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Note to posters: Let's try to keep two-way conversations readable. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there. I may also refactor discussions to your talk page for the same reason. Thanks. Shuki

Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

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חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ[edit]

הַנֵּרוֹת הַלָּלוּ קֹדֶשׁ הֵם
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Chesdovi 2010

Talk:James_G._Lindsay[edit]

Hi Shuki, I'll really appreciate your comments about my new suggestions. Nik Sage (talk) 11:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Chabad houses for deletion[edit]

The article List of Chabad houses is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Frivolous SPI[edit]

Is there any sanction that can be applied to editors who fish for checkusers with little substantial basis? It seems that there is no real evidence of anything except common editing yet it would seem that anyone is free to come an accuse as well as join the party. If anyone sees this, please add a remark for me on the SPI. I hope it is not tempting a followup accusation of meat, yet I think it is only fair for the accused to reply. I make a dumb mistake, and everyone is piling on to join in the Shuki bashing. Thanks. --Shuki (talk) 21:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I would like to welcome Bulldog123 and Betsythedevine into the ranks of the I-P battleground and thank them for waking me up from a month of WP slumber. I am also as perplexed that with many of the regular I-P editors currently topic banned or interaction banned, they have suddenly shown an sudden uncharacteristic interest in this area, as well as a strong interest especially with the pro-Israel editors. Very peculiar... At least Betsy contributes to the project, maybe one day I will understand if Bulldog does anything other than attack and bring antagonism where he goes. --Shuki (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia's 10th anniversary[edit]

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Question about Beit Yatir / Teaneck relationship[edit]

Hi. I'm currently investing a brouhaha over an alleged twinning between the town of Teaneck, NJ and the moshav Bet Yatir. As far as I can tell, the only source for the twinning is your unsourced edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beit_Yatir&diff=174698486&oldid=174697857

Could you please contact me at larry at jewishmediagroup dot com and let me know what your source was for this edit? Thank you!

Yudel (talk) 20:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

You could click on the left side 'E-mail this user' as I rarely check here these days, enjoying a blessed WP vacation. I don't recall where I took that from. It seemed plausible. Most people on WP after a few months know that if someone has a problem with any claim, they can stick a template on to request sources and then remove it after a few weeks if nothing shows up. How is that brouhaha going? --Shuki (talk) 21:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I hope you are happy[edit]

[1]. Bearian (talk) 00:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about this. Too bad no one bothered to email me. I would not use the word 'happy', rather 'mildly amused' that some irrational person blew this wildly out of proportion. I just replied to Yudel above what any newbie to WP would do in order to avert a crisis. But this Siegel character, may he see how he has erred and caused strife instead of peace, was apparently looking for confrontation demanding that township officials publicly renounce the connection instead of merely doing some investigative footwork to see if Teaneck was even twinned with any other municipality in the first place. I am not surprised why everyone on the city council ignored his requests. The article is actually written okay and reminds me of good old style of investigative journalism you rarely see these days.
  • FWIW, I've never been to Teaneck or Beit Yatir and I cannot recall where I got that info. In my early WP days, I would copy information from other WP articles if it seemed plausible and uncontroversial. I definitely noticed that mentions of twin cities in other geo articles never had references, so I did not bother with that section there either.
  • FWIW2, if this Siegel character is so interested in being anti-Zionist, than he should not be using or giving credibility to WP which is based on PHP, a programming language which has a strong root in Israel. --Shuki (talk) 22:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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Happy Yom Yerusalyim to all.[edit]

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I need your help[edit]

I was recently engaged in a somewhat productive talk regarding Ariel (city) with other Wikipedians. I would highly appreciate your help (and the help of everyone who wishes to help us) in better editing the article there in general, while preventing one-sided editing in particular. Can you please visit the Ariel (city) article and help me? 62.219.119.17 (talk) 13:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

after my last post (is that the right term, post?) here above. I had the following massege left on my page :"Please do not engage in the sort of canvassing that you have on Shuki's talk page. Also, please note that this editor is currently topic banned and may not participate in such discussions. -asad (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)". i mention it here for two reasons: 1. i disagree with what ASAD is describing as 'canvassing', but clearly you have a much more important opinion in that regard (behing your page and all...) 2. they say that you are 'topic banned' and i wonder if that is true (and how come you were banned). thank you in advance for your much needed (more than ever) help.62.219.119.17 (talk) 15:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I hope Shuki will not mind me answering this. He is banned, see this sanctions log. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I want to thank the community for watching out for me. I don't think this is canvassing at all, but as everyone knows, (I'm touched) I cannot edit on certain articles for about another 150 days. I wonder if I'm allowed to discuss these issues on my talk page because that seems to be ex-territorial. Anyone have any insight on that? --Shuki (talk) 17:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I also wonder how can i send an e-mail to Shuki in particular and others in general? where can i find someone's e-mail adress?62.219.119.17 (talk) 17:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

If you create a username, then on the left side of most userpages there will be a link to "E-mail this user". Though, I can't guarantee that I'll answer. --Shuki (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Elazar Abuhatzeira[edit]

Why did you create the article in mainspace if you had no references? There's no contest for "creating the most useless stubs that will get deleted." I also must admit that I am very skeptical of notability of a religious scholar only being provable as soon as said scholar is dead, in spite of a 40-plus year career. In short, rather than fighting to keep it in mainspacce, why not create it in your userspace and then just move it when it meets policies? MSJapan (talk) 02:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

It's best not to comment on articles or people you do not know about, though I am not one, I understand the attitudes of deletionists. Anyway, as a veteran editor looking for information on which to base opinions, you definitely would have clicked on interwiki links to see if the other languages have any info. Even if you don't speak those languages, you can still get a picture of the legitimacy of a subject for an article since we AGF and assume that other wikis are also maintained to high standards. In any case, the reason why there was no article until now is because a) there was not much RS available except for a major scandal and b) I created the stub because this was a breaking story and there was nothing in English on the web about it and the context of being from a notable family dynasty. People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info. This is not a stub that will get deleted and I assume a veteran editor like yourself would again AGF and check my record of edits before assuming I would create a 'useless stub'. --Shuki (talk) 04:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
You said exactly what I thought you would say, which was "People trust WP for breaking news even if only a byte of info." I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is not news. This is an encyclopedia, not a media outlet. MSJapan (talk) 04:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
You know that officially is the motto here, but in reality, WP is a form of encyclopedia, almanac, journal and repository of history. If WP was really notnews, there would not articles like 2011 Norway attacks for instance. --Shuki (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

AfD[edit]

Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armoured busKitfoxxe (talk) 05:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit]

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Just saw your post on AE and thought to commend you on the perceptive, pointed and civil comments there. Baruch Shuvcha! --MichaelNetzer (talk) 04:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate your fine contributions. --Shuki (talk) 07:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

חַג חֲנֻכָּה שָׂמֵחַ[edit]

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Jiujitsuguy 2011

Toda. Good to see your still around. --Shuki (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Revava[edit]

You have violated the 1RR. Self-revert your edit or you may be reported. nableezy - 21:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Please explain. This 1RR must have happened when I was gone. I reverted you once is a violation of 1RR? --Shuki (talk) 21:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Your first edit was labeled a partial revert, your second a wholesale revert. So you have made 2 reverts, which is more than the allowed 1. Every article in the topic area is covered by a 1RR, see WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction. nableezy - 21:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Ah, you are playing games with me. I understand now. I recall now how you do it, gimme a min. --Shuki (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
No, not a game. Not even a warning. Rather, a request that you self-revert your edit and a notice that if you refuse to do so I will report you for violating the 1RR. nableezy - 21:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Ok, not warning - coming from you is a threat. I self-reverted my first edit, but did not re-add alleged since the additional news articles clearly say the courts convicted Peace Now of publicizing a false report. Would the 1RR also include keeping false information in the article, or is it blanket 'don't revert twice'? Please be honest here, if you have issues, I'll revert that as well for now and get second opinion. --Shuki (talk) 21:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I see you chose to self-revert a different edit in order to keep a different revert. You should see here where a similar situation resulted in a lengthy ban (for me) on the basis that such an action was "gaming". nableezy - 21:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Shuki, you are free to remove anything you wish from your talk page as you did here, but the comment stands. In fact, looking at the thread I linked to above I see you participated in it, so you have no excuse for thinking that you can game the restriction in such a way. Please tell me if you are not going to self-revert your edit so that I can proceed with the AE report. nableezy - 21:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll keep this embarrassing comment of yours in. Thanks for reminding me about that AE. It's good to keep a record of that information and that they did stop you in your tracks with that frequent tactic for once and for all. I guess I have to read up on about a years worth of action here to understand the new boundaries. If it's keeping your behaviour intact, must be good progress. Too bad you have not learnt to AGF and give me more than a minute to edit before re-threatening me. --Shuki (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
And I appreciate your future drawing attention to many Israeli articles that I have to improve. --Shuki (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Please[edit]

I would love to see you take me to A/E for a typo and my Dysgraphia. See you there. -asad (talk) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

AE[edit]

[2] -asad (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Article ban[edit]

In accordance with WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, and as a result of this AE thread, you are indefinitely (note not infinitely) banned from editing the article Golan Heights. You may, of course, appeal this sanction at any time to AE or to the Arbitration Committee. Speaking only for myself, I would imagine that the sanction could be lifted if you remained out of trouble for the next few months and then appealed it. Regards, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

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Thank you for the pictures you've taken and allowed others to use via Wikimedia Commons and contributing under CC and GFDL licensing. CocoaZen (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate your appreciation. Thanks :-) --Shuki (talk) 17:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Shooting move[edit]

I wasn't completely clear on the talk page. I did the move because two people had already suggested it (without a title). However, I didn't see that there was already a general article with the plural until after the move. Superm401 - Talk 15:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

No one reads AE talk[edit]

You should ask on of the admins active in the area on their talk page or put formal AE request.--Shrike (talk) 20:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

New AE request[edit]

AE request     ←   ZScarpia   14:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

As a courtesy, I thought I should let you know that I've discussed you in relation to the recently ended AE request here.     ←   ZScarpia   00:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I guess. I will AGF you again, though I'm sure that many think it is quite funny that I get sanctioned while others (like you) are merely dismissed at a subsequent identical. I didn't goad you to taking me to AE, merely demanded that you retract that misleading accusation (in fact frivolous) and peculiar that even though I did not break 1RR, you succeeded in getting the admins to eliminate me for subjective reasons only. Now that the holiday is over, I will have to decide how to proceed. --Shuki (talk) 00:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey[edit]

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Pesach sameach[edit]

The symbolism of getting indef'ed from I/A articles on Pesach eve is too hard for me to not notice personally. I thank you all for being part of this message. --Shuki (talk) 09:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The ADL, which has a clear agenda, is not RS - but Peace Now, B'Tzelem and Ha'aretz, that also have clear agendas, are. Seems like the books have been cooked in Chametz Gamur, making it a good time to keep a distance. Pesach Sameach! --MichaelNetzer (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:ARBPIA Topic Ban[edit]

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Category:Jewish film and theatre[edit]

As you commented on this category at the previous discussion, please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 17#Category:Jewish film and theatre (no. 2) which I have raised afresh at the suggestion of user:IZAK. – Fayenatic London 07:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration enforcement filing[edit]

Shuki, as I believe your comment on my talk page violates the topic ban to which you are subject, I have filed a request at arbitration enforcement for review of the matter. I will refrain from myself imposing any administrative sanctions in the matter, since your post was directly questioning my judgment, and I do not believe it would be appropriate for me to unilaterally act in such a case. You may post a statement defending yourself, and since the AE thread directly accuses you of violating your topic ban, defending yourself will not be construed as a violation of your topic ban. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Radio stations in Israel[edit]

I suppose I should fix it myself but I'm not an experienced Wikipedia user/editor. Your edits to List of radio stations in Israel weren't done properly - you added (thank you!) Kol Chai and Kol Berama into the section for stations operated by the IBA instead of the section for commercial stations. (There may be other entries which are similarly wrong but I noticed yours).

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Topic ban[edit]

Revert yourself or Ill file an enforcement request. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

My topic ban is with regard to I-P, to which the Golan does not apply. I have edited Golan articles in the past topic bans as well. Thank you for caring. --Shuki (talk) 00:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Your topic ban is "banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces" [3]. So its not only articles about I-P conflict , but also Syrian-Israeli conflict. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
You are right and thank you for clearing that up! Thank you for caring and not losing your watchful eye. Sorry to see you have not changed your aggressive attitude even for a simple realignment of an image. I would give you a barnstar but that would probably violate my topic ban. --Shuki (talk) 00:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012[edit]

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  • User:Nableezy point out that your series of edits reveverted your intial changes. I failed to see that. I have unblocked you, and I sincerely apologize for my error.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the Ron Nachman page. I'm sure that this technically violates the ban but hope that editors and admins will understand the insertion of this and finalized personal neutral information later. Thanks. --Shuki (talk) 21:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

2013 election[edit]

See here for discussion needing input.--Metallurgist (talk) 20:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Eliezer Igra[edit]

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Thanks bot, the article has been expanded.--Shuki (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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Shomer Masoret[edit]

Hi, I know that you are a good writer on Israeli topics, and would like to ask you, Shomer Masoret is my own work which i'm not satisfied with (Especially the content in context of form of translation as not being a native English speaker etc.). It's an important Israeli topic (39% of Israeli define themselves "Shomer Masoret"/Masorti", though it's not a movement, but rather a "Self Description" phenomenon). Can you help improve this article ? or can you recommend any user who is knowledgeable on Mizrahi/relgious topics in Israel? --Midrashah (talk) 14:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Legitimate article. Please add some references, I will try to edit in the next few days. --Shuki (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you :-) --Midrashah (talk) 07:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

What's up with editing the article Shomer Masoret ? --Midrashah (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of David Lau[edit]

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are u kidding me? he was elected Chief Rabbi of Israel. i don't think it's so hard to find references online. instead of delete this article who clearly have to be, find the information there. TZivyA (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Would you like to expand Four Mothers (movement)?[edit]

hi shuki, would you be intrested in helping expand Four Mothers (movement)? --Midrashah (talk) 11:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. I don't have enough information on this group. --Shuki (talk) 18:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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Topic ban (2)[edit]

You need to stop making those edits, per your topic ban. Thanks. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

My topic ban is pertaining to the IP articles, not political parties. --Shuki (talk) 20:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Your topic ban is to the Arab-Israeli conflict. If you think Neo-Zionism is not pertinent to the Arab-Israeli conflict, well that's just odd. And surely not plausible, say for example at AE. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
You just reverted me without reading anything.
The parties that are categorized are described as Neo-Zionists is the article Neo-Zionist and this is sourced. For some articles it was even mentionned in the article itself.
Neo-Zionism movement rejects the idea of a Palestinian State and consider Eretz-Israel comprises (at minimum) the totality of former Mandate Palestine. This is therefore a topic that is linked to the I-P conflict.
If you don't self-revert, I assume that you will be blocked.
Pluto2012 (talk) 20:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
You're dragging me into the specific area that I am not allowed to edit in, and that was not my intention at all. You might notice that I have respected the TBAN over the past year and have no intention of breaking it. As per the reverts, gimme some time, I will return with the permission I received from admin about this. If I am mistaken, I can make the reverts. --Shuki (talk) 20:24, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I didn't "drag" you anywhere. I even never met you. You jumped there alone.
Anyway, there is no hurry and I don't see any issue if you discuss this with admins as long as you take care of your actions, discuss in talk pages and don't transform these articles in a WP:BATTLEGROUND for ideological reasons.
Pluto2012 (talk) 20:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Reverted all the articles I had edited today. I don't have time to get into that. Eventually, will probably will issue an appeal to AE, but would like to continue the WP vacation this TBAN has afforded a bit longer. I remember now what a battleground you guys still think this is and thank you too for watching out for me. Pluto, I think I know who you were. Please be careful. --Shuki (talk) 20:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I formerly edited wikipedia under the account "ceedjee".
What are your concerns with the fact to create the category "Neo-Zionism" and to add there the political parties and movements as well as some people who adhere to this philosophy ?
You asked for WP:RS for this but :
  • most are referred as such (with sources) on the article Neo-Zionism.
  • have in mind that scholars share the spectrum in 3 parts : Zionists, Post-Zionists and Neo-Zionists. Each party should be somewhere in one of these third. (There are few Anti-Zionist parties in Israel, if any).
If you give precise concerns for one given article (one at at time), I don't mind discussing this with you.
Pluto2012 (talk) 06:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
I can't discuss that issue with you because the pro-___ warriors will chew me out like they did the rest. FWIW, in general of course, it is OR to label / cat articles about people and organizations that are not labeled with that term widely, and perhaps by one or only a few writers, if they are mentioned specifically. ANd it is OR to construe by their minority definition of a term and then place it on everything that might then fit the definition, even if it was never mentioned explicitly, or even existed at the time of the author's mention. --Shuki (talk) 16:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree with your analysis.
But sincerely, I don't think we are on the wrong side of the red line.
  • The reference that I used for the political parties is Anita Shapira and 2 other scholars. These are not Post-Zionists (ideological adversaries of Neo-Zionists) and these are not just journalists but academics who specialized on the Israeli society.
  • For Im Titzu, they describe themselves as such on their website and other do so too.
  • There was already a category named "Kahanism" (much more discussable from my point of view) that I englobed in this one.
  • The only litiguous case that I see is that I extended the category a little bit to cases without trying to find sources but as a consequence I restricted myself to cases where, if I don't check for sources, it cannot be denied they concern Neo-Zionism (ex. Professors for a Strong Israel, Aryeh Eldad, Movement for Greater Israel...). I don't think it is WP:OR. It is rather a case of "reference needed" at worse. And if somebody disagrees, I will just ask me to chose a better option between : Anti-Zionism, Post-Zionism, Secular Zionism or Zionism...
NB: I am sorry for your topic ban. The I-P arena is really unpleasant and "staying alive" unbanned is a miracle. I you fear that this discussion could cause you trouble or tire you, there is no need to go on this right now. Pluto2012 (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Survey[edit]

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.@Efrat (talk) 06:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I must have missed that. Please resend if still relevant. --Shuki (talk) 21:35, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


CfD nomination of Category:1917 in the Palestinian territories[edit]

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Category:1917 in the Palestinian territories has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. GreyShark (dibra) 17:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I have an opinion on this but I have yet to bother to appeal the TBAN that I'd be violating to comment there. --Shuki (talk) 18:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Your topic ban[edit]

As you note in the thread directly above, you shouldn't have commented in this discussion. As such, your comments were not considered in the closure.

I strongly encourage you to not do this again, as another admin might have sanctioned you rather than merely giving this warning, based upon your past history, for example.

If you have any concerns about this message, feel free to start a thread at [[WP:AN], where I welcome community review of my words here. - jc37 00:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for watching out. My topic ban is not for Israeli history issues, so I suggest you first describe here how you justified this judge-jury decision without approaching me in good faith. Per AGF, my 'past history' is over a year ago and I expect a bit more consideration. If I take it to ANI, is it technically possible to regenerate the comment for ANI (not the cat discussion that is closed)? It seems to have been deleted and not in my contribution history either. --Shuki (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Right page, wrong thread. I've corrected the link. My apologies for any misunderstanding.
And I'll leave others to decide how to interpret "broadly construed". As I merely left a warning and not a WP:BLOCK. Please feel free to ask arbcom for a clarification at your discretion. - jc37 19:44, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
It would have been easier to ask the admin who closed the tban and let me edit Israel articles. --Shuki (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

President and Rector at Ariel University[edit]

Hello. Thank you so much for creating Ariel University a few years ago. I would love to give a lecture there one day. I have added President Yehuda Danon and Rector Shmuel Shacham to articles for creation. I don't have time to create them right now, but would you? Please let me know if you do. Also, I saw your message at the top, but much easier for me if you reply on my talkpage. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)