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Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya[edit]

I note you are changing the name of the Circuit de Catalunya to the above. If you have a source for this name I suggest you give it in an Edit summary. if not, I suggest you stop making these changes as your work will almost certainly be reverted. Britmax (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I changing the name to official name and give wikilink to valid name of article, not to redirect. Subtropical-man (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Great. It would help if you would leave an Edit summary as we have constant problems with vandals who can change dozens of articles for no reason, meaning another editor has to change them all back rather than doing something useful. And with no Edit summary the difference between legitimate edits and vandalism is hard to see as sometimes there isn't any difference. Britmax (talk) 21:59, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Ok, edit summary. Subtropical-man (talk) 22:12, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Subtropical-man. I have reverted your edits for F1 seasons before 2014 - WP:F1 convention is to refer to circuits by what they were called at the time, e.g. Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari is referred to as Autodromo Dino Ferrari before 1988, when the name was changed. DH85868993 (talk) 03:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Re:Can't Get You Out of My Head[edit]

Hi. Okay yes maybe I acted a little too hastily on the five million thing, but a web source I found only lists sales of over five million. (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/yradish/biggest-selling-singles-since-the-year-2000.html). I have no problem with it having more than nine million copies sold but a web source or a source you can click and see for yourself would be much better. Do you have any source that confirms this other than that book? --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 14:48, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Barcelona bid for the 2026 Winter Olympics for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Barcelona bid for the 2026 Winter Olympics is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barcelona bid for the 2026 Winter Olympics until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Green rain[edit]

Hi...since I am a helping contributor I was a bit put off when you reverted all of my edits (at least half would've been nice just for good faith). It's not like I was vandalising or the fact that I done it everywhere (I only aimed capital cities). After all, there are still cities with the green precip boxes (obviously not made me) - shouldn't they be reverted too? Oh, I thought the green precip figures make them standout against the temp lows (which can also be blue in colour).

As I asked on my talkbox, may I add the green colour to the climate boxes of Sydney suburbs - there are only around 6-7 of them. Would that 'hurt'? I believe I did overdo it (I was slightly provoked since I got a 'thank' from a user). So, may I add 'green precip' to the Western Sydney suburbs? Again, Sydney's climate box is green, so why not its suburbs? I'd love to have a chat about it and have your thoughts. Meganesia (talk) 11:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: There was no consensus at. Shouldn't this page apply to you: Don't revert due solely to "no consensus". I believe I can revert most of my additions back, because this wasn't fair. Meganesia (talk) 16:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Meganesia, currently:

  • there is slight consensus
  • previously and also partly currently existed status quo
  • there are still objections, comments, new ideas - there are still discussion (for example violet colour for cold temperatures or other) - so, absolutely should pause of change colours, absolutely unacceptable changes on a large scale (dozens, hundreds changes in articles).
  • in this case works the principle of Wikipedia:CYCLE (edit, revert = discussion and consensus), so.... your edit, revert (for example by me) = must to be discussion and consensus
  • in particular, other (not all, but sufficient that part of the) users (including me) are opposed to your change, so... must to be consensus.

Generally, as you can see (five sentences above), your changes can not be done. Further discussion is in one place - here. Subtropical-man (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Again, the slight consensus comes from the silent consensus from the weather box since it hasn't changed that much. I think for now, stop the colour changes (both of you). Subtropical-man, you stated "I have a big impression that one person spoke with himself above, hmmm." would imply that I am running a sockpuppet account. That is not true. I rarely edit Australian city articles and I have never uploaded any photos yet. You better provide ample evidence for that statement though because accusing someone of sockpuppetry without evidence is wrong. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC) Ssbbplayer,

  • not accusing someone of sockpuppetry
  • "stop the colour changes (both of you)" - no, I not change colour, I just keep watch that no one was doing it. Subtropical-man (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I thought it was. It just seems like it. It was a misunderstanding. Easier to understand now. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

So far, I have seen that violet colours are still supported by a clear the majority and has not been implemented yet. I wonder if it can be done soon? Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Change color from blue to violet in the code of weather infobox - theoretically around one-two days, but we need discussion about radiation/varieties of violet to use. Subtropical-man (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I have restored the discussion on it. It should be up on the talk page by now. Ssbbplayer (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Subtropical-man (talk) 18:38, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Removing Demographia references on Barcelona[edit]

Hi,

I see you've reverted my edit to remove the demographia reference on Barcelona stating "revert - discussion hidden from other users, too early for mass changes"

I would like to point out that the discussion wasn't hidden in any way, and I believe the consensus was that the source was unreliable to be used in articles. Anna Frodesiak was also of the view that the unreliablity was demonstrated by the discussion there. Given that there was nobody disagreeing with removing an unreliable source inserted by a potential COI editor, could you please explain why you reverted me, and if you considered the link to be a source that shouldn't have been removed?

Some clarification would be good in this regard.

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I totally support the removal, as stated here User talk:Anna Frodesiak#Demographia yet again. For the record, I do not think TheOriginalSoni was reckless at all, as he even posted at my talk to be sure.

That thread at RS noticeboard was there until everyone had their say. The archiving time that is set is appropriate. Do you think it should be longer?

Also, what was needed was not a few more voices to even things out. That would not have been enough. The result would have been exclusion due to being disputed with no consensus for inclusion. What was needed was an enormous amount of voices suddenly making an incredible case for inclusion. There was a tiny chance of that. When content, including references, is disputed, the burden is on those who wish it included to get support, not the other way around. That's my position. You are welcome to post again at the RS board, but expect the same results. Respectfully, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:56, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anna Frodesiak
"The archiving time that is set is appropriate. Do you think it should be longer?" - this is not problem, problem is lack of information about discussion about remove the source. I noticed it only when User TheOriginalSoni remove links from articles, despite the fact that the long time I active in the topic - I noticed it after the fact.
Between 250 and 300 pages of en.Wikipedia uses Demographia, few articles based on Demographia (as primary source), currently Demographia is main source about urban areas on Wikipedia (not only English Wikipedia). Quiet and weak compromise is not enough to remove such an important source. Should be inform others users on appropriate talk of articles, to continue the discussion. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Hi, I'm still waiting for you to act per the points Anna noted on my talk page. Please start a new discussion on this issue. I'm otherwise planning to resume the removal of the links in some reasonable time. Thanks, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
    No, please read own talk page, Anna wrote "Start a new post at RS/N" on your talk page. You, or Anna or other, please "Start a new post at RS/N" + "Add a link there to the old discussion in the archives and state that you want open the matter again, and why" + "Consider linking to this thread" + "Let User:Elockid know" + "Post at a bunch of article talk pages that use this source, pointing them to the RS/N discussion". I support it, I oppose for your "Please start a new discussion on this issue. I'm otherwise planning to resume the removal of the links". Subtropical-man (talk) 20:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Err, no. Anna was clearly telling you to start the new thread and state that you want open the matter again, and why, and Consider saving your rationale for that new post. Please start the new thread with your rationale so we can end this problem quickly. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Done. I restart discussion about the source Demographia: World Urban Areas. New discussion is here. Regards. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:18, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Celebrity Net Worth[edit]

I was going by these previous discussions: [1] [2] and the site itself, which disclaims its own accuracy:

"All information presented on CelebrityNetWorth.com is gathered from sources which are thought to be reliable, but the viewer should not assume that such information is up to date or completely accurate or final. CelebrityNetWorth does not assume responsibility for any errors in the information it presents on this site. All information on this site is based solely on public information and is subject to change without notice."

Trivialist (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup in San Diego?[edit]

Hi Subtropical-man, I am Sebastian Wallroth from Berlin, Germany, board member of Wikimedia Deutschland. I am visiting San Diego from February 3rd to February 8th, happily invited to a wedding. I would like to meet Wikipedians. Is there a chance for a Wiki Meetup in San Diego during the first week in February? --Sebastian Wallroth (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Just wondering why an Asian city is included as a European city? Are people here unfamiliar of Geography? It makes the encyclopedia look really silly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.205.65 (talk) 19:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Many Thanks for FINALLY updating the climate data of Istanbul. I have been waiting for this for more than 2 years!! I really appreciate that you included three different graphs showing the three neighborhoods respectively because climate- wise, they are different and including them is a must. Since I assisted to many climate conferences in the UN campus of Bonn (GER), I can tell that the topic "climate of Istanbul" has been lately a hot one. That is, no agreement on the salient climate characteristics of Istanbul has been so far reached because of the complications, which are explained by the borderline climate classification of Istanbul. Now you made it finally clear for us! Many thanks. And I do totally agree with you that Istanbul has a borderline Cfa, Csa and Cfb. Some have said that the Cfb is not present at all. I disagree. Though I would have wished to see the number of precipitation days for the other two graphs (also if possible sunshine hours), I congratulate you for your work. --VMAHALLESI (talk) 16:54, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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PORNBIO[edit]

Hi,

Not sure when you last looked at PORNBIO but your recollection of what it says in that AFD doesn't match what it says now. In fact, I have been around 2006 and some of the stuff you quote is only vaguely ringing a bell. Could I ask you to review the policy as it stands now and consider updating you vote to reflect what it says?Thanks. Spartaz Humbug! 15:44, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Subtropical-man/Pornographic actresses[edit]

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Proposed EU introduction[edit]

Thank you for trying. I have been trying to edit that awful introduction since last year, but unfortunately had to give up. --Erzan (talk) 19:34, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:BRD[edit]

First of all, don't template the regulars. I am well-versed in Wikipedia's customs, guidelines and regulations, so I have no need for you to send me standard, boilerplate notes. Second, please read WP:BRD. The guideline is that any editor can make a bold edit, but any other editor is well within his/her rights to revert that edit; the next step is for you (as the BOLD editor) to start a discussion for others to contribute to. You must not engage in an edit war. Please abide by the regulations and I will have a discussion with you, but if you start an edit war, I will treat you as a disruptive editor. – PeeJay 21:03, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether it's an essay, a guideline, a policy or just something someone wrote on a piece of toilet paper; the editors of Wikipedia mostly abide by WP:BRD, and if I asked anyone from WP:FOOTY about the appropriate course of action here, they would undoubtedly recommend the course of action suggested by that page. Trust me, we both have the same goals at heart here – that is, to make the best encyclopaedia we can – but it just so happens that we have a difference of opinion that other people need to weigh in on. The discussion suggested at WP:BRD isn't for us to hash out the same old arguments again and again, it's for everyone else to have the opportunity to speak without the need for endless edit warring. Now, are you going to play by the rules or not? – PeeJay 21:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
So are you going to start the discussion or not? You want the info included, you have to start the discussion. – PeeJay 20:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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Potential superpowers[edit]

Hello Subtropical-man, you might be interested in a discussion I started here: Talk:Potential superpowers#Should Russia be removed from this article?. Antiochus the Great (talk) 23:26, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

i am not a sock puppet[edit]

why you suspecting me lol?--Crossswords (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Hi, Re your post on my Talk page: If you had read the article's Talk page, you will have noticed that I had already raised the issue for discussion. I did not remove the data, nor did I amend the content of the article other that to add a label as specified in the wiki help pages concerning questionable sources.

As it stands, the comment and the labelling of the article is still relevant; even though the data is available in the PDF documents, the source of the data is not explicate - i.e. the source is not clearly identified in the documents. The documents are also hosted on a site which can not be identifiable as relevant, and has no link to the purported source of the data. In short, the data may be valid, but the citations are not.

In addition, please note that I am not an inexperienced editor, and that it is not appropriate to be making threats. BlueSulla (talk) 15:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Genoa[edit]

Hi! I'm Cirobob (Roberto), the user who removed Leonardo Towers and Gadolla Tower from the list of tallest buildings in Genoa. I posted this message in the talk of the same article too.

Speaking about the Leonardo Towers, they relate to a new hi-tech pole which is giong to be built in the suburbs of Genoa. At a first stage, in 2004, the project was committed to Renzo Piano, who designed the 12 Leonardo Towers. Nevertheless, just a year later, for the design of the executable project, the work passed to the architect Mario Bellini, who planned a different type of district, with many 8-10-store buildings and only two 140m towers, the ones I added to the list (called S-4a and S-4b), which in the article are now mentioned altogether as "Torri degli Erzelli", which means "Erzelli Towers" but they're actually two separate buildings. Since then the preliminary project by Renzo Piano was completely abandoned, while the new one was included in city masterplan. Then in 2009 work started and in 2012 the first building of the plan was built, while the construction of the two towers have to start yet.[1] [2] I apologize not having speaked about the topic before updating the article and actually I can be wrong, however I thought and still think that cancelled projects should not be part of the article.

On the other hand, speaking about Gadolla Tower, actually the project has never been cancelled as Leonardo Tower's one, it just remained a project and in the future it can be reproposed, so in this case I'm almost certain I did a mistake cancelling it.

Let me know what you think about it, Roberto

Rollback[edit]

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Hello, this is just to let you know that I've granted you Rollback rights. Just remember:

If you have any questions, please do let me know.

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:48, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you :) Subtropical-man talk
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15:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Southeast Europe[edit]

I've already provided a reliable source from CIA that put Croatia within Southeast Europe under Geography section Croatia Noseamuseos (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

The same user continues to revert reliable source. What can I do? I am new here and do not want to play the nonstop revert game. Could you provide some help if possible? Thanks in advance. Noseamuseos (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

All the Lovers[edit]

Hi subtropical-man,

For some reasons you reverted the edit I did yesterday and I would like to know why. If it was concerning the sales figure I added, I would understand, but InfoDisc has been used in some of Kylie's articles. However I think the clean up is pretty justified as the template:singlechart is easier to work with and adding refnames in each chart entries makes the code less tedious as manually typing refences would become useless. I hope you understand. I wouldn't be editing articles without a reason.

Thanks!

hkl1204 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkl1204 (talkcontribs) 19:13, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

"PS. After analyzing your edits we (other users) can be inferred, that you is sockpuppet. You can not use more than one account, this is prohibited. Subtropical-man talk (en-2) 17:38, 9 August 2014 (UTC)"

That is just a deliberate attack - I have no relation to 'sockpuppet', I also doubt any others have come to that conclusion. BlueSulla (talk)

Proposed deletion of Adventure science fiction[edit]

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Re:Proposed deletion of Adventure science fiction[edit]

I will find the correct deletion tag sometime later and add it so there can be a voted deletion.--Taeyebaar (talk) 04:00, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Limassol November mean temperature[edit]

The lower mean is 13.5, not 15.5. 18.5 was correct (both in the article and in the source). 83.168.23.138 (talk) 00:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

thanks. Subtropical-man talk
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No worries. 83.168.23.138 (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Limassol[edit]

Why did you revert my edit here? 213.7.22.7 (talk) 02:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Decision to delete article Jayden James[edit]

His, you voted keep in the AFD for Jayden James. There currently is an article review (Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 December 26) regarding the decision to delete the article about Jayden James. Perhaps you want to join the discussion? – user:fdewaele

Climate normals for Valencia and other Spanish Cities[edit]

Hello You changed the climate table for Valencia back to the 2001-2010 normals. 1. There is no source for these 2001-2010 normals. 2.The source for my 1981-2010 climate normals can be downloaded here http://www.aemet.es/es/conocermas/publicaciones/detalles/Valores_normales 3. I think 10 years are too short of a time period for climatic averages. I will now change them back too 1981-2010 normals, but if you have a source for these 2001-2010 normals you can change them back.

Guajara3718 (talk) 18:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Ad 1. There is source for these 2001-2010 normals. Ad 2. Your source is unverifiable, in application, during showing data, pops up error Ad 3. I thing 30 years are too long a time period for climatic averages because 30 years ago the climate was different, ideal period is about 15 last years~(2000-2014 is ideal period). Ad 4. you've done a few bugs in the sources, I had to improve. Subtropical-man talk
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19:33, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

hello[edit]

may i ask why did u revert my edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malinkimuk (talkcontribs) 00:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

do u know that On October 2, 2006, Georgia and the European Union signed a joint statement on the agreed text of the Georgia-European Union Action Plan within the European Neighbourhood Policy. in every juridical document Georgia is celebrated as Europe , so i thought Tbilisi as its capital could be in The list..... anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malinkimuk (talkcontribs) 01:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Northern part of Georgia is situated in Europe. look at the map — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malinkimuk (talkcontribs) 01:27, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok dude — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malinkimuk (talkcontribs) 01:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

You recently undid my edits for LUZs. I understand why you did so. However, it is entirely uncontroversial to list EU LUZs separately from others as that's what the page is about. The debates around Turkey, etc. have been interminable and frankly racist. At least this is a solution that keeps everyone on the same page.

I'll put it in talk. Can you support it? thanks, (Stpaul (talk) 11:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC))

Simply. This article is about "larger urban zones", no matter whether they are in the EU or not. Areas for only EU? Ok, see: Largest urban areas of the European Union, including urban areas in the European Union and nowhere else. Subtropical-man talk
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12:17, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Churches at List of tallest buildings in Malta[edit]

Why did you separate the churches from the other buildings within the list?--Xwejnusgozo (talk) 23:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Xwejnusgozo: because skyscrapers and churches are (two) various types of structures. You might as well add chimneys ;) No, in most articles in Wikipedia, article of List of tallest buildings in... is skyscrapers, and churches is removed from article. Subtropical-man talk
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23:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Discuss before reverting[edit]

Please stop making unilateral changes to the London page! A thoughtful discussion occurred on the talk page about somehow moving (or perhaps even amalgamating) the second paragraph to the top, so your moving it even lower flies in the face of that discussion and also of WP:CON. If you have anything to contribute, I invite you to DISCUSS on the talk page before editing. NorthernFactoid (talk) 17:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

European Union[edit]

I suggest you explain your edits on the article talk page. The page worked to everyone's satisfaction, so far as anyone knew, before your edits. Now, it doesn't. If there is a technical reason for your edit, you need to explain it. The problem is that, with your edit, the page now looks crap. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Reinserting original research[edit]

Kindly refrain from non-constructive edits like this [3]. Your edit looks very much like vandalism. Not only do you reinsert unsourced claims without providing a source, you even remove the tag. These figures had been tagged for five years, removing them was long overdue. Wikipedia operates with sourced facts, not personal opinions.Jeppiz (talk) 18:21, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Weather box[edit]

I see you restored the incorrect information to the weather box but didn't bother to take part in the discussion at Template talk:Weather box#Tweaks and corrections. If you had you would have noticed that "Average high temperature during the day (average maximum daytime temperature)" and "Average low temperature at night (average minimum night-time temperature)" does not apply to every country in the world. Those two statements indicate that the temperatures are only from a certain part of the 24 hour period and that part of the period called day or night is undefined. Because of your restoration of those phrases all the weather boxes for Australia, Canada and the United States are incorrect. None of those countries use a partial 24 hour period to obtain their maximum and minimum temperatures and for all I know there may be others. Do you know which countries use part of the 24 hour period for their maximum and minimum? CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 21:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Good work on helping to save articles listed for deletion. Keep it up. Trout71 (talk) 16:03, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1179239
  2. ^ http://www.infobuild.it/progetti/parco-scientifico-tecnologico-degli-erzelli/