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Copyvio link issue[edit]

While many of the links you are adding to articles are good references to older magazines, I am concerned that the inclusion to the PDF of the apparently-unauthorized scan for this articles are inappropriate, even though the rest of the ref appears to be legitimate. Unless you can show that these PDFs aren't copyright violations, you should not include such links in these additions, though you can add the rest of the reference information appropriately. --MASEM (t) 00:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

good point, i will try to solve that issue. greetingsShaddim (talk) 13:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
ok was in contact with the author of the reviews and provider of the scans, Damien McFerran. He has an informal OK from the retro-magazin in showing this scans on his page. Shaddim (talk) 17:49, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

List of audio trackers[edit]

Hi Shaddim, thanks for the Schism refs. In terms of WP:RS, Free Software Directory is a definite "no". I've not come across QJ.net before but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - it's not self-published which is usually a good sign. Marasmusine (talk) 13:02, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

hello marasmusine, thanks for your feedback and support. If I come accross better secondary refs I will add them.cheers, Shaddim (talk) 13:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
This is going to sound like I have some kind of vendetta against Schism, but I noticed that the QJ post is just a reprint of the developer's notes: It's a primary source. Again, I'll leave it alone for a while, perhaps something better will turn up. Marasmusine (talk) 09:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
i keep on searching for a better ref. the monthly "computer music magazine" is an potential source for tracker refs, they have regularly tracker related information (rubric 'totally trackers' or in 'freeware') (some issues are here http://issuu.com/). in the (very) few issues i found in the web and checked, sunvox, renoise etc. was mentioned but not schism. Shaddim (talk) 10:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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GNU Assembler page - sample programs[edit]

I noticed your edit on GNU_Assembler and I wonder why include sample programs at all if the list is no comprehensive? Or if so should we avoid hello world and display how more complex instructions may work? Also, the fact must be considered that GAS in not only used on x86, why include x86 samples? I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on this. Friecode (talk) 23:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Friecode, one of the more prominent aspects which differentiates the GAS from other assemblers is the register clobber list (the other one is the perceived AT&T focus). The existing example (and also the text) did not reflect this, in general the article should be expanded not shrinked. Even when not taking the clobber list in consideration the intel syntax question/long standing debate is high profile enough to allow a example on it's own. So, this two differentiating aspects to other assemblers should be appropriate reflected in article, e.g. with a code example, which should be the startingpoint for a needed expansion. Shaddim (talk) 09:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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"no license" = proprietary[edit]

Hi there! I see you reverted my change. You do realize that under the Berne convention, unless a license is specified, it's then all rights reserved, which means proprietary? The proprietary software definition you mention was wrong, I fixed it. Palosirkka (talk) 08:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Palosirkka, thanks for feedback. While this might be a valid interpretation from legal point of view, this is clearly not what was intended and meant in some cases (e.g. the release of the Beyond Castle Wolfenstein without specific licensing was more likely meaning "public domain" than "proprietary") on this page. Therefore I think it is not a good idea and a oversimplification by putting everything without license in the same bag "proprietary". cheers Shaddim (talk) 09:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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About Falcon 4.0[edit]

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Regarding your edit about Falcon 4.0 in the List of commercial video games with later released source code, here are a few remarks:

  • You shouldn't mention the BSD license, since it has absolutely no legal value. Clearly, Falcon 4 source code comes from an unauthorized leak (from April 2000) and the code on BSD is just a derivative from that stolen code that some guys decided to put on "BSD". In a nutshell, it's still copyrighted work.
  • I don't think leaked source code has a place on the List of commercial video games with later released source code article, since all of these games were released by their publishers/creators. Imho, Falcon 4 has no place there.

Thanks for your work on the Falcon_4.0 article. I'll try to review and expand a bit when I find time to do so.

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Hi Spyhawk, Wikipedia has for good luck freedoms in reporting and writing about legal questionable, unclear or even illegal aspects of notable topics. I completely agree with you that the BSD release is highly suspicious, but we don't have proof that this was not done in legally OK way, backed by a a "behind curtain agreement". Even if not so, it would be still a noteable fact (e.g. if this ends in court) that someone has re-released the falcon code under a license he had no right to do so. The list's inclusion policies are a little bit vague: as the game source code was "released" 2000 by a developer (not stolen by a external person) it could be argued that this case fits the description of the page. Thanks for your current and future work on the falcon articles, appreciated. regards Shaddim (talk) 19:03, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Shaddim, Well the proof is that the rights on the code are still owned by some commercial companies. There is not official statement that the code was released to the community. Beside this, I followed the discussion between the (former) FreeFalcon group and the guys that released the code (some of which are former FreeFalcon members). Sadly, the forum of this discussion has been taken offline when the official FreeFalcon group was disbanded. Writing that the leaked code is under "BSD" is simply a lie. As a sidenote, the original code has been "leaked", not released officially (probably by a _former_ employee). The story of Falcon 4 is complicated, but really, this has nothing to do on this page as all the other game codes were released officially, not leaked. Spyhawk (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Spyhawk, my point is: I don't interprete the questionable legal status as exclusion reason for this list (several other releases are questionable too, while I agree Falcon might be the most questionable). The community driven Falcon development was accepted for some time by the copyright holder and obviously tolerated later. Also, how much of the original Falcon code is still in? If majority is now rewritten by the community who knows what an court would rule here? Shaddim (talk) 19:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
PS: Thanks for the wording improvement, in fact I would tend to this solution, a better formulation which makes the potential illegality clear. regards Shaddim (talk) 20:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Shaddim, You might not interpret the questionable legal status, but I do. Unless you undertake a Clean room design approach, the leaked code still infringe the copyright of the original code. I might steal your car, modify it and release under a BSD license, that will still be your car. At least, please don't list the BSD license as this is simply a lie at best. The underground code has not been "accepted" nor tolerated at all. In fact the history shows various Cease and Desist order to the community code branches. As you have guessed, I'm highly in favor of removing the Falcon 4.0 entry on this page, although I wouldn't object to add it to a "List of commercial video games with later leaked source code". Spyhawk (talk) 13:01, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Skyhawk, I see your point. As the legal situation IS complicated, falcon's history is of great interest for Wikipedia. I would see it as major loss if this interesting case would be lost for the public (also in this list). On your suggestion for a additional page/table of leaked/questionable source code releases, this might be a solution. Shaddim (talk) 13:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
PS: another possiblity would be renaming to the more general: "List of commercial video games with available source code" Shaddim (talk) 15:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Shaddim, your suggestion to rename the article to a more global list sounds like a perfect solution to me. This would also remove the uncertainty on all games that haven't been "properly" released :) Spyhawk (talk) 16:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Great! Thanks for consensus, renamed accordingly. regards Shaddim (talk) 16:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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