User talk:Surtsicna

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Succession box in the Princess Madeleine[edit]

DYK for 1321 leper scare[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Spanish monarchs[edit]

I can't help anymore at the Spanish monarchy related articles, as I'm on probation 'til May 2015. Just wanted to wish ya good luck, in keeping things accurate. GoodDay (talk) 19:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I wonder if people who write that he ascended on 19 June are really unaware that it's still 18 June. Surtsicna (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I do believe, John Charles I was deposed by Wikipedia, a few hours before his abdication :) GoodDay (talk) 22:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Empress Matilda[edit]

This is a note to let the main editors of Empress Matilda know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on July 2, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at present, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 2, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Seal of the Empress Matilda

Empress Matilda (1102–1167) was the claimant to the English throne during the civil war known as the Anarchy. The daughter of King Henry I of England, she moved to Germany to marry the future Holy Roman Emperor Henry V. Her younger brother, William Adelin, died in 1120, leaving a succession crisis, and on Henry V's death in 1125, her father arranged for her to marry Geoffrey of Anjou in a strategic alliance. Henry I nominated Matilda as his heir before his death in 1135, but Matilda and Geoffrey faced opposition from the Norman barons and the throne was instead taken by her cousin Stephen of Blois. In 1139 Matilda crossed to England to take the kingdom by force. She captured Stephen at the Battle of Lincoln in 1141, but London crowds blocked her attempt to be crowned and she was never formally declared Queen of England. Robert of Gloucester, her half-brother, was captured, and Matilda exchanged him for Stephen. A stalemate developed. Matilda returned to Normandy in 1148, leaving her eldest son (later Henry II) to continue the campaign. Thereafter she focused on the administration of Normandy, provided her son with political advice, and worked extensively with the Church. (Full article...)

You (and your talk-page stalkers) may also be interested to hear that there have been some changes at the TFA requests page recently. Nominators no longer need to calculate how many "points" an article has, the instructions have been simplified, and there's a new nomination system using templates based on those used for DYK suggestions. Please consider nominating another article, or commenting on an existing nomination, and leaving some feedback on your experience. Thank you. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Spanish Royal Family[edit]

I'm not sure your last edit to the Spanish Royal Family, in that it now has the current King's sisters and their families listed. The lede has a referenced source that only the King, his spouse, his children and his parents are in the "Royal Family," which would leave the sisters and their families in the extended family section. What do you think? JCO312 (talk) 17:20, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. "The King of Spain, the monarch's spouse, the monarch's parents and their children, and the heir to the Spanish throne." If the royal family includes Felipe's parents and their children, that would mean that Elena and Cristina are still members of the royal family, no? Now, this is obviously a mistranslation, but I am not sure that the reference says anything about who comprises the royal family anyway.

En el Registro Civil de la Familia Real se inscribirán los nacimientos, matrimonios y defunciones, así como cualquier otro hecho o acto inscribible con arreglo a la legislación sobre Registro Civil, que afecten al Rey de España, su Augusta Consorte, sus ascendentes de primer grado, sus descendientes y al Príncipe heredero de la Corona.

Surtsicna (talk) 17:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For stepping in on the witch hunt of IslamicrevialistmMujahid. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 03:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I stepped in because I saw a user revert his edits saying there was no "evidence" for it, despite there clearly being a reference in the article itself. For what it's worth, the article consists of a single paragraph, and reading it would have taken less time than reverting the edit. Surtsicna (talk) 08:34, 25 June 2014 (UTC)



Per BRD you should discuss your edit (diff) when reverted, not edit war. Please revert yourself.

Don't confuse English langauge title and alternative name with local official language translations. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Per common sense you should provide a reason for reverting an edit rather than merely require me to ask for a blessing at the talk page. I don't think there is anything to confuse. The article title is the subject of the lead sentence, followed immediately by the other name. See Luxembourg (Belgium), where "Luxembourg" is not repeated as the official French name; same with Namur, Liège, and others. Surtsicna (talk) 09:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Alternative English language name ≠ name translation. There are two English language names for this place. Ferizaj and Uroševac. With your edit you deleted alternative name. The only alternative name. That is exactly what I wrote in my edit (undo per BRD - Don't delete only alternative name. Please respect BRD and revert yourself.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
How exactly is the example of Ferizaj different from the examples I gave? Surtsicna (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Typo in category link[edit]

Hello — I noticed that one of your talk page archives ended up in a mainspace article category. The note titled Maria Alexandrovna (Marie of Hesse) unintentionally puts User talk:Surtsicna/Archive 7 into Category:Russian tsarinas. Shall I make the one-character fix? I didn't want to edit your page, especially an archive, without asking first. Face-smile.svg  Unician   23:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I'll do it now that you told me about it, but you should have been bold :) I would have had no reason (nor right) to object. Anyway, thanks for letting me know! Surtsicna (talk) 10:03, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


You should ease off on the reverting. I generally restrict myself to 2 or less within a 24hr period, per article :) GoodDay (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

A wise strategy, given that your long block was only recently lifted. I am not aware of breaking the 3RR recently, however. Thanks for advice anyway. Surtsicna (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Language spoken by Tesla[edit]

Can you please direct me to the discussion you were referencing, so I do not open the new one. I do not see how Tesla could have spoken Serbo-Croatian language since that term was introduces in Yugoslavia, years after Tesla became American citizen. I apologize for reverting you, however your explanation was far from adequate. Asdisis (talk) 18:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree, my edit summary was inappropriate and I apologize for it. Apparently, the consensus of scholars is that the language spoken by Bosnians, Croats, Montenegrins and Serbs should be called Serbo-Croatian. The name "Serbo-Croatian" dates from 1824 (Jacob Grimm is to be thanked for it), not from the Yugoslav period. That is irrelevant anyway, since a medieval countryman of Tesla's would also be said to have spoken Serbo-Croatian. Surtsicna (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
That's the point. My premise was just the opposite, that Tesla's countryman of that time would not state his language as Serbo-Croatian. I must admit that I haven't known that the term "Serbo-Croatian" language had been introduces in 19th century. However, I think that this introduction was not generally accepted. I quote: "Unofficially, Serbs and Croats typically called the language "Serbian" or "Croatian", respectively, without implying a distinction between the two". The quote and the referenced sources are provided Here. You probably know that changes in linguistics are one of the hardest to introduce to general public. Thus I think that Tesla's countryman would not say he speaks "Serbo-Croatian". He would simply say Croatian or Serbian, depending of nationality. I think it would be advisable to make my suggested edit. Asdisis (talk) 00:34, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
But it doesn't matter what term the person used. We say "Spanish" even though its speaker call[ed] it castellano (Castilian), or "Old English" even though Anglo-Saxons certainly didn't call it that. We use the term used by scholars. There is no "linguistic change" here; it's simply the matter of name. Surtsicna (talk) 09:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
But I don't think that the scholars use that term. Certainly not today, and I do not think they used it back then, except for few of them. Asdisis (talk) 13:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
It appears that they do indeed use it today. Whether they used it back then is irrelevant; as I said, the Anglo-Saxons did not call their language "Old English". If you believe that the term is not used today, please post at Talk:Serbo-Croatian language. Surtsicna (talk) 15:21, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
As I know it, it is not used in Croatia nor Serbia. However I know that the therm Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS) is used today outside in EU administration. Serbo-Croatian is not used. I do not think that the term used today should be used in the article. Maybe I will post as you suggested, however Tesla's native language should be resolved. Asdisis (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Is English spoken in Croatia or Serbia? This Wikipedia is in English, and thus uses names used in English. They don't use the terms "Croatia" and "Serbia" in those countries either - so what? "Serbo-Croatian" is supposedly used by English-speaking scholars. If you have evidence that the term "Serbo-Croatian" is not favored by anglophone academics, please present it at the said talk page. Surtsicna (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
And what is your remark regarding Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS), which is extensively used today? Asdisis (talk) 01:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
We should probably use whichever term is most common. Surtsicna (talk) 09:36, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
That would be BCS. I think that this term is most common today, since its extensively used in EU administration. Asdisis (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Not really, since EU administration is not composed of English-speaking authorities on linguistics. Surtsicna (talk) 14:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Really? I hard BCS used many times, while Serbo-Croatian not a single time since the breakup of Yugoslavia. Well, not to go too deep...So the language spoken by Tesla should be stated by its present name? Is that your opinion or that is the practice on Wikipedia? I'm not too familiar. Asdisis (talk) 19:27, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I, on the other hand, constantly hear about "Serbo-Croatian" and never about "Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian"! And get this: I hear about "Bosnian" even more often! That, of course, is irrelevant. The practice on Wikipedia is to use English, i.e. use whichever name is used in relevant, authoritative and respectable English language sources. The consensus appears to be that "Serbo-Croatian" is such a name. If you disagree with the consensus, you are welcome to dispute it. Surtsicna (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. Best regards. Asdisis (talk) 01:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi Surtsicna, would you be willing to sign up to Wp:WikiProject Channel Islands? Thanks, Matty.007 11:25, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I have never really signed up to a WikiProject. I prefer "freelancing" :D I will hop around though! Surtsicna (talk) 16:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Retitling of German nobles[edit]

I see you've reverted a large number of my moves without even bothering to notify me. I raised this question several days ago here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#Anglicising_names_of_nobles and received no objections. How about you discuss it with me before mass reverting? Colonies Chris (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I reacted to your moves much the same way - you hadn't notified anyone who regularly edits articles related to royalty and nobility. Surely Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility would have been better, more sensible venues to discuss this matter. It is hardly surprising that you received neither support nor opposition at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Biography, as few people there are interested in the issue. In fact, how many actual discussions do you see there? Surtsicna (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Hanover Princes[edit]

Hi. I notice you've gone through and reverted a number of my edits, noting that all the titles used by the Hanoverian princes are in pretense. The difference between the English and Hanover royal family is that the Hanover throne was discontinued, so all descendants are the primary "pretenders". In the case of England, the royal family is extant, there are current princes, it's just the Hanoverians aren't amongst them. It's not correct to describe them as princes of England. Metebelis (talk) 13:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

But it's no less correct than to describe them as princes of Hanover. They claim all those titles and are equally entitled to all of them. I know that some would argue that they are British princes more than they are Hanoverian princes, since a) the state of Hanover no longer exists, b) the UK not only exists, but exists as a monarchy whereas Germay is a republic, and they are members of its previous ruling dynasty. Their claim to these titles should, of course, be explained in each article. Surtsicna (talk) 15:54, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok (though I'd say equally not-entitled), I'll update the articles to explain the status of the claims. I'll clarify the difference between those who did have the titles (pre-1917) and lost them, and those who never were entitled to them. Metebelis (talk) 06:29, 18 July 2014 (UTC)