, 26 August 2014

@Skylar3214: Hey dood. FYI, all ya gotta do is add this to the page: {{db|1=obsolete draft}}. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 09:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Smuckola. Skylar, I've deleted them myself this time, but you can always do it Smuckola's way in the future if you want, or if I'm not around or something. Either way is fine. FYI, I believe citing speedy deletion rationale WP:CSD#U1 would apply as well. Sergecross73 msg me 16:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both. I am very much appreciated. Skylar3214 12:02, 27 August 2014


hello my name is Alvaro, the edit page of Shinedown is news that the band has posted on Facebook about his new album # Shinedown5 thanks. Stayheredusttodust (talk) 21:04, 27 August 2014

That's fine if its announced and there's sources to support it. But you didn't add any content or sources, you just made a new subsection with nothing in it. You need to wait until there's actually information before making a new subsection, that's all. Sergecross73 msg me 19:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)