User talk:Surtsicna

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Succession box in the Princess Madeleine[edit]

Language spoken by Tesla[edit]

Can you please direct me to the discussion you were referencing, so I do not open the new one. I do not see how Tesla could have spoken Serbo-Croatian language since that term was introduces in Yugoslavia, years after Tesla became American citizen. I apologize for reverting you, however your explanation was far from adequate. Asdisis (talk) 18:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree, my edit summary was inappropriate and I apologize for it. Apparently, the consensus of scholars is that the language spoken by Bosnians, Croats, Montenegrins and Serbs should be called Serbo-Croatian. The name "Serbo-Croatian" dates from 1824 (Jacob Grimm is to be thanked for it), not from the Yugoslav period. That is irrelevant anyway, since a medieval countryman of Tesla's would also be said to have spoken Serbo-Croatian. Surtsicna (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
That's the point. My premise was just the opposite, that Tesla's countryman of that time would not state his language as Serbo-Croatian. I must admit that I haven't known that the term "Serbo-Croatian" language had been introduces in 19th century. However, I think that this introduction was not generally accepted. I quote: "Unofficially, Serbs and Croats typically called the language "Serbian" or "Croatian", respectively, without implying a distinction between the two". The quote and the referenced sources are provided Here. You probably know that changes in linguistics are one of the hardest to introduce to general public. Thus I think that Tesla's countryman would not say he speaks "Serbo-Croatian". He would simply say Croatian or Serbian, depending of nationality. I think it would be advisable to make my suggested edit. Asdisis (talk) 00:34, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
But it doesn't matter what term the person used. We say "Spanish" even though its speaker call[ed] it castellano (Castilian), or "Old English" even though Anglo-Saxons certainly didn't call it that. We use the term used by scholars. There is no "linguistic change" here; it's simply the matter of name. Surtsicna (talk) 09:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
But I don't think that the scholars use that term. Certainly not today, and I do not think they used it back then, except for few of them. Asdisis (talk) 13:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
It appears that they do indeed use it today. Whether they used it back then is irrelevant; as I said, the Anglo-Saxons did not call their language "Old English". If you believe that the term is not used today, please post at Talk:Serbo-Croatian language. Surtsicna (talk) 15:21, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
As I know it, it is not used in Croatia nor Serbia. However I know that the therm Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS) is used today outside in EU administration. Serbo-Croatian is not used. I do not think that the term used today should be used in the article. Maybe I will post as you suggested, however Tesla's native language should be resolved. Asdisis (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Is English spoken in Croatia or Serbia? This Wikipedia is in English, and thus uses names used in English. They don't use the terms "Croatia" and "Serbia" in those countries either - so what? "Serbo-Croatian" is supposedly used by English-speaking scholars. If you have evidence that the term "Serbo-Croatian" is not favored by anglophone academics, please present it at the said talk page. Surtsicna (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
And what is your remark regarding Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS), which is extensively used today? Asdisis (talk) 01:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
We should probably use whichever term is most common. Surtsicna (talk) 09:36, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
That would be BCS. I think that this term is most common today, since its extensively used in EU administration. Asdisis (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Not really, since EU administration is not composed of English-speaking authorities on linguistics. Surtsicna (talk) 14:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Really? I hard BCS used many times, while Serbo-Croatian not a single time since the breakup of Yugoslavia. Well, not to go too deep...So the language spoken by Tesla should be stated by its present name? Is that your opinion or that is the practice on Wikipedia? I'm not too familiar. Asdisis (talk) 19:27, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I, on the other hand, constantly hear about "Serbo-Croatian" and never about "Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian"! And get this: I hear about "Bosnian" even more often! That, of course, is irrelevant. The practice on Wikipedia is to use English, i.e. use whichever name is used in relevant, authoritative and respectable English language sources. The consensus appears to be that "Serbo-Croatian" is such a name. If you disagree with the consensus, you are welcome to dispute it. Surtsicna (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. Best regards. Asdisis (talk) 01:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi Surtsicna, would you be willing to sign up to Wp:WikiProject Channel Islands? Thanks, Matty.007 11:25, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I have never really signed up to a WikiProject. I prefer "freelancing" :D I will hop around though! Surtsicna (talk) 16:41, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Retitling of German nobles[edit]

I see you've reverted a large number of my moves without even bothering to notify me. I raised this question several days ago here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#Anglicising_names_of_nobles and received no objections. How about you discuss it with me before mass reverting? Colonies Chris (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I reacted to your moves much the same way - you hadn't notified anyone who regularly edits articles related to royalty and nobility. Surely Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility would have been better, more sensible venues to discuss this matter. It is hardly surprising that you received neither support nor opposition at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Biography, as few people there are interested in the issue. In fact, how many actual discussions do you see there? Surtsicna (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Hanover Princes[edit]

Hi. I notice you've gone through and reverted a number of my edits, noting that all the titles used by the Hanoverian princes are in pretense. The difference between the English and Hanover royal family is that the Hanover throne was discontinued, so all descendants are the primary "pretenders". In the case of England, the royal family is extant, there are current princes, it's just the Hanoverians aren't amongst them. It's not correct to describe them as princes of England. Metebelis (talk) 13:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

But it's no less correct than to describe them as princes of Hanover. They claim all those titles and are equally entitled to all of them. I know that some would argue that they are British princes more than they are Hanoverian princes, since a) the state of Hanover no longer exists, b) the UK not only exists, but exists as a monarchy whereas Germay is a republic, and they are members of its previous ruling dynasty. Their claim to these titles should, of course, be explained in each article. Surtsicna (talk) 15:54, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok (though I'd say equally not-entitled), I'll update the articles to explain the status of the claims. I'll clarify the difference between those who did have the titles (pre-1917) and lost them, and those who never were entitled to them. Metebelis (talk) 06:29, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Help for a non-English user trying to write English articles.[edit]

Yahadzija has been writing articles that are essentially non-coherent. Vrbanjci and Čudnić are the latest two. They are currently asking everywhere why I removed 20 references that sourced one sentence... I think. I haven't an idea what their user page is supposed to mean. Could you help out? Bgwhite (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

How exactly can I help? Frankly, that whole thing is too bizarre for me to know what to do. Surtsicna (talk) 09:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
I was guessing they were Bosnian. I saw your name on WikiProject Bosnia and Herzegovina and that you understood Cyrillic (via your userpage). I was hoping you or somebody you knew could talk to them in their native language. About 1/2 of their articles have been deleted outright. The rest have various problems, depending on how other people jumped in and edited them. I guess best case scenario is somebody can guide them to be productive in fixing articles. Worst case is to say their native language Wikipedia would be better for them to edit. Bgwhite (talk) 09:58, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Ah, yes, I see. Pardon me, it should have been obvious! I didn't know my name was on WP Bosnia and Herzegovina. Is it on the talk page or on a list of members? I don't recall joining. Anyway, I'll leave her or him a message, but I somehow doubt it will have much effect - probably because I've been dealing with a similarly incomprehensible user for half a year, who flatly refuses to respond. Surtsicna (talk) 13:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Your name was on the talk page. There wasn't much on the talk page, but there was a big discussion on Latin vs Cyrillic in Bosnia. You sounded the most sane and level-headed person, so you are the Chosen One. <cue angels singing> Sitush has also stepped in to help. He regularly deals with the is problem in India related articles. Looks like the same person has been doing articles on the Hungarian Wikipedia too, with the same outcome. Bgwhite (talk) 22:47, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
This person's first language is not Bosnian. The message she or he left below was almost certainly translated using Google Translate or another online translator. Surtsicna (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Zdravo ga i Tebi[edit]

Većinu "voleja" sam smjestuo u pravi ugao. A kada si već tako benevolentan - zašto ne priskoćiš u pomoć? Inače, na sam dovršio ciklus priloga o svom zavičaju, pa ko pomogne - pomogne! Sada nije do mene. Znam odgovor na pitanje (sebi): šta si ti uradio da ne bude tako. Sve o čemu pišem dobro poznajem (inače to i ne bih radio), a i ovih dana sam provjerio "na terenu"! Sve je na broju i u stanju o kojem govorim!

Stojte mi zdravo i veselo (ako pomognete: još zdravije i veselije!!!), With best regards,

Yahadzija (talk) 14:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I saw that you uploaded an image of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall from Flickr. Can't you find a free image of Diana, Princess of Wales on Flickr? So we can have a better image than the current one.Keivan.fTalk 19:35, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I'm afraid that's unlikely. The relevant difference between Camilla and Diana is that the latter died 17 years ago, 7 years ago before Flickr. Surtsicna (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot to note that there are dozens of free images of wax sculptures of Diana. I doubt those would be suitable for the infobox, though :D Surtsicna (talk) 11:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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DYK nomination of Anna Rüling[edit]

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Co-Princes of Andorra[edit]

Hello, Surtsicna. I'm looking for help editing the infobox of the co-princes article, which has two issues. It's grammatically garbled (two people can't be "His . . . Highness", they would have to be "Their . . . Highnesses", and it's highly doubtful that Serene Highness is even the accepted form of address for the co-princes. I've already raised the issue on the talk page, and have now reached the point where I want to boldly remove that caption completely, but find that I am unable to. Too much is filled in automatically from somewhere I can't get my delete finger on it. I'm approaching you because you've already raised the issue, and in the hopes that you're more tech savvy than I am and can either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself. Hope it's not a bother! Awien (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

No, of course not. In my humble opinion, if an infobox cannot be accurate, it should be removed altogether. It is certainly not worth presenting incorrect information. I'll see if I can make it work, though. Surtsicna (talk) 16:23, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Great! Thanks! Awien (talk) 16:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Great edit summary too! Awien (talk) 16:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Hahaha, you are welcome and thanks! I was trying not to hurt the infobox's feelings. Surtsicna (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)