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  • Well, this was a bad tag, considering that it is content moved from Wally. Time to make a suggestion to the bot owner. Steel1943 (talk) 23:48, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Nice to see you back at RfD[edit]

Nice to see you back. I haven't looked (will do after this) at what I just saw "pending block and leaving". I will tell you for one, I know you argue vigorously and intelligently and improve the encyclopaedia by doing so. I wouldn't like to count how many you "won" and I "lost" or vice versa: I would guess it is about half and half. Never known you be anything but polite, solid, point out the facts. Hard for a bloke like me to say but you are what every Wikipedian should be. Takes onion. Si Trew (talk) 08:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

  • @SimonTrew: Thanks! Speaking of which, I'm going to archive my entries up until October once I get access to a computer in a couple of days; that section is kind of old news. Steel1943 (talk) 15:09, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I have an archive in real life. It is about five feet talle and has a balanced force by virtue – Galilleo could have told you this – of two cylindrical rotational devices at its feet. Si Trew (talk) 16:31, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Guy fawkes night cheers![edit]

I got one of these for Hallowe'en, I don't know why but if I don't pass it on apparently there is a pox on me. So amended, but still a bit late:

I dropped some pennies[edit]

Some pennies
Same pennies

I added a couple of pics of pennies I dropped to Commons. I know not as good as a slot machine, but you might make some use of them. There's a selection of new sterling, old sterling, american one cent pennies, and a bit of euro copper Si Trew (talk) 02:16, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Si Trew, dang, much thanks! But, I'm thinking that I may have needed to be more specific; I'm looking for the 1943 variety. ;) Steel1943 (talk) 04:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
The weirdest ones, when I used to fix computers as a bit of a sideline, a music teacher and composer had a rattling tower machine and I got six pre-decimal pennies out of it. Saved his computer but neither of us could for the life of us work out how they got in there: he had no children you know shoving things into the draws, but the CD draws etc are sealed units anyway so they wouldn't have fallen in. I suppose someone shoved them in the back as a laugh or something. The six old pennies are on the photo! Si Trew (talk) 08:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Which reminds me Penny falls/Penny Falls doesn't exist. We do have Penny pusher as an R to section. But I was more trying to get the history of them; everyone knows what they are but there is not much info on them. About six years ago I tried to look up for patents (which would probably be called "device for receving and randomly delivering small amounts of petty cash by mechanical " or something, in the way patents are), I phoned a couple of the large slot-machine manufacturers, got on to the Patent Office and British Design Museum and the Toy Museum and so on, and got nowhere; the curators themselves said I know what you mean but I can't find anything about who invented them or when (I guess late nineteenth century). I mean it's just a couple of eccentric cams driving a shelf etc but I couldn't RS it at all. Si Trew (talk) 08:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Administrator Question[edit]

To the administrator whom this may concern,

I stumbled upon Wikipedia:Autochecked a few minutes ago. On this page, it says that if any editor has this right, it should be removed; per this list, there is currently 1 editor who somehow received this user right. Could this be resolved? Thanks! Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I have removed the right, and posted a message about it to the talk page of the administrator who gave the right. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Your mass RfD nomination...[edit]

... is greatly appreciated. I know I bitched about the one title being restored, and I'm glad it's being nominated, but I didn't realize that there were quite so many similar redirects, and I definitely didn't expect them all to get nominated at once. They are all equally useless, of course, so you'll have at least one person supporting your effort to get rid of them all.

I know there's some way of configuring the wiki software to reject certain titles, so if these get deleted - fingers crossed - you might want to do whatever is needed to just prevent the creation of titles with multiple single quotes in them. The people who create pages like that are simply making a natural mistake about how wiki syntax works, but unlike most things here they can't just go back and fix their mistake, at least not in any obvious way. It's better to just prevent the mistake from having any effect in the first place.

Again, though, kudos for actually making the effort to clean things up here. (talk) 03:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

  • @ Thanks! There's probably at lot more, but the ones I nominated are only the ones that specifically start with at least two apostrophes. (I was trying to get this mass nomination organized during the time I had requested that Ricky81682 restore that one specific redirect due to it not technically being eligible for WP:CSD#R3; I'd like to see all of these go as well, but only if it's done the correct way.) And also, an alternate idea may be if my nomination passes, there should probably be a new criterion for speedy deletion for redirects that states something link "Redirects that contain wiki markup: any redirect that contains at least one instance of at least two consecutive apostrophes." Steel1943 (talk) 03:18, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that would work too. Good to see I'm not the only one who wants these gone. (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
@ I don't know if you are still the same editor at that IP address, but if you are, I just wanted to let you know that the creation of titles with any instance of at least two consecutive apostrophes has now been added to the English Wikipedia's title creation blacklist; see here, and I can confirm that it works (since I know that as an IP, you cannot create a page to confirm.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Redirect Barnstar[edit]

Redirect Barnstar Hires.png The Redirect Barnstar
Your diligent work in the area of redirect categorization and improvement is duly recognized and greatly appreciated. You are truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia, and we hope you continue to enjoy your improvement of this awesome encyclopedia! This is for your work at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 20. Keep up the good work Lenticel (talk) 07:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

All 357 redirects?[edit]

Nice to see you, haven't seen you in a while. Haven't opened that yet.

May I wish sincerely you and your family an early happy christmas since it will take me from now till then to go through them, you bastard.

Hope you're doing all right... for now.... Si Trew (talk) 15:06, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

That was meant as a rather pathetic joke, I do sincerely hope you and yours are doing well and nice to see you back. Herculean task on that one you've taken on. Si Trew (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
No worries Si Trew, I took it as so, and even chuckled a bit when I read it the first time. But I agree, preparing for that nomination took me the better part of a few hours; in related news, due to the page moves I performed in preparation for that nomination, it would seem that I created about half of those redirects. :) Steel1943 (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests[edit]

(Undid changes of "Uncontroversial" to "Unchallenged" - where was the discussion for these changes?)

Do you disagree with the changes' rationale or the replacement "Unchallenged"..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:40, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

@Sardanaphalus: I disagree with the word change since "unchallenged", to me, sounds like the request has already been assessed and has no reason to be challenged, whereas the word "uncontroversial" sounds more like an editor's bold opinion that has yet to be assessed. Also, the section "contested technical requests" seems to flow better with the previous section having the word "uncontroversial". Steel1943 (talk) 15:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Understood; thanks for explaining. It didn't occur to me at the time, but both "unchallenged" and "uncontroversial" can be read as suggesting already-assessed etc. Perhaps something using "proposed" or "submitted" might avoid these overtones..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
@Sardanaphalus: Those may be an option, though I personally prefer to remain at is due to "it being this way for so long". That, and I've seen editors in the past do renaming in those sections or even changing the hidden notes around, and it "breaks stuff". I'd say your best option if you believe that any changes should happen of the section header names, a discussion should be started on Wikipedia talk:Requested moves. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • It may've been this way for so long, but the potential misreading only struck me recently. In the grander scheme of things, though, it's not a big deal, so I'll leave it to be noticed again sometime. Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Here is a Barnstar. Because why not? :) (¯`·._.·[God Of Death ÐËxtËR]·._.·´¯) (talk) 13:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Autopatrolled right[edit]

Thanks for adding The Master and Margarita (disambiguation). Since you've been around a while and seem to know what's what, you might want to apply for the autopatrolled user right. This will prevent pages you create from appearing at Special:NewPagesFeed, saving new page patrollers some work. Swpbtalk 21:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

  • @Swpb: Thanks; I wish I could, but any right-minded administrator would refuse giving me that right; I've created several disambiguation pages and redirects, but only 2 or 3 articles with content and references. Per the guidelines, redirects and disambiguation pages don't count towards the requirement for being granted this right ... but, I wish it did. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hurry back![edit]

L8RG8R – Paine  03:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


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Seasonal Greets![edit]

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Hello Steel1943, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2015.
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Merry Christmas![edit]

I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. If you don't like Christmas or just don't celebrate it in any of its forms, then please accept a generic "Happy Holidays". If you celebrate no holidays at this time of year, then hopefully you will be satisfied with an even more generic "Season's Greetings".  :)

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  • Thanks Technical 13! (I would have just clicked "thank" on the edit, but since you weren't the one who did the edit, I know you would have not received it.) Steel1943 (talk) 04:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

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Merry Christmas!!
Hello, I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,

Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia! Face-smile.svg

   –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 04:47, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


Hey Thanks for cleaning my nominations. All those similar names left me very confused. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 09:41, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Move request for Ilz[edit]


could you explain why you are opposed to the move request. Do you consider the river the primary topic WP:PRIMARYTOPIC ? Inwind (talk) 07:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

@Inwind: From what I see, it's not only the primary topic; it's also the only topic. What other subject that currently has an article is also referred to as "Ilz"? Steel1943 (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Never mind, I see now. Either way, the discussion has been moved to Talk:Ilz#Requested move 28 December 2014 by another editor. Steel1943 (talk) 14:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Penny for your thoughts[edit]

Have I correctly understood the meaning of your username? Jehochman Talk 23:00, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


I know what WP:TPO says, but I'm using WP:IAR here, as these users have used irrelevant arguments. They simply imply WP:IDONTLIKEIT as being a reason for not moving the page. I'm also going to request a change to WP:TPO for this soon, but do you oppose to WP:IAR? I'm not going to reinstate it now.Qxukhgiels (talk) 21:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

also, I know IDONTLIKEIT is for deletion discussions, but it's basically the same situation here.Qxukhgiels (talk) 21:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
  • FYI Steel, I filed a report at WP:ANI concerning this. -- Calidum 21:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
  • @Calidum: Yep, that would have been the other venue in which this would have been reportable. Well, so much for my comment below; I'll check out the report. Steel1943 (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Qxukhgiels: I don't oppose IAR, but following it also comes at the price that most likely, the community will disagree with you (which has happened in this case). Either way, I would recommend that you either request the closure on WP:ANRFC or stop reverting the edits on Talk:Woodstock; at this point, the talk page edits would be reportable on WP:3RR, but I'm going to hold off on that since you have stated you will stop, and that's enough for me. Steel1943 (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
The majority of those editors are not thinking it through, and I think the community would agree with that. It's their PT, and I don't think, as famous as this event is, that it is the PT for most of the world. Do you disagree with that?Qxukhgiels (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
  • @Qxukhgiels: At this point, since a report has been filed on WP:ANI, you would probably be better off asking any questions or stating any concerns there in an effort to state your side for the community to see. Steel1943 (talk) 21:46, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


I just looked at your user page for the first time. Very interesting, especially that you like "depreciating" unused templates. Well, you could try "deprecating" (no letter I) them instead: templates are not WP:CHEAP you know! I think it was you who suggested {{deprecated template}} (not {{depreciated template}}) to me (at RfD).

Beyond that, have a happy new year, eh? Your humble gnome Si Trew (talk) 20:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I presume you realise I was being rather sarcastic. Sincerely, thanks for all the hard work you do at WP. I for one appreciate it. Si Trew (talk) 20:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) Si Trew, yeah, all has been good. Ironically, I ran across the "deprecated" vs. "depreciated" issue earlier when I was trying to change some section headers on WP:CSD as well. Other than that, just getting a bit fiery over the fact that the title creation blacklist hasn't been fully functional lately, resulting in titles that are on the blacklist being created anyways. (About half a month ago, I asked for titles that have any instance of two consecutive apostrophes to be added to the blacklist; it was, but now the software that enforces the blacklist is having intermittent functionality issues, causing title cremation havoc, so to speak ... such as the RfD nominations today ... well, at least one of them.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I've taken that one to CSD, if it's the one I'm thinking of. But I bet it is declined. Si Trew (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Si Trew, I'll cross my fingers, toes, and eyes. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Were I you, I should uncross them all. I have put reasons on the R's talk page, quoted reasons, quoted at RfD and quoted the RfD at the talk page. In short I have buttonned every hole. So it is bound to be rejected; a racing certainty yesterday was (although that is more suspicious and I still need to dip my toes into that one since I think there's some interested party dipping in there). Persuasion is better than cure, or whatever the doctor said, but often to present a fait accompli as I said at RfD earlier gets it rebuffed. Better to pretend you don't know and need help, sometimes, than quote chapter and verse. (I have had security guards help me away with stolen goods that I couldn't lift onto the van, by asking their help: long story, but basically psychology says "nobody would ask us if he were stealing it". Me: "Do you want to check the receipts?" They: "Nah, you're alright.") I am a very clever idiot. Si Trew (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Blow me down, it did get deleted (''A World Transformed'' ). That should give you a precedent, at least. Si Trew (talk) 22:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Si Trew, Yeah, I saw it got "R3"-ed ... Shocked it got deleted for that reason though, considering that the redirect was 2 months old ... Steel1943 (talk) 22:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I put your statement that it was only valid for 3 minutes on the talk page of the articlepage when I nominated it for CSD (and referred it back to the RfD discussion). You can see my exact words (I can't!) as an admin if you look at its talk page, but something like "I realise 14 Nov is not recent by usual XfD standards, but in fact this was only valid for 3 minutes before the page move, and the chances of it being referred to internally or externally in that time are slim". Still amazed anyone actually read the talk page, despite the admin instructions telling them to. Si Trew (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Smashrooms etc[edit]

Nice work with the mario bros. redirects, most of them seem to have gone red. I have been quiet about these to let them go delete by default (and obviously you can't close them yourself) but nicely done, can't see why someone searching for "Smashrooms" or "The Smashrooms" should be WP:SURPRISEd to end up there. Better off being red. I am an inclusionist by nature, and one of the reasons I lurk at RfD is to turn redirects into articles, sometimes translate them (I did a few the other day from French) but sometimes things are better off red. Si Trew (talk) 01:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Ugh, I just reminded myself, one needs to be done from PNT that needs translating from Hungarian. That will be a struggle. Excuse me for not linking – purposely I am not, so as not to clutter "What links here" etc. Si Trew (talk) 01:08, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Si Trew, there seems to be quite a few bad redirects directing towards video game-related articles, probably due to Wikipedia guidelines being near nonexistent back during its infancy. Like, for example, Halo (series) has probably the better part of 5-10 redirects directing towards it that really should not exist. Steel1943 (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
So I see. Will you please stop cluttering my nice clean RfD pages with your perfectly correct nomiations! It was nice and clean before you started! Si Trew (talk) 08:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Colorado Springs (disambiguation)[edit]

Feel free to tag the disambig page for deletion (or use MfD) ... but first converting it to a redirect, then tagging it for speedy as an invalid redirect seems a bit deceptive. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 22:51, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

  • @Barek: I disagree since I believe that it would be eligible for G6 in another way if it were reconverted to a disambiguation page; {{db-disambig}}. Besides the primary topic, all other entries were partial title matches. (If the redirect did get reconverted to a disambiguation page, my next edit would be to remove all of the partial title matches, which would have left the primary topic sitting at the top with no other entries on the page.) That, and I'd rather not bother the community with going through a 7-day deletion process with something that seems so uncontroversial; if it's controversial (since you seem to think so), I'd rather the community have to deal with the misleading redirect existing. Thanks for your time and consideration. Steel1943 (talk) 22:56, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
If you feel the disambig qualifies for speedy under G6. feel free to tag the disambig for G6. I will allow another admin to review that. However, by first wiping out the content and leaving only a redirect, then tagging because what you left is an invalid redirect - it's misleading at best. That would be no better than someone turning any article to a redirect to some other article, then tagging it for deletion as an invalid redirect. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 23:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  • @Barek: So, I performed the edit I said I would if it was reconverted to a disambiguation page, then you reverted my edit. I follow a guideline, then you revert me. No administrator in their right mind would speedy delete the page with that much text on it. If you feel so adamant to protect a page that obviously doesn't meet MOS:DAB standards, that's on you. Good day. Steel1943 (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Seriously? Your argument is that blanking it first helps it to qualify for speedy? You don't see the obvious misleading nature of that action? I admit that I should not have made the second revert from when you stripped out all the inappropriate partial name matches, and I apologize for that second revert - but I feel the first was entirely justified in reverting your bypass of process for the sake of convenience. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 23:18, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
@Barek: At this point, I understand your stance about your first revert, and respect it, even though I disagree with it since I believe I was following process, given that I do not know of any guideline that states that a speedy is not allowed if the previous few edits put the page in the state that made it speediable, provided that the previous edits were justifiable and following process themselves. However, the second revert; thanks for the apology. Also, since someone else reverted your revert, I'm going to go ahead and tag it with {{Db-disambig}} with the state it is in now and see what happens, and then accept whatever that outcome is. Steel1943 (talk) 00:03, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

"US" versus "U.S."[edit]

WP:USPLACE does not discuss the question of US versus U.S.
Where in the Wikipedia style manual might we truly find guidance on that specific point?
Thanks.  Doc – DocRushing (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2015 (UTC).

WP:NOTUSA. -- Calidum 15:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
@DocRushing: Calidum beat me to the answer; I knew I said the wrong shortcut right after I said it. Steel1943 (talk) 16:13, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
WP:NOTUSA does not require either the use of U.S. or the avoidance of US.
However, it does in part offer this comment:  "Some major American style guides, such as The Chicago Manual of Style (16th edition), now deprecate U.S. and prefer US".
Does any of you know of any unequivocal requirement that we specifically must use U.S. or avoid US in an article at the Wikipedia?
Thanks again.  Doc – DocRushing (talk) 00:22, 18 January 2015 (UTC).
It also says U.S. has been the dominant form. While there is no rule explicitly stating is the periods, it's a well observed convention on Wikipedia to use them. -- Calidum 05:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  • @DocRushing: As far as I know, that is the only Wikipedia page that mentions any requirement in regards to the "US" abbreviation (so if you desire, feel free to revert my revert; I will not re-revert you). If you believe that there may be an issue with the way that the guideline is worded, you may need to being it up on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style regarding the section WP:NOTUSA leads to. Steel1943 (talk) 05:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Marshall Eriksen[edit]

Template deletion process[edit]

Hello, wanna discuss about the template Template:Programmes broadcast by Zindagi. Since nomination, no one had even discussed as till now. Plus the dramas aired in it are syndicated Pakistani TV soap opera, no fresh or self created material airs here. Though it's clear redundant. So here, whether discussion would be closed or still keep it? DerevationGive Me Five 16:07, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

  • @Derevation: I actually have no opinion about that template either way. I asked the question regarding its redundancy at its TfD nomination so whoever closes that discussion will have a clearer idea why the template is redundant (which I didn't feel was accurately described in your initial nomination.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
@Steel1943: Sir, Pakistani channels have their own template of their television dramas. So here in Zee Zindagi, ONLY SYNDICATED OLD DRAMAS BEEN TELECASTED . No new show of their self has been aired. Read that article and ping me. Thanks again

DerevationGive Me Five 06:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

  • @Derevation: The comment you just posted here would be better placed on the template discussion. I actually have no interest in voicing an opinion on it; I asked the comment "redundant to what" for your benefit and the discussion closer's so that it is clear what you believe is redundant. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Lightning in a tropical cyclone[edit]

I've closed the longstanding RFD for Lightning in a tropical cyclone as no consensus with an unusually detailed rationale. Basically, nobody wanted to keep it, but there wasn't consensus on what to do, so I've taken a bold step of un-redirecting it and immediately sending it to AFD to get input from people who don't often show up at RFD. I'd really appreciate your input at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lightning in a tropical cyclone, where I've given a strong suggestion that people pick between the RFD-favored steps of deletion or retargeting to lightning. I'm attempting to notify everyone who participated in the RFD (that's BDD, Ivanvector, Inks.LWC, Guy1890, Steel1943, and Thryduulf), but if I missed someone, please do the notification for me. Nyttend (talk) 18:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

RFC on primary topic[edit]

This issue has been discussed many times already, as you can see at WP:PDAB. NotUnusual (talk) 02:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

  • @NotUnusual: Awesome, I just asked what is considered a "perennial proposal" on many of the Village Pump forums. I just closed the entire discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)