User talk:Smallbones/Archive 1

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Hello, Smallbones, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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New Soros Poll

Hey I wanted to let you know that I put up a new poll over on the Soros page. I appreciate your older poll, but I thought that this other one would more accurately reflect the "compromise" solution that Crockspot and I had been working on. Let me know what you think. |3 E |_ |_ 0 VV E |) 14:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I've posted my thoughts about this on the Soros page, in which I hope I've accurately referenced your concerns.[1] Please let me know if I got it wrong. Thanks! Eleemosynary 06:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Apparently frustrated by his inability to build a consensus, Bellowed has decided to resort to untruths. He is attempting to state the 5-4 divided vote on the George Soros Talk page as an overwhelming consensus for including the O'Reilly material.[2]. Please stop by the Talk page; your help would be greatly appreciated. Eleemosynary 00:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Bill Moyers

Hi again. Would you mind stopping by the Bill Moyers Talk page and weighing in with your opinion? The same situation on the George Soros page--wherein two editors are claiming that attacks by Bill O'Reilly should be included as legitimate "criticism" of the article subject--is breaking out on the Moyers page. Any thoughts you have on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Eleemosynary 05:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:CarlsonFederalReserve1987.jpg listed for deletion

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North/East/South/West Jersey

Hi. You reverted my removal of the mention in the East Jersey article of how the East/West Jersey split is "roughly" the same as the North/South Jersey split. The entire northwestern quarter of the state, with the addition of Ocean County, is not an insignificant detail. —Largo Plazo 14:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


Appreciate the feedback on admin candidacy. I have a reciprocal respect for your work as well. Ronnotel 14:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

RfA # formatting

Hi. When adding comments, please place a # before the colons to preserve the number formatting. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 16:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

why do you remove from the Forex article?

It doesn't violate any policy. Is not a forex broker and it doesn't sell anything.. There are just pure informative articles written by Romanian people in Romanian and English language. I will add this link back because I think it was removed without a reason.

Stefanvaduva 11:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Please see my talk page and tell me the final verdict regarding this website. I will respect your decision and I will not add it again if you still consider that link should not be there. I just want you to know that I don't agree with your first decision and you can see the arguments on my talk page. A community where people can talk about forex trading can be a very valuable ressource.

Thanks, Stefanvaduva 06:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ronnotel's RfA

I'm limiting thank you spam to just those contributors who made an extra effort on my behalf. I am truly grateful for your support and I hope to live up to your expectations. Ronnotel 13:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I regrefully missed participation in your RFA. However, my full support for you, Ronnotel, should be noted. Both you and Smallbones have been valuable and knowledgeable contributors to this project, particularly in the areas of finance. Congrats and thanks--Hu12 14:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I do seem to have scrapped by, but a pass is a pass. Appreciate the support. Please note my immediate action plan. ;) Ronnotel 15:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:TimeCoverSoros090197.jpg

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Link spammer User: blocked

The next time you see someone like this coming along, drop me a note - the admin rollback feature is pretty handy. I also indef blocked as per WP:SPA. Ronnotel 20:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I appreciate the support in this. User:HU12 does a lot of prevention/cleanup along these lines. But just a warning - this stuff is a bottomless pit - see foreign exchange market for example.
As always, Smallbones 13:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much

I will take a look at Brandywine Creek in a few days (fairly busy IRL now) and see if there are any suggestions I can offer. Thank you very much for your kind words about Larrys Creek. I appreciate them very much, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Just saw your comment on Ruhrfisch's page. Let me know if you want any photos of a particular location along the creek, as I'm within striking range of most of it. (OK, so north of the Main Line gets to be a stretch.) I also have a copy of Henry Seidel Canby's Brandywine, which has some useful cultural information on the stream. Choess 04:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bad Axe

Thanks for your comments on Battle of Bad Axe (the "there" thing was a typo, I do know the difference:-)). It seems Helena does still exist, see comments on talk page. IvoShandor 21:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mark Twain picture

First, even though the MOS says to the contrary, it is debatable whether or not the lead image of a person must face right or left. This is especially true considering the rising prominence of infoboxes, which are always aligned on the right side of the article. Second, a photograph is nearly always preferred over a painting as paintings have creative license and are not precise representations of the individual. As for the "old man stereotype", I believe what you are saying is that the image I added is how people commonly perceive him; that sounds like a reason for keeping it as the lead as it is familiar. And finally, I'm sure you agree that the image I added is of high artistic quality (unlike the one you replaced, which I agree was poor in quality), and therefore should serve as the "premier" image in the article. At any rate, I re-added your sketch as it does provide a representation of Twain as a younger man, though I put it in his biography section. I think it fits in nicely there. --Tom (talk - email) 14:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Mark Twain, Brady-Handy photo portrait, Feb 7, 1871, cropped.jpg
I'm willing to meet common ground. How about the photo to the right? --Tom (talk - email) 15:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Topic ban violation

This edit of yours to Elliott wave principle was in violation of your topic ban from Prechter-related topics. Please make no further edits in this subject area, or you will be blocked. Picaroon (t) 03:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

<from my talk page>

Just to be clear. "Topic banning" was never mentioned before the arbitration. "edit warring" and "incivility" were mentioned by outsiders, but these seemed to be aimed more at Folsom than me.
Thanks for the offer, but I'll contact Jimbo by myself. I'll let you know (in brief) what happens here, and if I think there is anything that you can do. Thanks again. Smallbones (talk) 12:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Perfect (re: Topic ban), that's what I was hoping. :)
Rereading what I wrote below, it occurred to me that you might think I condemn your behavior towards the other editor. I personally don't think you have broken WP:CIVIL, or any of the other allegations, but since the idea of civility is subjective I can't argue effectively against other's perception of what it means to be civil.
It's very important to keep the topic ban totally separate from the incivility debate, because they are two totally different things. Because even if the community feels you were breaking WP:CIVIL or WP:NPA (who knows what they'll say?), any punishment should be regarding how you edit article talk and user pages, not articles themselves.
Whatever happens, good luck. :) Anynobody 23:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Finance project

Thanks for the welcome. Don't know about "experienced" or "respected," but am definitely an editor. Will look at the articles/Afd you mention.--Samiharris 18:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

On the options article, I think the article, now that it has covered call writing, fits the bill on GA. But if you disagree, feel free to remove.--Samiharris 19:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Your note

Not sure who George is, but thank you. Jayjg (talk) 03:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Am greatly honored! I humbly accept your magnificent award.--Samiharris (talk) 14:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

One thing that would help

If you could point me to a template that is usable for creating a "genealogical tree" of a company. I'd like to create a genealogy for JPMorgan Chase.

Roadrunner (talk) 03:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for your note. I agree that Wikipedia should not do an article on every confidence artist. However, when the take goes into the millions, and the subject owned and operated a "Forex School" it is a public service to provide objective coverage.

I am a firm believer in not including the name of someone who is just arrested for a crime prior to the trial. I believe that pre-trial publicity makes it difficult to have a fair trial. Those concerns do not apply here. I would also refrain from including the names of victims of crimes, even those quoted in the WSJ saying that they would still trust the convicted felon to win back their money with further Forex training.

What bothers me most is the number of articles that violate WP:COI, where the subject (or his publicist) creates an article about himself and pads his accomplishments. If I had seen a self-generated article about a Forex trader or a Forex trainer, I would have recommended speedy deletion. Racepacket (talk) 19:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Forex scam

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Stock Market Predictions at January 2008 stock market downturn

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I don't know much about the subject; is the article still a problem? Jayjg (talk) 02:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't think of any specific policies off-hand that would deal with this - other than the usual, WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR. I wish I could be more help. Jayjg (talk) 02:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Samiharris RfCU

Not sure if you care, but I thought this was interesting. Not sure what to make of it. Ronnotel (talk) 18:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I've replied at User:SirFozzie/Investigation/Sandbox#Section 13: Significance of so few overlaps by Cool Hand Luke. Cool Hand Luke 21:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Evidence

I hope you don't mind, but I fixed the repeated errors of your spelling of Mantanmoreland, for accuracy. You refered to him as Metanmoreland, while it is really spelled Mantanmoreland. I've corrected these and I thought I would just leave you a note about it. — Save_Us 00:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you - I was obviously referring to Mantanmoreland. Smallbones (talk) 13:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but same-minute editing is just the start. I have Alanyst's data. Would you like me to compare interleaving editing within half an hour according to the previous definition? These accounts only have four in that period, and some casual checks suggest that hardly any of the other accounts will have so few. What threshold would convince you? Cool Hand Luke 23:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, reply here: Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Evidence#To Smallbones. Cool Hand Luke 01:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Scope proposal

I've replied there. I'm certainly not married to it, I just tried to summarise the basic allegations made in the Evidence page which may merit investigation. User:Dorftrottel 18:44, February 17, 2008

As you requested

At User:Alanyst/Vector space research#Variations I have added results for a run of the topic-filtered VSM algorithm for the Mantanmoreland account, as I did for the Samiharris one earlier. You had expressed interest in seeing the results, so I invite you over for a look. Cheers, alanyst /talk/ 05:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Your Edit of Joel N. Ward

You made a comment in reagrd to my editing Joel N. Ward. I am new to this and I appreciate the help. I happen to know him and know the case very well. So, when I saw errors of context in news media comments I feel compelled to correct them. Or, If I know something else I felt it important to put it in. I see what you are saying though about verification. What is the solution to verification? Merely referring to another cite on the web, including the over trusted news media, for facts? Here's an example. The media said that Mr. Ward wrote in a diary that he was a "financial serial killer." I happen to know personally that (1) Ward did not keep a diary, (2) he wrote a confession (I saw it), (3) in that confession he said within the context of suicidal thoughts that he 'felt' like a finaical serial killer, not that he was one (big difference), and (4) Craig Karmin of Wall Street never saw the written confession nor asked Ward about it (according to Ward), as Karmin merely assumed the Government's allegation to those words were accruately expressed so copied them. So now, two things are going on. First, there seems to be an assumption that if it's in print somewhere it makes it truth and is repeated as fact. Secondly, you allowed the edits I put in about the above matter, which clarifies the details more accurately, but you have no true basis or facts to even do that. It's like this whole idea of verasity and honest journalism is now not only lost in biased journalism, but here at Wikipedia too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting we get to write anything and everything we want without sourcing it. I'm venting here about the frustration and looking for the fair way to approach this. I guess I will learn more as I go. Thanks for reading my ramblings anyway. By user:jwzoom

Barrington Hills Townships

See the Barrington Hills talk page for my explanation to the fix I made. — oo64eva (Alex) (U | T | C) @ 04:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


I saw your question about redirecting Profitability and just thought I'd let you know that I think you did the right thing. Relata refero (talk) 22:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh, didn't see you comment about TA on FT/N till just now. What I meant about MBW was that regardless of who was socking for who, there was no question but people who had some form of CoI were involved. For some reason I hadn't realised till then that financial articles would obviously be extremely vulnerable to that....
Do look over the TA article if you have time and see if any other deletions/re-organisations seem indicated. Relata refero (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Electronic trading

Good start at cleaning up. It makes me feel good when my suggestions are supported so quickly! All the best. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Mark Twain photo on TV

Thanks for the FYI. That's the second time someone has put one of the photos I uploaded on TV, as far as I know (Austin Lane Crothers in his top hat was used briefly in an intro to a few segments on either the Daily Show or Colbert Report... can't remember which). --Tom (talk - email) 14:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Peter Pronovost

Wow, a great start. Let's find more cites and build it up. Bearian (talk) 14:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this was a fun project! Here's a tulip barnstar to thank you for the help! I'm not really sure how the Main Page request system works. I was reading the guidelines trying to figure them out. It looks like there's one point for diversity, since there are so few economics articles. I'd think the article should get two points for Main page representation because it's the only historical economic event that's featured. Then I think that if you make the request there's an additional point under "contributor history". That'd be four points if I understand the system correctly, even without the anniversary. --JayHenry (talk) 05:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


You might want to comment at Wikipedia:Non-free content review here: [3] concerning the image, it would be appreciated.....Modernist (talk) 01:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for the comments you put in my talk page. I just realized I had new messages today, so I apologize for the late reply. Yes, I am from Hagerstown. The Chambersburg article looks really good - very informative and I learned a lot about the community just from reading it. Likewise, the Hagerstown article was my first venture into Wikipedia editing; I think I have contributed about a similar percentage to the Hag. article that you have done for the Chambersburg article. Anyway, good to hear from you. Sorry, I don't know much about tulips and I am usually not in the area (as I am a student), but thanks for the invite. Vpuliva (talk) 08:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

St. David's (Radnor)

Thank you for your kind words. Thank you also for the link to another source (we like those!). As you seem to agree, I expect this work may be a bit less than 100% reliable, what with its rather florid (yet gushing) style, but it may yet be useful. Coincidentally, I expect to be at St. David's later this month and I'll see what I can find. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

(you wrote:

Just checking on what you think of the name change of the article. I'd personally prefer retaining Radnor in the title but haven't heard back yet on why it was changed. Smallbones (talk) 08:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC) )

I'm with you. I have actually heard people call it "St. David's (Radnor)", and that's the simplest form of the name that wasn't already in use. I'd also note that the "Wayne" appellation does apply to the postal address but, as the article notes, not all of the grounds are actually there. So yes, I'd support a return to the original title. (I've been on something of a hiatus, so hadn't seen the article until yesterday) --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi Smallbones, I just happened to look at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. If you wanted to submit Tulip mania for the front page it looks like now would be a good time. It would have more "points" than most of the current submissions. --JayHenry (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

There's an admin I remember supporting a long time ago who, from his edits, clearly knew markets. I'll see if I can figure out who that was. There must be others too. As long as enough people, and a few admins, are aware of the guideline and understand its need, I think we'd have a good shot of seeing it implemented. I really can't edit current market topics though and as a consequence I don't know who these editors are. I assume they exist? --JayHenry (talk) 03:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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You have deleted Profitability definition

not taking it to a profit article. You are bad boy. Carn (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


For what it's worth, I started an article on Matvey Kuzmin. It'll be up to the hard-core partisan enthusiasts to flesh it out. —Zalktis (talk) 09:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I found a link proving Matvey to have been a bona fide HSU. —Zalktis (talk) 16:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Brandywine (disambiguation) and Brandywine Creek (disambiguation)

I do not object to Brandywine Creek (disambiguation) being merged into Brandywine (disambiguation), PROVIDED that "Brandywine Creek" redirects to whichever Brandywine (disambiguation) or Brandywine Creek (disambiguation) page, and NOT to a specific "Brandywine Creek" article.

If so merged, then there are more "Brandywine" USGS GNIS names which can be added.

I moved:

  • "Brandywine Creek" to "Brandywine Creek (Christina River)", and
  • "Brandywine Creek (Ohio)" to "Brandywine Creek (Cuyahoga River),

so that they are not ambiguous with the other articles (to be created).

At this time, I am mostly updating Alaska (major & South-Eastern), and Lake Erie (Ohio) watersheds.

I am creating the (3) other "Brandywine Creek" articles for Ohio. Updating (B-Class) the (2) Lake Erie watershed ones, and at least templating (Start-Class) the Ohio River watershed ones.

I merged "Brandywine (disambiguation)" into "Brandywine Creek (disambiguation)", so "Brandywine (disambiguation)" can get deleted, and "Brandywine Creek (disambiguation)" moved to "Brandywine (disambiguation)".

I went through some of the pages referencing "Brandywine Creek" and updated them to point to the appropriate pages, I will try to go through as many as I can.

  • Stoevers Dam and Recreation Area is the principal landmark on Brandywine Creek (Quittapahilla Creek).


John Brown House pic appears not to be public domain

Hi, i noticed you added a pic for John Brown House to the Chambersburg, Pennsylvania page. It would indeed be nice to have such a pic, but the one you added from the Pennsylvani ARCH system does not appear to be public domain. It is a picture of a National Register site, but there is no indication that the picture was taken by a Federal employee or otherwise owned by the U.S. government (in which case it would be public domain, yes) rather than by a local person or by a Pennsylvania state employee. It is on a PA website, too.

Hmm, if the photo met public domain standards by being old enough, instead, that could work. But it does not appear that old, there is a plaque in front of the house suggesting to me this is more likely a 1960s or so pic, not old enough.

So, please reply if there is anything i am missing, but the photo should be removed in my view, currently. sincerely, doncram (talk) 04:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for replying with more information at User talk:Doncram#re Image:JohnBrownHouse. Your additional information only confirms for me that the photo is not public domain and cannot be used by wikipedia. I am sympathetic to your wish to use the photo, but as Appraiser notes there, "their giving permission to users of their site to download and print pictures isn't as comprehensive as releasing pictures to the public domain".
The issue about using this photo from Pennsylvania's ARCH site is not an isolated one: there are many other ARCH photos, and many photos at other states' Department of Archives and History or comparable departments, that we would like to use. It is possible that a state department might support our use of their photos. However, to my knowledge no member of WP:NRHP or any other wikipedian has obtained, or even requested, proper permission to use state-owned photos. So I cannot gauge how likely it would be, that you could find someone at ARCH who would be willing and would have the authority to put a photo out under a wikipedia-compatible license. If you were to pursue seeking such permission for this particular photo as a test case, I and others would be happy to support you. It would involve getting specific authorization via the OTRS permissions management system, I expect. However, for now and until a favorable outcome of such a request was obtained, this particular photo should be removed, IMO. P.S. I also raised this at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#photo of John Brown House from Pennsylvania state archive site doncram (talk) 14:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in the discussion, and I think you actually were plenty gracious in conceding. I do sympathize, have myself been on the frustrated side regarding other photos. Following through on a process, here is the last notice:

Copyright problems with Image:JohnBrownHouse.jpg

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I believe there is nothing further for you to do, since it has all been talked out. I believe this will now be deleted by an administrator in a week's time. doncram (talk) 07:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Re Brandywine Redux

Hi Smallbones, I did not think you were claiming to be an admin, I just wanted to set LeheckaG straight in case s/he thought you were. I think I found the relevant section of WP:DAB that would be in favor of splitting Brandywine Creek from Brandywine, here: Wikipedia:DAB#Partial_title_matches.

I will see if I can add the info I have on Brandywine Creek (Christina River) tonight (length, source elevation, watershed area, etc.). I also have some thoughts on the alternate names but am somewhat busy right now.

Finally, as to the pictures on ARCH, here is my understanding. If the US Federal Government or one of its employees makes something like a document or a picture, it is public domain. If the federal gov't hires someone to take a picture, it is also public domain (so if a branch of the gov't like the National Park Service (NPS) hires people to take pictures for the HABS or HAER, those are also free images as work for hire of the US gov't).

The problem is if someone submits a picture and the US gov't only publishes it. For example, I was interested in a photo (of a device to generate electricity from waves) published by the US Energy Department. However, when I checked with the Energy Dep't, they had gotten it from the vendor, so it was still copyright of the vendor (despite being displayed on a US gov't website). With the Pennsylvania ARCH photos, most of them were taken by the Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission (state government, not federal) or private contractors or regular people and submitted to the NPS as part of the NRHP nomination process. The copyright belongs to the person who made it, not the NRHP / NPS.

It may be if someone contacts ARCH and the PHMC they will give permission to use the photos, but unless it clearly says so on the ARCH form, assume they are not free (bummer, I know).

Hope this helps, nice to cross paths with you again, and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image:TimeCoverSoros090197.jpg

I missed the reason that the George Soros TIME cover was deleted. The "notification" of this was over a year ago, by somebody who just didn't like George Soros, and I convinced him that this simply wasn't a reason for deleting a picture. The use of TIME Magazine covers is quite common fair use. Please explain. Smallbones (talk) 14:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair use images are only allowed if they would significantly increase a reader's understanding of a subject. Text can do an adequate job of describing someone who's made the cover of Time Magazine. Plus, the article doesn't even seem to acknowledge that issue of Time Magazine. Melesse (talk) 01:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Tulip mania

Hi Smallbones, I've noticed your smart edit to Tulip mania. I've seen a number of references to Tulip mania lately in all the discussion of the housing crisis, and I thought I might try to improve the article maybe to Good or Featured status. I'm concerned, however, about how to balance the differing perspectives, basically between the varying shades of financial economists from the efficient market theorists to the behavioral economists and everyone in between... What do you think of the current structure of the article, with a "popular view" and "dissenting views" section? I tend to think it's more neutral to weave perspectives together, and stay focused on what is known. But I can also see how that's really tricky on this article (both because of the economic schools of thought and the sketchiness of the history). If you have any thoughts on how to approach this article, they'd be much appreciated. --JayHenry (talk) 02:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I've never seen that quote before--nor seen anyone tie my interest in economics, Russian and hippos into a single poem before :) The source is Jacob Marschak? Though it seems a bit absurd, my guess at a translation: "It is difficult work to calm a hippo playing Belote". That would be an interesting way to characterize a market gone wild, even if not what the quote was supposed to mean! I've read the rest of Mackay--I even toyed with writing an article on A company for carrying on an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is, but I figured I'd be tempting the fates. Mackay's stuff is so entertaining (especially for economics) that you almost hate to let the facts get in the way of a good story. --JayHenry (talk) 01:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the nice note! I started out with the assumption that Tulip mania was probably more or less a bubble, as much as such a thing as bubbles exist. But the recent, main stream literature pretty robustly debunks Mackay, more strongly than I'd anticipated. The one professor, Earl Thompson, is apparently working on a whole book about bubbles. I ought to get a copy of Kindelberger too... I do want to try for FA eventually. Far too few economics articles there. But I'm worried how the FA regulars will respond. They do a great job with literature and some other topics, but I'm fretting about reviewers who might say "Well, I don't understand what a futures contract is and the article needs to be accessible to everyone so oppose." --JayHenry (talk) 23:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
You should definitely list it as a GA you've worked on. If not for your edits I don't think I ever would have realized there were such fascinating underlying issues there in the first place! I think it went so smoothly because the reviewers Protonk and Lawrencekhoo both knew how to interpret the subject matter. By the way, I've never actually seen Garber's book. I only included his views from the papers that were published about 10 years earlier. I assume his arguments in the book are quite similar, but he might have made tweaks. Have you read it/do you think it might be worth me ordering off Amazon? (I thought it might be fun to clean up South Sea and Mississippi Companies as well.) As for tulip mania, I'd definitely like to take it to FAC, and soonish as I'm going away toward the end of the month. I agree we could lose the tulip field picture. I rather like the others though. --JayHenry (talk) 01:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

(←) Speaking of origins of central banking, I was actually thinking of Panic of 1907 as a future project, as it has all sorts of interesting characters, and led eventually to the creation of the Fed. John Law might be fun too. I'll take a look at options... I don't know any quants on Wikipedia, and I'm not one myself, so might be stuck if it goes too far on that. --JayHenry (talk) 03:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was either now or middle of September so I went ahead and nominated it. The fresh eyes will help us spot areas where it can be spruced up, and we'll likely have to make tweaks on a subject like this to begin with. Might as well go for it all at once. Fingers crossed! --JayHenry (talk) 01:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I didn't think the additions from Garber pushed the article off course at all. Noting the lack of available data, for example, is something which with everyone agrees. We'll probably be asked to retouch the lead and other parts of the article over the course of the candidacy anyways, so I find it best not to fuss too much over the details at this stage. Who knows what editors at WP:FAC will request? We'll probably want to finesse it a bit more at some point, but in my experience the best time to put that finishing polish is at the end of an FAC, rather than the beginning. --JayHenry (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I merged our ideas for the lede together. I like your wording for the final paragraph a lot better. I had moved Garber out--it's shorter now but I liked having "a voice". So we'll see what other reviewers think. And of course tweak as you see fit. Incidentally, this is why I don't try to get things too perfect before starting the nomination. I've seen so many editors who get their "baby" exactly the way they want it and then go nuts when a change is suggested. It's hard enough when you know the article's not perfect yet! --JayHenry (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Disbelief: Corporation

I simply can't believe you removed the picture. I'm stupified. The points you made are well taken. So get another image!! I think you're a creative guy. Please restore my belief in constructive Wikipedia editing. Wikidea 19:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses view of Jesus' death

Discussion between the nameless editor and me is quite bogged down. Would you please return or get someone else to intervene? Lima (talk) 03:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


Not sure if you've any interest (although I've seen you editing Soros, and I suspect you know something about hedge funds), but Wikipedia's freshest admin Protonk and I are just starting to work on Long-Term Capital Management. Talk about A company for carrying on an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is! By the way, how are Wiki's economic crisis articles doing? I can't edit current market topics, so I don't even read them to avoid the temptation of making corrections and such! --JayHenry (talk) 01:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

A career of panics and crashes? Well, I must say I enjoy these articles because I think they're an interesting way to teach people about economic concepts. The fun thing about Tulip mania, Panic of 1907 and LTCM is that they serve as an introduction to so many different aspects of economics! The other thing I like about these topics is that they're manageable, discrete items. Even a simple, general topic like unemployment would be overwhelming. Some other topics I've thought of are a "robber baron" bio like John D. Rockefeller or J.P. Morgan; maybe a corporate history--Standard Oil jumps out as a possibility since the source material is available, it's interesting, and it's defunct; Wall Street Crash of 1929 and Great Depression would be fun but epic (it looks like someone's already started on the latter); some culture-related item like The Great Gatsby or The Bonfire of the Vanities; I'd like to do an article on a recovery of some sort, but haven't found one that's really interesting enough. Not sure. Always thinking about new projects. --JayHenry (talk) 04:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


I was browsing the article on my laptop, where the image appear very large in relation to the text. I can see a need for the first image to be larger (personally I would put it inside the infobox) but the other images IMO would look better when set to the default thumb size. I would argue that extreme aspect ratio only really applies to images such as panoramas, but its personal preference really. As it is now, I think the images are distracting. Parrot of Doom (talk) 10:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Some answers about Image:BWcover92198.jpg

Hey Smallbones, I saw this pop up on the article and saw your questions about Fair Use justifications, so I figured I'd try and clear things up. We normally can use magazine/book covers to illustrate the magazine or book subject. It is largely not considered fair use to appropriate some magazine's cover image to show the perception of a third party with some very narrow exceptions. The fair use upload template tries to point those exceptions out but does a poor job. If a non-free image--the image itself--is the subject of commentary in the article, we may include it adjunct to a summary of that commentary. The best example would be Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, an article devoted to the Joe Rosenthal photo, Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima. Fair use of that non-free image is allowed because the image itself is of encyclopedic interest, not the underlying event. These are pretty restrictive constraints, but I guess that's the breaks. I can't know the mind of a potential reviewer, but I were a GA/FA reviewer I would question the use of Image:BWcover92198.jpg in the LTCM article. This doesn't mean that the fair-use regime I described is uniformally or inflexibly enforced, just that it is enforced in the main. I hope than answers the questions you had about the image. Thanks for helping to improve the LTCM article! Protonk (talk) 02:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah I think Protonk is right here... this has hit on one of my great peeves with Wikipedia so I'll share my rant on the subject. I used to work with the legal doctrine of Fair Use in the United States in some sort of professional context. According to the legal doctrine, this image is a fairly straightforward application of fair use. Unfortunately, on Wikipedia the question is not the legal doctrine of Fair Use, but rather the legalistic Wikipedia guideline WP:FAIRUSE. Protonk's explanation of WP:FAIRUSE is correct. It's unfortunate, in my opinion, that WP:FAIRUSE is radically divergent from Fair Use, but it's part of a broader trend on Wikipedia that we gradually move to the most restrictive possible interpretations of any policy (as it's the only way everyone can be satisfied--a recent example that burns a bit in my mind is the FAC for Panic of 1907, in which an editor insisted the article was not up to FA standard because a single clause of a single sentence was sourced to a JP Morgan scholar, writing about JP Morgan, in the Sunday Outlook section of the Washington Post--and thus not reliable enough!) In the case of FAIRUSE, our radically restrictive guideline is born largely from an effort to restrict fans of popular culture topics from over-illustrating their articles (which indeed they were doing, far beyond the allowances of Fair Use and WP:FAIRUSE). So it was in one sense necessary, but still unfortunate that it penalizes us on topics of substance. --JayHenry (talk) 02:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

No disagreement!

Hey Smallbones - I just took a second look at the talk page and realized I put my last comment under what you wrote and it probably belongs somewhere else, hence the appearance of disagreement where there should have been none. Sorry! Non Curat Lex (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Obama/McCain FA

I saw it and I am thrilled! Glad you liked the idea. I was pretty doubtful that it was going to happened, but I am glad it did. Remember (talk) 02:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstars! I appreciate getting them, and I am so glad that the community liked the idea of an Obama/McCain double FA. And thanks for putting together your own graphic. It looks great. Remember (talk) 15:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

On Your Thoughtful Suggestions in the Popular Use of Your Language

Thank You.

Let me simply say this, for the moment, for your delicate diplomacy:

I feel grateful to you
for your time and your trouble
in expressing your objections
to my sense for the sound of the language.

When I have more than a moment, I'll extend my appreciation more fully.

Smallbones had thoughtfully offered this constructive thought to me

A situation up with we should not put
Just checking - it's no big deal - but the correction about Holbrook Working
"which Holbrook Working was also involved with."


"with which Holbrook Working was also involved."
suggests to me (along with the spelling of your name) that you are not a native English speaker.
Most native English speakers find Churchill's "a situation up with we should not put" to be incredibly hilarious.
If you don't, please consider leaving this type of correction off your list.
Hope this doesn't seem too picky.
Smallbones (talk) 19:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


~ ~ Wortschätzer (talk) 02:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK reply

Hi Smallbones. I responded to your request at Charles Willing Byrd. I made sure to use @#$!!*%# in place of some words in case some kids are reading that page. -- Suntag 02:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I invite your comment

Here: Template talk:Obama family#Ugly. Thanks. Just tips me hat but then 〜on thought bows deeply 23:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Bernard L. Madoff

Wow. I don't think I've ever commented on somebody who has commented on so many entries!. Anyway, unless you can prove somehow that The New York Post is wrong (need I remind you, that the purpose of Wikipedia is NOT to perform original research but to simply report other media entries), I will continue to revert you. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS AGAIN. More to the point, I have no problem if you have a problem with The New York Post's article - fine - BUT DO NOT BRING IT TO THIS ENTRY - capeci??? Take up your fight with The New York Post elsewhere - DO NOT BRING IT HERE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Betathetapi545 (talkcontribs) 18:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Obviously, this entry has struck a nerve with you. Calm down.

I am going to caution you - if you continue to delete quotes from The New York Post, etc, I will have you blocked. You are welcome to continue editing at Wikipedia, but do not abuse the privileges extended to you.

It is obvious that you don't even know the subject matter - you were the one who claimed that the losses could not exceed the amount invested. May I suggest you talk to a stockbroker or perhaps your local banker.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bernard L. Madoff. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.Betathetapi545 (talk) 05:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Client list of Bernie Madoff

I see you are trying to delete names from the Bernie Madoff victim list because of double-counting. Unless you have access to Madoff's accounting records. In case you had not noticed (probably haven't read up on the subject), Madoff supposedly only had about 27 clients - all the others are clients of clients. Believe it or not, in the investment world, there is what are called "Funds of Funds" - when you (or an institution, believe it or not, such as a bank), invests with such a Fund of Fund, they are putting money with a fund which then invests in other funds, which then invest in things like Bernie's operation. Believe me - talk to a stockbroker or your local banker and he will confirm what I have just written. Therefore, it makes no sense to try to stop the "double-counting" - if you were able to successfully do that, the list at maximum would have about 27 names on it, no more.Betathetapi545 (talk) 06:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S.--Are you trying to follow me around??? It seems that way.Betathetapi545 (talk) 06:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


Thanks, Smallbones. Glad you find my contributions useful (though they are pretty small). Thanks for keeping the article neutral and fair. I guess I'll cool down, but this is just one of those articles that grabs your mind for a bit. And thanks much for the advice and for your help! Mikco (talk) 00:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your note. Yes, it looks like just the run-of-the-mill vandalism. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 04:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Thanks for the note, Smallbones! I also very much appreciate your contributions to the Madoff article. It's good to have someone else on the side of NPOV! Thanks again. Cheers, ask123 (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh my god! You have a TANSTAAFL box! That's my friend's favorite acronym! His e-mail is even tanstaafl@yahoo. I didn't think I'd ever hear or read it from anyone else! (It's kinda obscure.) Too funny! ask123 (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


Thank you as well for your work on the Madoff page. I don't think we clashed on anything (so far...). Been fun to see the page explode so quickly.Notmyrealname (talk) 01:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Body temperature, Core temperature, and Temperature examination into Normal human body temperature

I noticed your comment at the bottom of Talk:Normal human body temperature and thought you might want to comment here. I considered simply moving or quoting your earlier comment, but realized that it may have been in a different context. --Scray (talk) 11:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of File:NavyPier1915.jpg

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Touch the Clouds

As of today, the article looks absolutely fine to me. It has been greatly improved since some users have raised awareness of the article. I would like to inform you, however, that when I looked at the article history, I came across something odd: the article has been created by Mrlob who was a notorious vandal. Perhaps these people that have vandalised the article are associated to that user. Just a guess.

Oh, and I would like to contribute to the article - I really feel sorry for my failed GA passing, if there is anything I could do please ask me. (talk) 13:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC) Okay, above comment was made by me, previously. The IP above is my IP; I guess I've forgotten to log in when messaging you. I am sorry for the fact I passed an article that did not yet fit all the criteria and I sincerely hope it will now it does. Happy 2009 to ya, and please keep me informed on this matter if you can. Great Gall (talk) 15:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi - Sorry for not being able to get around to this. I've been caught up by work, so wouldn't have any time to work on it until the end of this week (when the next deadline is over). I'll use your comments, though, and see what I can do with it. :) - Bilby (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Peer Review on Hershey Creamery Company

You are currently listed at Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers as someone who might be willing to do peer reviews on company articles. I've been doing a lot of work on Hershey Creamery Company to greatly expand it from its former stub state, and I currently have it up for peer review to see what else I may need to do before sending it up for GA or FA consideration. If you have some time, I'd appreciate any feedback you may be able to offer at Wikipedia:Peer review/Hershey Creamery Company/archive1. Thanks either way. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

NRHP in Schuylkill County

The template {{GeoGroupTemplate}} provides the link to the map. As for how it acually accomplishes it, not really sure how. I know it somehow pulls any set of coordinates using the {{Coord}} templates and exports them, via the toolserver, into a usuable format for Google Maps, but I still think it involves some form of sorcery. By the way, if spelling Schuylkill was difficult, pronouncing it is even harder :-) --​​​​D.B.talkcontribs 04:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I've added name parameters to the coordinates, so you know which site corresponds which dot on the map, and moved the template to external links. I only learned to pronounce Schuylkill last year when I heard a professor use it in a sentence. For a long time I was saying "Shoal-kill" :-) --​​​​D.B.talkcontribs 18:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
From reading Geographic coordinate system: DMS is more common and is the standard for GPS, but the decimal format is better for doing mathematical calculations. I like DMS better only because when I find the coordinates for a site, I use Google Earth, which uses the DMS format. --​​​​D.B.talkcontribs 18:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Brandywine Creek PR

I will be glad to look at it, though it will take me several days. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion, I do a lot of Peer reviews and tend to think of all requests to look at an article as "peer reviews". Ruhrfisch ><>°° 05:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
What is there looks good. I have some comments / suggestions for more material and some changes, but will add them to the Brandywine Creek talk page, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Joseph Forte and Joseph S. Forte

Hi there. I've responded to your inquiry at WP:BLP/N in regards to the above. I agree, you did the right thing. That is the commonly accepted method of avoiding confusion. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Best regards. --Chasingsol(talk) 04:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Kripalu Center

Hi, I found you on the Volunteer list and I was hoping you give 5 minutes to address some concerns we have at Kripalu Center, particularly whether or not the entire economics section is encyclopedic. This is also discussed at the talk page. The entire article could some degree of attention. Thanks! --ThujaSol 18:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and a request

Thanks for signing up at Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers and for your work doing reviews. It is now just over a year since the last peer review was archived with no repsonse after 14 (or more) days, something we all can be proud of. There is a new Peer review user box to track the backlog (peer reviews at least 4 days old with no substantial response), which can be found here. To include it on your user or talk page, please add {{Wikipedia:Peer review/PRbox}} . Thanks again, and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

A request

Smallbones: I'd like to thank you for moderating the discussion on the Oanda article, and am wondering if when you have time you could address my points in its discussion page, and perhaps contribute to the article to ensure it meets acceptable Wikipedia practices? Thanks! Forexsteve (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the improvement. I was trying for something more complex; that is, two columns. You hit on a more simple improvement. I do think it's a weird article that could use some improvements. Maybe, really, I just want somebody to tell me I'm 'soooo right -- a pointless aim.

Calamitybrook (talk) 18:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again. I do indeed have a point of view, but am trying to include whatever significant material there may be, without regard to opinion. As for notability, yeah, it's relative. Not terribly significant, but much more so than each iteration of video game series -- or whatever else passes for notable in great quantities.

Calamitybrook (talk) 04:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Seth Kinman

Delighted to keep an eye on all that is Humboldt much so that I ran across the article you have put so much work into. I am not close enough to HSU or the Humboldt Room of the Humboldt County Library in Eureka to easily or quickly look into manuscripts you refer to. However, I will remember this and when I go to Eureka next, I will endeavor to see about it. I also know the premier living historian in Eureka and will ask him about it forthwith.


Norcalal 19:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


Smallbones -- This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty regarding an issue with which you were tangentially involved in February 2009 -- see Can a book in Chinese and only available in China be used as a reliable source?.

To clarify, you are not the subject of this ArbCom process, but the thread in which you participated was identified as relevant by one of the parties -- see here.

You have no obligation to do anything in this context. Thank you. --Tenmei (talk) 01:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

St. David's (Radnor) Episcopal Church

Thank you for your recent comment on my talk page., which you entitled St. David's Church (Radnor). St. David's (Radnor) Episcopal Church was the name of the article which I moved to St. David's Episcopal Church (Wayne, Pennsylvania). This is the name and locality the church itself uses. If you like, you can change it to St. David's Episcopal Church (Radnor, Pennsylvania), but I would be opposed to changing it back to a name that does not comply with church naming conventions. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Thanks for help on Brandywine Creek (Christina River)


I hope I wasn't stepping on anyone’s toes with my addition of information to the Brandywine WP page. I am new as a "Wikipedian" and not completely familiar with its inner workings. However, I do have a working familiarity with the Brandywine Basin and felt the information regarding hydrology could be more robust. I did read the entire page and it was quite obvious that the author, which I can only assume is you, possesses a wonderful knowledge of the human history associated with the basin. As a geologist, I am interested in providing a thorough description of the basin’s current hydrologic and geologic conditions, along with the deep-time geologic history of the basin. It seems to me that a proper description of the Brandywine’s natural history will strengthen any description of its anthropogenic history. Everyone from the Lenape to the Wyeths, and even Hollywood (Marley and Me [2008]), have utilized this wonderful region of Pennsylvania. I have been published in certain geologic journals and have presented a good deal of my work, and all have been peer-reviewed. My intention is to strengthen this article to the best of my knowledge and ability. At any rate, thank you for the message and I certainly appreciate any advice of seasoned “Wikipedians.” —Preceding Michael E. Degnan, Jr. 18:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC) comment added by Michael E. Degnan, Jr. 18:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC) (talkcontribs)

Brandywine Valley vs. Christina Basin/Watershed


I noticed that you decided to go with "Brandywine Valley" to describe the course of the river, PA and DE towns included in the basin's catchment and so forth. Since you have obviously put much effort into this article, as well as others, I will simply advise you that defining the entire geographic region in this article as being part of the "Brandywine Valley" is inaccurate. The Brandywine River and its contributing valley, or watershed, is a sub-basin of the Christina Basin. As is the White Clay Creek, which drains the Avondale locale, and the Red Clay Creek, which conveys flow from area such as Kennett Square. Neither the Red Clay Creek or White Clay Creek confluence with the Brandywine River, rather they confluence with the Christina River. While this distinction may not be important in the historical context of the Brandywine Valley, it leads to geographically and hydrologically inaccurate descriptions. If you wish I can develop some maps of basin deliniations in ArcGIS that you can place in the article.--Michael E. Degnan, Jr. 06:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Danny Pang (financier)

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Pled or Pleaded?

Lawyers use pleaded. I was corrected. You should verify and revert back. It is pleaded on every criminal page.

Furtive admirer (talk) 10:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Jim Rogers

I know it has been a couple days since you posted your note at Talk:Jim_Rogers, but I replied to it today.

You are mixing up two different Jim Rogers. The Soros/Quantum Fund/Investment Biker/billionaire is not the Sunbelt Communications one, or the Duke Power one, and he was not born in Wetumpka. This one was born in Baltimore, Maryland.

Just thought you might like to know...> Best O Fortuna (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Photos to upload: Arthur Nadel

SB: Would you be a great guy and assist me in uploading 2 pix of Arthur Nadel with permission to share from the internet? one is a prison photo. I forgot how.

Then, after the task is completed, will you send me a crash course so i can refer to it?

also, what is wiki policy on paid pr people trying to twist the facts by deleting sourced documents including court documents on behalf of their client? she has been warned several time to stop reverting. (not by me)

thanx much. FA

Furtive admirer (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

thanx for the upload!! did you save it on your pc first and then copy it on to the upload page? i could not convert it
to jpg. how does one do that? i still need a step by step primer if i have to convert the format. that's my problem.
now, since that was successful, i did want to learn to do it myself, but since we are bother working on madoff, i have found 2 photos of: Carl J. Shapiro on p. 1., and his wife and his daughter, Ellen, and son-in law Robert Jaffe on p. 6. they are in pdf. form. will you do the honors again, please?
i did post it on the talk page for shapiro several weeks ago, but no rsvp. Jaffe's should be on the shapiro page and on the Cohmad Securities page and on the Participants in the Madoff investment scandal Page.
thanx. FA
Furtive admirer (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

What is Canny Pang? please redirect. cannot find it or is it a writer?

Can you kindly upload the Carl J. Shapiro family photos on the above website? thanx. Furtive admirer (talk) 17:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Furtive admirer (talk) 01:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Seth Kinman


I'm a rookie when it comes to Wiki, so I hope this message gets to you. The source for the Kinman article is:


The Procession :EIGHT GRAND DIVISIONS THE SPECTATORS. THE START. THE MILITARY DIVISION. THE FUNERAL CAR. THE GUARD OF HONOR, THE DOG MOURNER. THE CIVILIAN PROCESSION. DETAILS AS TO CIVILIANS. FOREIGN UNIFORMS. A VIOLATION OF RULE. THE CALIFORNIA HUNTER. NATIONALITIES. THE END.. (1865, April 26). New York Times (1857-Current file),p. 1. Retrieved May 21, 2009, from ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2005) database. (Document ID: 88155017).

Also, you should know that I just completed processing the Genzoli Collection at Humboldt State which includes many records and articles relating to Kinman including the only extant copies of Kinman's memoirs.

--HumCoArchivist (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I recall your earlier request and I am, in my heart, interested in helping. However, I am overwhelmed with responsibility outside the encyclopedia and will not have time to assist you in any way for the time being. User:Norcalal 20:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

By the way

I like your thoughts on "truth" on your user page. -Pete (talk) 06:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Dante's Inferno

just thought you'd like to see that Dante's Divine Comedy was a metaphor in the victim impact statements at the Bernard Madoff sentencing: "They fought through tears, connected Mr. Madoff to villains from Dante’s Inferno, spoke of their feelings of betrayal and mistrust, and described how their families had lost money that would have gone to caring for disabled relatives."[4]

Furtive admirer (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

File:2BirdsSICover.jpg listed for deletion

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File:BWcover92198.jpg listed for deletion

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Coordinates in city articles

I removed the geolinks template you recently placed in Rockville, Maryland.[5] The WP:USCITY#Geography guideline indicates that the coordinate should appear once, in the infobox. JonHarder talk 20:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Spreads coming down

Hey smallbones, things are gradually returning to normal. The prospects of a backslash-shaped death plunge recession have gone away. I'm finding myself with more free time and even the chance of vacation on the horizon. Hard to believe it's been a year since started working on the Panic of 1907[6]. Turns out it's more fun to read about a financial crisis than to live through one. I'd still like to go back and finish LTCM at some point, and it was fun to work on articles like the Panic and Tulip mania which ended up being prescient. Hmm... what would be prescient now? An article about sovereign default? Hyperinflation? Dead-cat bounces? Just whipped up a little article on Recession shapes... What's your forecast? --JayHenry (talk) 01:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I was excited to see one of the smartest economists I read link to our work on his blog recently.[7] Pretty cool, huh? --JayHenry (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
PPS, I recently started an article on the classic (if dubious) Magazine cover indicator. Anything to add, or any ideas where to link to it? --JayHenry (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
PPPS, actually, I'm thinking about running List of recessions in the United States through WP:FLC once I've had a chance to clean it up more. Any thoughts on that one? Could be a good foundation for maybe taking something like Recession to FAC. --JayHenry (talk) 02:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Financial astrology

Hi. Can I ask what you actually did to the article? You marked your edit as a "revert", but it came out a different size than any of the recent versions, so I presume you didn't use the "Undo" button. I'd rather not have to look through a bunch of versions to figure this out… (The revert was obviously justified.) Regards, looie496 (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Chicagoland HOF

The article might not be ready for nomination at WP:FLC in its current state, but you could move it to mainspace without any WP:AFD worries.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

FYI, the Chicago Sun-Times has been writing a series of articles about great athletes from Chicago. So far, they've profiled Otto Graham, Lou Boudreau, Isiah Thomas, Chris Chelios, Kirby Puckett, Dan Issel, Ray Nitschke, Mark Aguirre, Quinn Buckner, Mike Conley, Johnny Weissmuller, Dwyane Wade, Freddie Lindstrom, Candace Parker, Cazzie Russell, Alex Agase, George Connor, John Lattner, John Kinsella, Buddy Young, Leo Nomellini, and Phil Cavarretta. (If you'd like me to track any of those articles down, just let me know!) Zagalejo^^^ 23:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to fill in some of the slots during the week. This seems like it could be a fun project. :) Zagalejo^^^ 04:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:Paid editing

Howdy, thanks for the note. I did see that it had been about a week since the last person had edited the page. I do think it is important to have a clear policy. It is unfortunately quite easy to find plenty of requests for Wikipedia editors to edit. Leaving things ambiguous is just an invitation to have people continue, denying in their own minds that the sort of editing would garner a block if discovered. I would be happy to continue the conversation on that talk page. My goal would be to keep the conversation focused on what the best way to convey the de facto policy, rather than get into issues of governance. If it is grandfathered in policy which no one had bothered to write down, I suggest we write it down. Then at least editors will know if they are breaking the rules and could be blocked. Thanks! --TeaDrinker (talk) 03:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Richard Leroy Walters and cemetery

Sorry, but I know nothing about Phoenix. I've merely learned a lot about Wikipedia articles on cemeteries, and I surmised that the military cemetery in Phoenix was probably a national cemetery -- and therefore probably had an article. Maybe a Phoenix expert will turn up... --Orlady (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

BLP mugshots edit summary

Although I'm not involved in the conflict, I think your edit summary here ("See BLP discussion on mugshots") is not especially illuminating. I found a discussion at the BLP talk page about mugshots; the problem is that it's humongous, and after ten minutes of reading and then glancing at the rest, I have yet to find any part of it that discusses mug shot captions or why you removed the caption at the Madoff article. I simply wanted to suggest that in the future, a more detailed explanation or direction in the edit summary might be more constructive. Propaniac (talk) 14:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes that discussion is completely out of control. I'll just say I asked them to clarify whether a mugshot of Madoff would be ok. most people agreed it woul, but a couple said the caption was a possible problem - there's no need to emphasize that it is a mugshot which could be seen as degrading. The source info is in the image file. I don't feel one way or the other about the caption, do what you please as long as it's not something like "Look at this sucker getting what he deserves". Smallbones (talk) 16:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Appreciate your weighing in on the never-ending "ethnicity" soap opera. If you're positive that there is a BLP issue on the mugshot or caption please speak up, and if necessary either the caption or the photo itself can be taken out. But I really have my doubts on that. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
No, I'm not positive about the BLP change to the caption, but thought to head off any chance of getting rid of the only photo by getting rid of what might be a minor irritant. I'll have to see what the reaction to the ethnicity comment was. Smallbones (talk) 21:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
If you think it's an issue, then take out the caption. I don't feel that strongly about it. As for the ethnicity issue, there will probably be silence for a while and then somebody will drop by in a few weeks and wave the bloody shirt again.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I was about to ask the same question and Propaniac beat me to it. I don't see anything in the BLP/N discussion to justify removing the neutral caption identifying where the photo was taken. Since this person is serving 150 years in prison, I fail to see how either the caption or photo is problematic. Can you elaborate on your rationale please?
On another subject, there has been, again, a discussion on the whole "ethnicity" stuff particularly concerning your edit, and I'm sure your input would be welcome on that point. (and sorry, I made this post a "minor edit" by mistake)--JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk for Paid editing alternative text

At WT:Paid editing/Alternative text, there is some confusion about which talk page should be used. I believe that it is best (and correct practice) if discussion about "Alternative text" takes place on its talk page. If you now agree, you might want to delete your comment. Also, you will notice my new comment on that page. Johnuniq (talk) 01:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Another suggestion

The talk at WP:Paid is not helping – it should stop (which is why I'm posting here). It was my comment on Jimbo's talk page that caused him to respond as he did, and I assure you that his comment concerned vetoing any policy with those hopeless words about an admin receiving payment. He was not talking about the whole of WP:Paid. Also, there is no deadline, so suggestions about a radical change in two days will not be supported by third parties. We need to patiently work at the alternative text until it is reasonable (as I mentioned on its talk page, it is nowhere near reasonable at the moment). Then we can discuss the next step. Johnuniq (talk) 02:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Had to revert your rather bolshy edit. Nothing personal. Crafty (talk) 14:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Please see: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Sister_Kitty_Catalyst_O.C.P..2C_DJ_Pusspuss.2C_Benjamin_Holman.2C_and_an_editor_who_shall_remain_nameless he is at 3rr now. Ikip (talk) 15:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
He continues to make his assumptions on the ANI, and I continue to revert them. Ikip (talk) 16:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

It looks like you did a cut-and-paste to swap the pages. I have no idea whether something more formal would be desirable, so I left a message for SlimVirgin to get an opinion. I am posting here to reduce clutter on the article talk page in case the pages are swapped by moving. I may be totally wrong in my alarmist wondering, but I want to avoid unnecessary trouble that might arise if some other technique should be used. I'll watch here in case you want to reply, but perhaps we might just see what happens next. Johnuniq (talk) 02:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for all your hard work. I apologize for being absent for a bit. It happened that I moved my apartment and school started, which started taking a good deal more time than I had anticipated. Things are indeed moving right along. I'm still playing catch-up a bit, but if there's anything that you think needs my attention don't hesitate to drop me a line. Best, --TeaDrinker (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice

I'm surprised at how he weaves the WP:PAID dispute into that narrative—as if Wikipedia Review were working at behest of Will Beback (perhaps he doesn't realize how ludicrous that proposition is).

Unraveling Peter Damian's nomination and posts on WR does not lead back to the editors at WP:PAID. By coincidence, his refusal to disclaim COI has colored both proceedings, but nothing I've seen suggests any conspiracy linking them (and I'm pretty tuned in on this end). Cool Hand Luke 19:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

You're not doing a very good job of justifying your reinsertion of the conflict of interest tags. Saying something is glowing or reads like an advert doesn't exactly define problems very well. Specificity is needed to address your concerns, otherwise it just looks like a continuation of the animosity between yourself and Benji from the paid editors dispute. AniMatedraw 02:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Other than proving your point that Benjiboi has a conflict of interest, please cite in specific terms how you feel the articles you insist on tagging need improvement. AniMatedraw 22:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Brandywine Creek=

You wrote: "Good work on Newport, Delaware. A couple more citations would make it great work! Have you ever looked at Brandywine Creek (Christina River). I keep on meaning to go there and finish it up! Thanks. Smallbones (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)"

I'll take a look at it soon and see what I can do.Wkharrisjr (talk) 22:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Deletion in Bernie Madoff Talk Page

What you deleted on the talk page did not strike me as a personal attack. It was just a request that a better picture be inserted into the article. Also, it was on the talk page. I do not believe it is proper to delete other editors talk entries. I reversed your deletion on that bases.16:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

You assume that the editor was comparing Hitler to Madoff. That is hardly clear assuming good faith which is why I pointed this out in my talk entry.Mysteryquest (talk)
Okay, I see your point, the picture could be construed as comparing Hitler to Madoff, even if its on the talk page. I put back in the talk entry minus the picture and comparison to Hitler, assuming the editor has a bonafide issue with the picture.Mysteryquest (talk) 16:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Room to edit, have backed off

Thanks for the request, have done so. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't looked at the museum's commons category since the initial upload and am quite thrilled with the diversity. By the way, another train on the NRHP, 3936 and 3937, is finished. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Re Wissahickon Creek

Thanks - you might want to contact Editorofthewiki too - see User_talk:Ruhrfisch#Plunketts_Creek. I know of the Wissahickon as it flows through some state parks. Will add it to my ever growing list. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Ridley Creek

Yeah, I'd be happy to work with you on it. Problem is, I don't know which branch we should use as the main branch, and therefore how long it is. ~EDDY (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 00:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I put all the data I had on the Ridley Creek talk page - hope it helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Photo request?

Next time you're out photographing NRHP sites in Chester County, could you try for the North Warwick Historic and Archeological District? It consists of Pennsylvania Route 345 and Harmonyville, Bethesda, Hopewell, Piersol, Trythall, and Northside Roads, in Warwick Township near Hopewell Furnace NHS; coords are 40°11′18″N 75°46′8″W / 40.18833°N 75.76889°W / 40.18833; -75.76889. Nyttend (talk) 05:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I well understand transportation difficulties — last time that I was out hunting places in an area with lots of listings, I was on foot in well-below-freezing weather, and I got lots fewer sites (and many photos are blurry, due to my semi-numb fingers!) than I would have in better conditions. I'm just curious to see what the North Warwick district is like, since (like Cope's Bridge that you just photographed) it's officially address-restricted. I have to say that I love File:Edward Brinton House.JPG — wonderful color, especially for December! Combine that with a great angle for the photo, and it's quite a nice shot. And also, good job with File:East Fallowfield Bridge.JPG in getting down to the stream level for the photo. Yesterday (well, actually two days ago, since it's Wednesday now) I was a couple counties south of home, getting photos at a couple of locations, and this is the closest I could get to the stream level, due to a slippery and snow-covered slope. Nyttend (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Also — you make me drool with your 1000 listings statement. There are only 96 listings between my county and all five bordering counties, and most of the ones remaining to photograph are far enough away that it will likely be some weeks before I can go out and get any more of them. My hometown wasn't even settled until circa 1850, so "old" here is nothing to "old" where you are. Can you guess why I loved being in Beaver County, where "old" is at least the very late 18th century? Nyttend (talk) 06:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

War Eagle Mill vs the Bridge

WOW! That page is looking Awesome! Thanks tremendously for your generous help. As far as the bridge being more notable because of it's Historic Register status...quite honestly I don't really think the redirect works in this instance because most folks are more familiar with the Mill and the Fair as tens of thousands of folks visit the mill and fairs each year. My guess would be that most people searching Wikipedia would be looking for info on the Mill, not nessiarly the bridge. I bet there are lots of local school kids that are required to do reports on it after their field trips every year! Please don't get me wrong, the bridge is fantastic, and I see you really like bridges ( :-D ) but I think that the Mill and the fair are a popular enough landmarks in the state of Arkansas to warent their own page. The Mill is the number one attraction in Rogers, AR according to Trip Advisor. If you might agree, now there is the question of the bridge having its own page, or having it redirect to the Mill page... I will leave that debate up to your expert opinion. Oh and if you do think the Mill can stand alone, can you switch it back as I don't know how ;-) Thanks again for helping out so many entrees (including mine) and making Wikipedia such a great place for clean, supervised, information sharing!Jessicashabatura (talk) 03:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I can try to get more print info on the Mill history and the fair. I think that should be pretty easy to dig up. But what do you think about changing the redirect for the Mill to the bridge. I think it is odd to have the mill be under the title of the bridge when the mill has more history, notoriety and historical impact. What do you think? Jessicashabatura (talk) 14:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


I have to say, when I saw File:Owensboro2ndStAnn.JPG, I began to think "Smallbones is expanding!"  :-) Nyttend (talk) 05:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Last summer's vacation - cleaning out my files. Also been on the road a bit this week for various reasons. Just disagreed with you a bit on the Project talk page. As usual when things get hairy "it's time for bed". Smallbones (talk) 05:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
By the way, with File:Max Keil Building712.JPG — you can get the incorrect name issue fixed easily. Just upload the file under the name that you want and add {{bad name|Braunstein's Building.jpg}}, or whatever name you want to use, to the image with the wrong name. People often place the template on the image with the correct name, so keeping the description you're currently using, including the note about the name being wrong, will make it easier for the deleting admin to see that you've placed the template on the image with the wrong name. Nyttend (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Chester County

I always noted the links when I downloaded them (primarily for referencing purposes), so I have all that I downloaded. If there's a site that's not on the list, it's one that didn't have a form online. Actually, I think it will work better to give it to you in a user subpage; see User:Smallbones/Chester County. Nyttend (talk) 15:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

By the way, many sites have multiple forms; these I've designated with a number following the name of the site. If you find that any of these forms have gone down, email me and I'll reply with the file attached. Nyttend (talk) 15:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
All I can say is to check the list of sites for those counties. I've worked with the lists for 37 different states, but Illinois isn't one of them, so (1) I don't know what those lists are like, and (2) I don't have any photo requests. Nyttend (talk) 16:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


And so, too, does Arabic, although I can't remember them right now. Daniel Case (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

NRHP in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania

I do have the links and PDFs to the locomotives and rolling stock at Railroad Museum, but I'll do one better. All of the listings where a part of the MPS Pennsylvania Railroad Rolling Stock TR. All of the individual PDFs I downloaded from ARCH are essentially that, but cut into a myriad of pieces for each listing. I can still provide the individual links, if need be, but I find having access to the full document is easier.

I'll be somewhat envious if and when you go to the Railroad Museum :-) I also happen to know of some locomotives there that aren't on the NRHP, but still need some photos. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 17:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Off the top of my head: look for the GG1's 4800 and 4935. The museum also has a bunch of locomotives outside, behind the museum (4800 is among them). T'll see what what I can find about the Pioneer. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 18:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Nice! Have you thought of writing article on the Pioneer? It seems like there would plenty of material on it. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 22:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
First thing I thought. But I'm getting a bit booked, and maybe I don't always follow through on things as much as I should. Also see Pioneer (locomotive). Smallbones (talk) 22:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
I know the feeling, I've got material for articles to write but got distracted and moved on to other subjects. Two potential options to disambig the Pioneer locomotives would be to move the current Pioneer article to "Pioneer (G&CU locomotive)" and create "Pioneer (CVRR locomotive) or go with "Pioneer (1837 locomotive)" and "Pioneer (1851 locomotive)". ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 18:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Stargazers' Stone

Sorry to take so long to do this, but a few quick notes:

  • Try to bring some variety into your sentences. The last six sentences of the intro all begin with "the". It looks sort of disconnected, like articles where different people add a sentence here or there. You can make it flow better.
  • Use {{convert}} to automatically add metric equivalents to all the English ones you have. Daniel Case (talk) 04:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Purdue State Bank

I frequently get into trouble (not serious trouble) for being "too creative" on wikipedia. I like the way that the stepdown sized pictures look, plus they seem to fit better into the divisions that already exist in the article. However I feel no particular attachment to the way that I formated the page and you should feel free to make any improvement that you feel would help the page. My real issue was to get the pictures up ASAP. They are not particularly new, I did most of the Louis Sullivan pilgrimages years, even decades ago but . . . "ask and ye shall receive" and there they are. Have at it. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


I'll check it out, but I think most of the people spoke, not wrote, the word. --Againme (talk) 18:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. Two revertions. Thanks. --Againme (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Smallbones (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Arch Street Presbyterian Church

See Clarence E. Macartney. Nyttend (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Smallbones (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Francis M. Drexel School

Thanks for posting the note about the demolition. Question on your camera — you say that the picture was taken on the morning of the 15th, but the EXIF data says 2:44 PM on the 14th. Have you set the date wrongly, or was "15th" a typo? Nyttend (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking I was 12 hours behind, but something else has happened (batteries?). It was about 8am today, Philly time, Feb. 15th. For comparison, the Arch Street photo was about noon on Valentines day, Sunday the 14th. Smallbones (talk) 01:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Aha, that can always be a problem. See this image; its EXIF data says that it was taken in May 2008, but I took and uploaded it more than a year before that time :-) By the way, see Francis M. Drexel School, which I wrote after leaving the first comment. Could you try to find any sources about its demolition? I'm using one of your pictures as a source (a photo of equipment knocking down walls is good evidence that it's being destroyed!), but I'd rather a print or online news source. Thanks again! Nyttend (talk) 02:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Good article - please send it to DYK. There's lots of info at Francis M. Drexel School. That's LOTS of info. and a demolition photostream. Smallbones (talk) 04:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Length is 1,640 characters, so it's long enough for DYK; it was previously just 1,639, but then someone changed "Philadelphi" to "Philadelphia" :-) Why don't you nominate it? Going for DYK was your idea, so you might as well get credit for nominating. I'm hesitant, however, to use the website, since (1) I don't know who runs it, and (2) it doesn't seem like a WP:RS. Nyttend (talk) 05:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the expansion and for the nomination! I've added one of your photos to the nomination. Nyttend (talk) 02:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, too, for removing the extra header; since there's a section for the photo included in the add-a-nomination template, I've never before added a photo after the nomination was created, so I copy/pasted from another nomination and clearly failed to remove some of that nomination. Nyttend (talk) 02:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Smallbones (talk) 02:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. Someone has left a comment on your hook. Nyttend (talk) 04:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Another comment has been added, asking for a complete rewrite of the hook. Nyttend (talk) 02:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Don't know if you've noticed, but the Drexel School is now in the prep area; it should be at DYK this weekend. Nyttend (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


Sorry that I never got back to you before now on the Drinker House photo.

You can see its report from the CRGIS — if this link doesn't work, go to, select "Ask ReGIS", and search for properties with a historic name of "Drinker" in Philadelphia (without specifying NRHP status); this should give you information about the Edward Drinker Cope House, Drinker's Court, and the John Drinker House. Unfortunately, it's not been nominated to the Register, so there's no nomination form, but it does say that the house was built in 1765. Finally, you can find the HABS photos of the house at

The nomination form for Drinker's Court indicates that it's exclusively the two buildings on Delancey St. Apparently the buildings were built by the same guy in the same year, but they aren't included in the HD. Overall, I'd guess that the owner misunderstood what had happened (perhaps thinking that it was part of the HD?) and placed the plaque; it's private individuals, not the NPS, who place these plaques. Nyttend (talk) 23:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

PR move

Hi Smallbones, I moved your comments at the PR to Wikipedia:Peer_review/Shakespeare_authorship_question/archive1 - two PRs on the same article were opened in less than an hour, so I deleted the second one (where you originally commented) and moved your comments to the first one. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


How nice. Thanks very much :-) What would you think of adding this photo to Barnstar? Nyttend (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm definitely not against listing it there. My only reservation is that some folks might think awarding 17 barnstars at a time might be a bit over the top (not in your case of course). Barnstar inflation and all that. Perhaps if it was made clear that it's for NRHPs, where multiple barnstars should be the norm :-). Smallbones (talk) 23:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
No, I meant the article on barnstars, not the idea of Wikipedia barnstars. I have to say: when I saw your Ben Franklin Hotel picture, I was very surprised by its similarity to another hotel — check out this picture of the NRHP-listed William Penn Hotel in downtown Pittsburgh. Nyttend (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
When I first started using CRGIS, I had to download something (can't remember what it was) from the website before it would work properly. I'm on a Windows computer, so perhaps your computer is the problem. Nyttend (talk) 22:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
To me, the Hotel Syracuse also looks similar, at least it would from the left side with the 3 wings. Seems like a pretty standard hotel design, having three big wings. Maybe works well with floor layouts having central elevators? I wonder if there is an architectural term, like an "E-pattern" design. --doncram (talk) 20:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

College of Physicians of Philadelphia

I noticed your adding pic for College of Physicians of Philadelphia to the old sandbox of 2007-then-pending NHL nominations, in this edit. Would you like to work together to dvelop the draft at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NHLsandbox6 (about same length as The College of Physicians of Philadelphia, but with a good reference), and put up for DYK? Certainly there is plenty of info available for it. There's stuff i could add to the sandbox. Or if you want move whatever material to the mainspace article, and develop there. --doncram (talk) 17:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I added NHLSUM reference to the sandbox version. No easy way to renumber one of the lists. Actually i know that User:Sanfranman does the renumbering in an Excel spreadsheet, but i never figured that out; i do it manually. The pic of plaque is nice to have; i dunno about using the pic itself in the article (there even could be copyright issues), but quoting lengthily from the plaque quote, perhaps in entirety, is fine AFAIK. --doncram (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Good about the list-articles. Don't sweat the overall counts any further--there are in fact others (Nyttend and esp. Sanfranman59) who focus on getting the counts updated, and no further notice to them is needed. About your comment that "The 'The' in the article name doesn't look right to me", I agree. I suggest just moving the mainspace article to drop "The", and i guess not to include the word "Building" either, but am okay either way about latter. Note the NRHP name doesn't have the "The". It is just the NHL program name with the "The" (however that means it should show that way in the List of NHLs in Philly list article and in the infobox, to be consistent. I can't do real editing of the draft article now, will return later to try to add to whatever you develop. --doncram (talk) 19:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Great. Smallbones (talk) 19:47, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I don't work with recent listings; it's just that I watch all the lists in the majority of the states and thus notice Sanfranman's work, and I clean up any mistakes that he makes. And no, you didn't make any new work for me :-) I had a lot of work, but that was because many names were messed up on the list of NHLs in Philadelphia — it was work that should have been done a long time ago. Nyttend (talk) 14:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
All you have to do is to move "The College" to "College"; it's not a move that requires an admin's help. Nomination forms for NHLs are always longer, by the way: NHLs are much more significant than the average NRHP listing, so they have a much higher standard for the forms. Nyttend (talk) 14:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
No, no complaints about HABS; I just wonder, though, why you'd upload pictures of sites you could photograph yourself. Color is better than black-and-white :-) However, I'd advise you to make at least one change — in the source line, instead of giving the URL for the image that you're uploading, it would probably be better to link to the HABS/HAER record, as I've done with File:Knabb-Bieber Mill.jpg. This allows someone to access the different sizes of the image and the caption page(s), as well as enabling them to look at other images and related data. Nyttend (talk) 22:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

[unindent] Hmm, does sound interesting. You'll definitely have an interesting time writing the article! I encountered somewhat of a similar situation when I wrote Lake Ridge Island Mounds — the site was listed in 1974 as an HD, but some time after they were listed, one was excavated and found not to be a mound at all; it appears that all of them except one have been removed, since there's no point in preserving natural little hills that are in the way of putting in convenient driveways. I learned everything about the post-listing excavations by talking with a personal acquaintance, so it would have been OR to include that; therefore, I did my best to say "this is what was thought in 1974". This isn't the only NHL misidentification; read Florence Mills House for an interesting example of an NHL error. Nyttend (talk) 23:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Here are two different links: the first is the CRGIS, and the second is from ARCH, whose servers are (at least temporarily) still working. I expect that the ARCH should be downloadable, but it can't hurt to try the CRGIS link; perhaps it will let you attempt to download since you're bringing it up in a new window. CRGIS and ARCH. Nyttend (talk) 03:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Bucks County

First off — for any ARCH questions, see User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania forms. You want to ask Pubdog for help. For the "Pugh building", do you mean the Pugh Dungan House? Click for photo, nomination form, and map. The odd situation with the three NHLs grouped as one isn't unique, by the way: see Norris, Madison, and Fishing Bridge Museums in Wyoming, an NHL composed of two NRHP-listed buildings and one other, or Camden Expedition Sites in Arkansas, an NHL composed of either eight or nine sites (the National Park Service seems to contradict itself here!) that are all NRHP-listed. Anything else I can do for you? Nyttend (talk) 14:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Bucks County Request

Bucks County, PA request: Sorry, but I could not find documents for two properties. I went through what I have twice, opening up each document.--Pubdog (talk) 11:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Property Arch Link 1 Arch Link 2
Doylestown Historic District
Pugh Dungan House No docs
Fordhook Farm
Oscar Hammerstein II Farm
Shaw Historic District
Tabor Home for Needy and Destitute Children
Fretz Farm No docs
See the section above for Pugh Duncan. CRGIS has five photos (1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) for Fretz, but no nomination form. Nyttend (talk) 16:01, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
You can write the NRHP and they will send you a copy of the nomination form if it is not available elsewhere (for free - your tax dollars at work). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania

Wonderful...You've got some great looking photos, there. I should be able to write separate, DYK-worthy articles for most of the individual locomotives, however, an all-around rolling stock article might be doable (similar to List of preserved Southern Pacific Railroad rolling stock).

PS: I've already started work on an article for #460. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 20:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for no reply until now; I wasn't sure what to say, but if Niagara's already getting going, you can't argue with that. Nyttend (talk) 14:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, PRR 460 is up. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 23:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I ran across the video while browsing Youtube awhile ago and was reminded of it while writing the article, also it shows up if you search "lindbergh engine" on Google. I think there might be an April Fools DYK in there, but I'm not sure whether it's humorous enough. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 01:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Not on the NRHP, but I was able a write a short article for the little, Hawaiian locomotive you photographed. Sorry if these notes are getting annoying. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 17:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Wonderful, keep up the good work, and don't worry about annoying me. The engine and its history is amazing, the article very good, the DYK hook wonderful, and last, but not least, I like the photograph :)
I liked taking photos of trains so much, I've been wondering about taking a trip to the B&O Museum in Baltimore. But no NRHPs there that I can find, the article seems pretty well illustrated, and the only locomotive I know to snap is the Pioneer. Any suggestions? Smallbones (talk) 21:31, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
A GG1, PRR 4876, I believe is sitting outside the museum, somewhere... ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I decided to flip the photos. Slightly out of focus, but the head-on view still looks good for an infobox. No problem about the tree, I assume it's going to be trimmed or removed, so hopefully it'll be an uneventful few days. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 02:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── PRR 520 is up. You're welcome to tweak the hook (I'm not entirely pleased with it, but it's the best I could come up with, without being misleading). ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 18:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Freight train, the PRR Niagara, comin' through right on schedule! Keep it going as long as you can - I'm just sitting back, watching in awe. The hook looks OK to me, I've written much worse. Smallbones (talk) 19:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Yet another... Also, I see you got a photo of the Becuna (submarines were so tiny way back when) :-) ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 02:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I visited the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in August, and I quite enjoyed it. They have a notice posted that photographs must be limited to personal use, but I have no idea how serious they are about that statement. I did take a good picture of a GG1 there, but I have not uploaded any photos from there, or from the Strasburg Railroad across the street. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Priestley's other house

Preistly Strasburg.JPG

Thanks - I never thought JP had television! I seem to recall that he stayed in the Philadelphia / Germantown area initially, had not heard of this domicile. Agree it would need a reliable source to include on Wiki. I like trains and bridges, so that's my kind of list! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

In what way does the uneven roofline suggest to you that it's an old house? Nyttend (talk) 12:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It was obviously built in sections at different times, and has settled unevenly. The roof beams may have sagged or warped, though to me it looks a bit humpbacked, probably caused by the garage wall not settling as much. Smallbones (talk) 12:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Taking a look at the picture - the chimney probably marks the dividing point between the old house and modern garage. There is warping above the main door. Also there is a local historical society plaque (not legible) just below the 119 by the door. Smallbones (talk) 12:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks; I've never paid attention to that kind of thing before, so I didn't know what to look for. As far as I know, the only log cabins around here are (1) one that's still preserved in a park in my county seat, and (2) one that's owned by some people that used to attend my church; it's been so heavily modified that they didn't know that it was a log cabin until they started remodelling the interior some years ago. Nyttend (talk) 13:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Takes Philadelphia 2

Are you free to participate? Seems like you've taken a lot of pictures already. --Mblumber (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


You're invited to the
Wiki Takes Philadelphia
April 11, 2010

Time: 12 pm
Location: Drexel Quad (33rd and Market)
University City, Philadelphia

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Wikipedia Takes Philadelphia is a photo scavenger hunt and free content photography contest to be held all around Philadelphia aimed at illustrating Wikipedia articles.

Scheduled for Sunday, April 11, 2010, the check-in location will be at the Drexel University quad (between Chestnut and Market, 33rd and 32nd) at noon, and the ending party and photo uploading (location to be announced) will be at 6 PM. To reach the Drexel quad, walk south from Market Street at 32nd Street into the campus.

I appreciate the invitation, and would love to meet you and the others, but I have family commitments. I hope it goes wonderfully. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The list

Thanks for all your contributions! Please make sure to link to the articles that need the pictures. I noted that many of these targets don't have articles, so we might want to create stubs before the event so that the pictures will have a home. --Mblumber (talk) 04:48, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

They all are needed at National Register of Historic Places listings in Center City, Philadelphia or a similar page. I'll try to get stubs or better for all the Center City request before 4/11. Smallbones (talk) 05:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The photos you've been taking are incredibly helpful. Thank you for posting them. BoringHistoryGuy

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New Castle County NRHP listings

Hi, got ur note on this subject. It's probably good that National Register of Historic Places listings in Wilmington, Delaware has been split from the rest of National Register of Historic Places listings in New Castle County, Delaware. I see it was split back in 2006. Having myself split some other city lists (including dividing Baltimore's), I expect there are errors in the location of some properties in the list-articles. NRIS info (the basis of our NRHP list-tables) was no doubt used in dividing Wilmington out. NRIS is very accurate in terms of county identifiers, but the town/city item just means "in or near". The only way to clean that up is for someone to have an official city map and to check the linked google/bing maps. Google, Bing and mapquest (the latter is good for county boundaries) don't have city boundaries, AFAIK. There's an official map of Wilmington's neighborhoods here, from the city -- it looks good enough to use for city boundaries although it only shows approximate locations of the neighborhoods. Glancing at Google map for the New Castle County list-article, offhand, it looks like the location of coords for Liston Range Front Lighthouse put it inside the Wilmington city limits, so its row should probably be moved. Also multiple items in the Wilmington list appear to be located outside the city boundaries, so should be moved the other way. I'm not too psyched to delve into this myself, but i could help some if/when you want, i think u suggested in a few weeks. --doncram (talk) 20:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I just realised that I need to run, so I'll give input later this evening when I get a chance to examine the situation better. Nyttend (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure the city line is a meaningful boundary here. Delaware has city/town/village limits at the center of a community surrounded by large areas in the counties that use the same address and where people generally consider themselves part of that community. (And more people live in unincorporated Wilmington, New Castle and Newark than do in those respective city limits.) This is in marked contrast to states with a township system.
That being said, I notice one of the items on the Wilmington list (Village of Arden) is actually the name of a different municipality which is indisputably wrong.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
If the consensus doesn't go my way, I don't want to be a jerk and make people do extra work though. Here are the 22 sites I identified as being outside of the city limits. Thanks for putting the feedback request on my talk page, btw. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Heart of a Dog

Who could resist? just as soon as I get a bit of time to call my own. Great pic! HeartofaDog (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Detroit, Chattanooga, what's next?

Thanks! To be honest, I'm taking these pix mostly for my own self, as it's fun to sort through the historically significant places in a city to get a sense of the place. However, it's gratifying that someone else appreciates it, so... I'm gratified. :) And, although I think you mean your question rhetorically, I do have an answer for you. I went to Chattanooga to help my wife set up for a fine art & craft fair. She was selling for a couple days, so I had time on my hands to walk around and take some pix. Next month, she's got another fair in Nashville, so I'm planning to do the same thing. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Zook House

Do you mean that there are only two Zook Houses, not three? Nyttend (talk) 14:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes (I was going to get to you on this (I can get the reference to the funky PA NRHP site if you'd like). The older house was moved after it was listed, then delisted, and relisted. It was only moved about 300 yards, so they could build a new department store in the shopping mall (I have a picture of the store, but it probably isn't needed). The newer "Jacob Zook house" is south of the highway, about 150 yards away. It isn't a boundary increase on the older Zook house, but a move. I'd just delete the 1976(?) listing, with comments under the moved listing. Smallbones (talk) 14:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Please do add a comment; it will help future readers. Could you perhaps compose a stub on the house and include the delisting-and-relisting note? I should note that this is definitely not a common situation — the only other time I've encountered it was with the Kent Jail, which you can find at the Portage County, Ohio list. And about removing, I'm sure that won't be controversial; since you've shown that they're the same thing, I don't expect anyone to complain. I've never heard of any problems from removing Village of Mariemont from National Register of Historic Places listings in Hamilton County, Ohio after I discovered and showed that it was simply the NHL name for the Mariemont Historic District, which was NRHP-listed nearly 30 years before being declared an NHL. Thanks for the response at my talk; I had forgotten about asking you this question, so I'd not have thought to check back here. Nyttend (talk) 01:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, yeah; at least it's "Zook", not "Aook". Nyttend (talk) 01:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the nice words but comp0letely undeserved. Due to a (my) cock up I had loaded User:JamAKiska/Griffith Hughes (naturalist) into mainspace. Its now deleted and back in user space, The article I am working on is Colonel Mordant's Cock Fight which I'd ne pleased to have comments on or a DYK nom? Victuallers (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

John Penn ("the American")

John Penn ("the American") is being cited for deletion. Can you help with a supporting comment on notability, or improvement in the article itself? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

St. Paul's Episcopal

I'd just make sure all relevant info in the infoboxes syncs up (which I just noticed you did) and then redirect one of the pages. CDP's, technically, do have distinct boundaries that are decided by the U.S. Census Bureau (see Exton's). However, I'd use Exton in the disambiguation as West Whiteland Township is a mouthful and the church uses Exton in its mailing address. Sorry about the lack of the new trains; I got distracted again ;-) ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 14:20, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Check request

In light of your (1) sterling capabilities and (2) demonstrated interest in Pennsylvania history, could you take a quick gander at Sally Wister? I was surprised to see there was nothing on her in Wikipedia, and whomped this up, but it seems to be missing something. Thx. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 15:33, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

New Jersey?

Do you ever get into New Jersey? I just found this site, which might be a nice visit if you're ever east of Camden: it's on a suburban street on the northern side of Haddonfield. There's a memorial marking it as the site of the first known discovery of a complete dinosaur skeleton. Nyttend (talk) 23:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I love your (certainly not by me) comment :-) Nothing wrong with having the toys on the edge of the picture that you're using on the county NRHP list; they're simply part of the background. Overall, the marl pit photo is best; I've added it to the article. Is that the advice you wanted, or did you mean something else? Nyttend (talk) 21:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
s/b? Not familiar with that abbreviation. I'll see what I can do about the archaeological site, but I fear that it will be hard to get access to it even if I can find it — so many of these archaeological sites are far from roads. And a good idea to go ahead with the extra pit picture; more pictures are always better. Nyttend (talk) 23:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
See page 5 of this PDF — the map is quite detailed, but please note that it's not oriented to the north. The location is approximately 40°11′26.5″N 74°43′36.5″W / 40.190694°N 74.726806°W / 40.190694; -74.726806, along the tops of the bluffs southeast of the intersection of Independence and Park Avenues, southeast of Spring Lake, and northwest of the junction of I-195 and I-295. The ridgeline can best be seen in a topo map; do you know how to find any good ones online? If not, check out; move the map to the north-northwest of the leftmost red marker to find Spring Lake. Nyttend (talk) 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
You may also find this journal article informative; while I can only read the first page, it has some locational data. If you can find somewhere to go that has JSTOR access, you may be able to get a lot more information. Nyttend (talk) 00:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
By the way, see Commons:Category:Hadrosaurus Foulkii Leidy Site. Nyttend (talk) 01:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Lima Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Depot

Just saw your comment at the page's talk. I'll admit that I don't like the name, either; however, I don't know what name to use other than the NRHP listing name. Any ideas? Nyttend (talk) 02:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

More rail pix

Neat! Eyecatching, that LVRR engine. Was that color scheme standard for the LVRR? ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 02:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

HABS pictures

I just uploaded File:Clemuel Ricketts House drawing 2.png to make sure (and managed to screw it up the first time ;-) ). I open the largest TIFF in Windows XP, so it appears in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer. I then right click and choose "Open with" and use MS Paint to open the file (I tried Paint.NET but it choked on cropping). I saved it as a PNG format file, and then resized it to 40 percent of the original size (otherwise the thumbnail is too large to show up). Please ask if this is unclear. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

My guess is saving it as a PNG and reducing the size of the file should work on a Mac too - good luck, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 11:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

NRHP assessments

You might find this discussion illuminating about the issue. Daniel Case (talk) 17:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:DeTour Reef Light‎

Smallbones, Thank you for reranking that. Most of the Michigan (and other Great Lakes) lighthouse articles (which I worked on) are similar and should be similarly classed. Please take a look and see what (if anything) you could do. It is a source of frustration for me that the solid work I've done is classified as "start" or "stub", when plainly this is wrong. At least I pulled together all the available on line sources on most of these articles). Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

See for example, Alpena Light. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

WPA Latrine

That is one fine (and solid) looking latrine! Thanks for sharing, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Gloucester County pics

Whitney Mansion, in Gloucester County

Hey, nice pics being added by u to National Register of Historic Places listings in Gloucester County, New Jersey. I like the Whitney Mansion pic with, i think, a deodar cedar in front of a building of rounded stones. :) --doncram (talk) 06:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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Help request on article peer review

Hello, I posted the article strip club for peer review and saw that you are a volunteer in the Society and social sciences category. It would be a big help if you could provide comments on any of the criteria points (well-researched, structure, etc.) for the article before I post it for WP:FAC. Thanks! - Wallanon (talk) 14:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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Your trip

Nice to see the Kansas pictures; I was rather surprised to see you producing pictures that far west. It would have been funny if you'd run into Ammodramus, a Nebraska resident who's also gotten some Kansas photos. Nyttend (talk) 20:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow, what a trip! Yeah, I've found it quite a long task to upload lots of pictures; it took me most of a day just to upload a bunch of pictures on the Ross County, Ohio list, and that was far less than what you've done. Don't be ashamed of the gate photo; look at my Elm Court photo at National Register of Historic Places listings in Butler County, Pennsylvania or my Gartner Mound and Village Site photo at the Ross County, Ohio list. Oh, also — about the Denver guy, do you mean Denverjeffrey? Nyttend (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
It might be a while before you get anything back; Jeffrey hasn't edited all month, and he's had only ten edits since late May. To me, he's never seemed proud or anything like that: many of the downtown Denver pictures are mine (from a spring break trip last year), and typically lower quality than his. He easily could have replaced some of them, such as those of the Capitol Life Insurance Building, the Curry-Chucovich House, and the Neusteter Building (indeed, it would have been nice if he had!), but he's never done that. You didn't get up to Laramie, Wyoming, did you? If so, I hope that you got the Cooper Mansion; my picture from the same trip is quite horrid. Nyttend (talk) 21:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Best to go with File:Richthofen Castle 1.JPG; at least it shows part of the castle, unlike the gate and gatehouse photos that show nothing at all of the main building. A pity we don't have access to light airplanes in most circumstances, or we'd have a far easier time; images such as File:Zimmerman Kame overhead.jpg represent rare opportunities. Nyttend (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Enjoyed the Gothenburg pictures. You beat me on the library—I've got some pictures in my edit queue, but haven't got around to them yet. As I recall, I shot them on a cloudy day, so yours is probably better anyway.

Also nice to see the Kansas courthouses. I'd like to get down into Kansas and shoot more of those; but there are still forty-some courthouses in Nebraska that need to be photographed...

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Very nice pictures from North Platte. Looks like you had great light for them, and made good use of it.
--Ammodramus (talk) 20:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Glad you had good photography weather in Nebraska. I just did a combined birding-and-photography run through the southeastern part of the state, and the sky was a bit perverse: when I was birding and would've appreciated the shade, the sun came out in force; and when I was in a town trying to take pictures, the sun went behind a cloud, making my summer-in-Nebraska pictures look like November in Stockholm.
I'm afraid I don't know Omaha at all well, so I can't offer useful advice re. the Dundee HD. I spend most of my time and take most of my pictures in places with low population densities; for me, Omaha is little more than the place where I go to take people to the airport.
--Ammodramus (talk) 21:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Got my Gothenburg library pictures uploaded; spurred by your example, I also got Midway Stage Station (also NRHP in Dawson County) up. As I recalled, the library photos look pretty gloomy; it was a pleasant day, but very definitely an overcast one.
--Ammodramus (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Denver pictures

Hey, thanks for your note. I think there is a mistake with your Fox Street shot. If you look closely at the address, it is South Fox street. Your shot is of a house on North Fox street, so it's the wrong place. Ellsworth is the North/South dividing line in Denver, and your picture is north of Ellsworth.

I also went out to shoot the Richthofen Castle and decided not to use any of my pictures because I couldn't get a good one.

Regarding the Cheesman Park Esplanade shot, your picture is technically out of the esplanade as it is inside the listed street boundaries.


Jeffrey Beall

Your Denver pictures are fine. I generally don't replace others' pictures, so yours are likely to be there a while. I was thinking of hiring a helicopter for the Castle and a couple of the historic districts, but I will probably never get around to doing it. I did once take a picture of the Roth house, and it's here, but it's covered by so much foliage I didn't see the point of uploading it. I meant to go down there this winter (when the leaves are gone) but never did it. Perhaps I'll go there this December. Cheers. Jeffrey Beall 01:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Kripalu Center

Hi. A long time ago you participated briefly in discussion about Kripalu Center. The article has some of the same issues now that it had in March 2009. I got involved after the article's name appeared on a couple of noticeboards and a user talk page that I had watchlisted. I don't have the time or inclination to address everything about the article, and I think that multiple sets of eyes would be helpful there. Could you please resume watching/participating there? --Orlady (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

PHMC Markers

Don't worry, I will have no trouble getting the remaining counties' info into tables similar to how I have the lists for Adams County and Philadelphia now. That shouldn't take long. The wikilinks will need to be check and disambiguated, but I want to get all the pages for each county set first before I proof further, and I'm sure editors interested in the particular counties and topics will also help out with that once they discover the lists.

Not to worry, I'm well aware of the copyright issue on the markers and their text, and the only photo of a marker that is appropriate is probably the one I added to the main PA list page as an example of what a marker looks like since I specifically discuss it in the caption. As you know, PA's historical markers are different than NRHPs or others, and including people, events, as well as buildings, and other subjects, ....often things that are long gone. I therefore envisioned the photos to be placed in these tables to be a mix of photos of the buildings ala the NRHP lists, but also of people and events. The subject field should help clarify that for structures because "buildings" is specified when they are the subject of a marker. For a marker for, say Ben Franklin, I intended an image like this could serve the purpose. I'm going to get the basic information into the tables first before I worry about the images though.

In any case, thank you in advance for any future contributions. Let me know if you have any suggestions along the way. CrazyPaco (talk) 04:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

To give you an idea of what I was talking about, here is how I've started to fill in the Allegheny County table. I try to keep the context of the actual historic marker in mind. CrazyPaco (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Champaign County, Illinois

Are you referring to File:Sidewalk 200s Market St Champaign.JPG? I'd advise that you go to File:Graphic Press Champaign Illinois 4173.jpg, since the sidewalk isn't a contributing property. Nyttend (talk) 12:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I never imagined that the sidewalks would be included. Given that fact, the sidewalk is a good idea; nice work. Nyttend (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Henry Roth House

Curious, why remove File:5 Fox St Denver.JPG from the Henry Roth House line of National Register of Historic Places listings in Southeast Denver, Colorado? Nyttend (talk) 01:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, I'm sorry; I've been to Denver on three trips, but the first and third trips were only on I-70 and various highways in the northern part of the city, and during the second (which produced all of my Denver NRHP photos), the only time I was in the southern part was going on I-25 on the way to Colorado Springs. Curious, though — why do you say it would have been the last one for Denver? Speer Boulevard also has no photo in Southeast Denver. And congrats to Mrs Smallbones, who must find historic sites more interesting than my friends and family members do. The only ways I can get photos are (1) taking trips by myself [possible now that the doctors have finally allowed me to drive :-D] (2) getting photos such as File:Interstate view of St. Joseph's, Topeka.jpg that appears at National Register of Historic Places listings in Shawnee County, Kansas, which only works when we're driving past them anyway, or (3) persuading them that two minutes' detour to get one quick photo won't be too badly out-of-the-way. By the way, DJ's photo would seem to me to be reasonably usable; yes, it doesn't show much of the house, but it's better than nothing (and a nice picture overall, even though it doesn't show the house too well) until he can get back there. Nyttend (talk) 03:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
DJ has tagged the photo as cc-by-sa, so there's no legal or policy-based restriction on using it, but I thought I'd ask his permission before uploading it. I have a friend in Aurora, whom I tonight considered asking for help, but he isn't at all the type to get pictures of historic sites — when I was in Denver over spring break, he walked along the 16th Street Mall shopping with the rest of the people from my school for most of the day; I had to leave them for some hours to get the photos that are online, and he seemed to think me rather odd for walking all over downtown and North Capitol Hill. As far as Iowa City versus Chicago, it's likely an issue of someone putting together some detailed MPS work; why does Fredericktown (included in the Knox County, Ohio list) have 24 listings, when it's nowhere near 1/4 of the size of Iowa City nor 1/12 the size of Chicago? Nyttend (talk) 04:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for getting it uploaded and placed; I had no idea until yesterday that we could fill out the entire list. You did everything right; as you guessed, the only thing not yet done is the Flickrreview process, and only admins or trusted users can do that. I would have uploaded it this morning, but I learned last night that another building had been listed in a previously-all-illustrated county just 30 minutes from me, so I went out to get several photos. Nyttend (talk) 16:23, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Found your comments about 220th Trail rather funny; you just need more experience in areas where they have grid roads :-) I've replied more in-depth at WT:NRHP; in short, they're just using the same system as the rural parts of the county do. If you'd go to a typical tiny community in Indiana, you'd find that the main streets both have numbers in the hundreds. Nyttend (talk) 22:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


You've reverted changes twice today, on an article with a 1RR restriction.

  • In this edit, you removed the assertion that "Mass Killings of Non-Combatants have occurred under different types of Government."
  • In this edit, you reverted my deletion based on a talk page discussion, which you clearly didn't even bother to investigate.

BigK HeX (talk) 20:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

A) Obviously should be removed - what other article starts out "Other shit happened"? I was just correcting obvious grammatical and stylistic errors. Try writing in English if you don't want your text edited.
B) Removal of a Reliable Source just because you don't like it? Why don't you count this as an RR for yourself?
In short, I'll inform the 1RR people about your disruptions. Smallbones (talk) 21:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Minquas Path photo

It's a nice idea, but the photo really isn't too helpful for one simple reason — it's a bit too blurry. Any idea if you could revisit the spot? 1935 is old enough that you need only look for a copyright notice on the marker; if none is present, the text is PD-US-no-notice; you could tag the photo like I've done with File:Fort Defiance historical marker.jpg. Nyttend (talk) 00:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

image question


I too like the look of that old marker. As far as ©, technically, it is possible it is under copyright since it came about after 1923. I'm a little bit fuzzy on 3-d art, but the artist of the plaque would retain rights for 70 years after their death, or 100 years from its creation. That said, prior to 1978, works of art such as statues or sculptures that were permanently installed in a public place were considered in general to be published, so I'm pretty sure it would fall under Template:PD-US-no notice (see Commons:Freedom of panorama#United States). I'm betting there was no notice on that plaque, and therefore I don't think there is any issue as it would fall into PD, but you may want add that PD-US-no notice tag to the file.CrazyPaco (talk) 00:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I've just uploaded an image of an historical marker as File:Nettle Lake Mound Group historical marker.jpg for this very reason. Nyttend (talk) 01:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks - I've added the no notice tag. I'll probably re-take the pic from closer up, if I can find somebody to watch my back while I crawl on the curvy road to get closer. (That said the main reason it's not clearly legible is the patina/rust on the plaque - I don't think I'll try to clean that off!). It and similar photographs are legible if you view them at full size - and there is no copyright notice. Smallbones (talk) 02:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Country Tea Room

The coords for the Country Tea Room are pretty close, but not quite on. I didn't go hunting for that site particularly, but I was planning a drive to Carpentersville to visit my brother, and found I was passing right by the Tea Room. I did a little online research before heading out, and found out that the Country Tea Room is on the grounds of the current "Milk Pail" Restaurant (here's a cite). So I stopped in the Milk Pail parking lot and snapped a few pix, including the "1870's farmhouse located on the grounds." The actual location is here (sort of a side view of the house). Andrew Jameson (talk) 01:00, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

BTW, I noticed you wrote an article on the Milk Pail Restaurant. I had a couple more shots of more modern portions of the grounds, so I uploaded them & pasted them into the article. Andrew Jameson (talk) 14:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Chicago Historic & Inducstrial Sites

Lava Lamp Factory, 1650 Irving Park

I've uploaded multiple Chicago sites if you're interested, including the factory at right. I'll probably do some more tommorow. For more, browse, my contrib log at Commons. Andrew Jameson (talk) 21:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Philadelphia NHLs

To answer your questions in turn:

  1. I don't really know. Lots of NHL lists have few or no coords, even though many or all of the NHLs will have coords given in their county-level NRHP listings pages.
  2. See for a list of NHLs. I don't know why Independence Hall and Gloria Dei aren't there, except for the fact that they apparently haven't had them named NHLs.
  3. I doubt that anyone would mind; it was definitely be helpful.
  4. No opinion on sorting this way.
  5. Unlike Purdue, Indiana University has a library science program; I'm doing a Master of Library Science degree. I applied here and Pitt — when I was applying, they were two of perhaps four or five library schools close to churches in my denomination, and I didn't want to consider the other ones because I knew less about them and because they were significantly farther from the churches. I wanted to go to Pitt, but it's far more expensive; along with the you've-been-accepted notice came a statement of fees. It turns out that IU is so much cheaper than Pitt that Pennsylvania residents, despite their in-state rates for Pitt and out-of-state rates for IU, would pay about as much to attend IU as they would to attend Pitt! Combine that with me being out-of-state for both and definitely not well-off, and the decision was simple. Nyttend (talk) 03:45, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


Smallbones, the only way to check them is at the PHMC database here. Right now, their website seems to be running really slowly. All the coordinates were entered straight from the database. I noticed when I did that, a few of the PHMC seemed to be incorrect (one or two were even out of state!). The only way I know of to really check to make sure the PHMC coordinates aren't in error is to visit the markers personally, or try to find them on Google Maps (e.g. street view). CrazyPaco (talk) 22:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: 33rd Street Bridge

Hyner Run State Park latrine.jpg

Very nice photo - my own favorite recent upload is the panorama at the bottom of Hickory Run State Park. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I use Autostitch now - used to use Panorama Factory (shareware), but lost the license when I switched computers. Have tried Hugin. Not sure if any of them work on Macs. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
My odd habit of photgraphing latrines in state parks continues - this one is in Hyner Run State Park, which was originally a CCC camp. I wonder if this is CCC-built structure? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the date error - I have fixed them all now. I also like the Hyner Run photo, but I am a creek geek. ;-) Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks too for the double decker shot - there's one place I would not want to start on the ground floor and have to work my way up. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Any "creek geek" or like me, a bridge and train fan, should check out Mill Creek (Lake Erie), especially the Erie Zoo train on the debris catcher bridge. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


I've temporarily reverted you and proposed a compromise, see the foot of the talk page.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


Odd indeed. My guess is that the webmaster re-used a URL intended for something different. The (near) copying is not so odd, I'm afraid. Anyway, thanks for the note.   Will Beback  talk  16:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Dolley Todd (Madison) House

No editor can do all the articles that come to the attention. I have been doing bridges over the Schuylkill River, and a few new articles like Abraham Markoe not related to bridges, but I find that I want to do more than I have time and energy and information to do. I see that you have been doing Philadelphia history articles and photos (Martin School in Fairmount, near my house), so I am suggesting that you create the Dolley Todd House article on Walnut Street. I took the tour of that house and Bishop White's House down the block last year, very well done by the NPS guide. What do you think? I know I have photos, if I can just locate them on the hard drive. --DThomsen8 (talk) 16:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

NRHP Photos

I am considering going out to the northeast to take photos later today or tomorrow. It happens that I have photos from Awbury Arboretum and can add a photo of the Francis Cope House (1860) to the NW NRHP list. One difficulty is that I use Commonist for photos, and I always feel that I need to include far more details in the descriptions than most Wikipedia Commons photographers do. For example, last night I came across some photos for Saint Joseph's Preparatory School, uploaded them to the Commons, and added them to the article. I have not found my photos of the Todd house, though.

Quite a few of the NRHP photos are historical ones, rather than modern color ones. What do you think about replacing the B/W ones with color ones? --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I have borrowed your {{User:Smallbones/userbox2|25}} NHRP photos userbox for my home page, but I have no idea how to count the number of photos, so I have arbitrarily started at 25, even though I am sure it is far more than that. I suppose the count is by sites, not photos, and of course the count includes all sites uploaded, not just those in use in en.Wikipedia. The Northeast NHRP list is difficult, because I have to look up where all those schools and buildings are at. I added the James Martin School yesterday, all I had time to photograph. Also, I find certain entries quite interesting, such as the Glen Foerd Mansion, and must take care not to be diverted into creating a new article, which can be quite a bit of effort if done reasonably well. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:41, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Carnegie libraries in Philadelphia

Please take a look at List of Carnegie libraries in Philadelphia and tell me what you think. Perhaps it is overly cited, but I needed those references to find out what happened with some branches which were replaced with modern buildings, but the Pennsylvania Center for the Book did not show that. Also, there were several name changes to be documented. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Five bridges

Nice picture - I know you can see a lot of other bridges from the Walnut Street Bridge (Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, but the are all about the same height so it is harder to make them all out (and I do not think you get 5 in a row like that). Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 12:38, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

List of the oldest buildings in Pennsylvania‎

The List of the oldest buildings in Pennsylvania‎ is a new list by just one editor. I added something about Elfreth's Alley to the talk page, but I am fairly sure there are other quite old buildings in Philadelphia and nearby which should be on this list. What do you think? --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

When faced with a list like User:Smallbones/NRHP1, my first step is to sort on the neighborhood name. Later today I am going out to Port Richmond, so I can take some photos in the northeast. I see four listings in Mt. Airy, for example, so I will leave those and others in the northwest to you. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I added photos of two schools, and I have several photos of the Holme Avenue Bridge to upload tomorrow.--Davidt8 (talk) 02:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Northeast Philadelphia

National Register of Historic Places listings in Northeast Philadelphia has three more school photos, and a photo of the Holmes Avenue Bridge. I have photos of Glen Foerd at Torresdale, but I will do some research to upload those photos with a good description to Wikimedia Commons.

There are some questions about the list. The Laura H. Carnell School, 1100 Deveraux Avenue, Philadelphia, PA 19111 is what the School District of Philadelphia web site says is the address, but the list says 6101 Summerdale Avenue. The list says Woodrow Wilson Junior High School, but the School District and a sign on the building say Woodrow Wilson Middle School. I suppose I can leave these kinds of issues to whoever comes along to create articles for these NHRP listings. That kind of effort will eventually happen. Your goal is to have photos for all the entries, and I am working on achieving that with you. I expect to return to Schuylkill River bridges articles soon, but I am tempted to do an article on the Glen Foerd mansion, especially since there is a lot of material readily available. Keep up the good work! --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Northwood definition

I am seeking a definition of the Northwood neighborhood, at Talk:Northwood, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Please comment if you can. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Redone article with your excellent help. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Rain, rain, go away - no photos today! Smallbones (talk) 13:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


First off — click the "Move" tab above the page title; if you're on Monobook, it's between History and Watch. I've moved it for you :-)

As far as the red links, what do you mean? If I remember rightly (too lazy to look), there are over 500 entries; have you created articles for over 2/3 of them? And what MPS do you mean? I don't remember encountering a single big Philadelphia MPS.

I'd love to come to Philadelphia; my freshman-year college roommate is a grad student at Villanova, and I know other people in the city whom I've not seen for ages, but I doubt that either my budget or my schedule would admit of it. And I've never been closer than Gettysburg :-) Anyway, I keep track of everywhere I go and how many pictures I have, so even if I did visit, I'd try to get as many pictures of sites as I could, regardless of whether you'd gotten them. Currently at 3,353 photos of 1,164 sites (including 53 NHLs) in 105 counties (20 of which are fully-illustrated) in 11 states. Of course, those 11 don't average out; I have only 12 photos of 8 sites between Illinois, Missouri, and Wyoming (one county each), while I have 2,008 photos of 679 sites in 60 Ohio counties. Ahh might as well go get the last ones :-) It's been beautiful weather here for the last few days, so I expect that you'll get good weather soon if you've not yet started; good to hear of the coming completion. This will be comparable to Denver or to Detroit/Wayne County; I can't remember any other really major cities that are fully illustrated. And finally, I don't remember getting you started; what did I do? Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay; I'd not been paying attention, so I didn't realise that you had tons of schools yet to do. Maybe I'm just putting more work on you, but why couldn't you create kindof-short articles like I did for the Drexel School? Since they're not really mentioned, you'd probably just be working with two-page nomination forms; there can't be that much information on them, so you shouldn't have too much work involved per school. What tropical storm do you mean? 2010 Atlantic hurricane season doesn't show any going near the Atlantic coast except for Earl. You know, I just don't think about tropical cyclones too much out here in Indiana :-) Perhaps I should; my father talks about one, just short of hurricane strength, coming up the Delaware when he was a Westminster student. Nyttend (talk) 04:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
How did the photography go for you today? Nyttend (talk) 01:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:-( Hope you can get the list finished before too long. As far as the Elk's Lodge BPOE No. 2 goes — could you just get a photo of the parking lot? Nyttend (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good. Out here, the weather is good, but I don't have much income yet, so it's hard to justify the trips necessary to all-but-finish even the adjacent counties. I'm hoping to make such a trip for the county to the northwest by mid-month, but we'll see how it goes. Nyttend (talk) 22:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Lots of photos

Good job on finishing the Northwest Philadelphia list :-) I'm hoping to get as close as I can to finished on a list tomorrow; I have photos for ten of the fourteen sites on the Owen County, Indiana list; three of them aren't far from here, and the fourth is archaeological, so I can't get that. Nyttend (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Last fall, I was visiting friends who are Purdue students; they were all busy at a couple points, so I borrowed a bicycle and went out. I thought of going to the Tippecanoe Battlefield, but it was far enough away that I wouldn't have had time for anything else. Ah well; I'm an IU student, but I don't have and I don't plan to acquire a hatred for West Lafayette, so perhaps I'll go up there again some time :-) Please note that I've changed the coords for the Watson Comly School in NE Philadelphia; they would have had you go to the wrong street. Nyttend (talk) 11:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Great! First you finish off the Denver lists, then you finish off the Philadelphia lists...what's next? Are you going to come out here and finish the Indianapolis lists? Nyttend (talk) 02:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Holmes Avenue Bridge

How did you get that photo of the Holme Avenue Bridge, Smallbones? I was out there, and I could see the grafitti down at the abutments, but I certainly could not see how to get down there. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Atlanta article

I am leaving Atlanta this morning, but yesterday I took some photos of an interesting building near the hotel. There is enough information on the web to create an article. I replied to you on my talk page, but then I added this here. --DThomsen8 (talk) 10:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)