User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar/Archive 8

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Start archive 8.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

It Hurts[edit]

Was thinking about doing a DYK for "Darling It Hurts" by PK but think it still looks a little light on - any chance of you waving your wand & performing some magic? Dan arndt (talk) 07:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the massive assist on that one, has got me thinking about all those dumb things... Dan arndt (talk) 02:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday[edit]

Didn't think I let your birthday slip by without a mention did you? Well done on aging another year... Dan arndt (talk) 02:18, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Another 11 days to go but I'm not counting....thanks for all your help on "Darling It Hurts", maybe I'll get inspired. Dan arndt (talk) 06:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


Was putting together an article on Maurice Frawley but when I was going through the credits on the Paul Kelly and the Dots' albums I noticed that he wasn't included in the credits despite being a member of that band and the Paul Kelly Band (between 1980-1984), and co-writing "Look So Fine, Feel So Low". Dan arndt (talk) 07:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Been Waiting video director[edit]

So its just Keir McFarlane or both Keir and Mark? I'll add it. Would you know where I can find the video director for Running Back? ozurbanmusic (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Would that be a reliable source to add for the Running Back video director? ozurbanmusic (talk) 06:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Is there any more to do lists on the discography article? ozurbanmusic (talk) 05:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Musician referencing[edit]

Thanks for doing the Parkin save, Mick Medew could also do with your Aussie rock history expertise. Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 01:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Awesome work... if you have the time or inclination to do some more, some of these might be of interest... otherwise I hope you have a rocking weekend! Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 04:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 ARIA Hall of Fame inductees[edit]

I see the latest HoF inductees have been announced. The Church are a long time favourite of mine, and it would appear the main problem with their article is just referencing. The Models is a good example of well prepared article (kudos to the editors who worked on that one). The Loved Ones is probably the one most in need of work - expansion, referencing etc. I suppose that we could also work on Johnny Young. Your thoughts? Dan arndt (talk) 22:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The Loved Ones[edit]

In the article it states that their debut single was "Everlovin' Man", released on Astor Records. All the references I can find indicate the band's first single was "The Loved One". A good reference is Rob Lovett's interview. When I've checked the details of the Astor single (such as Milesago and a 45 Discography for Astor Records) they all come up with it being released in 1975. Your thoughts? Dan arndt (talk) 03:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Have just been checking an interview with Rob Lovett which appears to indicate that Kevin Murphy was the drummer with the Wild Cherries at that time not Anderson. Another interview this time with Kim Lynch also indicates that Ian Clyne found Anderson (who was studying at Monash University at the time) and that only Lovett was a member of The Wild Cherries. Would have to go with what the band members recollections on this one. Dan arndt (talk) 05:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Doing more research it would appear that the first drummer was Terry Knott who was replaced by Anderson before the band did any recordings. Which fits in with the Lynch interview, where he states "It was really hard to get a drummer - we tried another guy Architecture student...that didn't work." Dan arndt (talk) 05:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Interesting enough I checked the Milesago entry for The Wild Cherries and can not find any reference to Anderson as being a member of the band, which seems to confirm that Lovett was the only member of that band. Dan arndt (talk) 05:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Have followed through with you suggestion and left a message with Dunks58, hopefully he can clarify the issue with what was the band's first single. Based on my research to date Milesago seems to be the only site that indicates it was "Everlastin' Man". Dan arndt (talk) 05:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Need to work on the format for the members section. Agree about waiting to hear back as it is a pretty fundamental change. Dan arndt (talk) 05:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Based on this cover of the single it should be "Ever Lovin' Man". Dan arndt (talk) 05:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Trawling through various sites it would appear that Blueberry Hill and Loved Ones are essentially one and the same. The confusion probably arises from the fact that the cover just states 'The Loved Ones' with no more information apart from "Recorded, Processed, Pressed and Issued Through The Australia Wide Facilities of W&G Records". The track listing for the EP was "Ever Lovin' Man"; "Blueberry Hill"; "The Loved One"; "This Is Love". My best guess is because the only new track was "Blueberry Hill" that it was colloquially referred to as Blueberry Hill. Offically it should be a self-titled EP, The Loved Ones. Dan arndt (talk) 18:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Interesting enough, In my research I found two different listings for the The Loved Ones EP - check out Discogs which has the track listing as "The Loved One"; "This Is Love"; "Ever Lovin' Man"; "Blueberry Hill" (Catalogue WG-E.2712). All I can surmise is that, like you, there was another EP issued in 1967 after De Lacey joined the group (Catalogue WG-E-2744) which has the following tracks: "Sad Dark Eyes"; "A Love Like Ours"; "The Loverly Car"; "Love Song". As they have two different catalogue numbers I have included it within the discography. My guess is that WG Records were trying to make the most $$ out of the band's releases. Unfortunately I don't have access to Spencer's book, so apart from the sources such as Pop Archives I can't find any other evidence of the EP. Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that you'll find that the D.O.B came from the back cover of one of their releases, which also incorrectly states Humphrys name as Humphries. Whilst indvidually they can be found at Jolley's website, I'm sure I saw the actually back cover somewhere else, will do a bit more looking around and see whether I can't find it. Dan arndt (talk) 04:14, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok now I can see why Humphrys birth date is confusing. I managed to track down a website, Gerry's Last Gig, which includes a copy of the cover of Humphrys' funeral booklet/program - which indicates he was born in 1941. This would make Humphrys 64 years old when he died. Whilst you have one Age article states he was 62 and born in 1943, whilst another states he was 63, which means he would have to have been born in 1942. I'm going to go with the funeral information and stick my head out and say D.O.B was 1941. I'm guessing that Humphrys in 1966 wanted to people to think he was younger than he actually was... Dan arndt (talk) 04:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Found the page which has the details of all the member's birthdates, from which the original edits would have been based. Dan arndt (talk) 05:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Well you stumped me there - not certain where De Lacy D.O.B details came from (but at this stage I can't really be bothered anymore. Onto Johnny Young. Dan arndt (talk) 01:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Johnny Young[edit]

Well done - good work, sorry I wasn't up to my usual standards - R/L keeps interfering. Dan arndt (talk) 00:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

100 Best Australian Albums[edit]

I noticed that Creswell, Mathieson & O'Donnell have released a new book 100 Best Australian Albums, haven't been able to pin down the actual list but was wondering whether it was deserved of a separate article. Alternatively we should check to see that the top 100 albums all have their own articles and possibly ensure that a comment is included in those album articles for at least the top 10. Your thoughts? Dan arndt (talk) 04:58, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Found the list at Triple j will start trying to knock up an article. Dan arndt (talk) 07:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Roger Mason[edit]

I guess you are starting with his Bio - didn't realise he was a multiple APRA/AGSC Award winner. Dan arndt (talk) 08:16, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

James Freud[edit]

Given Freud's recent demise - maybe we should both have a look at adding to JF's article. Dan arndt (talk) 05:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I am not talking about him. I read his bio on here and it's back the front he did a lot things. RIP James —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Art vs Science Reflist[edit]

Hi mate, thanks for all the explanation about the reflist in respect of the Art vs Science page. Your explanation helped a lot. However, (and I only discovered this by accident yesterday) the {{Reflist|2}} has the same effect as you described - that is, it will automatically adjust the reflist to 3 columns if the viewer's browser is optimised for this. I learnt this because my browser (Firefox on a widescreen monitor) automatically changed it to 3 columns... So we're both heading in the same direction and have the same result! But thanks again for the tip! Teachingwedge (talk) 22:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The Good Oil[edit]

Recently noted that an editor has been creating articles for the various Midnight Oil's songs, unfortunately they need a lot of work. Keep thinking that the discography should have been an Featured List. Anyway thought you might want to swing by and have a look. Dan arndt (talk) 04:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Jenny Morris problems[edit]

I don't know were go on here for talk with you, I leave it here instead.

I spoke to Jenny Morris which gave me permission to run my fan site for her. The bio on my site I did a lot research in real life by rock magazine. I know Jenny Morris was teacher in New Zealand and Australia. She comes from Spanish background and I magazine with her on front cover and I go by her words. This link has a lot information on her I never came here first time I find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You can't post my bio information from to .com they are different and have no right post. I already legal esquire and my website is copyright protect now and you stole that information without asking me. I can take legal action with Wikipedia you put back the bio back

Early years and The Crocodiles

07:02, 4 January 2010

Jenny Morris was born in New Zealand in 1956. She entered the music business in 1978, when she began performing lead vocals in the all-girl group The Wide Mouthed Frogs.[2][7] Fellow members were Kate Brockie on lead vocals, Andrea Gilkison on guitar, Tina Matthews on bass guitar, Bronwyn Murray on keyboards and Sally Zwartz on drums.[8] This was followed in 1980 by the band The Crocodiles, with whom she scored a Top 20 hit in New Zealand with 'Tears'. In February 1981, at the behest of manager Mike Chunn, The Crocodiles moved to Sydney, Australia, only to disband in July. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Note: I have moved this material from the top of my talk page to this, more appropriate, place. Further discussion of these issues should occur on Talk:Jenny Morris (musician).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Jenny Morris

Jenny Morris OAM is a New Zealand-born Australian pop, rock singer-songwriter. Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with “Tears”. Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she was a backing vocalist for various groups and formed a trio, QED, in 1983.

Morris provided backing vocals for INXS on their 1983 album, The Swing, she then recorded a duet with lead singer, Michael Hutchence, on a cover of Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazlewood’s hit “Jackson”, it was included as a bonus track on the April 1984 (cassette only) INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached number two on the Australian Kent Music Report Albums Chart. Morris worked on their 1985–1986 Listen Like Thieves World Tour.

Her solo career includes top five Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Albums with Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top five ARIA Singles are “She Has to Be Loved” and “Break in the Weather”. These albums and singles also peaked in the top ten on the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ) charts.

Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for ‘Best Female Artist’ in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992. In 2003, on Australia Day (26 January), Morris became an Australian citizen and in 2010 she received the Order of Australia.

Jenny Morris is one of Australia's most successful female singer songwriters. Her creativity, personality and formidable ability have been instrumental in her rise to world wide acclaim as a recorded artist, performer and songwriter.

These same attributes ensure her corporate speaking presentation is both entertaining and highly valuable to a wide range of audience. Looking at crucial personal issues such as success - what it really means and how to achieve and sustain it - Jenny offers a different and thought provoking point-of-view that offers inspiration, insight and down-to-earth how-to's that work for both our professional and personal endeavours.

Jenny started her working life as a high school art teacher, performing at night with a number of bands before signing up with INXS as a backing singer.

Her first solo album - Body and Soul was produced by INXS's Andrew Farriss in 1987. The album went platinum, produced three hit singles and earned her an ARIA for "Most Popular Female Performer".

In 1989 Body and Soul was followed by Shiver which went triple platinum and like Body and Soul produced three hit singles - Saved Me, Street of Love and She Has To Be Loved. European Tours with Tears for Fears, INXS and Prince followed in the wake of international acclaim.

Three more successful albums - Honeychild, The Story So Far and Salvation Jane - have followed resulting in more platinum albums and hit singles.

Jenny has achieved a level of success that most of us only dream about. She has met and toured with some of the worlds' greatest recording artists including Paul McCartney. She has two beautiful children with photographer husband Paul Clarke and she is a respected environmental activist. By anyone's measure, an amazing line-up of achievements for such a young woman. But for all her success and the resulting acclaim, Jenny remains a down to earth person with a wealth of experiences that we can all relate to. Woven into her stories are some important personal messages supporting excellence and strength in all that we undertake.

Jenny's spectacular presentation, which includes a live performance of some of her hits, adds a very special aspect to any conference, dinner or corporate function. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Again, this issue has wider impact than my talk page and should be discussed at Talk:Jenny Morris (musician) where I have moved your previous comments and made my own replies. Please note that any further edits on my talk page, on this issue, by User: will not be transferred nor will they be responded to.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Shaidar, what can of worms have you opened here? It would appear that a significant amount of her bio information, whilst found at the preceding editors website, can also be found at a number of other sources. I don't think that the editor has any proprietary rights to that information if it can be found & verified at other sources. Essentially if the facts are correct they can ussually be verified from other sources. As long as the wording is not a direct copy then there shouldn't be any copyright infringement issue (but I'm not a lawyer). It should be worth noting that I did get in contact with Jenny Morris' management when I was seeking the use of an image of Morris. At that time I did enquire and asked them to check the article to see if there were any inaccurate statements or facts and that they confirmed that it was all good. Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Just for clarification: close paraphrasing can also constitute copyright infringement (beyond direct copying), but that doesn't seem at all to have been the situation here. Under the US copyright law that governs us, facts are not copyrightable. Even if they are the only source for those facts, they aren't copyrightable. Even if it turns out later that those facts are wrong, they aren't copyrightable, so long as they are presented as facts and you have good reason to believe they are. The only time facts become a concern (other than copying or closely following language) is when the facts represent creativity in selection and arrangement, and even then the facts are still free for use so long as you bring your own creative selection and arrangement to bear. I've closed the listing at CP, left a note for the IP and at the article's talk and neutralized the personal attack in the header while I was at it. I am sorry that it slipped my mind yesterday; I was happy to see that User:Yoenit had picked up the ball. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Check your email. 04:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Honeymoon Is Over (album)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Martin Fabinyi[edit]

Always the old names popping up - could do with some references on this one. Dan arndt (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Dinah Lee[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

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Delete it immediately, I'll find another image.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:10, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Oz Made Concert[edit]

Did you see that there is a new article, Australian Made: The Movie, a little on the brief side but someone is making an attempt. Dan arndt (talk) 07:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Dave Graney[edit]

Saw Dave Graney a few years back (am a big fan). Have copies of Night of the Wolverine, The Soft and Sexy Sound and The Devil Drives. Have to say that he and Stephen Cummings are two of the most under-appreciated Australian musicians around.Dan arndt (talk) 07:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Propose to split the article into various subheadings and then we deal with each individually - using material in the discography. Then we completely re-hash the discography, simplifying it and taking out the text (leaving the bare bones). Dan arndt (talk) 08:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Have been working on the Discography - simplifying & ordering. Have left all the text after my changes so that we can use in the main article. Dan arndt (talk) 09:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The Veronicas discography[edit]

Thank you very much for your review, I really appreciate it! DonEd (talk) 04:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Jessica Mauboy discography[edit]

Hey, I'm planning on re-nominating the Jessica Mauboy discography to become a featured list again. Remember those sources you added in the music video section. Well some of the links for those sources don't exist anymore and I need your help finding reliable sources for the "Running Back", "Burn", "Because" and "Everyone" directors. Thanks, Ozurbanmusic (talk) 11:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Thaank you! :D don't worry about the long delay, theres no rush. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 11:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

John Butler[edit]

if you can park your comments for the time being. There's an editor working on a clean up of John Butler, which is an admirable task however am concerned that in doing so he's removing info that I think is still pertainant to the article. Anyway I thinking that maybe I'm too close to the subject being a local freo lad and that my edits might not be encyclopedic enough. Hopefully you can run your vigilant eyes over the article and let me know. Dan arndt (talk) 05:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

John Butler[edit]

Thanks for your detailed, polite and civil post on the John Butler talk page. I really appreciate your collaborative spirit!-- KeithbobTalk 17:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Black Ice[edit]

Hey there. As I asked on the GA review, which of your requests is still standing? igordebraga 00:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for everything. First, I was just aiming for the GA. But after so much work that you requested, think I'll go after a magazine I mentioned on the review and try Featured status... igordebraga 11:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Wayback machine[edit]

Trying to locate a copy of BMusic's Newsletter No.271 (16 December 2000) - chasing the 'where are they now' section, in particular the part relating to Boys and Troy Newman. Dan arndt (talk) 10:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Troy Newman[edit]

Unfortunately there is no way he was born in 1964. He was only 15 (and still at high school) when he started playing with The Extremists and was 17 when he joined the Boys. He was only in his mid twenties when he died not 33. My guess is that reference you have used is incorrect. Will keep searching to see if I can find a more accurate reference. Dan arndt (talk) 02:49, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Sea Scouts[edit]

Thanks for the various links (have tried to incorporate them into the article). Apparently there is a reference in Who's who of Australian Rock (Spencer et al) but I can't track it down, if you could then that would assist. Dan arndt (talk) 07:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

thanks for rating the articles[edit]

thanks for rating the DJ Damage and Boney & Stoney articles. I'll add more to them as I find more info. cheers Kathodonnell (talk) 15:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


Of course I'm ready to give it another shot - am busy at work at the moment but will get on to it early next week. Dan arndt (talk) 08:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Did you see the news PK is to recieve the Ted Albert Award at the 2011 APRA Awards! Dan arndt (talk) 04:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
  1. I realise my last couple haven't cite refs but I have every intention to do so - roundtuit - been flat out at work lately (realise that is no excuse). 07:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Radio Wars (album)[edit]

I've come to discover that the GA status thing is a big farce. There are some really awful articles in that club, and honestly, you're reviewing process is geared more towards FA inclusion instead of GA. A lot of your recommendation are righteous, but a lot of it you're really over thinking and overdoing. Mattchewbaca (meow) 21:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


looks like a fair bit of work ahead, sorry have been distracted lately. Will try and spend some time doing a few transcripts from the tribute dvd, which reflect the influence he's made on other artists ss promised. Will also re-read his book and see if I can glean any gems.Dan arndt (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Brad Strut[edit]

thanks Shaidar, any help is appreciated! user:Dan arndt helped too. cheers, I wasn't sure about the ratings part - if I could do that too or not. Kathodonnell (talk) 02:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you're right, it's "The Authentic LP" on the cover art. I've updated the article with this. on unkut bio page it says Lyrical Commission was formed in 1999. I think I see the sentence where this should be clarified - and perhaps the culture of kings album needs a date too. I updated it - feel free to re-word it if it doesn't sound ok. Trem One, is another member of LC and a well respected hip hop artist. initially I was going to make an LC page with sections for members, but then there seemed to be enough for a separate Strut article too. I'll see if there's enough for a Trem article too - here's his bio thanks again for your help! Kathodonnell (talk) 11:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thanks again for your help, it reads much better now. I just changed one term 'hip hopster' to hip hop emcee. Kathodonnell (talk) 00:42, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thanks for the tips! I'll take a look either tonight or over the weekend (time poor atm) Kathodonnell (talk) 00:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


Great work on finding all the chart details for those Jebediah songs. Am having a little trouble trying to cite webpages from Pandora any suggestions? Dan arndt (talk) 04:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Running Back[edit]

Hi there, I was wondering if you have time, could you please do the GA review for "Running Back"? :) Oz talk 22:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Thats ok then! :) Oz talk 23:16, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Little Birdy[edit]

Thanks for the chart ref. Dan arndt (talk) 03:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


Unfortunately grammar isn't my strong point - looks like you've addressed all the editors comments without me. Dan arndt (talk) 03:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Paul Kelly PR[edit]

I meant the bands are called "The Dots" and "The Coloured Girls" and "The Messengers" in the second sentence of the lead (and elsewhere in the article), so I searched for each of those names and found two red links and a dab that did not list the band in question. I would be fine with redirests to his article for the first two and listing him (linked) and the band in the dab.

I did not check for "Paul Kelly and the Dots" or "Paul Kelly and the Coloured Girls" or "Paul Kelly and the Messengers" so of course these redirects all exist. I think a redirect to his article is OK (does not need to be to a section).

As for the captions and fair use, sorry to be unclear. I really meant that the more the article discusses the fair use media, the better. This does not have to be in the captions, though if there can be some sort of tie in there, that is better (but WP:CAPTION also calls for concise captions).

Just so you know I lisetened to all of "To Her Door" online - quite a good song. Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Well done. Lachlanusername (talk) 09:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


Given your help with Black Ice (album), can you take a look at Cliff Williams, and at least give it the Wikipedia:AUSMUS assessment? (I'm thinking about nominating for the GA soon) igordebraga 18:26, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm welcome to suggestions. Just hope it's not that much work - after all, I'm aiming at this, not this (and am, or should be, busy IRL as well). Black Ice even motivated me to purchase a magazine to push it farther (once it arrives, I'll add more info, and put the article on PR and FAC), but sometimes putting a green circle on a simple article is enough! igordebraga 18:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hints[edit]

Thank you for the hints. I wish someone would just do the GA review. Oz talk 23:44, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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I Can Only Imagine GA[edit]

Hey, I just want to thank you for helping with the GA by reviewing and editing - you've been a huge help and found many mistakes I wouldn't have. Seeing as the GA review is nearly complete, do you feel the article is near or at FA criteria? Once again, thanks for the help. Toa Nidhiki05 00:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. If you need any song articles reviewed, you can contact me - I know how annoying it is to have a GA review be stale for a while. I hope to see (and perhaps work with) you again on this wiki. :) Toa Nidhiki05 22:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Just a quick note, the song version you used in the article is actually the independent version. :P Toa Nidhiki05 22:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)