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Please could you write something on Talk:Dnipropetrovsk explaining why it is best that the sunshine data from an inferior source is best deleted.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you![edit]

Gaufre biscuit.jpg You are doing yeoman work. Keep it up, and thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 00:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Colour of weather boxes[edit]

Your opponent has changed the colour of weather boxes back again for at least one city.[1] Instead of just reverting like you did last time, please could you open a discussion on an article talk page.--Toddy1 (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a discussion of what colours they should be at Talk:Lviv#The colours used on the weather box.--Toddy1 (talk) 14:36, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for your work in updating climate data. There is an IP vandal out there who is dedicated to falsifying the climate data of major Indian cities. Generally the stats vandalism stay unnoticed for many months if not years. Your work is helping to undo this. Have a great weekend. Best wishes Span (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and don't get discouraged.[edit]


I noticed that you have been working hard with the climate data in several articles. But I am also aware that there is ongoing vandalism, and I want to thank you for standing up for it. It must definitely suck having do deal with it constantly. Please don't get discouraged with Wikipedia. If you have any problems, contact an administrator so you can work things out. Maybe they can lock any particular articles and/or request blocking an IP user that is causing trouble. Good day and thanks for your hard work. ComputerJA (talk) 21:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Weather box discussion[edit]

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Accurateness of climate map[edit]

Reading the climate and average temperature descriptions, I conclude that the map in Köppen climate classification is a lot more accurate than the map in the source in Erfurt article. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 21:42, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Climate man![edit]

Hey! Congrats for your work, Climate Man.

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February 2013[edit]

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I just noticed that the edit summary from the other day got cut off. I removed the snow for a couple of reason. The box has precipitation and if the snow is added then the rain should be added as well. However, in the case of Vancouver there is already Climate of Vancouver so I think keeping the box smaller is a better idea. Sorry I didn't explain this earlier. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

San Miguel Allende[edit]

I put back the climate chart. What doesn't agree with official climate data? A quick check against here doesn't provide any obvious discrepancies. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 04:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Fixed the error in the climate chart so that the highs and lows match the offical data in the climate box below (instead of being 24 in April when it is supposed to be 30).Ssbbplayer (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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March 2013[edit]

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Kudos to you[edit]

Notwithstanding the above 3RR warning, you are doing good work and are an asset to Wikipedia. Regarding dealing with certain editors, I humbly offer the following guidance. Some of it may fall in the "do as I say, not as I do" category...

  • Patience is a virtue
  • Remain calm and carry on
  • No good deed goes unpunished - Oscar Wilde
  • Never argue with an idiot (at least not in the edit summary, initiate a discussion on the talk page instead)

Cheers! Sandcherry (talk) 02:03, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. The key thing is that the climate data is often not edited that much and errors like these can persist for a long time.Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Warning: non-standard colours[edit]

Your editing history shows that you currently (and in the last months) pushing non-standard colours in climate sections of very many articles. If case concerned a few of articles, this ok BUT mass changes in very many articles must have a consensus. Not important is your personal opinion about colors. You like green and pastels, I like pink, other user like black - it does not matter. To make mass changes in very many articles, must to be consensus. This is last warning! If you do not cease such activities, I create new topic about you, to block your further edits. Subtropical-man (talk) 21:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

First of all you both need to stop changing the colours right now, continuing on will probably lead to people getting blocked for edit warring over a content dispute. I am going to open a Wikipedia:Requests for comment at Template talk:Weather box but it may take some time to get all the details together. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Template talk:Weather box#RfC - Colours to be used in the weather box. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

While I have used non-standard colours to a large extent (mostly due to the modifications or addition of new weatherboxes) I use the following conventions for colours to ensure that I try not to arbitary use various colours.

  1. In determining whether pastel colours will be used, it can be used if the difference between the maximum and minium temperatures in coldest and hottest month are little so that it does not look too much like a reflective vest or a Christmas tree or otherwise, standard temperature colours are used. If most weatherboxes in the country use standard temperature colours, regardless of whether the difference is small, standard temperature colours is used because it is desirable since it makes it easier to compare weatherboxes in the same country (same amount of data)
  2. Precipitation/rainfall colour is set to green to prevent blending in most cases because it is desirable as the precipitation makes landscape green. Snow colour is usually blue because it rarely contributes to making the landscape green. I only use and would be better to use blue if the climate is Cfc, Cfb (except in the Americas where green is better owing to the temperate rainforest biome), Csa (even if I used green, blue also works well too), Csb (except in the Americas where it is often wetter and borders on Cfb), Dfd, Dfc, ET, EF or if the mean annual temperature is equal to or less than 0 °C (32 °F). This is reflect that precipitation can contribute to growth in some climates while in others it does not and that most Cfb climates outside of the Americas have low precipitation (eg. Western Europe).
  3. In other words, I usually use standard temperature colours and green precipitation colours. I rarely use pastel and blue rainfall colours.Ssbbplayer (talk) 19:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Oakville, Ontario. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Your behavior reminds Wikipedia:Canvassing, stop sending posts to other users, discuss is here: Template_talk:Weather_box#RfC_-_Colours_to_be_used_in_the_weather_box. Subtropical-man (talk) 21:29, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok I will stop it. I did not know this but this issue could be better if more editors can voice their opinions. Other then that I will stop doing it.Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

What was done with me is not canvassing. Is there proof that Ssbbplayer is influencing other votes? Thegreatdr (talk) 19:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
No I am just trying to get more opinions and more thoughts from other users. I am not forcing other users to accept my opinions. Ssbbplayer (talk) 19:24, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Then, by definition, you're not canvassing. Let's move on. Time to vote. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Stanley, Falkland Islands[edit]

[2]Could you please amplify your reason for this change? I note that neither your edit nor the previous text actually provided a cite. See Falkland Islands#Climate, where it is actually described as being on the border of two climate types. Would that material be more appropriate? Regards Wee Curry Monster talk 16:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I will use the Peel et al. source for the koppen climate classification. It is tundra because the mean temperature in the warmest month is below 10 °C (50 °F) but above 0 °C (32 °F) and closely borders it so it is a borderline case. So I included it. Secondly, the classification of "em" in the previous revision is non-existent. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes. That material would be appropriate.Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:56, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Marquette, Michigan[edit]

I think your snowfall totals are wrong somewhere. Per [3], the city sees ~150 inches of snow each year. The totals you have put in only add up to ~114. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I checked the source already. The reason for the difference is that the snowfall I put is data recorded from 1981-2011 but that is from a longer time period. You can add back in the snowfall data (all the others must remain unchanged) if you want but I prefer that all the data (except sunshine) is from the same reference period. But I am concerned about the source however. Looking at other cities I do not know how some cities in the deep south get snowfall in July (marked by T). Ssbbplayer (talk) 23:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Note F, at the beginning, says that hail is included, so I assume that the "T" means that there is a tiny average of hail from one or two years in the reference period. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I must have misinterpreted the data. Therefore the reason that the snowfall totals are different is that it was recorded from 1981-2010 so it might have been a warmer time period than that source which includes more years (including the cooler periods). But then, if the snowy days is from the same reference period, then the snowfall amounts must be from the same reference period, otherwise, the climate box is not accurate and consistent. Ssbbplayer (talk) 12:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC - Colours to be used in the weather box[edit]

Yes it would be good to see more opinions. But it's hard to notify people without being accused of canvassing. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 18:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

If it is hard to notify people without being accused of canvassing, should there be another way? Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your inquiry. I am not a climate expert, and do not have much of an opinion. I know I changed the color on one article recently, but I did it only to make it conform to other Michigan articles. I would suggest that you should post on the pages which attract and involve those who were big into meteorology. I wish I could be of more help. Keep up the good work. 7&6=thirteen () 00:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

1981–2010 normals[edit]

In the future, when you update to 1981–2010 normals for US locations such as you did at Pensacola, FL, could you be sure to use the normals and not averages? Meteorological agencies such as TWC and Accuweather which rely on NOAA data solely use the former; it sure took me a while to notice the difference between normals and averages for NYC. In, the correct normals can be accessed by "Daily/monthly normals". GotR Talk 04:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I understand your point. That is why you changed the values a bit on the Marquette article because you used the values under "Daily/monthly normals". It took me a while to find out why you did that. What is the difference between normals and averages? Ssbbplayer (talk) 15:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Anyways, at least you explained your reasons behind changing the numbers so in the future I do not accidentally revert it. Ssbbplayer (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Appropriate action?[edit]

No that sort of thing is not appropriate. And if I have been guilty of that then I apologise. Can you point out the bits on the page that you are referring to? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 17:26, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Here is one example (first topic)

"If violet was used, it would reduce the blending of blue colours for temperatures below zero but using the existing blue colours scheme for precip/rain/snow colours, it would still have the problem of leaving a chilly impression for a place that is non-arid and not that cold in winter considering that most templates have precip and precip days below it. Furthermore, considering that the white font for blue colours begin at 90 mm (3.6 in) instead of 213 mm (8.3 in) for green, it does create an impression of a place that may be wet even though 90 mm in a month may be considered dry due to high evapotranspiration while 213 mm is considered to be high precipitation in many locations. I propose using an alternate blue colouring for precip/rain/snow (will still be blue), preferably a gentle tone. The precip/rain/snow days/humidity colour will stay the same (very rare outside of Canada and USA that all precip/rain/snow days are together) because they do not cause a lot of blending if precip days/humidity were placed together (eg. using green colours to illustrate this). That way, violet colours can be used to solve the blending of colours in cool but not cold climates like much of Canada, Northern and Eastern Europe and East and Northern Asia while the alternate blue can be used for warmer climates so that the rainfall colours make it look warm and not a cold one. It is either that or green colours will have to be used because I highly doubt that changing the colours on the precip/snow/rain days will do much to reduce the blending. Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)"

In order words, the problem is the blue colouring creates a chilly impression and maybe using a different type of blue colouring (maybe a lighter tone?) could eliminate this issue while reducing the blending. Again, it is stating that I would like the precipitation lines to be differentiated to minimize blending either using that method or simply using green colours. Precipitation colours will remain the same in all locations.

However, this is the response I got from another user.

"ble, ble, ble, again. So, 3*705+532-555:435=violet. Sorry, your suggestion is absurd, several standards for some types of climate? No, no, no - strong oppose."

While constructive criticisms are appropriate, criticizing a user's level of intelligence or opinions (even if it sounds crazy or absurd) sharply does not look appropriate based on this example. I have checked the discussion and I do not see any wrongdoing from you. Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what ble is supposed to mean but it could be a mistake for blah, blah, blah. It's used to indicate that someone is just talking on without making sense so no it's not a good thing. Absurd used like that is a grey area. I did notice that in the next edit they were warned about that sort of comment. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 07:30, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying that, especially about the usage of the word absurd. I want to make sure if my discussion was meaningful or good or not clear or not meaningful at all. Ssbbplayer (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Climate in Canada[edit]

I think Environment Canada may have updated some of the data since you entered it. The only reason I noticed was because I was looking for a particular high temperature in January at Cambridge Bay, see this for January, April and May. On the other hand Alert does not seem to have changed. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:11, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

This would be attributed to one of those small errors where I forgot to update the record temperatures (it happened a couple of times in other locations but most of the time I catch it before the edit is saved). It would have been just an error that I must have looked over accidentally, which is true given that the data format is much harder to read than the tabular format in the 1971-2000 normals data, making it harder to determine whether I entered the same values as the one in the source. At the same time, I would have seen that Environment Canada might have changed some record values since some of them are dubious (eg. [4], [5]). The one at Alert did not changed which would mean I entered in the data correctly. They have not changed any values since the CSV files were available back in September. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: Guadalajara Climate[edit]

Hello, that's alright. I probably overreacted somewhat after noticing Mt173's edits to San Luis Río Colorado, where they added very dubious record temperature data (which can also be found at the Mexican Meteorological Service site, but they just haven't gotten round to scrubbing it yet ... see my comments on the talk page). Unless there are similar concerns with the Guadalajara record temperatures, then it's probably OK to leave them there. Sorry for throwing the baby out with the bathwater in this case. Graham87 02:58, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

US weatherboxes[edit]

I've taken care of the rest of the cities that have sun data for 1961–90: just look in my user-space: User:Lieutenant of Melkor/Climate/US with percent sun. However, to protect from IP vandalism, I'd rather the data all be contained within indefinitely semi-protected templates as I've done with several cities. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 17:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for updating the sunshine data for many of the cities in USA to a better source and reverting vandalism to the data that I could not find. At least other users are understanding the rationale behind using NOAA instead of HKO as a source for sunshine data based on the edit summaries. About the point about protecting the data with semi-protected templates, it is good but semi-protecting indefinitely the weather box templates may not be useful. Occasionally, IP users have provided valuble sources such as example although it is true that the climate data has been vandalized often by IP users. A better way is to semi-protect it for a while if vandalism is frequent since I find that the climate section is one of the most least edited section. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'll let the templates stay as they are, but if there is even the slightest vandalism to the data, I'll create new templates from my user pages and transclude them. And I hope you're updating the snowfall normals as well, and the "-7777" in the .TXT files indicates the normal is trace amounts, if talking about sums. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 18:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I am fine with that. Hopefully, I will try to update the snowfall normals as soon as I can. Ssbbplayer (talk) 13:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
(Talk page stalker) - Ssbbplayer you should apply for Wikipedia:Template editor so you can edit all the templates even the locked up ones at will. If you do I will write a message in-support of you having this ability. Just let me know if your interested. -- Moxy (talk) 19:32, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
@Moxy: they are only semi-protected. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 22:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities[edit]

I made a small addition to your comments so that the div style would appear. I didn't change anything you had said. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 15:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

And I've done something similar. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 15:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities#RfC: When is the presentation of statistics excessive.......conversation starts at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities#Weather box--Moxy (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Precipitation colour[edit]

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I don't see an infobox field named "precipitation colour" on {{Infobox body of water}}. Conifer (talk) 03:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The infobox field named "precipitation colour" is found on the {{Weather box}} that enables the precipitation colour to be changed from the default one to a different colour (usually green), which can be useful in distinguishing those record lows and avg. precipitation days/snow from precipitation amounts, given that these are different things being measured at that location and that green is used in radar images. The weather box template, is responsible for that climate table on the Crater Lake climate subsection, not the {{Infobox body of water}}. See the differences in the climate table in these two revisions in which the first one has the infobox field named "precipitation colour" removed and the second one with it added. [6] and [7] I hope this helps in clarifying the misunderstanding. Ssbbplayer (talk) 04:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Malaysian climate box[edit]

Hello Ssbbplayer, thanks for providing the climate box to some Malaysian cities/town articles. I am quite interested with the new box you provide, can you as well put a new climate box to other Malaysian cities such as George Town, Johor Bahru, Kuala Terengganu and Shah Alam. Thank you. ~ Muffin Wizard ;) 03:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I will, provided that there is a reliable source for that location. I know that previously on some pages, there were multiple climate boxes that just showed data from one year, so it does not tell the reader what is the climate like. Although I find it pretty hard to find other sources other than World Meteorological Organization and NOAA that can provide good and reliable climate data. I am pretty sure that the Malaysian Meteorological Department does not put that much climate information on their website compared to some other countries like Canada, USA and Australia that really good climate data in many places.Ssbbplayer (talk) 03:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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