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Islam is not the fastest growing religion in South Korea[edit]

Hi there! As I can see that you are always adding this entry "Islam is also the fastest growing religion in country" to many Korea-related articles and its source is come from an Islamic organzation [1]...that is why mostly people highly doubt it, will the people believe it? Because according to the national estimates of South Korea has showed that Roman Catholicism and Won Buddhism are 2 fastest growing religions here. I suggest that you must never added this entry again because it violated WP:RS, NPOV. Thank for your good works. Angelo De La Paz (talk) 16:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, The source is originally Arab news, not an Islamic organization. The page in Islamawareness.net shows the article from Arab news. If otherwise, please show the census estimates, that you said, that shows that Roman Catholicism and Won instead are the 2 fastest growing religions. Still, I want to say I appreciate your concern in keeping this NPOV.Opticals (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Let's do some operetions between national census as of 1995[2] and 2005[3]:
  1. Roman Catholicism: 2,950,730 (6.14%) as of 1995 ==> 5,146,000 (10.53%) = nearly double after 10 years
  2. Won Buddhism: 86,923 (0.18%) as of 1995 ==> 130,000 (0.26%) = +150% after 10 years
  3. Other religions (included 45,000 Muslims): 267,996 (0.55%) as of 1995 ==> 247,000 (0.5%) = declined
Other religions: Including not only 45.000 Muslims (the least in other recognized religions in South Korea), but also Jehovah's Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Seventh-day Adventist Church, Daesun Jinrihoe.[4]

And if Islam is the fastest growing religion in S.Korea with only 45,000 Muslims so it can be impossible with only 6 mosques. Because don't like Buddhism, or maybe even Christianity; Muslims must go to mosques at least once a week. Now, let's do a small operation:

  • 45,000 Muslims : 6 mosques = 7,500 people/ mosque

But remember that the largest mosque in Korea is Seoul Central Mosque can contains only less than 1000 people.

Now, that is clear. And Islam was not the fastest growing religion in South Korea. About your citation given: 100% citizens of Arab countries must be Muslims and Islam is state religion. Look again the words in your citation given is: Islam Awareness; I don't care it come from Arabia or not but I know that is an Islamic webiste. The citation given of The Korea Times (11-22-2002) has agreed that Islam is growing in South Korea but it's no way to be the fastest growing religion here.[5]

Angelo De La Paz (talk) 23:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr.De La Paz, concerning your "operations" to make it "clear" that "Islam is not the fastest growing religion in South Korea", you have to learn that original research is not allowed, you have to bring citations. I have done that by citing Arab news, which was quoted by Islamawarness, it wasn't their material. And,uh,..I don't understand what you mean that all Arabs are Muslims or something. Is it that Arabs can never be reliable?Opticals (talk) 02:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


  • OK, let's see some neutral opinions from other members:
  1. Historiographer is a Korean atheist and an important member of WikiProject Korea has wrote in my TalkPage after received my request [6].
  2. Jeff3000 is a religion scholar and all of his editing are appreciated by many members because NPOV, WP:RS: [7]

And based on my citation given of national census of South Korea as of 1995 and 2005: Islam isn't the fastest growing religion in South Korea, but that is Christianity. And look again, your citation given of Arab News is old (from 1991) and it could be wrong now.

I think this problem must be over now because there are enough evidences to assert that is Islam is not the fastest growing religion in South Korea.

Angelo De La Paz (talk) 16:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

From the Havard Asia Quarterly, [8]

"Since 1960 the number of Christians in Korea has grown from 1.1 million to more than 14 million. Buddhism has grown as well, from a couple of million adherents in 1960s to well over ten million today. Yet the Muslim community has at most only 40,000 ethnically Korean adherents."

Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Korea. Abstrakt (talk)

Islam in Mongolia[edit]

If I'm understanding you correctly the logics of your post in this article is:

  • As in Mongolia 4% are Kazakhs, but Muslims number is 6% the rest 2% are Mongols(nonkazakhs).

So you added words "and Mongols". In 1991-1993 was an exodus of Kazakhs to Kazakhstan and Kazakhs (and Muslims) number declined from 6% to 4% (see Demographics of Mongolia) according national censuses 1989 and 2000. I don't know published (relevant for WikiPedia) sources claiming notable islamisation of nonkazakh Mongols. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

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Islam[edit]

I've reverted your change. Please explain why you are deleting images and removing other content on the talk page. --NeilN talk to me 03:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. --NeilN talk to me 03:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Images of Rasoolallah [SAWS][edit]

Dear brother:

AS!

I also tried to remove the images of Shams-ul-Ambiya Sarkaar-e-Do Aalam Muhammad Mustafa [SAWS] from various articles, but could not be successful.

WS!

Kslall8765 (talk) 07:24, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to remove any images. Opticals (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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Islam[edit]

Your edit made the history confusing. There are two "Expansions" and the one line about the Shia Safavids (1500-1700) is not in the right place. The Golden age is in the wrong place too.--NorthernPashtun (talk) 16:00, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


Answer to your text delete on the Islam page[edit]

If you want people to make changes please just consult with them. I spent months researching all this and you should have just asked before doing a mass delete. The changes you wanted, i.e moving some text was minor. You could have moved it your self rather than delete everything. I spent a lot of time linking everything on the islam page to the other Islam pages on wikipedia so that it flows correctly. Thanks --Johnleeds1 (talk) 22:31, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

left you a message of the talk section of the Islam page[edit]

left you a message of the talk section of the Islam page --Johnleeds1 (talk) 11:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


left you a message of the talk section of the Islam page[edit]

When you get a chance can you please give me your comments. --Johnleeds1 (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

New message! Heads up![edit]

You have a new message at Talk:Islam/GA1#Comments --Tito Dutta 10:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

1328101993 Rename.png Proposal for removing prefixes "Islamic views on xyz"
I have started a request move to remove the prefixes Attached with the Prophets in Islam to there Names as in Islam. Like Islamic views on AbrahamIbrahim as it becomes difficult to search the topic. Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Page Thanks. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sodicadl[edit]

During the last few months, I had some time off, so I looked at the pages relating to Islam on wikipedia. Over the last few years, a lot of incorrect material against Islam has built up on Wikipedia. I went through thousands of books in the London School of Oriental and African Studies library and on the internet. Looked through Sunni, Shia and the Roman books from that period. There is a lot of material on Wikipedia about Islam that is totally incorrect. One just has to look at the pages "Islamic views on slavery", "Muhammad and slavery" and "Ma malakat aymanukum". Even people Muhammad cared for deeply and provided for through the Bait Al Mall charity have been presented as slaves on wikipedia. Unfortunately the Muslims on Wikipedia spend more time fighting each other and discrediting people from the early history of Islam like Ali and Abu Bakr than they do actually going through wikipedia and correcting the incorrect material on Wikipedia that is in many cases totally incorrect and against Islam. In the process, unfortunately these arguments, give Muhammad and Islam a very bad name. I looked into Ali's family and Abu Bakrs family and realised that many early Scholars like Jafar al Sadiq and Qasim his grandfather from his mother side are as much related to Ali as they are to Abu Bakr. Ali even raised Abu Bakrs son Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr. Muslims are best off showing Ali's knowledge on the Ali's page and his scholarly achievements and his character. Fights between the Shias and the Sunnis give a very bad impression of Ali, Muhammad and Islam. The same is true on all the other Islam pages. Pushing sectarian views just gives a bad impression of Islam. Many of these views are based on history books written hundreds of years after the events and are exaggerated. Even Al Tabri and Nahj al-Balagha were history book written 300 years later. People ignore the Quran but concentrate on history books that were written 300 years later. Many of the conflicts on wikipedia are over the land at Fadak. Considering the level of resistance Muhammad was having at the time, I am sure many people at the time of Muhammad would have been saying Muhammad invented a religion to enrich his family. He took away the land from the Jews in Madina and gave it to his family members. Many people these days would then have said the same. You only get a complete picture once you read through the Sunni, Shia and the Roman books from the period. It was a tragic story of the Arabs going into Syria and Iraq that had just gone through the Byzantine-Sassanid Wars. Many people in Syria and Iraq hated each other. After going in, the Arabs from the desert started getting tempted by money and wealth in Syria and Iraq. What started as a small thing of Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr showing the Egyptians the house of Authman ended with Marwan and the Kawarij manipulating every one and a huge loss of life. Cousins fighting one another. Ali had a very difficult situation on his hand. Just image what was going through the minds of Hassan and Husein. Its a very tragic story, a lesson to all of us, a choice between Money and children or God. Aisha later realised she had been manipulated. When Marwan became the governor of Madina you could see the tensions between Aisha and Marwan. Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr and Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr were both killed by the umayyads. Later there were very close links between Abu Bakrs family and Alis family. Jafar al sadiq is a result of that. Its better to make the effort and find the truth, even if it hurts ones views and is contrary to ones views. If you have some time please look at the pages "Islamic views on slavery", "Muhammad and slavery" and "Ma malakat aymanukum". Try to be more constructive. We could change the future but not the past. Send me a message on my talk page if you want to assist in improving the image of Islam on Wikipedia. Thanks--Johnleeds1 (talk) 20:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Do not get discouraged by my deleting of your edits in the Islam page. Be bold, and keep editing. Those deletions were concerning certain Wikipedia policies, which are policies I agree with. If you need help with understanding any Wikipedia rules, ask me and I may be able to help. Sodicadl (talk) 18:19, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Sodicadl why do you object to this diagram. This diagram shows the people behind these schools of thought, fiqh and the denominations. Many of these divisions are about people. The Salafi take the first generation of Muslims as exemplary models. The Sunni follow the books of the four imams Abu Hanifa, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Malik ibn Anas and al-Shafi'i. The various shia branches are distinguished by which brother that branch follows. There are hundreds of books on this and I could add the references. To truely understand these divisions you have to see the links between these people. Once you put it into a diagram form one, also finds that these divisions are exaggerated as the original jurists all worked together. The theological differences happened later because the early jurists all worked together. Some times you have to put aside your denominational differences and look at the facts, be truthful and truthful to these original jurists. It makes you wonder why their followers don't get on. --Johnleeds1 (talk) 20:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Previously[edit]

I know you have previously had problems with Johnleeds1 (talk · contribs) regarding his misuse of sources. Would you be interested in starting an RFC against him? Pass a Method talk 17:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure I would go that far. Any harm from his edits are manageable as of now. Sodicadl (talk) 21:07, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

The Islamic Golden Age[edit]

The lead para start with "The Islamic Golden Age is an Abbasid historical period beginning in the mid 8th century lasting until the Mongol conquest of Baghdad in 1258.." and further describe only Abbasid.This era include Fatimid period 10th to 11th century which also part of Islamic golden age. My aim is not to give preference to any particular dynasty but to get included information regarding contribution they provided in education,artichecture etc. If we have objection to have this information in single para highlighting Fatimid we may include these information at relevant subjects.--Md iet (talk) 11:31, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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جزاك الله خيرا كثيرا على علومكم و مساهماتكم النافعة في ويكيبيديا و شكرا. ibensis (What’s the Story?) 18:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Islam[edit]

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Please stop removing sources from the article. All sources given regarding the growth of Islam state that it is the fastest growing major religion in the world. 4-6 million bahais are nothing compared to 1.6 billion Muslims. Thanks.Septate (talk) 04:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Use the article's talk page.Sodicadl (talk) 23:28, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I have explained your concerns regarding my edits on Islam, on talk:Islam. Please have a look. Thanks.Septate (talk) 07:16, 16 June 2014 (UTC)