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CFD backlog[edit]

Hi SFB, you have probably noticed that there is a backlog of nominations needing closure at CFD. You seem to have a decent understanding of CFD, and if you would like to do Non-Admin Closures of any of the early ones outstanding on the list at WP:CFDAC, I'll be willing to implement any of your closures that need admin rights (i.e. deleting, merging or renaming).

Any that you judge have a consensus of "Keep" or "No consensus", you could implement yourself. The instructions are at WP:CFDAI.

You would probably want to read WP:Non-admin closure and WP:Consensus if you have not done closures before.

Of course, you're under no obligation to do any more than the extensive and much-appreciated work that you are doing already. I just wanted to give you the option to help out with CFD, as there is a general rule that only admins may close CFDs as delete/merge/rename (because only they can implement those). Let me know on or off-wiki if you would like any more guidance! – Fayenatic London 20:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: Thanks for the invitation! Having given this a bit of thought I will have to politely decline at this time. Many of my recent category nominations/discussions have involved quite high level or long-standing traditions (e.g. what is a defining attribute, location and year categories, stub categorisation). These types of nominations attract both wider interest and conflicting views. I have been accused of prejudice at times, which is to be expected given my behaviour.
I think if I get involved in the closure side of CFD, at this moment, fellow editors may perceive me as having some form of greater say in category discussions than those not so involved. I don't want that to be the case – I want people to engage with just the logic of my reasoning, not my position or social status. I certainly don't want my actions or presence to compromise the process.
For me, questioning the basic aspects of categorisation is very important task; I believe people easily forget that many parts of the structure have simply grown organically and were not always built with a great deal of thought or a wide consensus. I'm happy for people to question my motives, and even to lose a few arguments, as long as we end up with a document of why the community feels something should be a certain way. Perhaps this is a bit of a cop out, but closure is definitely something I will consider when I am starting fewer or less controversial discussions myself. Thanks! SFB 21:12, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
That's fine, thanks for explaining a little of your thinking. Feel free to dip a toe in the water if you ever feel differently. Some of the overdue ones are not hard cases, but the current "regulars" are ruled out of closing them because we participated.
Admin work does detract from time available for creating content, so it's a perfectly respectable decision to stay out of it. – Fayenatic London 21:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
@Fayenatic london: There is that side of it too. My recent involvement in category work alone has seen my number of articles per month go into single figures, even though I have lots of known gaps still left to fill! Cheers SFB 22:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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Page move requests[edit]

You didn't set up the page move requests correctly, for example 2003 World Championships in Athletics – Men's marathon, the source and target are the same.--S Philbrick(Talk) 11:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: My mistake. I've fixed these now. Thanks for the heads up! SFB 17:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
All done--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:09, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Simon Maina[edit]

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DYK for Emmanuel Ifeajuna[edit]

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Turrbal: on adding supposed nations to the "neighboring nations" sentence[edit]

See my new section on Talk:Turrbal -- let's discuss there.

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Sig[edit]

Your signature is needed here. Cheers! Location (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Athletics at the 2014 Panamerican Olympic Festival[edit]

Hi SFB: I could cover the upcoming event held next weekend. However I don't know where to hook it. Some frame/structure like "Panamerican Olympic Festival", "2014 Panamerican Olympic Festival", "Athletics at the Panamerican Olympic Festival", navboxes, categories,... has to be generated and hooked to PASO, but that is normally not my business. I could generate a stub "Athletics at the Panamerican Olympic Festival" and hook it to APA as their announced "senior championship". APA is co-organizer for athletics and the event is also open for non-PASO members (Anguilla, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos, and probably Curaçao). Any suggestion?

Appreciate your comment also to this problem. CroesJ (talk) 12:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@CroesJ: Hi there! I noticed references to this event, but only now have I read enough material to understand what it is. It just seems like a test/development event rather than a competition proper. On that basis I don't think it warrants the same level of coverage as something like the Pan American Games. I suggest we start with just the 2014 articles and leave out articles like Athletics at the Panamerican Olympic Festival until the continuation of the event is confirmed.
Pan American Sports Festival seems to be the common term for the event, so I have started a basic article there and linked in 2014 Pan American Sports Festival. If you want to start working on the year article you can use Template:Events at the 2014 Pan American Sports Festival as the navigation template. I would place all related the articles into the main Category:Pan American Sports Festival. If this does turn out be just a one-off event then this sole category will more than suffice for navigation. Let me know if you need any more help. Cheers. SFB 18:13, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
The pictogram for canoeing in {{GamesSport|Image=Yes|Canoeing}} should be "Canoeing (flatwater) pictogram.svg" Canoeing (flatwater) pictogram.svg in difference to "File:Canoeing (slalom) pictogram.svg" Canoeing (slalom) pictogram.svg. And "Cycling" should be "Track cycling" with "File:Cycling (track) pictogram.svg" Cycling (track) pictogram.svg (no road cycling competitions). CroesJ (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
@CroesJ: Fixed as requested!. SFB 19:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Heather Turland[edit]

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Splitting of Category:Ice hockey people from Ontario[edit]

Having closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 August 12#Category:Ice hockey people from Detroit, and implemented the closure, I started to get worried about the size of Category:Ice hockey people from Ontario - currently almost at 1,200. A currently open discussion, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 August 13#Category:Ice hockey people from Markham, Ontario, proposes upmerging more articles there. Being that you participated in one or both of these discussions, you may be interested in a related discussion at Category talk:Ice hockey people from Ontario#Splitting of this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Mismatch[edit]

Hi SFB! I noticed a mismatch between {{AthleticsLink|Marathon|Men}} pointing to "Event – Men's marathon" and {{ECMarathon}} pointing to "Event – Men's Marathon". I changed {{ECMarathon}} for the years of my recently created pages 1934 European Athletics Championships – Men's marathon and 1938 European Athletics Championships – Men's marathon, but I am not sure whether this is correct and what to do. Any advice? CroesJ (talk) 12:35, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@CroesJ: Hi there! Hope you're doing well. There has been mixed usage in terms of capitalisation. For some reason many athletics sources capitalise the various event names, including the marathon (e.g. 100m Hurdles, High Jump). From my perspective, these are not proper nouns (or proper names to be exact!), so they do not need to be capitalised. I try to standardise these to lower case. Marathon is a little bit of a special case, given it's origin from Marathon, Greece, but the event is very much a regular noun. On that basis, the contents of Category:Marathons at the European Athletics Championships should be moved to marathon (small "m"). SFB 18:05, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Athlete[edit]

Its good to see you active after an absence. I don't want to be accused of canvassing, but we really need to get comment from people involved with Athletics articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#Athlete, prefaced at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics#Relevant Rfc at Talk:Sportsperson. This change affects us so we need comment, from you and the other people who are part of the project. How do we get this to happen? So far, I'm all alone and I'm on the wrong side of the pond to mount a defense. Trackinfo (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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Formatting issues[edit]

Hi SFB! I'm working on historical events at the European Athletics Championships, and completed the missing years 1934-1978. Now, I would like to revise the events in 1982 completing the missing heats/qualifications. I started to change the style of the existing tables to avoid different table styles in the same article (see [1] or here). Hope this is OK? And what to do with the "Marathons"? Redirect to "marathon"? CroesJ (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

@CroesJ: Hello! I noticed you had started work on the event articles – great work so far! In terms of format, the 1982 article looks just fine. Personally, I prefer the grouped format as used on the 2014 article which allows for easier comparison of heat times and overall rankings, but I don't think either option is the "wrong" one. I have moved the marathon articles to use small "m" as we talk of people being marathon runners, not Marathon runners. It's not a proper noun, although capital "M" was previously used (I think this change was discussed at the project talk). I'll look out for other capitalisation issues. Good luck working through the results! SFB 20:20, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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Smallcat exception rule[edit]

Hi, I've noticed that a nomination to delete/merge a small category is quite often rejected - based on the exception rule that categories that are part of large established tree should never be deleted regardless of their small size. Do you know if there is any chance to get rid of this exception rule as such? According to me the exception rule isn't particularly helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

  • @Marcocapelle: Hi there! The only way to change this is to change people's minds – convince them that this is not a good reason. I think the cause of the issue is technical/cultural: articles are not contained in all relevant parents. If the contents are present in the parent, then the "small cat" issue disappears entirely in my opinion.
  • Nevertheless, with the current arrangement I also believe the "established tree" reason is used without much more investigation into the average category size in that tree. Many times I see 200+ tiny categories with one or two articles just because "American xers" and "British xers" have a few dozen such articles. Maybe discussing the average category size of the tree is a good start to challenging usage of this idea. SFB 19:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Also, sometimes people over-estimate the true article base for a topic. I recall arguing against another editor about why we should not have 220 male and 220 female nationality long jumper categories (the article base is only around 300!) SFB 20:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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Church music is not a church or even a type of church.[edit]

Church music is not a church or even a type of church. Church music is a type of Christian music. Church music is related to church, but so are many thousands of other things. tahc chat 04:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

@Tahc: But Category:Church is a category about the whole concept of church (you could include church culture, if such an article were to exist, and not just about buildings. Church music relates specifically to music within church and thus belongs in this category, unlike broader concepts like Christian music, which also covers music outside of a church context. I think any article which covers a topic specifically in a church context only should belong in a category about the concept of church. SFB 11:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Christian leaders[edit]

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Update navbox name parameter after moving a navbox[edit]

see here, otherwise the edit link goes to the redirect page, and not to the navbox. Frietjes (talk) 14:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Thanks for the heads up. I will keep an eye out in future. Seems strange to me that this can't be done automatically in the transclusion though! SFB 21:48, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
it's almost possible now to have it automatically determined, but you have to invoke the navbox module directly (i.e., use #invoke:navbox instead of navbox). however, that doesn't appear to be the norm yet. I am hoping there will be a way to make this work without using the #invoke:navbox syntax, since that would require retraining all editors who actively work on navboxes. we shall see which way it goes in the future. Frietjes (talk) 13:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
see here. Frietjes (talk) 17:36, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Ugh - I've forgotten about this again. This is far from the only template I've moved recently. What is the impact of this? Having tested it out, I see the link still takes you to the navbox (rather than ending up at the hard redirect). Is it just that the view link won't show was black-bold when viewing the template? SFB 18:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
the main problem is that the edit link goes to the redirect page, rather than the template. this confuses newbie editors who then proceed to fork the template, overwriting the redirect. I would love to have the template/module detect this, but apparently, it's very expensive for a template/module to determine if a link is a redirect :( the links for the talk and view aren't such a big deal since those will just follow the redirect. Frietjes (talk) 18:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

American men's basketball players category[edit]

You should wait til the discussion is over and the future of the category is determined before spending time adding it to articles. If the decision is to delete it then you are just creating more work to transition these over. Please wait til it is closed as "keep" before doing this. Rikster2 (talk) 22:08, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

@Rikster2: Hi there! I simply meant I'm working on building the "sportsmen" structure which underpins the category being discussed. I've mainly started with the topic area I usually work in (athletics), though I've starting building up the contents of Category:Sportsmen by sport as well. SFB 23:54, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
@Rikster2: In my experience there should be no objection against adding pages to a category while it is under discussion, as this can help to justify the existence of a category. Re-catting afterwards is done by a bot anyway. Face-smile.svgFayenatic London 14:04, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
@Fayenatic london: then I guess it's OK if I remove the category from pages since it's redundant to several other categories? It's my experience that category discussions should run their course before people start assuming a final decision. Also, if kept, a sub-category structure diffusing to the 50 states will be needed. A bot cannot do that, that is man hours by editors like me. Rikster2 (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
If it's clearly redundant to some pages, i.e. the redundancy is not disputed, then yes go ahead, so that the discussion can focus on the remaining contents. I was commenting on the general principle rather than the case mentioned in this section header. – Fayenatic London 15:16, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it is important for people weighing in on this discussion to see just how little energy has gone into populating this category in the last year. Adding it to an extra hundred or so pages - especially by editors who probably won't work on populating it long-term (not saying that is SFB) - gives an artificial impression that the category is being actively maintained. There are thousands upon thousands of articles this category would impact. People need to get the lethargy around it. In my opinion, you'd be assuming the outcome of the discussion to add it en masse (if one knows the discussion is occurring of course). Why not wait for an outcome before doing so? IMO, that is the better practice. Rikster2 (talk) 15:21, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
In theory this category could be very easily populated by taking the contents of Category:American basketball players minus Category:American women's basketball players and feeding them into a bot task. Still, if the primary editorship of basketball articles chooses to neglect such categories, then this structure will not develop properly.
The athletics knowledge base was once in a similar condition and it's taken three years to just get something like Category:Male sprinters from a dozen articles to over 1000. Unless you're insane enough to dedicate yourself completely to categorisation (which some bizarrely do!) then it's a process that will take a lot of time. My worklist is still huge despite years of effort. I think as long as the categories are reasonable (i.e. divisions relevant to the subject and something readers will use) then it's worth slowly building rather than taking the easy route of neglect. SFB 01:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Tanya Jones[edit]

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2015 Pan Am Templates[edit]

Thank you for moving those templates over! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sportsfan 1234: No problem! I'm not really sure how we all got in the habit of creating templates with unpredictable, goofy titles in the first place. This is only the start of the clean up job! SFB 21:01, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I think its just past precedence! I followed the lead from earier competitions. Thanks again! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Template merging announcements[edit]

Hi. The banners in templates such as Template:Bronze3 are not in "noinclude" tags. Thus they are displayed in every artcle inclusions, such as tables in Lists of Olympic medalists. Could you fix your edits ? Thanks ! Dodoïste (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

@Dodoïste: Hmmmm. Normally this is the way to attract attention to discussions but I think you're right that these are just too disruptive given the smallness of the templates and their use in tables. I will put the nominations in a "noinclude" to stop this. Hopefully people realise sometimes it's better to spare users such hassle and let the broadcasting of the discussion suffer instead! SFB 21:53, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I closed the discussions. Feel free to merge as you see fit. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
@Martijn Hoekstra: Thanks for giving me the option to merge as appropriate. I've redirected these to the main gold1 etc templates. Cheers! SFB 21:28, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Medal[edit]

I've tried to make the css style changes again to the Template:Medal. I think it was a missing " that caused the issue. Could you check to see if it's ok now? Thanks. -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

@WOSlinker: Yep! That fixed it. I thought it was a missing quote, but I tried in the wrong place. Thanks for sorting it. SFB 23:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Timelines[edit]

Hi! With respect to the Timeline of Arda, you have recently re-categorised this article under Category:Fictional timelines. Since Timeline of Arda is already listed under List of timelines in fiction, why is there a need for said article to be listed again under Category:Fictional timelines? May I respectfully ask what is the point of this duplication? Joe Gatt (talk) 00:15, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

1993 European Youth Summer Olympic Festival[edit]

I don't think you meant to create a circular redirect. Bgwhite (talk) 07:05, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I think you need to remove a talk message at your /TP template... something is messed up there. Bgwhite (talk) 07:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: Thanks and... thanks! SFB 17:57, 24 November 2014 (UTC)