User talk:Smallbones

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So, naturalists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey;
And these have smaller still to bit 'em;
And so proceed ad infinitum.
Thus every poet, in his kind,
Is bit by him that comes behind.
Jonathan Swift, On Poetry: A Rhapsody (1733)

Thank you[edit]

I've seen how much you hate paid editors, and continuously making an effort to stop them, I really grateful to have you here on English Wikipedia :D .--AldNonUcallin?☎ 15:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

@Aldnonymous: Thanks for noticing! It's always good to get positive feedback. I will correct you, however, I don't hate paid editors, rather it is paid editing that is hateful. It is tearing down a wonderful structure that has been built up by many volunteers, that provides good information to whoever has access to the internet. If that information is poisoned, and people can't trust us, then the whole structure may collapse.
Your post reminded me of a news story from a couple of decades ago. After the fall of the Soviet Union people started cutting down and selling copper cable from high power electrical transmission systems (nominally still in use). I don't hate those folks who cut down the cable - they were doing what they had to do to survive. I did hate the fact that the transmission systems were being destroyed. It just seemed like there must be a pretty simple enforcement system that would stop the destruction. Everybody likely knew who was buying the cable - these folks could be stopped fairly simply if anybody took the obvious steps. Similarly, most people likely knew who was cutting the cable or where to look to stop folks from cutting more. So the system was messed up, but the parts of the system that led to the destruction of the cable could easily be fixed. The actual folks who cut the cable, in my mind, were less responsible than the authorities who couldn't be bothered to take a few minimal steps. That's my reading in any case.
Thanks again.
Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:32, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
That was insightful, I'm the one who should thanking you (again :D), and... You're welcome.--AldNonUcallin?☎ 19:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Editor of the Week[edit]

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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week, for integrity and valiance in the fight against paid editing. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Coretheapple submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

I nominate Smallbones as Editor of the Week for the integrity that he brings to the project, and for his yeoman work - unsung, unrecognized, unappreciated - fighting to preserve Wikipedia from encroachments by paid editors. He has been an editor for more than eight and a half years, and during that time has edited a staggering 11,337 articles at last count. He is not an administrator, heaven only knows why (too much sense?), but a content contributor par excellence, with in excess of 31,000 edits, 65% of them in article space. He is a generalist's generalist, with his top contributions ranging from Bernard Madoff to Media, Pennsylvania. But his prodigious talents as a contributor are not the only assets he brings to the project. No one has fought longer and more valiantly against paid editing. It is a great pleasure to nominate Smallbones for Editor of the Week.

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Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 16:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your continuing concern over the issue and your calm, level-headed approach. ```Buster Seven Talk 18:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Wow! It's always great to get feedback like this. Thanks Coretheapple and Buster7 Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey Smallbones, just wanted to express my thanks as well for both for your contributions and your engagement with others on broader ideas with Wikipedia that I've seen on Jimbo's talk page and other spots. I often find it difficult to jump into those conversations myself, but I do read them, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness. I, JethroBT drop me a line 02:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Very pleased to propose this. Your contributions are tremendously appreciated. Coretheapple (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Global account[edit]

Hi Smallbones! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 14:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Jonesborough Hist. District[edit]

Hello, Thanks for your comments. And for removing the stub designation! Labor of love. Thank you for your observation re. possible copyright on historic markers/plaques. I did not understand your comment: "But you should send the article to "Did You Know ... " I can do it for you if you'd like." Did you mean send the question re. copyright on the plaques? In any event, yes, if you would send "it" for me if you would...?Steven C. Price 14:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven C. Price (talkcontribs)

New Galilee[edit]

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See my photo of Galilean Presbyterian Church, 40°50′9″N 80°24′5″W / 40.83583°N 80.40139°W / 40.83583; -80.40139, taken a few years ago. It's still there, or at least it was when I was there on Thursday. Nyttend (talk) 13:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

QV the paragraph beginning with "In 1827 the Rockv" [sic] in this local history. Nyttend (talk) 13:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. I haven't done any local photography in a long time (I was already taking lots of photos when I was in college), but I need to start again — we're continuing to lose built environment here (I don't remember ever hearing so many sirens from so many directions before last night), and I'd like to do a project at least as intensive as what I did in Bloomington. Nyttend (talk) 14:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Louis Kahn's Fred E. and Elaine Cox Clever House is for sale[edit]

Are you still interested in taking photos of Louis Kahn architecture? I see that his Fred E. and Elaine Cox Clever House in Cherry Hill, NJ is for sale. Here is the Zillow page: Hopefully you would be able to gain access to the house for photos. Good luck! Bilpen (talk) 15:36, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon[edit]

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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You are invited to join us at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign (which also includes events in Brooklyn and Westchester!).

12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St

The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 06:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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That shopping/lifestyle center[edit]

Does it even meet notability criteria? I just tagged. All I can find are articles in local papers. I don't believe we have articles on pizzarias, donut shops and shopping malls of strictly local interest. Coretheapple (talk) 21:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


I suggest you review this. BMK (talk) 03:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and if an editor undoes you edit saying that it wasn't an improvement ("Better before"), reverting by saying that it *is* better is just saying "I disagree", and "I disagree" is never an acceptable excuse for edit warring. Now go discuss. BMK (talk) 03:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

This might make you smile...[edit]

... Catholic Total Abstinence Union Fountain == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@BoringHistoryGuy - Very much so! Thanks. I did notice that Moses is missing a horn. And I remembered that I was very surprised that Commodore Barry was Catholic. You should go for a DYK (w/pic of course) Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm in the midst of reading a Penn masters thesis on the fountain. LOTS more information. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Barry's religion is one reason there's a statue of him behind Independence Hall. It was a sop to Philadelphia Catholic voters just before a mayoral election. I think you'll enjoy reading the masters thesis on the fountain.[1] == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Tournesol.png Dear Smallbones, Thanks for helping (remotely) with Wikipedia:Meetup/Ocean City, MD/Wiki Loves Small Museums Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Amendment request archived[edit]

Hi Smallbones, an arbitration amendment request you were listed as a party to has been archived to the Wifione case talk page. A motion was proposed but did not gain enough support among arbitrators. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 01:19, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

The "Ultimate Book of Truth"[edit]

Re your comment here, Google's Knowledge Graph apparently relies quite heavily on Wikipedia (see [2]), as well as Wikidata [3].

An added dimension here is Wikipedia Zero. You saw the Wifione case. Ponder the implications for hundreds of millions of third-world mobile phone users who can only passively consume Wikipedia, while the only ones in their countries able to read other sources directly – which is also a precondition for editing Wikipedia – are the business and political elites. Whose interests will the content they create serve? say, "If it takes off, Wikipedia Zero can, with one fell swoop, change the course of the open internet — and not necessarily for the better. No corporate or single platform — whether it's Facebook or Wikipedia — should be put in charge of curating access to the world's information. Simply put, zero rated content makes zero sense for the future of the open internet and the rights of those who use it."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a traditional ally of Wikipedia, says, "Whilst we appreciate the intent behind efforts such as Wikipedia Zero, ultimately zero rated services are a dangerous compromise." Contrast the opinions in that piece with [4].

If you find the prospect of Wikipedia becoming the Ultimate Book of Truth scary, you're not alone. Andreas JN466 21:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Simon Owens: Will the FTC ever drop the hammer on paid Wikipedia edits?, March 8 2015, The Kernel (republication of a blog post by Owens first published last year). --Andreas JN466 15:37, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference[edit]

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015
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You are invited to join us at Barnard College for Wikipedia Day NYC 2015, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference for the project's 14th birthday. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00pm - 9:00 pm at Barnard College, 3009 Broadway, by W 118th St

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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Statistics - editor gender balance summary[edit]

The ones I can bring to mind are:

( All stats F/(F+M) )

  • 2010 WMF/UN university c. 12 %
  • Study corrected above figures c. 16.1 % (something over 20% for adult US)
  • 2011 WMF survey - headline figure 10%, restricting to English WP gives higher figures c. 12%, presumably subject to same correction as 2010 survey
  • 2014/15 WMF "Global south" survey c. 20%
  • User prefs figures, indicate > 20%

For my notes on various sources relating to gender balance or systemic gender bias User:Rich Farmbrough/temp105

All the best: Rich Farmbrough16:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC).

Banned user?[edit]

Similar username as other accounts from the same banned user[5]. I think you were the one that was staying on top of that particular case? So thought I would ping you so you could take a look. CorporateM (Talk) 19:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Removal of content and source from Naveen Jain without comment[edit]

Could you please explain the edit [6] on the talk page, and address the discussion about this very source and content made earlier? --Ronz (talk) 02:01, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm in the process. Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 02:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

And thank you for taking the time to look to closely at the article. --Ronz (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

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WikiProject Did you knowDYK comment symbol nomination

Margo Humphrey

  • ... that Margo Humphrey's colorful transformation of "The Last Supper", The Last Bar-B-Que, is considered one of American visual culture's iconic images?

Created by Smallbones (talk), Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Nominated by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) at 16:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC).

  • I replaced the text <the last supper> with <"The Last Supper">. I think we should give Da Vinci at least as much respect as Humphrey. :-) As far as "Fiji" in the Alt1 hook - she didn't actually teach in Fiji since it was distance education, but she was invited by the Queen, which might be another hook to consider. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  • My intention was to refer to the event rather than a particular painting; in one of the sources she talks about having looked at many different depictions of the last supper before creating her own work, so I would want to avoid implying that Da Vinci was the major influence (even if he is the best known). One of the other sources suggests she did actually travel to Fiji to teach, I'll make sure to add that one to the citations. Thanks! Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg interesting person, on good sources. I like the original hook better, but suggest to use the phrasing of the source:
ALT2: ... that Margo Humphrey based her colorful The Last Bar-B-Que on The Last Supper, creating one of the "iconic images in American visual culture? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you![edit]

Gaufre biscuit.jpg Thank you for your good work at the Represent Edit-a-Thon yesterday. DThomsen8 (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Angry Orchard[edit]

You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD, though I would think "40% of the United States hard cider market, rising to 50% by 2014" is a reasonable claim of notability. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Blue Bell Inn[edit]

Back in November 2014 when I tried to capture images from the Yeadon Loop (SEPTA station), I took Island Road to the Cobbs Creek Parkway and tried to capture the Blue Bell Inn along the way, and on the way back. Not having a red light at Woodland Avenue really screwed that up for me. Is there any chance you can get that? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our inaugural evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month on Lady Librarians & Feminist Epistemologies! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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Anything to watch out for?[edit]

I'm looking to spend Saturday getting Philadelphia photos, concentrating on the western part of Center City and maybe going up to Germantown. Is there anything that I need to watch out for down there, e.g. construction or other road closures? I see that the Phillies are in DC, so I'm not concerned about baseball traffic. Nyttend (talk) 05:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Your MkuCr proposal[edit]

I don't agree with your proposal but I am not going to oppose it, partly to see what other people think but mostly because I wonder if establishing a consensus on a change is more important than the change itself at this point. AmateurEditor (talk) 04:14, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Favor to ask[edit]

I am looking for a nice photo of the octagonal dome in Nero's Domus Aurea for the History of Roman and Byzantine domes article. I have looked in Commons without finding one and the only share-able one I could find on Flickr left a lot to be desired (here it is). I left a couple requests on the picture requests pages in Commons, here and here, without response yet. I'm not sure what more I can do and I gather that you are more familiar with photos and Commons than I am. Do you have any suggestions? AmateurEditor (talk) 04:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)