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Upcoming Wikipedia meetups[edit]

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In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota meetups.

To kick-off monthly meetups in the Twin Cities, two events will be held in Special Collections at Minneapolis Central Library this summer. These are mostly planned as opportunities for Wikipedians to discuss editing, but all are welcome!

Special Collections contains many valuable historical resources, including the Minneapolis Collection, consisting of files on hundreds of topics related to Minneapolis from neighborhoods to politicians (it's best to call or email in advance to request materials). Free wifi and several public computers are available.

Place: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis
Special Collections (4th floor)
Dates: Saturday, June 1
Saturday, July 6
Time: 12:30pm–2:30pm+

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page.

This invitation was sent to users who were interested in past events. If you don't want to receive future invitations, you can remove your name from the invite list.innotata 14:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

In the news[edit]

Danger High voltage! 00:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Jeffrey Lieberman[edit]

Hi Stifle. Can you please verify that this photo is released by Columbia University with OTRS TicketID=3427654? Thank you. I found your note on the talk page for Dr. Lieberman. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it looks to be fine. Stifle (talk) 21:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Siri Engberg[edit]

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DSM-5/NIMH Edits[edit]

I really liked your edits to DSM-5/Criticism/NIMH, including your deletion of the "long rambling description of RDoC", written by yours truly. I laughed when I read your reason for editing, because your characterization was so accurate! ;o) I was trying avoid long quotes and describe something in my own words, but in retrospect it was a mess. A good learning experience for me. I also appreciate all the excellent additions you've made to the DSM-5 article. Mark D Worthen PsyD 14:36, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. You could start a new article about RDoC using everything I deleted. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:36, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
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First San Diego Comic-Con International meetup location renewed discussion[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/LA/SDCC1#Location. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

wp:errors[edit]

Don't be so damnably patronising. Kevin McE (talk) 12:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. And I think your energy should be on the item in question, not on my talk page. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll decide where I spend my energy. Taking upon yourself to head a section as English Language, and then suggesting that something very simple might be difficult to understand is exceedingly patronising, and highly inappropriate. Kevin McE (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you are going to be reported for harassment. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

[Archiving revert to North Yorkshire (is already and better covered by Harrogate and RAF Menwith Hill). But more generally, archiving WP:ERRORS which is swept clean frequently.]

PRISM at In The News[edit]

Hi, Susan. I thought your suggestion of "Leaked documents identify the US National Security Agency's PRISM program as using surveillance of user data from major technology companies" was a big improvement over what's there. E.B. White told me that active voice was preferable to passive voice. (Don't let them get you down!) --108.45.72.196 (talk) 23:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

PRISM[edit]

Thanks for your comments on this blurb. There's evidently something going on here beside a desire to be clear about undisputed facts. μηδείς (talk) 23:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

NSA stuff[edit]

nice work. is the yorkshire NSA center at RAF Menwith Hill? maybe you can link menwith hill from the yorkshire article? Decora (talk) 01:08, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Wiknic Poway / San Diego[edit]

Join us this Saturday for the Great American Wiknic!

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You are invited to the Wikipedia:Meetup/Poway/Wiknic/2013/ at Old Poway Park next to the Poway–Midland Railroad in Poway. We would love to see you there, so sign up and bring something fun for the potluck! :)

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Sorry for the late invitation, I just recently found out about it and kind of took it on. I hope to meet you there! Jim1138 (talk) 17:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Another historical image of the NSA headquarters[edit]

Hi, Susan!

I notice you uploaded an image of the old NSA headquarters from http://www.nsa.gov/about/cryptologic_heritage/60th/book/NSA_60th_Anniversary.pdf - There's another image at Page 43 (23 of 62) of an NSA headquarters, and one at Page 52 (28 of 62) - Would you mind uploading those? Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 06:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

May I ask why you are asking me? I have a full schedule until Tuesday and think the photos are unremarkable, but maybe I'm missing something. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, I asked because you extracted the first one from the PDF, and I think those photos would be very valuable for the Wikimedia Commons collection as it shows the progression of the NSA headquarters through the years. Alternatively, how did you extract the first image? WhisperToMe (talk) 06:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, thank you for explaining. Just take a screenshot. (Wikipedia's article seems to have instructions for most every operating system.)
Now that we're talking, it might be a good thing to coordinate a little bit on the NSA article. I started to work on it because I thought that by now it should at least be clear about the physical locations of the agency. The first part, if you don't scroll down too far, seems to be in pretty good shape. I cut the Echelon section way back. I also had to add "refimprove" tags to every section that has no citations. (Other sections might also need sources but those stood out.) So when and if we get time, maybe we could work on citing every section? I think NSA should be at least a B class, if not a GA. It's in a lot better shape since we started to flesh it out. Thank you very much for your work so far! -SusanLesch (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
You are welcome! I knew about the print screen button on IBM compatible computers, but I wasn't sure if you were using another method. Anyhow, I can help you out in a few days in finding sources or writing sections. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Question about NSA headquarters[edit]

Susan,

The NSA picture gallery here includes the National Vigilance Park and the Cryptologic Museum. Are they "on" NSA property? If so I would include them in the NSA headquarters commons category. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Wow, it looks like you uncovered a great trove of free photos. I would guess that being listed in that gallery does not necessarily relate to location "on" NSA property. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
This one which is NSA property looks amazing. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Wow! What index did you get that photo from? I want to know the document title so I can upload it. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I uploaded it this morning, and put it in the infobox because it looks like a set for a TV game show. It came from NSA/CSS 60th Anniversary Timeline - 2000s. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Citation needed[edit]

What information needs a citation, additional citation or better citation, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Security_Agency&diff=next&oldid=564518866 User:Fred Bauder Talk 15:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

This discussion belongs on the article talk page, not here. I posted my reply at Talk:National_Security_Agency#Citation_needed. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

San Diego Comic-Con International meetup[edit]

Still planning on attending tomorrow / Wednesday 3-5? I'll be there. I'm not sure how we will meet up. Email me and I'll give you my cell phone and description if you would like. Hope to see you at Johnny Brown's! Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/SDCC1 Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 08:39, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Jim1138. See you there. Sorry my bus will be about 15 mins late. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for attending the Wikipedia meetup. Hope that we can work together in the future on Wikipedia, and will see you at another meetup.
Also, thanks for the message on my talk page. I need to read the paper to see how the author of it came to the conclusion of the different averages on IQ test of the studies participants. I have to wonder if the results have been found to hold true in other large studies. Either way, it does explain, and increase my understanding of, why individuals who support affirmative action do so. I hold my personal opinions regarding that subject, but that of course is OR unless I get it published in an RS ;-) .--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Minnesota Wikipedia Meetup on August 3[edit]

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In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota monthly meetup on August 3.

Place: Lavvu Coffee House
813 4th St SE, Minneapolis 55414
Date: Saturday, August 3
Time: 1:00pm-3:00pm+

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page.

This invitation was sent to users who were interested in past events. If you don't want to receive future invitations, you can remove your name from the invite list.

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DYK for Thomas Fluharty[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Minneapolis[edit]

Susan, thanks for your introduction on my talk page. Re your undos of my edit of the Media section (and creation of a new section), can you explain what does not appear constructive? I removed the NYT reference because it isn't relevant to the section. The new Popular culture section I created afforded an appropriate place for the information I moved there that doesn't relate to Minneapolis media for which the Media section appears intended. 55401612MSP (talk) 04:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Over the years, a number of people have tried to insert the nickname "Murderapolis", usually in the Government section. Sorry to be hypersensitive about it but what we have is a true story (in part, a failure of Minneapolis media).
  • Thank you for your other edits, which were very constructive and helpful. Everybody will benefit from the corrected date on Temple Israel, and the corrected radio stations. Best wishes, -SusanLesch (talk) 15:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I understand your sensitivity to edits of an article you clearly have put much attention and work into. I can live without a new section, although I believe the cited trivia guideline applies to the text that I moved, even though the facts don't live in such a section; one-time auditions for TV shows and actors on a TV show aren't core to the city's essence and don't qualify as media under the Media section. At best, those items are a stretch and at worst are trivia, and should either be deleted or moved elsewhere. The "Murderapolis" citation is just a fish out of water. Agreed, it is true but it doesn't belong in that section in any context; even the existing text vaguely explains how the reference was bastardized, which both stylistically and factually weakens inclusion. If the item, a passing blip on the radar of the city's history, is that important to be included in the article (I would say there are far more important, interesting and pertinent facts we can find) it needs clarity and context - and placement elsewhere (and if it is repeatedly added to the article that simply requires greater diligence in policing it back out; just because people keep adding it doesn't mean it has to be shoehorned into the article). It doesn't belong in the Media section, which, like other sections in the article, describes and discusses the entities and their activities that fall under its part. I would strongly request that you, as an invested editor of this article, reconsider these passages for improvement. It's clear you want this article to be the best it can be and I think that addressing them is in that interest. 55401612MSP (talk) 17:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your comments which I will keep in mind. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR RFC[edit]

There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:33, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Bank rate[edit]

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Bank rate, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. greenrd (talk) 17:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I worked on the Bankrate article and have no input on this one. Thanks for the heads up though. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:34, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

About that Monte Marshall reference at San Diego[edit]

I wasn't planning to remove it, since I have appealed the tag, and I think it will turn out to have been a false positive on the part of the bot. At least in the meantime we don't have that big ugly banner at the top of our Good Article! --MelanieN (talk) 00:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Good for you! I pretty much stopped trying to swim upstream but wish you good luck with your appeal. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Keith Alexander[edit]

Hi Susan,

You made this edit on June 15, 2013 in which you incorrectly changed Keith Alexander's MS in business administration to an MBA. Both Keith Alexander's official NSA biography and the Washington Post say that he has an MS in business administration (not an MBA) from Boston University. It is not safe for you to assume that all business administration master's degrees are MBA's. --JHP (talk) 03:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the correction. I trust the article was, however, improved by lowercasing Alexander's subjects of study. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:10, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

ITNC[edit]

Please do not refactor others people's comments . That is grounds for a block.(Lihaas (talk) 19:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)).

Kindly contribute to the Doris Lessing article if you would. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I am so glad[edit]

you didn't take my comment as hostile. I have enjoyed reading your contributions here. μηδείς (talk) 04:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Medeis, I searched Google for almost 15 minutes and couldn't find the answer to that one. It looked a little better than my original, "(if not her, who?)". Thank you very much for righting my wrong! -SusanLesch (talk) 05:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I'd actually have stuck with your original, funny enough. Look at disjunctive pronoun. People tend to use her, rather than she, when the nominative case would technically be correct, when the pronoun doesn't stand in subject-initial place. "Is Mom here yet?" "That's her at the door now." Technically that should be "That's she at the door now." But almost no one actually speaks that way. So, in the her-who combination, the less marked forms are used. The use of whom and she draws enough attention I could imagine a joke on the Simpsons, with someone giving a speech, and saying, "if not her, who?" "That is I mean to say, 'If not she, whom.'" See this 5 sec clip. μηδείς (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Did you study linguistics in school? Sorry but the buck stops with somebody else. I leave the fine points to people who can remember exactly how to defend them. My mother would have given this at least a college try too, but neither one of us could say with your assurance. The future depends on you! -SusanLesch (talk) 15:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, although my undergraduate majors were in biology and philosophy, and my research now is in comparative and historical linguistics. Glad this was of interest. μηδείς (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Could you glance at some DSM-5 edits[edit]

Hello SusanLesch; Your name on the DSM-5 edit page indicated you might have the actual manual available. On the Schizophrenia Talk page, there is a list of DSM-5 transition edits identified for upgrade from DMS-4 residual edits still on the old version of the Page being currently displayed. This is one of the few FA psychology pages and can use a little help or comment from friendly editors. Things have been slowed down in making the DSM-5 transition edits there since not all the editors at that wikipage actually have the DSM-5 in hand. Could you glance at this? BillMoyers (talk) 16:10, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't have the manual and can't help you. I believe I gave the source for my edits. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:21, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup in San Diego?[edit]

Hi SusanLesch, I am Sebastian Wallroth from Berlin, Germany, board member of Wikimedia Deutschland. I am visiting San Diego from February 3rd to February 8th, happily invited to a wedding. I would like to meet Wikipedians. Is there a chance for a Wiki Meetup in San Diego during the first week in February? --Sebastian Wallroth (talk) 15:29, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Greetings, Sebastian. There's a meetup scheduled for February 1 in San Francisco but that's a plane ride away from San Diego. We just had one in July, but you can suggest one at Wikipedia:Meetup/San Diego. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Meetup on January 18[edit]

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In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota meetup in commemoration of Wikipedia Day.

  • Place: Seward Cafe
2129 E Franklin Ave, Minneapolis, MN 55404
  • Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014
  • Time: noon

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page.

This invitation was sent to users who were interested in past events. If you don't want to receive future invitations, you can remove your name from the invite list.innotata 04:14, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Robert Slade for deletion[edit]

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File:Second Sex-20100831.png listed for deletion[edit]

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City limits[edit]

I found this discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities/US_Guideline/Archive_2#Places_outside_city_limits, which is related to our discussion re Minneapolis city vs MSA. Not terribly enlightening, as "depends on consensus" was the advice given. I share this with you in case this is a topic you want to pursue to try to generate more helpful guidance, which could ultimately end up as a clear instruction on WikiProject Cities/US Guideline as to what is / is not included. I imagine this type of conflict appears at least semi-regularly on the various city pages. Barryjjoyce (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Lovin' Spoonful-Nice-1966.ogg[edit]

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Stefan2, I appreciate your efforts to rid Wikipedia of copyrighted materials, but this is getting ridiculous. This clip was removed from the article by a vandal four days ago. I'm sorry but you don't make sense anymore. Please stop and think before nominating files for deletion. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:04, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Please dont be so offensive. Tagging a file as orphaned non-free is not an attempt to rid wikipedia of non-free files. It is standard practice. I have also tagged thousands of files as orphaned non-free. There are a host of reasons that a file can be tagged, vandalism, article deletion, replaced with a different file, better version uploaded, ect. In a lot of those cases doing the background research as a third party is time consuming and ends up just confirming that the file should be deleted. Given the amount of time that is wasted for someone not familiar with the topic (such a process would take 5-30 minutes per image for someone not familiar with the case) and the fact that someone familiar with the topic can do the exact same thing in 5-30 seconds. It is standard practice to just tag the file and let those familiar with the topic sort out if the file should be tagged or not. Werieth (talk) 17:20, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. Usually deletion tags mean an uphill climb. I can't find fault with this one. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
With ORFU its a matter of just re-adding it to the article, and removing the tag. It is considered housekeeping, to routinely tag them. Werieth (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Also, if files are removed from articles because of vandalism, then it is good if the files are tagged as soon as possible as this informs the uploader so that the file can be restored faster. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Good catch, Stefan2, in only four days! -SusanLesch (talk)

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